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Re: May 2018 Local Elections (*)
« Reply #120 on: May 5, 2018, 11:48:41 am »
I don’t think any side did particularly brilliantly out of these local elections, but labour must ask questions of themselves.

The leader visited Trafford, Dudley, Swindon, Watford, Kensington and Chelsea, Westminster, Wandsworth, Plymouth, Derby, Kirklees, Barnet, Hillingdon, Lincolnshire, Lambeth and Thurrock.

Of those, only Plymouth and Kirklees were won.  This seems a very low hit rate.  Is the targeting working? Are voters being alienated in some way? Is it the case that Corbyn going on the streets doesn’t work of it doesn’t gain coverage on TV?




I can only speak for Trafford, but I didn't hear a thing about May visiting until after she had been. Labour worked really hard round by us, Jayne Dillon who was standing for the council was out and about, they put flyers through the door to give us notice and them her and a load of labour supporters, most of them young people, came around speaking to people and getting their views. Kate Green (our MP) also got involved and again we got flyers. The Tories sent one flyer out and a couple of the blue rinse brigade knocked, I never saw them.

The Tory mob round here are c*nts, they have earmarked the municipal golf course and the playing fields next door for 1500 houses, even though the road infrastructure cannot cope with what we have now, the schools are full, plus they want to demolish a leisure centre and replace it with a basketball place for Manchester Giants in a residential area that cannot cope with the traffic this will generate and involves building on a greenfield site. They spend all the money in Altrincham and Sale and ignore the likes of Stretford as that is where the most Tories live, they tried to get rid of the lollipop men and women, they underfund the schools, the roads are a disgrace, the planning dept make it up as they go along - they cost me a grand in architect fees when they rejected two planning applications we submiited that are legal but they decided they don't like and now the c*nts have changed again and are now allowing the exact extension we wanted and there is a lot of unhappiness with a contract they have with Amey.
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Re: May 2018 Local Elections (*)
« Reply #121 on: May 5, 2018, 01:45:07 pm »
Labour were only about 150 votes short of taking Wandsworth.


I think that is a very simplistic way of looking at the result.

Labour were 5 (4 if the independent votes with them) seats short of taking control of Wandsworth. Their closest candidate was
 
11 votes off in Earlsfield
63 votes off in Nightingale
36 votes off in Shaftesbury
20 votes off in St Marys Park

So yes if Labour won 130 extra votes in those particular wards for those particular candidates they would have taken Wandsworth (assuming the independent votes with them). But to simply state that Labour as a whole was 130 votes short of winning the ward is disingenuous - if any of those 130 votes had been cast in a different ward or even in the 'right' ward but for the 'wrong' Labour candidate they wouldn't count towards effecting the final outcome.

Interestingly, if you total all the votes for the highest scoring Labour/Conservative candidates in each ward in Wandsworth Labour came out on top - I've got 42649 vs 42054. So it kind of fits with the idea of it being a mixed set of results for them - they are clearly performing well and doing a good job of getting out their core vote but are falling short in the marginals that decide the final overall result. Which in turn fits with the concerns that many have had about Corbyn from the beginning.

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Re: May 2018 Local Elections (*)
« Reply #122 on: May 5, 2018, 02:18:12 pm »
I can only speak for Trafford, but I didn't hear a thing about May visiting until after she had been. Labour worked really hard round by us, Jayne Dillon who was standing for the council was out and about, they put flyers through the door to give us notice and them her and a load of labour supporters, most of them young people, came around speaking to people and getting their views. Kate Green (our MP) also got involved and again we got flyers. The Tories sent one flyer out and a couple of the blue rinse brigade knocked, I never saw them.

The Tory mob round here are c*nts, they have earmarked the municipal golf course and the playing fields next door for 1500 houses, even though the road infrastructure cannot cope with what we have now, the schools are full, plus they want to demolish a leisure centre and replace it with a basketball place for Manchester Giants in a residential area that cannot cope with the traffic this will generate and involves building on a greenfield site. They spend all the money in Altrincham and Sale and ignore the likes of Stretford as that is where the most Tories live, they tried to get rid of the lollipop men and women, they underfund the schools, the roads are a disgrace, the planning dept make it up as they go along - they cost me a grand in architect fees when they rejected two planning applications we submiited that are legal but they decided they don't like and now the c*nts have changed again and are now allowing the exact extension we wanted and there is a lot of unhappiness with a contract they have with Amey.
None of this is any surprise.  Yet they still won.

