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Re: EDL leader - 13 months for contempt.
« Reply #120 on: June 5, 2018, 10:00:32 pm »
Mate sorry but the bolded bit seems to contradict the rest of your post. Unless I am reading it wrong.

I think by that he meant underclass kids in care. That they were white is immaterial to that, the authorities were predisposed to not believe a thing that they said.

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« Reply #121 on: June 5, 2018, 10:06:41 pm »
I think by that he meant underclass kids in care. That they were white is immaterial to that, the authorities were predisposed to not believe a thing that they said.

Yeah, it's not their race, it's their class.

I don't think i would have gone with underclass but it's fair to assume working class doesn't quite nail it either.

It's their position in society, namely that they are excluded and on the outside of it.
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Re: EDL leader - 13 months for contempt.
« Reply #122 on: June 5, 2018, 10:16:18 pm »
There may well be cases where authorities have been negligent in the care shown to children who come from the underclass and/or are already in care. 
However there is no doubt that authorities were reluctant to take the case due to the religion/ethnicity of the perps.

Even the judge in the trial in the Rochdale case acknowledged it was a race issue. 
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« Reply #123 on: June 5, 2018, 10:43:10 pm »
There may well be cases where authorities have been negligent in the care shown to children who come from the underclass and/or are already in care. 

Yes, the Rochdale case that you speak of.

Rochdale child abuse case: exploited girls faced 'absolute disrespect'

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2012/nov/20/rochdale-child-abuse-case

Rochdale grooming scandal: Children were being raped so why did no one believe them?

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/girls-rochdale-grooming-scandal-case-13051982

I believe you're saying that but for the offenders being Muslim, the case would have been treated differently. I don't agree, in that it would still have been an improper investigation, as the attitude towards the victims displayed a hurdle to justice.
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Re: EDL leader - 13 months for contempt.
« Reply #124 on: June 5, 2018, 10:53:34 pm »
Yes, the Rochdale case that you speak of.


I could also post a long list of articles with quotes from people involved in reviewing these cases that the fear of being racist  was a massive stumbling block.
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« Reply #125 on: June 5, 2018, 11:04:39 pm »
I could also post a long list of articles with quotes from people involved in reviewing these cases that the fear of being racist  was a massive stumbling block.

If you want to, go for it.

But, at present I'm not even debating it, what I am debating is the belief that if the offenders hadn't been Muslim, the case would have moved along swimmingly and justice would have been served swiftly.

It wouldn't, as a key stumbling block was the attitude towards the victims or child prostitutes as some were known.
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« Reply #126 on: June 5, 2018, 11:25:41 pm »
If you want to, go for it.

But, at present I'm not even debating it, what I am debating is the belief that if the offenders hadn't been Muslim, the case would have moved along swimmingly and justice would have been served swiftly.

It wouldn't, as a key stumbling block was the attitude towards the victims or child prostitutes as some were known.

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Ann Cryer, an MP from 1997 until 2010, told The Sunday Telegraph how she had feared being called “racist” when, in 2002, she exposed a sex-abuse scandal involving Pakistani men in her constituency of Keighley, West Yorkshire.

A “politically correct Left just saw it as racism”, she said.

At the same time, Simon Danczuk, the Labour MP for Rochdale, revealed that even now some of his colleagues disapproved of his efforts to uncover child abuse, because some were “obsessing about multiculturalism”.

There my well be instances where police thought a group of working class girls from broken homes are either liars, but form  social services point of view race played its part.
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« Reply #127 on: June 6, 2018, 12:35:50 am »
Conclusion: There isn’t much publicly available information on [the colour of sexual abusers]. The data we do have shows a large majority of those convicted of sexual offences (no matter the age of the victim) are white.

https://fullfact.org/crime/what-do-we-know-about-ethnicity-people-involved-sexual-offences-against-children/

There are and have always been grooming gangs and grooming individuals of every colour. There appears to have been a particular problem with the Rochdale gang in that there was a reluctance to act because of a fear of being seen as racist.

But the bottom line is that paedophilia and abuse is not race specific. The most likely profile of someone sexually abusing children is white, middle-aged and a relative or friend of the victim.

