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Re: Fat Orange Nixon
« Reply #40880 on: May 22, 2018, 07:29:21 pm »
The constitutional crisis is here
By Eugene Robinson 
16 hrs ago


Stop waiting for the constitutional crisis that President Trump is sure to provoke. It’s here.

On Sunday, via Twitter, Trump demanded that the Justice Department concoct a transparently political investigation, with the aim of smearing veteran professionals at Justice and the FBI and also throwing mud at the previous administration. Trump’s only rational goal is casting doubt on the probe by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III, which appears to be closing in.

Trump’s power play is a gross misuse of his presidential authority and a dangerous departure from long-standing norms. Strongmen such as Russia’s Vladimir Putin use their justice systems to punish enemies and deflect attention from their own crimes. Presidents of the United States do not — or did not, until Sunday’s tweet:

“I hereby demand, and will do so officially tomorrow, that the Department of Justice look into whether or not the FBI/DOJ infiltrated or surveilled the Trump Campaign for Political Purposes — and if any such demands or requests were made by people within the Obama Administration!”

Rather than push back and defend the rule of law, Justice tried to mollify the president by at least appearing to give him what he wants. The Republican leadership in Congress has been silent as a mouse. This is how uncrossable lines are crossed.

The pretext Trump seized on is the revelation that a longtime FBI and CIA informant, described as a retired college professor , made contact with three Trump campaign associates before the election as part of the FBI’s initial investigation into Russian meddling.

With the full-throated backing of right-wing media, Trump has described this person as a “spy” who was “implanted, for political purposes, into my campaign for president.” This claim is completely unsupported by the facts as we know them. Trump wants you to believe a lie.

The informant was not embedded or implanted or otherwise inserted into the campaign. He was asked to contact several campaign figures whose names had already surfaced in the FBI’s counterintelligence probe. It would have been an appalling dereliction of duty not to take a look at Trump advisers with Russia ties, such as Carter Page and George Papadopoulos, when the outlines of a Russian campaign to influence the election were emerging.

Trump claims this is the nation’s “all time biggest political scandal” because, he alleges, Justice Department officials and the FBI used a “spy” to try to “frame” him and his campaign, in an effort to boost his opponent Hillary Clinton’s chance of winning the election. This conspiracy theory has so many holes in it that it’s hard to know where to begin. But let’s start with the glaringly obvious: If the aim was to make Trump lose, why wasn’t all the known information about the Trump campaign’s Russia connections leaked before the election, when it might have had some impact?

The truth appears to be precisely the opposite of what Trump says, which is not uncommon. The record suggests that Justice and the FBI were so uncomfortable investigating a presidential campaign in the weeks and months before an election that they tiptoed around promising lines of inquiry rather than appear to be taking a side. The FBI director at the time was James B. Comey, and while we heard plenty about Clinton’s emails before the vote, we had no idea that such a mature investigation of the Trump campaign was underway.

Now that the Mueller probe has bored into Trump’s inner circle — and federal authorities have raided the homes and office of his personal attorney, Michael Cohen — the president appears to be in a panic. The question is whether he sees this “spy” nonsense as a way to discredit Mueller’s eventual findings, or as a pretext for trying to end the investigation with a bloody purge akin to Richard Nixon’s “Saturday Night Massacre.”

The Justice Department answered Trump’s tweeted demand by announcing that an existing investigation by its inspector general will now “include determining whether there was any impropriety or political motivation” by the FBI. Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein may hope that is enough to avoid a showdown. I fear he is wrong.

None of this is normal or acceptable. One of the bedrock principles of our system of government is that no one is above the law, not even the president. But a gutless Congress has refused, so far, to protect this sacred inheritance.

Trump is determined to use the Justice Department and the FBI to punish those he sees as political enemies. This is a crisis, and it will get worse.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/the-constitutional-crisis-is-here/ar-AAxBHHM?ocid=spartanntp&ffid=gz
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« Reply #40881 on: May 22, 2018, 07:40:46 pm »
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Re: Fat Orange Nixon
« Reply #40882 on: May 22, 2018, 07:58:56 pm »
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Clapper: Ryan and McConnell didn't care about election interference as long as Trump won
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Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper accuses Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) in a new book of not caring about foreign interference in the 2016 election as long as President Trump won.

In his new book, "Facts and Fears, Hard Truths from a Life in Intelligence," released on Tuesday, Clapper hammers the GOP leaders for not taking a harder stance on Russian meddling.

Clapper, who was former President Obama's senior intelligence adviser for more than six years, writes that Ryan and McConnell were approached by the Obama administration in 2016 to sign a joint statement condemning foreign interference, according to an excerpt published by National Public Radio.

But the Republican leaders rejected the offer, saying they would not endorse a "bipartisan statement that might hurt their nominee for president."

"I was disappointed but not surprised. It seemed they had decided by then that they didn't care who their nominee was, how he got elected or what effects having a foreign power influence our election would have on the nation, as long as they won," Clapper writes.

Clapper notes that he and Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson did eventually release a joint statement about Russian interference - but it was quickly overshadowed by the release of the "Access Hollywood" tape that showed Trump speaking crudely about grabbing women without their consent.

"I saw that our efforts ended up having all the impact of another raindrop in a storm at sea," Clapper writes.

Trump has called special counsel Robert Mueller's probe into Russian meddling in the 2016 election a "witch hunt," and he called on Sunday for the Department of Justice to investigate whether the FBI surveilled his campaign.

Clapper said Monday that Trump's demand was a "disturbing assault" on the department's independence.