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Re: May 2018 Local Elections (*)
« Reply #123 on: May 5, 2018, 02:28:55 pm »
None of this is any surprise.  Yet they still won.

What went wrong?

The Tories? They didn't. Labour are now the biggest party in Trafford with a 9 seat swing from Tory to Labour, though they don't have a majority.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/c2n5vw1n224t/trafford-metropolitan-borough-council

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Re: May 2018 Local Elections (*)
« Reply #124 on: May 5, 2018, 02:34:42 pm »
Amazing the way the Mail and Telegraph are trumpeting that the votes cast in local elections are in support of Leave means Leave.

What twisted logic produces that result?

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Re: May 2018 Local Elections (*)
« Reply #125 on: May 5, 2018, 03:00:55 pm »
None of this is any surprise.  Yet they still won.

What went wrong?
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« Reply #126 on: May 5, 2018, 03:30:43 pm »
I'm not fan of the current Labour leadership but can't help thinking some of the results reaction has been disingenuous. This Mark Steel tweet sums it up;

I expect the newspapers say "Great night for Manchester United, as Brighton fail to beat them 2-0 as they'd hoped. Questions must be asked of Brighton's leadership after only winning 1-0, with Mourinho delighted at only losing a bit to a team dismissed as hopeless a year ago.."

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Re: May 2018 Local Elections (*)
« Reply #127 on: May 5, 2018, 04:01:09 pm »
Amazing the way the Mail and Telegraph are trumpeting that the votes cast in local elections are in support of Leave means Leave.

What twisted logic produces that result?

I'm sorry. You are expecting logic or sense from the Telegraph or Fail?

Wow. Really? Wow.
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Re: May 2018 Local Elections (*)
« Reply #128 on: May 5, 2018, 04:57:44 pm »
The media saying antisemitism hit the Labour vote in Barnet it went up by nearly 3%.
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Re: May 2018 Local Elections (*)
« Reply #129 on: May 5, 2018, 04:58:21 pm »
The media saying antisemitism hit the Labour vote in Barnet it went up by nearly 3%.
The Jewish vote collapsed though.

Which I’m sure you’ll agree is most concerning.
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Re: May 2018 Local Elections (*)
« Reply #130 on: May 5, 2018, 05:17:21 pm »
I'm sorry. You are expecting logic or sense from the Telegraph or Fail?

Wow. Really? Wow.

I was exploring what type of twisted intellect can come up with that conclusion from a bunch of unrelated facts.

I didn't say that they were either sensible or logical.

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Re: May 2018 Local Elections (*)
« Reply #131 on: May 5, 2018, 05:50:56 pm »
The media saying antisemitism hit the Labour vote in Barnet it went up by nearly 3%.

FPTP. They lost votes in the areas needed to take it from the Tories whilst racking them up in safe seats.
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« Reply #132 on: May 5, 2018, 07:01:00 pm »
They are saying 4000 people were turned away from voting where the Tories tested their voting suppression ideal of ID cards.

Two of the councils were ones Labour had a chance of winning like Swindon.

So the Tories will see that as a job well done and try to bring it in for the next election.
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« Reply #133 on: May 5, 2018, 07:17:44 pm »
I'm not fan of the current Labour leadership but can't help thinking some of the results reaction has been disingenuous. This Mark Steel tweet sums it up;

I expect the newspapers say "Great night for Manchester United, as Brighton fail to beat them 2-0 as they'd hoped. Questions must be asked of Brighton's leadership after only winning 1-0, with Mourinho delighted at only losing a bit to a team dismissed as hopeless a year ago.."


