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zero zero · « **Reply #51240 on:** October 27, 2018, 09:27:03 am »

Quote from: MNAA on October 27, 2018, 02:46:37 am

West Ham H
Cardiff A
Newcastle A
Vorskla H
Everton H
Brentford H
Watford H
Qarabaq A
Fulham A
Leicester H
Sporting A

I don't think you can definitively write off any side that's only two points off the top at this point in the season, but that list brings a bit of perspective to their winning run

Chris~ · « **Reply #51241 on:** October 27, 2018, 09:36:38 am »

They dont seem much different to Wengers lasr few years at the moment. Enough attacking quality to beat most lower teams, but not good in defence. They'll get around 70 points and challenge for 4th.

vivabobbygraham · « **Reply #51242 on:** October 27, 2018, 09:41:40 am »

Looking forward to the game against the Arse as it will provide both teams with a marker as to where they really are. From their end, arguments such as... 'they haven't beaten anyone yet" to ours, "mistakes at the back will be punished by better forwards" will be fully tested.

Whilst they are a good side going forward, their defence is set up for us to exploit fully and I can envision at least 3 going in their net, at least 3. Will they be able to fashion the same at our end? Doubt it. 1 certainly but 2 and 3? Nah......1-3 is my prediction.

The North Bank · « **Reply #51243 on:** October 27, 2018, 09:42:45 am »

Quote from: Chris~ on October 27, 2018, 09:36:38 am

They dont seem much different to Wengers lasr few years at the moment. Enough attacking quality to beat most lower teams, but not good in defence. They'll get around 70 points and challenge for 4th.

Every Wenger team that did that finished top 4. Missed out when we stopped beating the rubbish.

Chris~ · « **Reply #51244 on:** October 27, 2018, 09:48:19 am »

Quote from: The North Bank on October 27, 2018, 09:42:45 am

Every Wenger team that did that finished top 4. Missed out when we stopped beating the rubbish.

Last 4 season was 22 20 23 19 wins. Not got time to go in to a breakdown of those wins but seems pretty consistent.

The North Bank · « **Reply #51245 on:** October 27, 2018, 09:59:00 am »

Quote from: Chris~ on October 27, 2018, 09:48:19 am

Last 4 season was 22 20 23 19 wins. Not got time to go in to a breakdown of those wins but seems pretty consistent.

Look at our away form last season, every relegation candidate got 3 points against us. When we beat the rubbish and lost to the best , we always finished top 4.

jillcwhomever · « **Reply #51246 on:** October 27, 2018, 10:27:47 am »

Quote from: Chris~ on October 27, 2018, 09:36:38 am

They dont seem much different to Wengers lasr few years at the moment. Enough attacking quality to beat most lower teams, but not good in defence. They'll get around 70 points and challenge for 4th.

To be honest if they managed to finish in the top four that would be a good first year for Emery, the defence needs work before they can get back into contention for the title.

zero zero · « **Reply #51247 on:** October 27, 2018, 11:17:29 am »

Quote from: vivabobbygraham on October 27, 2018, 09:41:40 am

Looking forward to the game against the Arse as it will provide both teams with a marker as to where they really are. From their end, arguments such as... 'they haven't beaten anyone yet" to ours, "mistakes at the back will be punished by better forwards" will be fully tested.

Whilst they are a good side going forward, their defence is set up for us to exploit fully and I can envision at least 3 going in their net, at least 3. Will they be able to fashion the same at our end? Doubt it. 1 certainly but 2 and 3? Nah......1-3 is my prediction.

Why do you say that? I haven't watched them at all this season

Ravishing Rick Dude · « **Reply #51248 on:** October 27, 2018, 11:27:13 am »

Quote from: zero zero on October 27, 2018, 11:17:29 am

Why do you say that? I haven't watched them at all this season

People in here are exaggerating a bit. One would think that they're conceding 5 goals in every game.