"I think when the president - this president or any president - tries to use the Department of Justice as a kind of private investigatory body, that's not good for the country," Clapper said on CNN's "New Day."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/clapper-ryan-and-mcconnell-didnt-care-about-election-interference-as-long-as-trump-won/ar-AAxE4wn?ocid=spartanntp&ffid=gz


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Re: Fat Orange Nixon
« Reply #40883 on: May 22, 2018, 08:07:45 pm »
Hannity is Trump's Goebbels.

This article makes Trump look a dotard to America.

I call him Haw-Haw Hannity, but the Fox/Trump circle jerk might make him closer to Goebbels.
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Re: Fat Orange Nixon
« Reply #40884 on: May 22, 2018, 08:16:00 pm »
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Harley-Davidson took its tax cut, closed a factory, and rewarded shareholders
Emily Stewart 
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In September 2017, House Speaker Paul Ryan traveled to a Harley-Davidson plant in Menomonee Falls, Wisconsin, to tout the Republican tax bill, which President Trump would sign later that year. “Tax reform can put American manufacturers and American companies like Harley-Davidson on a much better footing to compete in the global economy and keep jobs here in America,” Ryan told workers and company leaders.

Four months later and 500 miles away in Kansas City, Missouri, 800 workers at a Harley-Davidson factory were told they would lose their jobs when the plant closed its doors and shifted operations to a facility in York, Pennsylvania — a net loss of 350 jobs. Workers and union representatives say they didn’t see it coming.

Just days later, the company announced a dividend increase and a stock buyback plan to repurchase 15 million of its shares, valued at about $696 million.

It’s a pattern that’s played out over and over since the tax cuts passed — companies profit, shareholders reap the benefits, and workers get left out. Corporate stock buybacks hit a record $178 billion in the first three months of 2018; average hourly earnings for American workers are up 67 cents over the past year. Harley-Davidson is an American symbol, and President Trump has trotted it out as an example of business success. But as it’s getting its tax cut, it’s outsourcing jobs and paying shareholders.

The tax cuts aren’t saving jobs at Harley-Davidson

It wasn’t just Ryan who made promises to Harley-Davidson. Trump in February 2017 met with Harley-Davidson executives and union representatives at the White House. He thanked the company for building in America and predicted its operations would grow.

“I think you’re going to even expand — I know your business is now doing very well, and there’s a lot of spirit right now in the country that you weren’t having so much in the last number of months that you have right now,” Trump said. He added that impending changes to “taxing policies,” health care, tariffs, and trade would only make things better.

The tax cut, at least, came through. The Republican tax bill, which slashes the corporate tax rate to 21 percent from 35 percent, is giving Harley sizable tax savings this year. The company estimates its effective tax rate — the amount it pays — will be 23.5 percent to 25 percent this year, about 10 percentage points lower than it would have been without the tax bill.

That’s a significant savings: The company makes about $800 million to $1 billion in pre-tax profit, according to Seth Woolf, an analyst at North Coast Research.

Just over a month after Trump signed the tax cuts into law, the Kansas City closure was announced. Workers found out when they arrived at the plant that morning: They were kept in the hallway, informed that the factory would be shut, and sent home for the rest of the day without pay. The union had no advance warning, saidGreg Tate, a staff representative for the United Steelworkers District 11, which represents about 30 percent of the Harley-Davidson plant’s workers. (Harley-Davidson and the two unions that represent most of its production employees last year terminated their 22-year partnership agreement.)

“We really never had any belief that they were going to shut the Kansas City facility down,” Tate said. The announcement was “the first anyone found out about it.”

The company will cut 800 jobs at the Kansas City plant when it closes by the fall of 2019 and says it expects to add 450 full-time, casual, and contractor positions in its York facility — a net loss of 350 jobs.

The median household income in York is much lower than in Kansas City, and Tate said that hiring a casual workforce there — temporary workers brought in to boost production during peak season — will be easier and cheaper for Harley.

“This is a decision we did not take lightly,” Harley said in a statement. “The Kansas City plant has been assembling Harley-Davidson motorcycles since 1997, and our employees will leave a great legacy of quality, price, and manufacturing leadership. We are grateful to them and the Kansas City community for their many years of support and their service to our dealers and our riders.”

Harley-Davidson is also expanding overseas

Meanwhile, Harley-Davidson is opening up a plant in Thailand, where it plans to start production later this year. (The company also owns and operates facilities in India and Brazil, and it is closing a facility in Australia.) The company says the Thailand plant isn’t meant to outsource jobs but toboost its international business and avoid tax and tariff burdens. Trump’s proposed steel tariffs could pose a threat to Harley and add an estimated $30 million to its costs, and the European Union has threatened to impose a tariff on the company’s motorcycles in retaliation.

Union leaders, however, have suggested that the Thailand plant opening and the Kansas City plant closing are tied together.

“Part of my job is being moved to York, but the other part is going to Bangkok,” Richard Pence, a machinist at the Kansas City plant, told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel earlier this month when in Washington as part of a meeting between House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and members of the Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers, which represents about 70 percent of the Harley-Davidson workers being laid off.

The Kansas City plant closing will cost Harley up to $200 million through 2019, according to Bloomberg’s estimates, and should result in annual savings of $65 million to $75 million after 2020.

Tate, from the steelworkers union, suggested the tax savings Harley reaped from the GOP bill might have actually freed up the cash for it to go ahead with the US restructuring plan now. “They have the capital now to move Kansas City, to shut it down,” he said. “All of that money really came from the tax cut plan, so it kind of had the opposite effect of what it was supposed to do.”