Maybe. But 8 years into a Tory government, fighting on local issues where central government has slashed funding at a local level for provision for even the most rudimentary safety nets, and still being neck and neck with the Tories isn't so good. Best results in 40 years in London is good, just a shame about the rest of the country. There's deeper shifts in voting patterns going on there and I'm not sure Labour is meeting the challenge that's been presented. Can we use Trafford as representative of that? 'Leafy' metropolitan area switching from Tory to Labour and Green? Whereas the Tories reabsorbed the bulk of the Kipper vote in less affluent areas away from the bigger cities. It's kind of weird to see some talk about 'but Corbyn would be PM on this vote share' and stuff like that when it would rely on a Lab/Lib Dem/SNP/PC anti-Tory coalition to keep him as one. Seems a long way from Labour viewing success as having a working majority in Parliament.
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Re: May 2018 Local Elections (*)
« Reply #134 on: May 5, 2018, 07:32:26 pm »
They are saying 4000 people were turned away from voting where the Tories tested their voting suppression ideal of ID cards.

Two of the councils were ones Labour had a chance of winning like Swindon.

So the Tories will see that as a job well done and try to bring it in for the next election.

Who are THEY ?
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« Reply #135 on: May 5, 2018, 08:29:08 pm »
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Re: May 2018 Local Elections (*)
« Reply #136 on: May 5, 2018, 08:40:54 pm »
They are saying 4000 people were turned away from voting where the Tories tested their voting suppression ideal of ID cards.

Two of the councils were ones Labour had a chance of winning like Swindon.

So the Tories will see that as a job well done and try to bring it in for the next election.

Who are they and where are they saying it?

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« Reply #137 on: May 5, 2018, 09:06:11 pm »
Who are they and where are they saying it?

https://inews.co.uk/news/voters-ballot-local-elections-chaotic-id-scheme/

I've also seen it reported in the Guardian's live blog yesterday. Don't think anyone's said it benefitted the Tories, just that it's been a mess.

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Re: May 2018 Local Elections (*)
« Reply #138 on: May 5, 2018, 09:31:03 pm »
https://inews.co.uk/news/voters-ballot-local-elections-chaotic-id-scheme/

I've also seen it reported in the Guardian's live blog yesterday. Don't think anyone's said it benefitted the Tories, just that it's been a mess.
But what does Twitter have to report about the ID scheme affecting one party more that another?
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Re: May 2018 Local Elections (*)
« Reply #139 on: May 5, 2018, 09:47:02 pm »
Maybe. But 8 years into a Tory government, fighting on local issues where central government has slashed funding at a local level for provision for even the most rudimentary safety nets, and still being neck and neck with the Tories isn't so good. Best results in 40 years in London is good, just a shame about the rest of the country. There's deeper shifts in voting patterns going on there and I'm not sure Labour is meeting the challenge that's been presented. Can we use Trafford as representative of that? 'Leafy' metropolitan area switching from Tory to Labour and Green? Whereas the Tories reabsorbed the bulk of the Kipper vote in less affluent areas away from the bigger cities. It's kind of weird to see some talk about 'but Corbyn would be PM on this vote share' and stuff like that when it would rely on a Lab/Lib Dem/SNP/PC anti-Tory coalition to keep him as one. Seems a long way from Labour viewing success as having a working majority in Parliament.
It's still 52% of councillors though. It's still more than all of the other parties put together. It's miles more than the next party. I've been saying that the locals don't really mean that much, and they don't, but there is nothing here for the normal RAWK attack on Corbyn. Nothing.


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Re: May 2018 Local Elections (*)
« Reply #140 on: May 5, 2018, 09:49:25 pm »
It's still 52% of councillors though. It's still more than all of the other parties put together. It's miles more than the next party. I've been saying that the locals don't really mean that much, and they don't, but there is nothing here for the normal RAWK attack on Corbyn. Nothing.


50:50 with you on this one.  I agree they don’t always mean that much... but they do give some indication...

There is an indication (moderately good evidence)that Corbynitus has peaked....


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« Reply #141 on: May 5, 2018, 10:00:34 pm »
It's still 52% of councillors though. It's still more than all of the other parties put together. It's miles more than the next party. I've been saying that the locals don't really mean that much, and they don't, but there is nothing here for the normal RAWK attack on Corbyn. Nothing.

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« Reply #142 on: May 5, 2018, 10:03:32 pm »
But what does Twitter have to report about the ID scheme affecting one party more that another?

Everyone on twitter is moaning that this only impacts on Labour (arguably it disproportionately would to be fair...).