Tommy Robinson has no interest whatsoever on the victims of sexual abuse. He couldn't give a shit. All he cares about is the colour and religion of a subsection of all paedophiles and child abusers.

Excellently put Alan.

I do find it odd, that they are classed as Muslims, simply for having a Muslim name and/or of <foreign>heritage. They might be for all I know, however there's nothing Islamic in their despicable actions, even ignoring the drinking and drugs aspect.

Maybe the negativity fits the 'them Muslims' narrative, afterall, I wouldn't assume John or Mark, who's parents are strict Catholics to automatically be classed as a Christian. Carolann Gallon, the white female convicted as part of the Newcastle trial was only referred by name.

Then you had these sick men, without any mention of race, religion or live broadcast from Moron Robinson

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-32413502
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« Reply #128 on: June 7, 2018, 11:10:46 am »
Excellently put Alan.

I do find it odd, that they are classed as Muslims, simply for having a Muslim name and/or of <foreign>heritage. They might be for all I know, however there's nothing Islamic in their despicable actions, even ignoring the drinking and drugs aspect.

Maybe the negativity fits the 'them Muslims' narrative, afterall, I wouldn't assume John or Mark, who's parents are strict Catholics to automatically be classed as a Christian. Carolann Gallon, the white female convicted as part of the Newcastle trial was only referred by name.

Then you had these sick men, without any mention of race, religion or live broadcast from Moron Robinson

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-32413502

Please, please don't see this as a justification of Tommy Robinson, it isn't.

The parallel you are trying to highlight is only valid (in my opinion) if local councils, social services and police, ignored these crimes initially.
The outrage (for me) isn't that Muslim men from Pakistan commit crimes, every culture, race and religion has a low, but equal capacity for criminality. The outrage is because it was ignored by people in authority (whom have subesquently admitted as such), based on the race of the perpetrators.

There is a difference.

Can I just say I am highlighting a valid difference. I am not pro Tommy Robinson or EDL, I hope people realise that.

Perhaps it doesn't matter, really, I don't know why I care about such small detail, especially when it can seem like I am siding with the EDL (which again, I'm not). I think it's some sort of OCD.



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« Reply #129 on: June 7, 2018, 06:37:13 pm »
Please, please don't see this as a justification of Tommy Robinson, it isn't.

The parallel you are trying to highlight is only valid (in my opinion) if local councils, social services and police, ignored these crimes initially.
The outrage (for me) isn't that Muslim men from Pakistan commit crimes, every culture, race and religion has a low, but equal capacity for criminality. The outrage is because it was ignored by people in authority (whom have subesquently admitted as such), based on the race of the perpetrators.

There is a difference.

Can I just say I am highlighting a valid difference. I am not pro Tommy Robinson or EDL, I hope people realise that.

Perhaps it doesn't matter, really, I don't know why I care about such small detail, especially when it can seem like I am siding with the EDL (which again, I'm not). I think it's some sort of OCD.




Apologies if my post wasn't clear, I'm not arguing the race of the Rochdale gang (even though i wasn't specifically referring to that case). I understand the major failing in that case (besides the crime itself), were the lack of intervention due to sensitivities surrounding race, which should never have been a factor. People should and have been punished accordingly and quite rightly so. I think we are unanimous in that aspect.

My issue with the EDL, Tommy Robinson, UKIP, Mail etc is that any negative reporting is largely broken down to 'Muslims' as the leading descriptor rather than anything else (obviously there maybe scenarios where religion is the primary factor). The BBC article I referenced, didn't even show up in a Google search for 'Grooming' and neither did any other cases where i know white males were the perpetrators, it was largely filled with 'Muslim' grooming gangs' instead.

I don't know the specifics of the recent Tommy Robinson case, but I'm 99% sure he was only there as the defendants were either Mohammed or Ahmed. 

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« Reply #130 on: June 7, 2018, 07:16:14 pm »
I'm 99% sure he was only there as the defendants were either Mohammed or Ahmed.