Woolf, the analyst, said he wasn’t sure that was the case. “I think what this reflects is that they’re finally coming to grips with the fact that the US market is contracting,” he said. Harley-Davidson has been struggling in recent years — sales have declined as its core demographic, baby boomers, ages and as millennials shy away from big bikes. The decline has been particularly acute in the US: Harley-Davidson’s motorcycle sales declined 8.5 percent in the United States in 2017 and 3.9 percent abroad.

The tax cuts let Harley reward shareholders

Meanwhile, since the tax cut, the company is managing to reward shareholders. Just days after revealing the decision to shutter the Kansas City plant, the company announced a dividend increase and a stock buyback plan to repurchase 15 million of its shares, valued at about $696 million.

On a call discussing the company’s first-quarter results in April, chief financial officer John Olin indicated that shareholder primacy will continue. “Beyond what we invest in the business, we will return and continue to return all excess cash to our shareholders,” he said. The company this year shut the media out of its annual shareholders meeting.

Harley-Davidson is one of a string of companies to announce major share buybacks since the tax bill was passed in December. Apple in early May said it would buy back $100 billion of its shares. The tech conglomerate Cisco in February said it would put an additional $25 billion toward a stock buyback. Troubled megabank Wells Fargo in January announced about $22 billion in buybacks. Pepsi announced a $15 billion buyback, Amgen and AbbVie $10 billion, and Google’s parent company Alphabet $8.6 billion.

Harley-Davidson isn’t the only company to shutter a US plant since the tax cuts were passed in December. The same day Kansas City workers found out their plant was closing, about 900 workers at an Electrolux plant in St. Cloud, Minnesota, found out the facility they were working in would be shutting down too. The Swedish home appliance company will consolidate its freezer production in South Carolina, where Joe Baratta, a representative for International Association of Machinists (IAM) Local 623, told me starting wages are lower.

He described a recent trip to Home Depot. “I see products that we were building here last year that say ‘Made in China’ with the Frigidaire name on it, they’re already in stores,” he said. “It’s a tough pill to swallow to go into every store in town looking at a product and saying, ‘There’s 150 jobs we lost. There’s another 200 jobs we lost.’”

Since Harley-Davidson announced its Kansas City plant closure in January, Trump — who made a big deal of saving jobs at a Carrier plant in Indiana in 2016 — hasn’t had anything to say about it, even when asked. IAM President Robert Martinez Jr. sent a letter to the White House asking him to save the Kansas City facility in March.

“For decades, hard-working Machinists Union members have devoted their lives to making high-quality, American-made products for Harley,” he wrote, later adding, “America’s working men and women deserve better than being thrown out onto the street. Our nation deserves better.”

An IAM spokesperson said Martinez met with White House trade adviser Peter Navarro on April 11 about the Harley closure, and he promised to follow up with the company’s CEO. The union had not received an official response from the president.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/harley-davidson-took-its-tax-cut-closed-a-factory-and-rewarded-shareholders/ar-AAxD6bK?li=BBnbfcN&ocid=mailsignout
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Re: Fat Orange Nixon
« Reply #40885 on: May 22, 2018, 10:07:16 pm »

Harley-Davidson took its tax cut, closed a factory, and rewarded shareholders

In September 2017 ...

... from the president.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/harley-davidson-took-its-tax-cut-closed-a-factory-and-rewarded-shareholders/ar-AAxD6bK?li=BBnbfcN&ocid=mailsignout

Seriously. I lost the ability to be rational about hardcore Republicans and their supporter base.
If they were this naive to see that the tax cuts WILL NOT provide jobs and fuel growth, but rather would fill up the pockets of the investors and shareholders, they deserve this. Every bit of this.

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Re: Fat Orange Nixon
« Reply #40886 on: May 22, 2018, 10:47:23 pm »
Michael Cohen’s Business Partner Agrees to Cooperate as Part of Plea Deal

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A significant business partner of Michael D. Cohen, President Trump’s personal lawyer, has quietly agreed to cooperate with the government as a potential witness, a development that could be used as leverage to pressure Mr. Cohen to work with the special counsel examining Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.

Under the agreement, the partner, Evgeny A. Freidman, a Russian immigrant who is known as the Taxi King, will avoid jail time, and will assist government prosecutors in state or federal investigations, according to a person briefed on the matter.

Mr. Cohen’s conduct was initially examined by Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel investigating the 2016 election that led to Mr. Trump’s victory, and then referred to the United States attorney’s office in Manhattan. Last month, federal agents carried out search warrants at Mr. Cohen’s home, his office and a hotel room where he was staying, seeking documents related to his business associates and accountants.

Mr. Trump’s lawyers have been resigned to the strong possibility that the investigation of Mr. Cohen’s businesses could lead him to cooperate with federal prosecutors.

That likelihood could become greater with a business partner of Mr. Cohen’s cooperating with law enforcement.

Mr. Freidman has been Mr. Cohen’s partner in the taxi business for years, managing cabs for him even after New York City regulators barred Mr. Freidman last year from continuing to manage medallions.

Mr. Freidman, who was disbarred earlier this month, had been accused of failing to pay more than $5 million in taxes and faced four counts of criminal tax fraud and one of grand larceny — all B felonies. Each carries a maximum prison sentence of up to 25 years in prison.

Instead, he appeared in court in Albany on Tuesday and pleaded guilty to a single count of evading only $50,000 worth of taxes; he faces five years of probation if he fulfills the terms of his agreement, the judge, Patrick Lynch of Albany County court, said during the roughly 20-minute proceeding.
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“Do you understand the nature of the benefit your attorneys have accomplished on your behalf?” the judge asked Mr. Freidman during the proceeding on Tuesday.