The North Bank · « **Reply #51249 on:** October 27, 2018, 11:30:03 am »

Quote from: zero zero on October 27, 2018, 11:17:29 am

Why do you say that? I haven't watched them at all this season

We play a high line and lack pace, also we insist on passing from the back. Salah and Mane down the channels could be deadly on the counter , and we 'll turn over possession a few times in dangerous situations. At the other end we flood the 6 yard box with up to 4 players so we could outnumber your defenders if we are allowed to break, therll be plenty of chances, it's how many get taken, I predict at least 6 goals in the game, Hopefully not all in our net.

vivabobbygraham · « **Reply #51250 on:** October 27, 2018, 12:37:09 pm »

Quote from: zero zero on October 27, 2018, 11:17:29 am

Why do you say that? I haven't watched them at all this season

Quote from: The North Bank on October 27, 2018, 11:30:03 am

We play a high line and lack pace, also we insist on passing from the back. Salah and Mane down the channels could be deadly on the counter , and we 'll turn over possession a few times in dangerous situations. At the other end we flood the 6 yard box with up to 4 players so we could outnumber your defenders if we are allowed to break, therll be plenty of chances, it's how many get taken, I predict at least 6 goals in the game, Hopefully not all in our net.

Couldn't have put it better. Also concur about you going forward as I alluded to. Could be a shoot out but think our midfield should cope better defensively than yours giving up fewer chances, but we will give up chances. Your defence will not have had to cope with our precision going forward yet. Who converts better wins, obviously

deFacto please, you bastards · « **Reply #51251 on:** October 27, 2018, 01:03:15 pm »

Quote from: Rick-40 on October 27, 2018, 11:27:13 am

People in here are exaggerating a bit. One would think that they're conceding 5 goals in every game.

It's not an exaggeration, they leave themselves exposed, but they haven't faced a side who has taken a number of opportunities that they were given. No they aren't conceding 5 goals a game, but they are conceding high quality chances in each game

zero zero · « **Reply #51252 on:** October 27, 2018, 02:31:12 pm »

Quote from: The North Bank on October 27, 2018, 11:30:03 am

We play a high line and lack pace, also we insist on passing from the back. Salah and Mane down the channels could be deadly on the counter , and we 'll turn over possession a few times in dangerous situations. At the other end we flood the 6 yard box with up to 4 players so we could outnumber your defenders if we are allowed to break, therll be plenty of chances, it's how many get taken, I predict at least 6 goals in the game, Hopefully not all in our net.

Quote from: vivabobbygraham on October 27, 2018, 12:37:09 pm

Couldn't have put it better. Also concur about you going forward as I alluded to. Could be a shoot out but think our midfield should cope better defensively than yours giving up fewer chances, but we will give up chances. Your defence will not have had to cope with our precision going forward yet. Who converts better wins, obviously

Thanks lads

The North Bank · « **Reply #51253 on:** October 27, 2018, 08:05:19 pm »

Reiss Nelson, ripping it up in the bundesliga, 5 games, 4 goals, 3 assists. He ll be a force for us next season.

Solomon Grundy · « **Reply #51254 on:** October 28, 2018, 06:25:14 pm »

How strong is the Bundesliga really though? That is the question for me.

Dim Glas · « **Reply #51255 on:** October 28, 2018, 06:36:36 pm »

Quote from: Solomon Grundy on October 28, 2018, 06:25:14 pm

How strong is the Bundesliga really though? That is the question for me.

it's a very different style, but it's a good league.

But, the thing is, the teams in Bundesliga are on average about 2 years younger than prem teams, having 5 or 6 youngsters per team is not unusual. There is a willingness and patience there to throw them in and play them on a regular basis that maybe dont and can't happen in the prem. Cos for the big teams especually in the prem, they are under pressure to perform and win, with little time for blooding too many young and inexperienced players.

Plus in the Bundesliga the majority of teams won't park busses,even the smaller teams tend to try and keep it on the floor and play through midfield, so it's a nice league for attacking players for sure.

So what I am saying is, there is as much chance of him sinking into obscurity next season as there is him breaking through at Arsenal

farawayred · « **Reply #51256 on:** October 28, 2018, 10:34:10 pm »

Not trying to yank your chain, but how can you define a good league one in which there is no competition at the top? The actual competition almost every year is who will be second.

Solomon Grundy · « **Reply #51257 on:** October 28, 2018, 10:51:53 pm »

Quote from: Dië Nullfuenfer on October 28, 2018, 06:36:36 pm

it's a very different style, but it's a good league.

But, the thing is, the teams in Bundesliga are on average about 2 years younger than prem teams, having 5 or 6 youngsters per team is not unusual. There is a willingness and patience there to throw them in and play them on a regular basis that maybe dont and can't happen in the prem. Cos for the big teams especually in the prem, they are under pressure to perform and win, with little time for blooding too many young and inexperienced players.

