Topic: Wikileaks:

[idontknow]

The irony! Imagine writing those dozens of lines you wrote last night, and then suggesting I'm trying too hard haha

The irony!

Honestly never imagined I could draw that response from a cricket.

[idontknow]

Where's my pen advice from Yorky?
That's the important thing, it's nearly Christmas, a man wants pens at Christmas.

Sorry Carra, you seem upset.
No idea why, you always win your arguments.
Mostly by haybaling through them till everybody gives up but that's not a criticism, it's a good strategy.
Farmers still use it.

I think there is an allusion to hacking your way through in The Shropshire Lad but unfortunately at the moment my shelves are untidy. Neverthenonetheless my recollection is Housman supporting the supposition of your assertion, if not necessarily asserting the supportability of what you supposed.
And, as I now remember, all in the image of a pink bud on a sticky twig.
Incredibly dangerous, these poety people.

Thankfully I can't remember what you were saying.

[Yorkykopite]

Where's my pen advice from Yorky?
That's the important thing, it's nearly Christmas, a man wants pens at Christmas.

I don't know. Felt tip maybe. Crayons? 

[idontknow]

I don't know. Felt tip maybe. Crayons?

No. Never liked felt tips. Nor crayons.
I was asking a BBC published playwright for advice on the matter.
Waste of time wasn't that.

I'll head off back to https://www.cultpens.com/
then and get a little bag.

And I will send my parents old Parkers
https://www.penhome.co.uk/
which is The Battersea Pen Home

I just want to write, so asked someone clearly cleverer than me a couple of questions that may have helped me better myself at writing.

[SOHC]

https://twitter.com/DanielEllsberg/status/1443309619581882369

@DanielEllsberg

Biden should drop his appeal to extradite Julian Assange and dismiss all charges against him, on the new disclosures that Assange has been subjected to the same governmental crimes that led to the dismissal of my own prosecution half a century ago.

[John C]

There was a short but good discussion about Assange with Ex-FBI deputy Director Frank Figliuzzi on the Daily Beans pod on Thursday. Among other things they emphasised that the prick cannot be regarded as a journalist.

[Yorkykopite]

There was a short but good discussion about Assange with Ex-FBI deputy Director Frank Figliuzzi on the Daily Beans pod on Thursday. Among other things they emphasised that the prick cannot be regarded as a journalist.

That's true. He hadn't read the materials he released into the public domain. I'm sure he had a certain understanding that they would be embarrassing to his enemies (ie western liberal democracies) but he only had a faint idea of what he was leaking. He was the sewer in other words. That's all.

"Not being a journalist", however, should not affect anything in a legal sense. 

[bigbonedrawky]

Lesson to be learned. If you witness war-crimes or anything that might embarrass your government, whether your a journalist or not. keep your f#ck*ng mouth shut...

[John C]

Lesson to be learned. If you witness war-crimes or anything that might embarrass your government, whether your a journalist or not. keep your f#ck*ng mouth shut...

It is possible though that there's a different perspective to this than yours, isn't there? I think most of us would agree with your underlying assertion that we want corrupt governments exposed, but surely you/we aren't insouciant about people lives being put in danger and about the safety of us all?

As figliuzzi said, we, or in particular you, have no idea how long its takes to get a camera in to the room of someone dangerous to society and whether the person that achieved it is still alive because of Assanges' actions.

[bigbonedrawky]

It is possible though that there's a different perspective to this than yours, isn't there? I think most of us would agree with your underlying assertion that we want corrupt governments exposed, but surely you/we aren't insouciant about people lives being put in danger and about the safety of us all?

As figliuzzi said, we, or in particular you, have no idea how long its takes to get a camera in to the room of someone dangerous to society and whether the person that achieved it is still alive because of Assanges' actions.

Of course there are many different perspectives other than my own life is'nt black and white there's many shades of grey and yes we dont know for certain if Manning and Assange's actions led to anyone's death. We do however know for certain, that other peoples actions directly and indirectly caused plenty of deaths. (along with a whole catalogue of nefarious acts carried out with impunity on behalf of so called liberal democracy's. )
Personally I think because of the way he's wired ( for want of a better phrase) the only repercussion's he'd of considered regarding threats to life, would of been his own life. Just because he's paranoid, doesn't mean people aren't out to get him though.
But even if he'd of looked out from behind his shield of truth and considered the risk to other people... Well, like the politicians and various people he rages against, I'm fairly certain he wouldn't feel any responsibility/guilt, nor would he accept any either if there was any deaths.
   