“I greatly understand that and appreciate it,” Mr. Freidman replied.

After Mr. Freidman’s guilty plea, his lawyer, Patrick J. Egan of Fox Rothschild, declined to comment. But earlier this year, he said his client “considers Michael a very good friend and a great client.”
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Re: Fat Orange Nixon
« Reply #40887 on: May 22, 2018, 11:09:29 pm »
Michael Cohen’s Business Partner Agrees to Cooperate as Part of Plea Deal


If the authorities are offering people the chance to walk away almost scot free from potentially 100 years in prison, makes you wonder just what Cohen's going to have to tell prosecutors to make this go away.
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« Reply #40888 on: May 23, 2018, 12:24:09 am »
US to ease crisis-era Dodd-Frank banking rules

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A move to relax US banking rules approved after the financial crisis has cleared its final stage in Congress.

The House of Representatives voted 258-159 to approve the measure, sending it to the president to sign into law.

The bill, which won some bipartisan support, reduces the oversight requirements for banks with less than $250bn in assets, among other measures.

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The legislation leaves only about a dozen financial institutions automatically subject to the strictest rules.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44218808

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Re: Fat Orange Nixon
« Reply #40889 on: May 23, 2018, 12:27:20 am »
Trump faces backlash over possible $1.3bn ZTE fine

US President Donald Trump has said he may lift a crippling export ban on Chinese technology firm ZTE and levy a $1.3bn fine instead.

His willingness to strike a deal has stirred controversy in the US, where the company has raised alarms related to national security.

Mr Trump said the current penalty, which led ZTE to halt major operations, has hurt US firms that sell to it.

Democratic Senator Chuck Schumer called the proposal "a wet noodle".

He said it was a punishment "in name only" and warned the president against taking a softer stance on ZTE in exchange for promises of increased Chinese purchases of US goods.

He said: "Putting our national security at risk for minor trade concessions is the very definition of short-sighted. And frankly, it would be a capitulation on the part of the Trump administration."

Negotiations about the alternative punishment are ongoing and come amid broader trade negotiations with China. The president also wants China's help to curb North Korea and its nuclear ambitions.

Mr Trump said there was no deal yet but at the request of Chinese President Xi Jinping he is revisiting last month's ban, which blocks US companies from exporting to ZTE.

He later added he is not satisfied with the current state of trade talks with China.

"I think that they're a start, but we need something," he said.

The export ban is punishment for the ZTE's failure to comply with a settlement reached over its violations of sanctions against North Korea and Iran.

The president outlined the possible alternative while speaking to reporters in Washington on Tuesday at a meeting with the president of South Korea.

In addition to the fine, he envisions new management, a new board of directors, and requirements for significant purchases of US products, he said.

Going easy?

In a show of disapproval, the Senate Banking Committee voted overwhelmingly to amend a piece of legislation to prevent the president from being able to change sanctions unilaterally.

Maryland Senator Chris Van Hollen, who sponsored the measure, said it was "deeply troubling" that the president was "fighting to protect jobs in China" tied to a company that has been flagged as a security risk by US defence officials.

Congress is also considering other measures to block changes.

Mr Trump on Tuesday addressed his critics, who come from both parties, noting that his administration had imposed the ban initially.

He said: "For those who say, 'Oh gee, maybe the president is getting a little bit easy ... It was this administration that closed it."

He added that he also had to think about the US companies that do business with ZTE, which employs about 80,000 people and relies on parts from US tech companies to make its smart phones and telecommunications equipment.

"Don't think we didn't hear from them," he said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44201760

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Re: Fat Orange Nixon
« Reply #40890 on: May 23, 2018, 12:54:05 am »
US to ease crisis-era Dodd-Frank banking rules

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44218808

Aye nobody is going to notice because of bigger fires but this is one that is gonna need firefighting again soon

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Re: Fat Orange Nixon
« Reply #40891 on: May 23, 2018, 12:57:28 am »
The WH is now saying a NK summit is in jeopardy.

Maybe Rocket Man didn't like Pence's Trumplike statement that if he didn't agree to denuke he'd end up like Gadafy.

Trump:  He'll be very happy and the NK people will be very rich.

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« Reply #40892 on: May 23, 2018, 04:36:55 am »
Seriously. I lost the ability to be rational about hardcore Republicans and their supporter base.
If they were this naive to see that the tax cuts WILL NOT provide jobs and fuel growth, but rather would fill up the pockets of the investors and shareholders, they deserve this. Every bit of this.

They’ve been swallowing trickle down economics since 1980. It’s a multi-generational drug trip.
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« Reply #40893 on: May 23, 2018, 04:46:30 am »
Aye nobody is going to notice because of bigger fires but this is one that is gonna need firefighting again soon

Speaking of which the Michael B Jordan Michael Shannon Fahrenheit 451 is brilliant

Because self regulation worked a charm in 2008 I guess? Big banks are keeping up their friendship payments I see.
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Re: Fat Orange Nixon
« Reply #40894 on: May 23, 2018, 04:47:06 am »
Seriously. I lost the ability to be rational about hardcore Republicans and their supporter base.
If they were this naive to see that the tax cuts WILL NOT provide jobs and fuel growth, but rather would fill up the pockets of the investors and shareholders, they deserve this. Every bit of this.

Yep. The only positive in this news, for me, is it is hitting the very people who would have voted for the big orange c*nt. But then every time you think people will learn from a situation, a sense of "well if it could happen to them"... they go and do something even more stupid than before. I fully expect them to elect someone who changed his name by deed poll to "Tax Cut Ted" in the near future. Then "Zero Taxes Zed" a decade after that.