Plus in the Bundesliga the majority of teams won't park busses,even the smaller teams tend to try and keep it on the floor and play through midfield, so it's a nice league for attacking players for sure.

So what I am saying is, there is as much chance of him sinking into obscurity next season as there is him breaking through at Arsenal

Thanks for clearing that up mate.

Solomon Grundy · « **Reply #51258 on:** October 28, 2018, 10:53:10 pm »

We can definitely get at these next week. And I will be very disappointed if we don't come away with at least a point. Don't see why we can't go there and win though.

Dim Glas · « **Reply #51259 on:** October 28, 2018, 10:53:21 pm »

Quote from: farawayred on October 28, 2018, 10:34:10 pm

Not trying to yank your chain, but how can you define a good league one in which there is no competition at the top? The actual competition almost every year is who will be second.

so the only team not competing must by Bayern then right? Then there is plenty of competition between all the other clubs if that is the case. I'd say it's more competitive than the premier league half the time where you have a few good teams, and a lot of dreadful teams. The disparity between the majority of teams in the Bundesliga is far, far less than in the prem.

At the end of the day, many of the 'top' leagues have a team who dominate it, France and Italy being the two worst, Spain almost as bad most seasons where they have 2.

The prem often has a clear winner, just that it isn't always the same team - there was no competition at the top in the prem last year was there? That doesn't mean there isn't competition through the rest of the league.

Watch the league, then you can tell me if you think it's good, but for me, technically it's a very good league, and helps a lot of very good players grown and develop.

Quote from: Solomon Grundy on October 28, 2018, 10:51:53 pm

Thanks for clearing that up mate.

Clear as mud eh, hedging my bets nicely!

deano2727 · « **Reply #51260 on:** October 29, 2018, 02:45:10 am »

Glad their winning streak is over before we visit them.

I don't see us losing. Whoever wins will have to score at least 2 goals, possibly 3, as I see both teams scoring - maybe twice.

stevieG786 · « **Reply #51261 on:** October 29, 2018, 02:45:59 am »

Quote from: Solomon Grundy on October 28, 2018, 10:53:10 pm

We can definitely get at these next week. And I will be very disappointed if we don't come away with at least a point. Don't see why we can't go there and win though.

Anything less then 3 points is a disappointment abaonst these, home or not.

deFacto please, you bastards · « **Reply #51262 on:** October 29, 2018, 03:56:29 am »

Quote from: stevieG786 on October 29, 2018, 02:45:59 am

Anything less then 3 points is a disappointment abaonst these, home or not.

We've won only twice in the last six or seven years at the Emirates, so it's not something that happens often regardless of how they play.

Caligula? · « **Reply #51263 on:** October 29, 2018, 05:07:08 am »

Quote from: deano2727 on October 29, 2018, 02:45:10 am

Glad their winning streak is over before we visit them.

I don't see us losing. Whoever wins will have to score at least 2 goals, possibly 3, as I see both teams scoring - maybe twice.

You think we can't go there and win 1-0? Not with the defense we currently have? I don't see Arsenal scoring more than once. In fact, with a little luck we're more than capable of shutting them out as well. We're a completely different animal now. We can score in the third minute and for the first time in eons I'd actually have faith that we can hold on to the 1-0 lead and come away with the points.

deano2727 · « **Reply #51264 on:** October 29, 2018, 05:31:17 am »

Quote from: Caligula? on October 29, 2018, 05:07:08 am

You think we can't go there and win 1-0? Not with the defense we currently have? I don't see Arsenal scoring more than once. In fact, with a little luck we're more than capable of shutting them out as well. We're a completely different animal now. We can score in the third minute and for the first time in eons I'd actually have faith that we can hold on to the 1-0 lead and come away with the points.

We can, but I dont think we will.

I'd be close to certain both teams will score. I think this game is more about our forwards than our defense. If they are on song, which they have been the last two games, we win. Arsenal are weak defensively and are slow starters in games. They don't click until the second half. We need to go out there and blitz them in the first 20-30. If we do that successfully, we could smash them.

harleydanger · « **Reply #51265 on:** October 29, 2018, 07:05:23 am »

Simply put, if we have any aspirations for the title we will need to come back with 3 points.