Agree with you 100%.
Amazingly TR and Daily Mail readers were absent in there outrage when the old Tory whip from the 80s (forgot his name) admitted, on live radio that MPs could go to him to help cover up crimes against young boys. He said they then used that information a leverage when it came to parliamentary votes.


Fortescue was his name!

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/order-order.com/2014/07/08/watch-former-tory-whip-boasts-about-paedo-mp-cover-up/amp/

Wait just saw a link do david ike on that site. I literally posted the first link without being more prudent. The video somewhat speaks for itself though
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Re: EDL leader - 13 months for contempt.
« Reply #131 on: June 9, 2018, 03:26:33 pm »
Keeping an eye on this rally in London today, no doubt the screffs gathering there are gonna be just waiting for anything so they can kick off.
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« Reply #132 on: June 9, 2018, 03:27:29 pm »
Keeping an eye on this rally in London today, no doubt the screffs gathering there are gonna be just waiting for anything so they can kick off.

What rally mate?

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« Reply #133 on: June 9, 2018, 03:42:08 pm »
What rally mate?
There's a FreeTommy one in Trafalgar Square meant to be going on til 7pm tonight.  Amongst the usuals, there's the new brand of racists like the Generation Identity twonks too.  Lots on the usual social media with a #FreeTommy search.  Or Hope Not Hate are documenting it on their Twitter too.
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« Reply #134 on: June 9, 2018, 03:42:56 pm »
Be a lot of Lonsdale in that London today.

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« Reply #135 on: June 9, 2018, 03:47:36 pm »
Be a lot of Lonsdale in that London today.
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« Reply #136 on: June 9, 2018, 03:58:57 pm »
There's a FreeTommy one in Trafalgar Square meant to be going on til 7pm tonight.  Amongst the usuals, there's the new brand of racists like the Generation Identity twonks too.  Lots on the usual social media with a #FreeTommy search.  Or Hope Not Hate are documenting it on their Twitter too.
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24% of #FreeTommy tweets originate in the US, while only 54% are UK-based.
For #FreeTommyRobinson – it's 27% US and 46% UK.
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Re: EDL leader - 13 months for contempt.
« Reply #137 on: June 9, 2018, 04:06:53 pm »
Geert Wilders is a bad Mr Whippy headed blert.

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« Reply #138 on: June 9, 2018, 04:11:38 pm »
Foreigners in our own land. Says the man whose mother's from Indonesia and who married a Hungarian woman... :wellin

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« Reply #139 on: June 9, 2018, 04:16:39 pm »
Foreigners in our own land. Says the man whose mother's from Indonesia and who married a Hungarian woman... :wellin
And all his funding comes from abroad...

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« Reply #140 on: June 9, 2018, 06:18:50 pm »
“Tommy Robinson” is just a brand for all the racist nuggets to get behind.

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« Reply #141 on: June 9, 2018, 06:28:49 pm »
“Tommy Robinson” is just a brand for all the racist nuggets to get behind.
Don't you go saying mean things about our Tommy, all he's trying to do is protect us all from the evils of Islam. If it weren't for brave men like him we'd be labouring under the yoke of Sharia law already, and then you'd see. Burqas everywhere, a mosque on every corner, and you wouldn't even have the freedom to post on football forums 'cos you'd be too busy getting beheaded by Muslamic Rayguns. If we don't make a stand now then that's what'll happen, you mark my words.

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« Reply #142 on: June 9, 2018, 06:33:20 pm »
Don't you go saying mean things about our Tommy, all he's trying to do is protect us all from the evils of Islam. If it weren't for brave men like him we'd be labouring under the yoke of Sharia law already, and then you'd see. Burqas everywhere, a mosque on every corner, and you wouldn't even have the freedom to post on football forums 'cos you'd be too busy getting beheaded by Muslamic Rayguns. If we don't make a stand now then that's what'll happen, you mark my words.

Well, when you put it like that: FREE TOMMY ROBINSON/STEPHEN YAXLEY-LENNON/ ANDREW MCMASTER/PAUL HARRIS.
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« Reply #143 on: June 9, 2018, 06:33:58 pm »
Don't you go saying mean things about our Tommy, all he's trying to do is protect us all from the evils of Islam. If it weren't for brave men like him we'd be labouring under the yoke of Sharia law already, and then you'd see. Burqas everywhere, a mosque on every corner, and you wouldn't even have the freedom to post on football forums 'cos you'd be too busy getting beheaded by Muslamic Rayguns. If we don't make a stand now then that's what'll happen, you mark my words.