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Re: Fat Orange Nixon
« Reply #40895 on: May 23, 2018, 07:25:38 am »
Considering the belligerent, confrontational way the US has just treated Iran, a thinly veiled threat of war when none was necessary, it's only fair that the rest of the world  consider ways to remove the nuclear capability of the unilaterally acting, unstable USA....... :P

Seriously though, I'm sure there's an underlying assumption here that once Trump gets impeached / Republicans lose their majority things will improve but in this time period, in this very short term, the USA is more volatile, belligerent than  N Korea, Russia, Iran. Yet it has the biggest nuclear capability of all. It should be a big question now that it's been shown the political system is crap and very exploitable.

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Re: Fat Orange Nixon
« Reply #40896 on: May 23, 2018, 07:47:17 am »
Oh, the US definitely needs to radically overhaul its political system and institutions. I would have said this before Trump, but it is now imperative. The problem, though, is the incredible self-belief in their superiority - that their constitution is practically god-given (some probably think it is). The phrase 'American exceptionalism' is something of bugbear for me. Every country has its own mythologies, strengths and weaknesses, but something like this should be a wake-up call for any nation. I am pessimistic about the outcome. I fear that the GOP will not do anything, and there may not be enough will from the general populace to make them pay the price of their inaction.

For impeachment to occur, it must first must pass with a simple majority in the House. It then requires a two-thirds majority in the Senate. Even if the Democrats take control of both, they certainly will not get the kind of majority to ensure impeachment. And before then, we have to get through Trump's ever-increasing dangerous breaches of the Constitution, law, presidential powers, established norms and simple decency. I am appalled by the GOP. I never expected much of them, but their behaviour is traitorous.
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Re: Fat Orange Nixon
« Reply #40897 on: May 23, 2018, 07:57:02 am »
Oh, the US definitely needs to radically overhaul its political system and institutions. I would have said this before Trump, but it is now imperative. The problem, though, is the incredible self-belief in their superiority - that their constitution is practically god-given (some probably think it is). The phrase 'American exceptionalism' is something of bugbear for me. Every country has its own mythologies, strengths and weaknesses, but something like this should be a wake-up call for any nation. I am pessimistic about the outcome. I fear that the GOP will not do anything, and there may not be enough will from the general populace to make them pay the price of their inaction.

For impeachment to occur, it must first must pass with a simple majority in the House. It then requires a two-thirds majority in the Senate. Even if the Democrats take control of both, they certainly will not get the kind of majority to ensure impeachment. And before then, we have to get through Trump's ever-increasing dangerous breaches of the Constitution, law, presidential powers, established norms and simple decency. I am appalled by the GOP. I never expected much of them, but their behaviour is traitorous.

They definitely round on people suggesting things from other countries. I didnt follow the primaries much but i saw one bit when Sanders was talking about why is it countries in Europe get 20-25 days off and employers in the USA give less.

He then got attacked for even suggesting why the USA would take lessons from lesser economies like Germany, Great Britain of France and that criticism was from Democrats.

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« Reply #40898 on: May 23, 2018, 08:58:25 am »
They definitely round on people suggesting things from other countries.

It's ironic that Trump wants refugees from Norway but their work-life balance model can get to fuck and is inferior to the "American Way". God some of them are blinded beyond belief.

Oh, the US definitely needs to radically overhaul its political system and institutions. I would have said this before Trump, but it is now imperative. The problem, though, is the incredible self-belief in their superiority - that their constitution is practically god-given (some probably think it is). The phrase 'American exceptionalism' is something of bugbear for me.

I was having a discussion about this with a neighbour who was working in the 80s and 90s with the government to reform the social security in Germany. And he mentioned something similar.

A lot of the problems seems to stems up from their over-inflated sense of super-ego. The machismatic alpha male policing attitude in all forms of their everyday life. Rather than look at practicality, affordability and sensibility, they seem to use their ego to get things done their way. The undesiring need to be the best of everything, whilst suggesting that others are shite compared to the American way is itself a direct result of this school of thought. It is all just a show of their super-ego and their way of saying "We are the best. We don't have any problems". But ignoring the existence of a problem is not going to make the problem disappear. And this seems to be missing from their American dream. The idea that the country would rather spend 600 billion dollars on their defence than spend a 100 billion on education, social security, healthcare and infrastructure shows where their priorities lie.

Their love for gas-guzzling automobiles, guns and warfare and the space race of the 50s and 60s. The unyielding attitude to be the first at everything, to be the best in everything and USA all the way has been their way of life for a long long time. Hell, even politics is no different. I am sure you watched the DNC and RNC of 2016 presidential election. Tim Kaine, Rudy Guiliani Cory Brooker, Reince Priebus and Joe Biden come up at the top of my mind. Even Hillary Clinton at some parts. Look at their speeches and notice the similarity. Their speeches were doused with this bloated sense of ego that American way is the only way. It is the best way. And that everyone else's is just a pile of horse shit.
 
I once went cycling through some grasslands near an American airbase in Germany. Parked over there was three Ford F150s and about 20-22 people were BBQing. And on each (yes each!) of the pickups, were two huge Star-spangled banners each in the size of a carpet - at least 2-3 meters in width and flying about 4 meters from the ground. Some song was blaring through the cars, which were running. Like some rock party. With BBQ. In the middle of nowhere. The engines might have been running for just 10 minutes. Or it might have been kept running the entire time. But this is what I witnessed. It was surreal to see how their patriotism was defined in their way of life.

Funny thing is, this is just an image. But hardly debatable.