Having worked in, and run, polling stations for a long time now - I'm not against the idea of ID. At the moment people confirm things based on confirmation, with or without the card - knowing someone's name & address is plenty. Bearing in mind I believe bank cards were a valid form of ID it shouldn't actually be a big issue.

That said - in a busy polling station, it becomes almost impossible to actually check them - especially in a queue so it's arguably unworkable. Definitely not worth the levels of hysteria going on though.

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Re: May 2018 Local Elections (*)
« Reply #143 on: May 5, 2018, 10:06:49 pm »
"Labour are neck and neck with the Tories..."
"The normal RAWK attack on Corbyn"

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« Reply #144 on: May 5, 2018, 10:08:58 pm »
I saw a notification from you where the reply didn't exist so can only assume it was deleted before I saw it. I'd have rather seen it myself but such is the way of RAWK. Feel free to call me a blert or some other suitable insult appropriate to your region out loud.

I saw the original reply before it was deleted. You weren't called a blert or insulted in any way. It was just worded slightly different to the reply above.

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« Reply #145 on: May 5, 2018, 10:12:11 pm »
I saw the original reply before it was deleted. You weren't called a blert or insulted in any way. It was just worded slightly different to the reply above.
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« Reply #146 on: May 5, 2018, 10:16:04 pm »
Just had another missing Zeb alert. Hope he's deleting them himself. I'd rather be called a blert than face censorship.

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« Reply #147 on: May 5, 2018, 11:33:08 pm »
https://inews.co.uk/news/voters-ballot-local-elections-chaotic-id-scheme/

I've also seen it reported in the Guardian's live blog yesterday. Don't think anyone's said it benefitted the Tories, just that it's been a mess.

It's an interesting claim so I've done a bit of digging.

There seems to have been a number of slightly alarmist articles running with this but they seem to be using the headline info from Democracy Volunteers.

https://democracyvolunteersdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/voter-id-pilot-areas-special-report-2018.pdf

The bit at the end of that PDF that is probably the most telling as to how to treat these claims for now until more accurate figures are available (if ever).

Of the 1.67% of voters who were excluded we cannot assert the number that later returned, if at all

There's also an interesting bit before that..

Both  the  Electoral  Commission  and  the  Association  of Electoral    Administrators    believed    that    the    local information campaigns, supported and augmented by the press team at the Cabinet Office, had been of sufficiently high   profile   to   ensure   that   local   voters   were   fully conscious  of  the  necessity  to  have  the  relevant  ID,  or information, to ensure that they did not have issues whilst attempting to vote.
This  was  clearly  made  obvious  on  polling  cards  in Swindon   and   Watford   as   well   as   through   public information  programmes,  in  the  local  press  and  at  high footfall  areas  across  the  other  three  pilot  areas.  We  also believe that local political parties, presumably in attempt to maximise their capacity for turnout, and to help voters through their own literature, also advertised the necessity to take the relevant ID for the council areas concerned.
We  were,  therefore,  satisfied  that  the  pilots  were  due  to take  place  in  areas  that  had  received sufficient  information  to  ensure  that  any  of  our observations  were  in  a  context  which  would  reasonably  assess  the  viability  of  the  various options that were being piloted.


It does beg the question as to why some decided to try to vote without the ID requirements when it was so clearly signposted as a requirement in the pilot areas.

Perhaps there was an element of bloodymindedness in some simply in order to make a point.

There's a bit more here.


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Re: May 2018 Local Elections (*)
« Reply #148 on: May 6, 2018, 12:26:42 am »
It's still 52% of councillors though. It's still more than all of the other parties put together. It's miles more than the next party. I've been saying that the locals don't really mean that much, and they don't, but there is nothing here for the normal RAWK attack on Corbyn. Nothing.



It's a pretty meaningless stat though as the 2018 slate of council elections was heavily skewed towards the metropolitan areas where Labour does well, barring a complete disaster Labour were always going to win more seats than the Tories this time out.

These were pretty unexciting results for all the parties.

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« Reply #149 on: May 6, 2018, 01:01:15 am »
I'm not fan of the current Labour leadership but can't help thinking some of the results reaction has been disingenuous. This Mark Steel tweet sums it up;

I expect the newspapers say "Great night for Manchester United, as Brighton fail to beat them 2-0 as they'd hoped. Questions must be asked of Brighton's leadership after only winning 1-0, with Mourinho delighted at only losing a bit to a team dismissed as hopeless a year ago.."