Larse · « **Reply #51266 on:** October 29, 2018, 03:05:56 pm »

Understat has them with 13.81 expected Points (9th, below United), they actually have 22. I saw lots of games of their winning run because they never played the same time as us. Them winning all those games really started to annoy me, they just got so lucky so many times. Yesterday they got outscored on xG (2.11 - 0.82 - including the penalties for CP) and CP dominated them over big parts of the game. They also got outscored on xG by Watford, Everton and Fulham (a game they won 5-1).

Overall I am not not really buying this "new Arsenal" team. Think we should beat them. Only thing that scares me is that they are worryingly clinical.

PaulF · « **Reply #51267 on:** October 30, 2018, 06:38:51 am »

We are giving up very few shots against so they will have to be scoring pretty much every chance.
On a side note, does our mean defence make it harder to prepare against us. There is little footage of areas that we are weak and thus little for opposition coaches to focus on?

Gaz123456 · « **Reply #51268 on:** October 30, 2018, 07:57:41 am »

They've obviously got some confidence from their winning run and they look more cohesive than in recent seasons, but let's see how they go on against the top teams before they are treated as title challengers.

Red Beret · « **Reply #51269 on:** October 30, 2018, 02:18:31 pm »

Turned into Spurs, the amount of luck they're getting. More solid no doubt but we're scrapping where they're getting opportunities gift wrapped. Or maybe I'm just being cynical because we've made it hard work for ourselves.

Brian Blessed · « **Reply #51270 on:** October 30, 2018, 02:32:59 pm »

We've only conceded more than one twice this season, and one of those was without Alisson or van Dyke in the team or on the bench. So if Arsenal do get two, fair play to them.

LFCsupporter · « **Reply #51271 on:** October 30, 2018, 04:02:36 pm »

If Allison, Vin Djik, Gomez and Fabinho are on the pitch, Arsenal will not score.

BrandoLFC · « **Reply #51272 on:** October 30, 2018, 05:01:03 pm »

Just to repeat what I said in the ManC thread, these are no threat to us and will probably be lucky to stay anywhere near the top 4 as the season goes along unless something drastically changes. Their defense is a literal joke and is not even in the top 10 in a lot of statistics. Most games they take an entire half off and for all that talk about their amazing offensive players they have created less than Bournemouth and Watford but are running super hot on their finishing which will desert them at some point. They're more a mid table team than they ever were under Wenger but here we are.

Anything can happen in 90 minutes so after typing all of this we could get some fluke result. If it's played to form though then we'll be comfortable and could and probably should thrash them.

HardworkDedication · « **Reply #51273 on:** November 1, 2018, 06:26:31 pm »

Sky Sports Premier League @SkySportsPL 5h
Sky Sports News understands that Liverpool have no interest in signing Aaron Ramsey.

http://skysports.tv/GiYjtU

WhereAngelsPlay · « **Reply #51274 on:** November 1, 2018, 06:38:33 pm »

Quote from: HardworkDedication on November 1, 2018, 06:26:31 pm

Sky Sports Premier League @SkySportsPL 5h
Sky Sports News understands that Liverpool have no interest in signing Aaron Ramsey.

http://skysports.tv/GiYjtU

He is way overrated & will expect a fortune in wages and signing on bonus.

El Lobo · « **Reply #51275 on:** November 3, 2018, 06:17:24 pm »

If these don’t finish top 4 absolute minimum then it’s one of the biggest failures in a long time. Utterly incredible decisions they’ve got from officials all season and doesn’t seem to be stopping.

Gaz123456 · « **Reply #51276 on:** November 3, 2018, 06:29:16 pm »

Got to say I'm impressed with them so far this season.

elsewhere · « **Reply #51277 on:** November 3, 2018, 07:22:50 pm »

Unai is one fucking whiner piece of shit, isn't he?

b_joseph · « **Reply #51278 on:** November 3, 2018, 07:23:49 pm »

They are good...simple as that. That he has them working so well off the ball while in possession, is impressive.

The two strikers, have and will feast on the dross. Great pace and movement.

Dim Glas · « **Reply #51279 on:** November 3, 2018, 07:29:02 pm »

Quote from: elsewhere on November 3, 2018, 07:22:50 pm

Unai is one fucking whiner piece of shit, isn't he?

he's a really weird guy I know that much.

Arsenal hugely improved from the last 2 or 3 Wenger years, not hard I know. Still, took a gift of a goal for them to get anything from that, and help from the officials. Hopefully they can do better vs a couple of the other big clubs later in the season.