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« Reply #40899 on: May 23, 2018, 08:59:49 am »
Seriously. I lost the ability to be rational about hardcore Republicans and their supporter base.
If they were this naive to see that the tax cuts WILL NOT provide jobs and fuel growth, but rather would fill up the pockets of the investors and shareholders, they deserve this. Every bit of this.
One of the worst things that continually amaze me about situtations like this, is how those Trump supporters who have lost jobs and livelihoods directly from Trump's policies will remain fervent Trump supporters. There was a news video about crab and seafood sellers, but the interviewees still said they would vote for Trump again.

It's bizarre.

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Re: Fat Orange Nixon
« Reply #40900 on: May 23, 2018, 09:17:42 am »
Oh, the US definitely needs to radically overhaul its political system and institutions. I would have said this before Trump, but it is now imperative. The problem, though, is the incredible self-belief in their superiority - that their constitution is practically god-given (some probably think it is). The phrase 'American exceptionalism' is something of bugbear for me. Every country has its own mythologies, strengths and weaknesses, but something like this should be a wake-up call for any nation. I am pessimistic about the outcome. I fear that the GOP will not do anything, and there may not be enough will from the general populace to make them pay the price of their inaction.

For impeachment to occur, it must first must pass with a simple majority in the House. It then requires a two-thirds majority in the Senate. Even if the Democrats take control of both, they certainly will not get the kind of majority to ensure impeachment. And before then, we have to get through Trump's ever-increasing dangerous breaches of the Constitution, law, presidential powers, established norms and simple decency. I am appalled by the GOP. I never expected much of them, but their behaviour is traitorous.

Americans can't be wrong.  About anything.  Especially economics, welfare, health and guns.  Their system is perfect.  I think only dictatorships perpetuate such ridiculous self propaganda; I fancy most European nations have been around long enough to know this sort of talk is bollocks.

Re impeachment, you are correct - the Democrats can almost certainly force an impeachment trial but they will need GOP support for a conviction.  I have some slim hope that, post electoral massacre, some GOP senators will have had enough of Trump; I have an equally slim hope that Trump could incriminate himself so badly under oath that other GOP senators recognise political suicide when they see it if they continue to back him.

As has been alluded to before, the founding fathers anticipated an autocratic president; they did not anticipate a complicit party (and also some media).  In any case, impeachment probably wouldn't even start until the fall of 2019 and this is going to come to a head long before that.  Rosenstein is under intense pressure now; he's being attacked and undermined and a number of people were surprised he survived the weekend. 

If it were possible I'd imagine he's currently on the phone to Mueller saying, "Bob, we have to run with this now.  Just go with what you've got."
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Re: Fat Orange Nixon
« Reply #40901 on: May 23, 2018, 10:16:00 am »
Theres a coup d'état happening over on Reditt with Donald Glover fans phasing out Donald J Trump.  ;D

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« Reply #40902 on: May 23, 2018, 10:20:21 am »
Theres a coup d'état happening over on Reditt with Donald Glover fans phasing out Donald J Trump.  ;D

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Unfortunately, that's very much a secondary Trump sub. The real one is much bigger and therefore immune to those sort of japes.

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Re: Fat Orange Nixon
« Reply #40903 on: May 23, 2018, 10:30:18 am »
http://amp.nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/05/theory-playboy-model-had-affair-with-trump-not-broidy.html?__twitter_impression=true

Speculation, but very interesting speculation. It makes more sense than the Cohen / Broidy version.

This bit caught my interest:

The size of the payment to Bechard — $1.6 million — is also a little weird. Broidy was a largely anonymous person in late 2017, when the NDA was signed. His biggest claim to fame at the time was a felony conviction for corruption. Why would a man in his position need to pay $1.6 million to keep Bechard quiet about an affair to which the public at large would be completely indifferent?

Still as you say, it's only speculation.
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« Reply #40904 on: May 23, 2018, 10:30:49 am »
Reviewing some of the MSNBC reports I'd say Trump's latest push for an investigation has been spurred by Cohen's business partner flipping, which has increased the likelihood of Cohen himself flipping. 

I think Trump's in a race to get Mueller shut down before Cohen flips.
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Re: Fat Orange Nixon
« Reply #40905 on: May 23, 2018, 10:47:35 am »
One of the worst things that continually amaze me about situtations like this, is how those Trump supporters who have lost jobs and livelihoods directly from Trump's policies will remain fervent Trump supporters. There was a news video about crab and seafood sellers, but the interviewees still said they would vote for Trump again.

It's bizarre.

Sounds like the Scottish Fishing Federation members who came out in support of the Tory Brexit, even though most of their catch is sold to Spain and Portugal  ::) . They were promised that the Fisheries HQ would be moved to Peterhead, and despite Scotland landing 75% of UK catch, the Tories moved it to Grimbsy or Hull or somesuch. The US are not alone in electing representatives who will screw them over and never engage with them outside a vetted electoral event.
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« Reply #40906 on: May 23, 2018, 10:49:34 am »
This bit caught my interest:

The size of the payment to Bechard — $1.6 million — is also a little weird. Broidy was a largely anonymous person in late 2017, when the NDA was signed. His biggest claim to fame at the time was a felony conviction for corruption. Why would a man in his position need to pay $1.6 million to keep Bechard quiet about an affair to which the public at large would be completely indifferent?

Still as you say, it's only speculation.

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« Reply #40907 on: May 23, 2018, 11:14:17 am »
Finally read Pompeo's message to Iran in full. Crikey, blatantly trying to push them into a corner and provoke war with a rugged 3rd world powerhouse. John Bolton doff of the cap.....

