Topic: Owlez, Owlez, Owlez - The Roy Hodgson Appreciation Thread.

[Sheer Magnetism]

Do you think the press would blow smoke up the Owl Face C#n’t arse if he was foreign?

If he was foreign his reputation would be somewhere around Felix Magath level.

[Kekule]

Where is that c*nt Barclay now? Stopped reading that after the 2nd paragraph. Nauseating stuff

Last seen defending someone blacking up at the darts as just being bit of a laugh, and definitely not racist. I think the gigs have finally dried up completely and he was trying out for chief sports writer at Breitbart are something.

[Charlie Adams fried egg]

If he was foreign his reputation would be somewhere around Felix Magath level.

Apart from Magaths domestic win rate is around 47%.
Hodgson's win rate in domestic club football is i=under 40%
He really is Mr 13th, Mr 1.2ppg, Mr one in 3.

[KissThisGuy]

Last seen defending someone blacking up at the darts as just being bit of a laugh, and definitely not racist. I think the gigs have finally dried up completely and he was trying out for chief sports writer at Breitbart are something.

I had the misfortune of catching him on TV before the Manchester Derby earlier in the season. He was convinced that United and City were equals, said something along the lines that there'd be no more than 6 points between them either way at the end of the season. I remember thinking has this clown not watched any of the games this season.

[mattD]

If he was foreign his reputation would be somewhere around Felix Magath level.

In England I presume? Because unlike that useless fool, Magath has actually won things in his career.

[jooneyisdagod]

You should read some of Duncan Castles stuff on Mourinho. I have seen less fluffing in actual fluff pieces.

I've seen less dick sucking in blowjobs than a Duncan Castles piece on Mourinho.

[Sheer Magnetism]

In England I presume? Because unlike that useless fool, Magath has actually won things in his career.

Of course. But it's the British/foreign thing.

[BabuYagu]

Apart from Magaths domestic win rate is around 47%.
Hodgson's win rate in domestic club football is i=under 40%
He really is Mr 13th, Mr 1.2ppg, Mr one in 3.

I actually cannot think of any coaches in the top leagues outside of England that appoint people like Hodgson with that sort of record. Coaches like that are phased out and replaced by up and coming guys with a fresh approach, new ideas and ambitions. I cannot think of anything like him in the other top leagues whose ambition is to be less shite than at least 3 other managers. "Relegation Specialists". People whose football knowledge is still stuck in WWII era tactics.

EDIT:- It happens a lot in Brazil though. It's fucking shocking over here to be honest.

[PhaseOfPlay]

In terms of win percentages, and given that they usually don't account for draws, 33% is decidedly average. Anything over 50% is quite good, and anything over 55% is top class.

So while his 46% win percentage over his career is decent, it also includes a 100% record for the England U21s, and his bigger win percentages are at the front end of his career.

His win percentage for Palace, though, is f*cking appalling. 26%. You'd get fired from a youth team for that!

[BabuYagu]

In terms of win percentages, and given that they usually don't account for draws, 33% is decidedly average. Anything over 50% is quite good, and anything over 55% is top class.

So while his 46% win percentage over his career is decent, it also includes a 100% record for the England U21s, and his bigger win percentages are at the front end of his career.

His win percentage for Palace, though, is f*cking appalling. 26%. You'd get fired from a youth team for that!

His domestic club football record is around 40% though. I just cannot imagine someone building a top flight career on that. Any other country in the world they would either slide down the divisions looking to work trading off their name as a higher division coach - or end up taking supporting roles to a better manager *cough, Shakespeare*

[Charlie Adams fried egg]

I suppose that was why I stripped out the England and early career Scandanavian numbers. I wanted to compare his and Magath's records in their domestic leagues.

Didn't focus on his Palace percentage though - 28% wow. But I think the whole Palace thing is a great case study in Hodgism. By that I mean the art of self promotion whilst being distinctly average. You ask anyone with a passing interest in football about Hodgson at Palace, and the response will be along the lines of "He's done a great job" or "He's turned them around". Palace fans in general love him.
But what's he actually done? 1.17 ppg, that's what he's done and he's getting lauded for it. projecting 44 points over a season.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42626314

This shambles from McNulty talks of "How Hodgson turned around Crystal Palace and his reputation".
Literally is one of the most misused words in English, but when you take over a team with no wins and no goals, it literally is impossible to do any worse. Post Hodge, Palace have seen the return of Zaha and a couple of other injuries clear up as well as having the benefit of Sakho at the back. That alone would have been enough to see some sort of bounce. Any manager, and I mean any manager could have gone in and suggested abandoning De Boers ways and reverting to type. That and the availability of key players would have arguably achieved the same result.

So next time anyone within earshot says that Hodgson has "done well" - do us a favour and put them straight.
He's yet again done well for himself, but that's about it.
 