 It has been somewhat disingenuous, you’re right. There have been some shocking incidents involving racist Tories as well, but it doesn’t really get mentioned. And as usual, the fact the right wing media are skewing it against Labour (as they always have done done and always will) means the Labour faithful avoid any serious self-examination. Cos the Mail and the Express and Murdoch and blah blah blah.

 Fact is, these results are nowhere near as good as they should be. Any competent opposition would have made mincemeat of the Tories off the back of the Windrush scandal alone. Throw in the lack of unity, the absolutely shambolic nature of the Brexit talks and Grenfell and you have the most horrible, yawning open goal you’ll ever see. Yet people are still clearly not considering Labour.

 I mean, the flipside of that is that people in cities are not considering the Tories, either. And the result is deadlock. When more and more people in the cities cotton onto Corbyn’s Brexit position though...
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Re: May 2018 Local Elections (*)
« Reply #150 on: May 6, 2018, 04:16:26 am »
Everyone on twitter is moaning that this only impacts on Labour (arguably it disproportionately would to be fair...).

Having worked in, and run, polling stations for a long time now - I'm not against the idea of ID. At the moment people confirm things based on confirmation, with or without the card - knowing someone's name & address is plenty. Bearing in mind I believe bank cards were a valid form of ID it shouldn't actually be a big issue.

That said - in a busy polling station, it becomes almost impossible to actually check them - especially in a queue so it's arguably unworkable. Definitely not worth the levels of hysteria going on though.
Well. Thanks for the reply, but my comment was really aimed at the poster who first reported about the problem of people being turned away from those polling stations. He has a habit of 1) not sourcing the origin of his 'alerts'; and 2) when someone else from here does manage to locate the origin of the 'information', it is almost invariably some random idiot from Twitter.

On the more general point: yes, nearly any ID would/should do for this. It is such a non-problem, all these 'solutions' only serve to disenfranchise (groups of) people.
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Re: May 2018 Local Elections (*)
« Reply #151 on: May 6, 2018, 09:19:28 am »
Maybe. But 8 years into a Tory government, fighting on local issues where central government has slashed funding at a local level for provision for even the most rudimentary safety nets, and still being neck and neck with the Tories isn't so good. Best results in 40 years in London is good, just a shame about the rest of the country. There's deeper shifts in voting patterns going on there and I'm not sure Labour is meeting the challenge that's been presented. Can we use Trafford as representative of that? 'Leafy' metropolitan area switching from Tory to Labour and Green? Whereas the Tories reabsorbed the bulk of the Kipper vote in less affluent areas away from the bigger cities. It's kind of weird to see some talk about 'but Corbyn would be PM on this vote share' and stuff like that when it would rely on a Lab/Lib Dem/SNP/PC anti-Tory coalition to keep him as one. Seems a long way from Labour viewing success as having a working majority in Parliament.

It has been somewhat disingenuous, you’re right. There have been some shocking incidents involving racist Tories as well, but it doesn’t really get mentioned. And as usual, the fact the right wing media are skewing it against Labour (as they always have done done and always will) means the Labour faithful avoid any serious self-examination. Cos the Mail and the Express and Murdoch and blah blah blah.

 Fact is, these results are nowhere near as good as they should be. Any competent opposition would have made mincemeat of the Tories off the back of the Windrush scandal alone. Throw in the lack of unity, the absolutely shambolic nature of the Brexit talks and Grenfell and you have the most horrible, yawning open goal you’ll ever see. Yet people are still clearly not considering Labour.

 I mean, the flipside of that is that people in cities are not considering the Tories, either. And the result is deadlock. When more and more people in the cities cotton onto Corbyn’s Brexit position though...

I largely agree with both of you. It's the tone of the coverage that's irritated me, and not just from the tabloids but the BBC as well. Labour guests are getting grilled and demanded to justify every seat not won, whereas Conservatives are getting a free pass as the result was not as terrible as it could have been. It's an issue of expectation management but a lot of journalists should really know better and communicate the results with less skew.

Having said that, I personally can't see myself voting for a combo or Corbyn PM, McDonnell Chancellor and Abbot Home Secretary in a general election. I know there are many other left-wing voters like me who are similarly put off. Of course, that potential wasn't put to the test in local elections. Something has to change if Labour can hope to win a majority in a general election.