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« Reply #40908 on: May 23, 2018, 12:25:24 pm »
One of the worst things that continually amaze me about situtations like this, is how those Trump supporters who have lost jobs and livelihoods directly from Trump's policies will remain fervent Trump supporters. There was a news video about crab and seafood sellers, but the interviewees still said they would vote for Trump again.

It's bizarre.

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« Reply #40909 on: May 23, 2018, 12:31:42 pm »
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« Reply #40910 on: May 23, 2018, 12:46:17 pm »
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« Reply #40911 on: May 23, 2018, 12:51:21 pm »
US seeks to lift ban on luring bears with doughnuts in Alaska

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The US has proposed a plan to reverse Obama-era rules barring certain hunting methods in Alaska, including the use of bait to lure and kill bears.

The change would allow hunters to use spotlights to shoot bear cubs inside their dens and hunt black bears with dogs on some Alaskan federal lands.

The agency proposed the changes on Monday, and members of the public have until 23 July to comment on the plan.

Some environmental groups have called the proposal "inhumane".

Alaska allowed the use of bait to lure bears for the first time in 2005 in a bid to boost populations of large animals, such as moose, which are preyed on by bears.

This was overturned by the National Park Service (NPS) under the Obama administration in 2015 to avoid altering natural predator-prey dynamics and out of concerns for public safety.

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US Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke's proposal would remove the rules concerning hunting predators to "align sport hunting regulations in national preserves in Alaska with State of Alaska regulations".

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« Reply #40912 on: May 23, 2018, 04:23:41 pm »
(Sloppy) Steve Bannon on Newsnight talks Trump, racism and the Mueller investigation

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In an exclusive Newsnight interview, Mr Bannon praised special counsel Robert Mueller as an "honourable guy" and said he should not be fired by Trump - but that his deputy Rod Rosenstein should go.

Defending Mr Trump and his campaign, he said he believed Martin Luther King "would be proud of" the president for creating jobs for black and Hispanic people.

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« Reply #40913 on: May 23, 2018, 04:26:02 pm »
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« Reply #40914 on: May 23, 2018, 06:04:42 pm »
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Donald Trump's personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, received a secret payment of at least $400,000 (£300,000) to fix talks between the Ukrainian president and President Trump, according to sources in Kiev close to those involved.

The payment was arranged by intermediaries acting for Ukraine's leader, Petro Poroshenko, the sources said, though Mr Cohen was not registered as a representative of Ukraine as required by US law.

The meeting at the White House was last June.

Shortly after the Ukrainian president returned home, his country's anti-corruption agency stopped its investigation into Trump's former campaign manager, Paul Manafort.

A high-ranking Ukrainian intelligence officer in Mr Poroshenko's administration described what happened before the visit to the White House.

Mr Cohen was brought in, he said, because Ukraine's registered lobbyists and embassy in Washington DC could get Mr Poroshenko little more than a brief photo-op with Mr Trump. Mr Poroshenko needed something that could be portrayed as "talks".

This senior official's account is as follows - Mr Poroshenko decided to establish a back channel to Mr Trump. The task was given to a former aide, who asked a loyal Ukrainian MP for help.

He in turn used personal contacts in a Jewish charity in New York state, Chabad of Port Washington. This eventually led to Michael Cohen, the president's lawyer and trusted fixer. Mr Cohen was paid $400,000.

There is no suggestion that Mr Trump knew about the payment.

A second source in Kiev gave the same details, except that the total paid to Mr Cohen was $600,000.

There was also support for the account from a lawyer in the US who has uncovered details of Mr Cohen's finances, Michael Avenatti. He represents a porn actress, Stormy Daniels, in legal action against President Trump.

Avenatti said that Suspicious Activity Reports filed by Mr Cohen's bank to the US Treasury showed he had received money from "Ukrainian interests".

We spoke to Mr Cohen and to the two Ukrainians said to have opened the backchannel for their president - all three denied the story.

The senior intelligence official in Kiev also said Mr Cohen had been helped by Felix Sater, a convicted former mobster who was once Trump's business partner. Mr Sater's lawyer, too, denied the allegations. The Ukrainian president's office refused to comment.

As was widely reported last June, Mr Poroshenko was still guessing at how much time he would have with Mr Trump even as he flew to Washington.

The White House schedule said only that Mr Poroshenko would "drop in" to the Oval Office while Mr Trump was having staff meetings.

That had been agreed through official channels. Mr Cohen's fee was for getting Mr Poroshenko more than just an embarrassingly brief few minutes of small talk and a handshake, the senior official said. But negotiations continued until the early hours of the day of the visit.

The Ukrainian side were angry, the official went on, because Mr Cohen had taken "hundreds of thousands" of dollars from them for something it seemed he could not deliver.

Right up until the last moment, the Ukrainian leader was uncertain if he would avoid humiliation.

"Poroshenko's inner circle were shocked by how dirty this whole arrangement [with Cohen] was."

Mr Poroshenko was desperate to meet Mr Trump because of what had happened in the US presidential election campaign.

In August 2016, the New York Times published a document that appeared to show Mr Trump's campaign manager, Paul Manafort, getting millions of dollars from pro-Russian interests in Ukraine.

It was a page of the so-called "black ledger" belonging to the Party of the Regions, the pro-Russian party that employed Mr Manafort when he ran a political consultancy in Ukraine.

The page appeared to have come from Ukraine's National Anti Corruption Bureau, which was investigating him. Mr Manafort had to resign.

Several sources in Ukraine said Mr Poroshenko authorised the leak, believing that Hillary Clinton was certain to win the presidency.