Have you ever read any of those leaks/cables ?
A lot of people I ask that question of  (particularly US citizens ) are too scared to read them...Just in case.

Ps
'Insouciant' thats a good word isn't it but yeah i give a f*ck about 'peoples lives been put in danger and about the safety of all of us' hence my advice.
Be like Iwazaru

[Jiminy Cricket]

No. Never liked felt tips. Nor crayons.
I was asking a BBC published playwright for advice on the matter.
Waste of time wasn't that.

I'll head off back to https://www.cultpens.com/
then and get a little bag.

And I will send my parents old Parkers
https://www.penhome.co.uk/
which is The Battersea Pen Home

I just want to write, so asked someone clearly cleverer than me a couple of questions that may have helped me better myself at writing.

A bit late to this. Have you tried penisland.net? Apparently, they 'specialize in wood'.

[bigbonedrawky]

Just been reading about that sexual predator Jordan McSweeney who sexually assaulted and kicked Zara Aleena to death whilst out on licence... Following his previous 28 convictions for 69 offenses.

This week Paedophile Matthew Thompson has been sentenced to 15 years and 8 months for 10 counts including rape of two girls under the age of 13... Last month he was given bail after admitting his crimes, so he could fly off to the island of Kos for a two week holiday...The Greeks obviously didn't want him there. 

Meanwhile Assange is still locked in Belmarsh in solitary confinement No trial, no bail, but he has had a stroke and caught Covid... Teach him to publish embarrassing documents .

At one time the British Justice System used to be held in high esteem around the World.   

[classycarra]

Just been reading about that sexual predator Jordan McSweeney who sexually assaulted and kicked Zara Aleena to death whilst out on licence... Following his previous 28 convictions for 69 offenses.

This week Paedophile Matthew Thompson has been sentenced to 15 years and 8 months for 10 counts including rape of two girls under the age of 13... Last month he was given bail after admitting his crimes, so he could fly off to the island of Kos for a two week holiday...The Greeks obviously didn't want him there. 

Meanwhile Assange is still locked in Belmarsh in solitary confinement No trial, no bail, but he has had a stroke and caught Covid... Teach him to publish embarrassing documents .

At one time the British Justice System used to be held in high esteem around the World.   

Do you realise Assange isn't in solitary confinement, and are just using it to exaggerate, or did you just make a mistake?

Would be quite an impressive feat to both get married and to catch covid while in extended solitary confinement!

I'm sure you can think of a reason why he has not been granted bail - i feel like it's quite an obvious one, and it's quite consistently applied across the british justice system

[bigbonedrawky]

Do you realise Assange isn't in solitary confinement, and are just using it to exaggerate, or did you just make a mistake?

Would be quite an impressive feat to both get married and to catch covid while in extended solitary confinement!

I'm sure you can think of a reason why he has not been granted bail - i feel like it's quite an obvious one, and it's quite consistently applied across the british justice system

Yes your right he was moved to a medical wing after legal appeals .But given all the complexities and extraordinary issues regarding his case, solitary confinement is a minor issue.

Is it that you don't know how Covid spreads ? or you don't  know that when your in solitary confinement, you do still have access to food drinks legal teams, family visits, guards coming in your cell and escorting you to visits and exercise etc etc ?

I'd guess your talking about jumping bail for which he has served the maximum sentence and as I know people who have previously absconded, whilst on bail and home-leave  but still gotten bail, It cant be that either...
F*ck it I give up, your going to have to tell me ? 

But well done anyway CC for once again missing the point...

"consistently applied across The British Justice System "   

[classycarra]

Yes your right he was moved to a medical wing after legal appeals .But given all the complexities and extraordinary issues regarding his case, solitary confinement is a minor issue.

Yes, he has moved. In 2020, so it was slightly exaggerated I'd say?

Is it that you don't know how Covid spreads ? or you don't  know that when your in solitary confinement, you do still have access to food drinks legal teams, family visits, guards coming in your cell and escorting you to visits and exercise etc etc ?