Oh so you’re more bothered about a journalist being jailed for reporting on a case than...bunch of fucking idiots.

Feels like the country is divided in so many ways at the moment. Maybe it always was and social media just gives a voice to it.

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« Reply #144 on: June 9, 2018, 06:34:10 pm »
“Tommy Robinson” is just a brand for all the racist nuggets to get behind.
So is Lonsdale.

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« Reply #145 on: June 9, 2018, 06:34:57 pm »
There’s a great picture on twitter of a guy on the free tommy march with two naked cyclists going past them (not posting it here for obvious reasons)

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« Reply #146 on: June 9, 2018, 06:41:51 pm »
There’s a great picture on twitter of a guy on the free tommy march with two naked cyclists going past them (not posting it here for obvious reasons)

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« Reply #147 on: June 9, 2018, 06:47:58 pm »
Oh so you’re more bothered about a journalist being jailed for reporting on a case than...bunch of fucking idiots.

Feels like the country is divided in so many ways at the moment. Maybe it always was and social media just gives a voice to it.

What we need is a World Cup, that’s always a good way to keep over exuberant patriotism under control

I’m starting to think that. I spoke to a few lads I went to school with, via Facebook, and they admitted they don’t care about the facts, they just “hate Muslims”. They live in and have never left the small town they grew up in. They’re an easy target market. It horrifies me considering my Muslim friends being abused by these morons.

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« Reply #148 on: June 9, 2018, 06:59:22 pm »
Feels like the country is divided in so many ways at the moment. Maybe it always was and social media just gives a voice to it.
id say what social media has done is help entrench people in their views and make people far more partisan as it’s very easy to find enough to base your worldview on for all sides, especially as there are many persuasive voices on all sides it’s easy to pick one side and stick to it, but it’s also help the extreme ends of the spectrum spread their messages across as previously they would find it harder to get people on board

I’m starting to think that. I spoke to a few lads I went to school with, via Facebook, and they admitted they don’t care about the facts, they just “hate Muslims”. They live in and have never left the small town they grew up in. They’re an easy target market. It horrifies me considering my Muslim friends being abused by these morons.
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« Reply #149 on: June 9, 2018, 07:08:42 pm »
That’s a good point about social media and the grouping of views.
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« Reply #153 on: June 10, 2018, 12:43:35 am »
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Riot officers were deployed as hundreds of protesters blocked the roads around Trafalgar Square.

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« Reply #154 on: June 10, 2018, 01:08:36 am »
Has to be seen...

https://mobile.twitter.com/youngvulgarian/status/1005475780594470912
Ah, the placard should read, '#Free Thomas'. :)

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« Reply #155 on: June 10, 2018, 01:23:14 am »
Ah, the placard should read, '#Free Thomas'. :)

I'm sure there were plenty of people laughing at the Tommy protesters. I hope they felt ridiculous.

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« Reply #156 on: June 10, 2018, 01:30:03 am »
On a Boris Johnson Bike an' all! ;D :wellin

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Re: EDL leader - 13 months for contempt.
« Reply #157 on: June 10, 2018, 02:21:24 am »
Ah, the placard should read, '#Free Thomas'. :)

I'm sure there were plenty of people laughing at the Tommy protesters. I hope they felt ridiculous.

Free Willy.
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Re: EDL leader - 13 months for contempt.
« Reply #158 on: June 10, 2018, 08:13:06 am »
Ive not seen the pic. It could be threeel c*nts
Because there are three dicks on show?
Because there are three dicks on show?

Ive not seen the pic. It could easily be three c*nts
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Re: EDL leader - 13 months for contempt.
« Reply #159 on: June 10, 2018, 06:44:34 pm »
What is extraordinary in all this is the dirty little right wing thugs who keep shouting justice for Tommy.

He pleaded guilty! How fuckingstupid are they.
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