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Re: May 2018 Local Elections (*)
« Reply #152 on: May 6, 2018, 06:27:47 pm »
Twitter has no standing in this topic. Random tweets are not allowed. The actions of complete and utter arseholes of whatever political persuasion is regrettable, but it has no place in this topic.

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Re: May 2018 Local Elections (*)
« Reply #153 on: May 6, 2018, 10:31:39 pm »
This is what my local Labour Party have posted on social media:

"The final results of the 2018 Local Elections are in. And the results show an utter shambles....
But not for The Labour Party.
Strong, grassroots led campaigns up and down the country have resulted in a great amount of new councillors for Labour.
The Tories are in disarray.
Don't let anyone tell you otherwise."



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Re: May 2018 Local Elections (*)
« Reply #154 on: May 6, 2018, 10:36:12 pm »
This is what my local Labour Party have posted on social media:

"The final results of the 2018 Local Elections are in. And the results show an utter shambles....
But not for The Labour Party.
Strong, grassroots led campaigns up and down the country have resulted in a great amount of new councillors for Labour.
The Tories are in disarray.
Don't let anyone tell you otherwise."

That sounds like it was a resounding victory but, in reality, more like a score draw.

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Re: May 2018 Local Elections (*)
« Reply #155 on: May 6, 2018, 10:55:47 pm »

That sounds like it was a resounding victory but, in reality, more like a score draw.

Looks more like a resounding victory than a score draw to me:

It's still 52% of councillors though. It's still more than all of the other parties put together. It's miles more than the next party. I've been saying that the locals don't really mean that much, and they don't, but there is nothing here for the normal RAWK attack on Corbyn. Nothing.



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Re: May 2018 Local Elections (*)
« Reply #156 on: May 6, 2018, 11:03:04 pm »
Looks more like a resounding victory than a score draw to me:

But does that pie chart show the increase in councillors, in which case it's a resounding Labour victory, or does it simply show Labour's share of the vote, without taking into account the starting position?


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Re: May 2018 Local Elections (*)
« Reply #157 on: May 6, 2018, 11:07:17 pm »
But does that pie chart show the increase in councillors, in which case it's a resounding Labour victory, or does it simply show Labour's share of the vote, without taking into account the starting position?
It shows the number of actual seats after voting.

This is the actual gains or losses

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Re: May 2018 Local Elections (*)
« Reply #158 on: May 7, 2018, 07:35:02 am »
Ok, so let's look at this in a bit of context.

Here's the seat gains relative to where in the country. Note Labour doing very well in making gains in London. Not so much elsewhere in country.



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In terms of seats gained, and ignoring the context of which seats are being contested, this is a better performance than losing 18 (Corbyn in 2016) but about as good as Kinnock gaining 76 in 1988. [edit: was looking at earlier results, changed from 'not as good' to 'as good']. Of course, we're a long way short of Blair's 1800 odd in 1995. But so it goes. This is a bad metric to use for lots of reasons. But if anyone is really keen, fill your boots with 95.

Now it could be that Labour have so many councillors that they couldn't win more than 70 odd. That would, however, be a curious read of where things are generally at.



And would also need to ignore that the Tories made gains outside of London.

Against that, it's not actually a terrible result - if you look at it as a projected share of the vote (to smooth away the local election cycle where Labour are defending roughly 52% of the seats contested), then it's about par for a Labour government which has just won an election.



Of course, Labour didn't win the last election so make of that what you will.

What we have is a hugely unpopular government which after 8 years, a whole list of scandals and paraded nastiness, is on its way out with 35% of the vote. And opposing them is a wildly popular mass movement which is absolutely on course for winning the next general election by being the largest party. Coincidentally also on 35% of the vote.

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Re: May 2018 Local Elections (*)
« Reply #159 on: May 7, 2018, 08:39:12 am »
Labour gained seats, Tories lost seats, despite all the racist c*nts, I mean UKIPers, fleeing their ship like the rats they are.

How can that be painted as anything other than a positive?

Oh that's right, to continue the narrative that Labour is in disarray and the Tories are the safe steady party to steer us through bullshit Brexit.

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