When I've visited prisoners in segregation, they have a set amount of time to walk outdoors around the yard alone, then one shower a day. Food/books brought to door, opened for a moment. They don't have regular visiting opportunities though, communication with legal team has to be written.

It was more to do with the making up he's in solitary confinement for the full length of the pandemic - that's mostly why i joked about weddings not occurring when you're in solitary confinement either.

I'd guess your talking about jumping bail for which he has served the maximum sentence and as I know people who have previously absconded, whilst on bail and home-leave  but still gotten bail, It cant be that either...

The judge for that particular proceeding cited the Mexican invitation as a particular flight risk, but then there was also previous record. Had these people you knew absconded to another state? Did they have a public invitation to abscond to another state (again) that was known when they were at their bail hearings?

If so, you've got a point, seems a different rule for him and them. If you think it's laughable, can you show me an example of someone in a relatively similar position being granted bail? It should presumably be easy to find one.

Seems pretty uncontroversial to try to avoid a repeat of previous fiasco - and the tens of millions of pounds that it cost the public to entertain his notion - and try to avoid dedicating horrifically limited resources, from an already creaking system that barely functions adequately as it is, to letting him leave on bail. For context, there's a budget of around £2.10 per prisoner per day to feed them - it's scandalous (this isn't his fault, obviously, just bothers me a lot)

[bigbonedrawky]

The judge for that particular proceeding cited the Mexican invitation as a particular flight risk, but then there was also previous record. Had these people you knew absconded to another state? Did they have a public invitation to abscond to another state (again) that was known when they were at their bail hearings?

If so, you've got a point, seems a different rule for him and them. If you think it's laughable, can you show me an example of someone in a relatively similar position being granted bail? It should presumably be easy to find one.

Seems pretty uncontroversial to try to avoid a repeat of previous fiasco - and the tens of millions of pounds that it cost the public to entertain his notion - and try to avoid dedicating horrifically limited resources, from an already creaking system that barely functions adequately as it is, to letting him leave on bail. For context, there's a budget of around £2.10 per prisoner per day to feed them - it's scandalous (this isn't his fault, obviously, just bothers me a lot)

One of the lads i knew fled to Eire even got new ID judge wasnt to know that though he eventually came back and did his time. Comparing Assanges potential to flee with the recent case of the Paedo who was practically invited by a judge to fly off on holiday... a dinghy ride away from an extradition free country . A point which I think you missed.

As for someone in a similar position well no his case is quite uniqe we don't usually prosecute people for publishing anything and neither does the US Even hackers in the UK haven't been extradited to the US previously.

Even you pointing out the cost to the taxpayers highlight how ridiculous and unique this case is .

I don't think he should be in jail and the two people whom I highlighted are treated better than someone who published something on the Internet. Thats the point

I get that you don't like him he comes across as weird ,creepy and strange and if he lived next door to me I doubt I'd get on with him... But all that is based on emotions. The Law should be free of such things and free of political interference but it's now at a point where politics is so intertwined it's become the only way out for him.   

[Yorkykopite]

he comes across as weird ,creepy and strange and if he lived next door to me I doubt I'd get on with him...   

Why not?

[Jiminy Cricket]

Why not?

FFS An actual LOL moment there for me.

[bigbonedrawky]

Why not?

What can I say... Unlike the average person, I find him hard to read and I know he'd find me hard to read, I can be very subtle at times and I haven't always got the patience.

In other news my future Daughter in law has just finished her degree in clinical psychology 

[So… Howard Philips]

What can I say... Unlike the average person, I find him hard to read and I know he'd find me hard to read, I can be very subtle at times and I haven't always got the patience.

In other news my future Daughter in law has just finished her degree in clinical psychology

Plenty of subject for examination on here.

Enough material for a psychology conference.

[bigbonedrawky]

Plenty of subject for examination on here.

Enough material for a psychology conference.

Here lass Analyse this..This is RAWK  it's for football fanatics...Diagnosis: It's full of fanatics, Stay away.   
 
I'm not sure it works like that though, written type of communication, is the worse form of communication for getting to know someone (with the exception of morse code) . I suppose there may be some behavioral aspect to observe and a few indicators to look for but remote diagnosis is frowned upon for good reason...
'On the Internet, Nobody knows you're a dog'...Grrr, woof, woof