If so, this was a disastrous mistake - Ukraine had backed the losing candidate in the US election. Regardless of how the leak came about, it hurt Mr Trump, the eventual winner.

Ukraine was (and remains) at war with Russia and Russian-backed separatists and could not afford to make an enemy of the new US president.

So Mr Poroshenko appeared relieved as he beamed and paid tribute to Mr Trump in the Oval Office.

He boasted that he had seen the new president before Russia's leader, Vladimir Putin. He called it a "substantial visit". He held a triumphant news conference in front of the north portico of the White House.

A week after Mr Poroshenko returned home to Kiev, Ukraine's National Anti Corruption Bureau announced that it was no longer investigating Mr Manafort.

At the time, an official there explained to me that Mr Manafort had not signed the "black ledger" acknowledging receipt of the money. And anyway, he went on, Mr Manafort was American and the law allowed the bureau only to investigate Ukrainians.

Ukraine did not terminate the Manafort inquiry altogether. The file was handed from the Anti Corruption Bureau to the state prosecutor's office. It languished there.

Last week in Kiev, the prosecutor in charge of the case, Serhiy Horbatyuk, told me: "There was never a direct order to stop the Manafort inquiry but from the way our investigation has progressed, it's clear that our superiors are trying to create obstacles."

None of our sources say that Mr Trump used the Oval Office meeting to ask Mr Poroshenko to kill the Manafort investigation. But if there was a back channel, did Michael Cohen use it to tell the Ukrainians what was expected of them?

Perhaps he didn't need to.

One source in Kiev said Mr Poroshenko had given Trump "a gift" - making sure that Ukraine would find no more evidence to give the US inquiry into whether the Trump campaign "colluded" with Russia.

Mr Poroshenko knew that to do otherwise, another source said, "would be like spitting in Trump's face".

A report by a member of a Western country's intelligence community says Mr Poroshenko's team believe they have established a "non-aggression pact" with Mr Trump.

Drawing on "senior, well placed" intelligence sources in Kiev, the report sets out this sequence of events…

As soon as Trump was elected, the report says, Ukraine stopped "proactively" investigating Manafort.

Liaison with the US government was moved away from the National Anti Corruption Bureau to a senior aide in the presidential administration.

The report states that Poroshenko returned from Washington and, in August or September, 2017, decided to completely end cooperation with the US agencies investigating Manafort. He did not give an order to implement this decision until November 2017.

The order became known to the US government after scheduled visits by Poroshenko's senior aide to see Mueller and the CIA director, in November and December, were cancelled.

The report says that an "element of the understanding" between Poroshenko and Trump was that Ukraine agreed to import US coal and signed a $1bn contract for American-made diesel trains.

Ukraine has its own locomotive maker and its own coalmines. These deals can only be understood as Poroshenko buying American support, the reports say.

In March, the Trump administration announced the symbolically important sale of 210 Javelin anti-tank missiles to Ukraine.

Even under President Obama, the US did not sell arms to Ukraine. A well known figure in Kiev, now retired from his old job in government, told me he didn't like what had happened with the Manafort inquiry; however, Ukraine was fighting for its survival.

"I want the rule of law," he said, "but I am a patriot."

He said he had kept in touch with his former subordinates and had heard many of the details about a "Cohen backchannel".

He said that if Ukrainians came to believe that a corrupt deal had been done over Mr Manafort: "This thing might destroy support for America."

Ukraine's domestic intelligence service, the SBU, did their own - secret - report on Mr Manafort.

It found that there was not one "black ledger" but three and that Mr Manafort had been paid millions of dollars more from Ukraine than had been made public. (Mr Manafort has denied any wrongdoing.)

This information was given to me by a very senior police officer who saw the report. He said it had not been passed to the Americans.


The US reporting in this piece was done by Suzanne Kianpour



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« Reply #40915 on: May 23, 2018, 06:30:57 pm »
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The American football league said players who do not stand for the Star-Spangled Banner can stay in the locker room until it has been performed.

The NFL also vowed to "impose appropriate discipline on league personnel who do not stand and show respect for the flag and the Anthem."​

Players said the protests were against policy brutality of African Americans.

"It was unfortunate that on-field protests created a false perception among many that thousands of NFL players were unpatriotic," said NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell in a statement accompanying Wednesday's new policy.

"This is not and was never the case. This season, all league and team personnel shall stand and show respect for the flag and the Anthem.

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The statement comes a day after NFL teams pledged $90m towards social justice initiatives, under an agreement reached with all 32 teams in the league.

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« Reply #40916 on: May 23, 2018, 06:51:51 pm »
NFL clubs to be fined if players kneel during anthem

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« Reply #40917 on: May 23, 2018, 06:54:39 pm »


I'm glad the snowflakes will have their safe space to virtue-signal to their hearts content. #maga

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Re: Fat Orange Nixon
« Reply #40918 on: May 23, 2018, 06:59:05 pm »
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The NFL Players Association (NFLPA) issued a statement following the policy announcement saying they were not consulted.

"NFL players have shown their patriotism through their social activism, their community service, in support of our military and law enforcement and yes, through their protests to raise awareness about the issues they care about," the statement reads.

"The vote by NFL club CEOs today contradicts the statements made to our player leadership by Commissioner Roger Goodell and the Chairman of the NFL's Management Council John Mara about the principles, values and patriotism of our League."

The union said it will be reviewing the policy and will challenge aspects that are inconsistent with the collective bargaining agreement.

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Re: Fat Orange Nixon
« Reply #40919 on: May 23, 2018, 07:00:15 pm »
Cohen is in real serious trouble then.......


The only way he will avoid serious prison time is by flipping...  will he take one for the Donald? 

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