[RJH]

In terms of win percentages, and given that they usually don't account for draws, 33% is decidedly average. Anything over 50% is quite good, and anything over 55% is top class.

So while his 46% win percentage over his career is decent, it also includes a 100% record for the England U21s, and his bigger win percentages are at the front end of his career.

His win percentage for Palace, though, is f*cking appalling. 26%. You'd get fired from a youth team for that!

His overall % is also skewed by his England record - 58.9%.
Taken on it's own, it looks good, but even McClaren got 50%.
Ericsson got 59.7%, Capello got 66.7% and Southgate currently has 58.3%

It's also interesting to break it down:


Qualifiers:  P 20     W 16      80%
Friendlies:  P 25     W 14      56%
Finals:        P 11     W 3        27%

Basically, as soon as he runs into teams around England's level, his win rate drops off.

[BabuYagu]

His overall % is also skewed by his England record - 58.9%.
Taken on it's own, it looks good, but even McClaren got 50%.
Ericsson got 59.7%, Capello got 66.7% and Southgate currently has 58.3%

It's also interesting to break it down:


Qualifiers:  P 20     W 16      80%
Friendlies:  P 25     W 14      56%
Finals:        P 11     W 3        27%

Basically, as soon as he runs into teams around England's level, his win rate drops off.

I suspect you could send out the England squad without a manager and they would win 3/4 of the games they have in the qualifiers against sides who made up of semi-pro level players.

[John C]

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[newterp]

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what a c*nt. Roy I mean.

[Redsnappa]

what a c*nt. Roy I mean.

There is nothing to like about him at all, no redeeming features at all. Makes me skin crawl.

[Max_powers]

His overall % is also skewed by his England record - 58.9%.
Taken on it's own, it looks good, but even McClaren got 50%.
Ericsson got 59.7%, Capello got 66.7% and Southgate currently has 58.3%

It's also interesting to break it down:


Qualifiers:  P 20     W 16      80%
Friendlies:  P 25     W 14      56%
Finals:        P 11     W 3        27%

Basically, as soon as he runs into teams around England's level, his win rate drops off.

Not even that in 2014 world cup he finished bottom of a group that had Costa Rica and Uruguay in it. No offense to those teams but Costa Rica's hardly had a world class player, most of their players played in MLS or leagues of similar quality.

Uruguay besides Suarez and Cavani had very little quality.

In contrast, he was managing a team with Sturridge, Sterling, a rejuvenated Gerrard all coming off their best season. Plus he had great squad options too. It's not even a question of quality, he brings a shite negative mentality.

[12C]

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Utopia.

[Dench57]

c*nt

[12C]

 

c*nt

 

[rawcusk8]

We sacked Rafa and got this f*cking imbecile of a man in. Man, those were some dark days.

[cissesbeard]

never seen that interview before.
regardless of being a shit manager hes just and awful awful human being

[Hazell]

We sacked Rafa and got this f*cking imbecile of a man in. Man, those were some dark days.

The Unbearable Shiteness of Being (managed by Roy Hodgson).

[Charlie Adams fried egg]

Glad to see more people seeing Hodgson's true colours.

Mr 1 in 3 average bastard.

[arthur sarnoff]

I think you are both forgetting Patrick Barclays' love letter before the 2014 World Cup

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/patrick-barclay-good-luck-old-friend-the-road-from-malmo-to-manaus-is-long-9507362.html

I'm sure Patrick 'Paddy' 'Knows fuckall' 'Dickhead' Barclay wrote an even worse  piece, one where he claimed Hodgson had mastered international football.  It was sickening.  And written before Roy shit the bed as England manager.  Anyone remember it?  Was definitely discussed on here.

[BabuYagu]

I'm sure Patrick 'Paddy' 'Knows fuckall' 'Dickhead' Barclay wrote an even worse  piece, one where he claimed Hodgson had mastered international football.  It was sickening.  And written before Roy shit the bed as England manager.  Anyone remember it?  Was definitely discussed on here.

It is hard to decide what is better journalism. Is it a well written load of shite by Patrick Barclay? I flush things down the pan that display more understanding of football than that imbecile. Or is it something on spielverlagerung.de where the knowledge of football far exceeds the command of English in all instances?

It seems like a lot of these people get away with story telling. Painting you a picture. Trying to get you to feel something with what they have written. It is a great talent for sure for any writer to have. But utterly irrelevant if you have absolutely no understanding of the subject matter.

Perhaps Barclay would be better served writing about something he does understand instead? A story about the struggles of a man to stay relevant in an industry he seems increasingly out of touch with. Angry that younger, smarter men outshine him. If he does so, he may also realised he has stumbled upon the reason he has a great affinity for Roy Hodgson which would make a great article. Hopefully his final one.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

I hate this man so much, the fact that he was our manager was killing me slowly each day he was here, sucked the living life out of everything.

And I haven't forgotten or forgiven Carragher's and Gerrard's endorsement of him

[Bullan]

c*nt

*mike drop*

[Qston]

We sacked Rafa and got this f*cking imbecile of a man in. Man, those were some dark days.

I have tried my best to completely wipe from memory him being our manager. It was utterly bizarre. That post derby interview, his various rantings, shocking self belief and the very fact he replaced Rafa is just beyond comprehension.

[Hazell]

Perhaps Barclay would be better served writing about something he does understand instead?

Black and White Minstrel Show?

[Buck Pete]

Wonder if Roy is the most hated man ever to have been part of our club?

H&G probably trump him but not by much

Honourable mention to El Hadji Diouf

[BabuYagu]

Wonder if Roy is the most hated man ever to have been part of our club?

H&G probably trump him but not by much

Honourable mention to El Hadji Diouf

There are no excuses made for H&G or Diouf. Everybody from fans, journalists, pundits - the whole lot sees the problem and accept they had no place being here.

The same is not true for Roy, which is what seems to still bother me to this day. That if we fans had just given him a chance, if he had different owners backing him, if Rafa had left him a better squad, etc

It is a little better now because a lot of people saw with England that he is a fucking clueless twat with worms in his head. But still today you will find a lot of people who trot out some, if not all, of the above. Roy can do no wrong. Loveable Roy.

[Keita Success]

His domestic club football record is around 40% though. I just cannot imagine someone building a top flight career on that. Any other country in the world they would either slide down the divisions looking to work trading off their name as a higher division coach - or end up taking supporting roles to a better manager *cough, Shakespeare*

I struggle with this. I worked it out a while ago and if you take away his managements in leagues like Norway and Sweden and focus on the top leagues - which isn't an unfair focus - his win percentage is sub-30.

[BabuYagu]

I struggle with this. I worked it out a while ago and if you take away his managements in leagues like Norway and Sweden and focus on the top leagues - which isn't an unfair focus - his win percentage is sub-30.

This is just laughably bad.

I wonder why none of these managers ever get a chance at the big clubs though?

[Qston]

Wonder if Roy is the most hated man ever to have been part of our club?

H&G probably trump him but not by much

Honourable mention to El Hadji Diouf

two words that should rarely be in the same sentence. I am sure I heard recently that he was thinking of running for high office as well

[Dench57]

There are no excuses made for H&G or Diouf. Everybody from fans, journalists, pundits - the whole lot sees the problem and accept they had no place being here.

The same is not true for Roy, which is what seems to still bother me to this day. That if we fans had just given him a chance, if he had different owners backing him, if Rafa had left him a better squad, etc

It is a little better now because a lot of people saw with England that he is a fucking clueless twat with worms in his head. But still today you will find a lot of people who trot out some, if not all, of the above. Roy can do no wrong. Loveable Roy.

Yeah I think thats what pisses me off most about Loveable Uncle Roy. My actual uncle (a Spurs fan) keeps saying to me "Look at the job he's doing at Palace, unbelievable. You guys should've given him more time". Unsurprisingly these are all people who didn't sit through the 90 mins of SHIT he served up for us every week and his disgusting attitude towards the club, the players, the fans. I do think the England gig showed other fans what we were saying all along.

Fucking owl-faced snivelling c*nt, an utterly repellent human being, I hope bad things happen to him and nobody else but him.

[thegoodfella]

We sacked Rafa and got this f*cking imbecile of a man in. Man, those were some dark days.

Horrible days. And to think Rafa had one rough and somewhat sub par season for plenty in media, aided by some at the club, to pile on and build a narrative to hound him out. What was it, 'Liverpool needing a safe pair of hands', 'an experienced football (English) gent to restore the pride' etc. What a load of bullshit that was, it was bad then, and worse in hindsight.

[Hazell]

Horrible days. And to think Rafa had one rough and somewhat sub par season for plenty in media, aided by some at the club, to pile on and build a narrative to hound him out. What was it, 'Liverpool needing a safe pair of hands', 'an experienced football (English) gent to restore the pride' etc. What a load of bullshit that was, it was bad then, and worse in hindsight.

'Steady the ship' was another one.

[thegoodfella]

'Steady the ship' was another one.

I am hoping the ship steadying gobshite gets relegated this season.

[Kekule]

Horrible days. And to think Rafa had one rough and somewhat sub par season for plenty in media, aided by some at the club, to pile on and build a narrative to hound him out. What was it, 'Liverpool needing a safe pair of hands', 'an experienced football (English) gent to restore the pride' etc. What a load of bullshit that was, it was bad then, and worse in hindsight.

'Steady the ship' was another one.

See also “Will put an arm round the players.” 

...proceeds to slag half the squad off with public comments about
“B teams”,
“bunch of also-rans”
“he’s not performed to the level I would have expected of him”
“he’s not a naturally confident character”
and so on.