Author Topic: PL: Liverpool 2 v 1Aston Villa ‘43 Watkins ‘57 Mo 90+1’ Trent  (Read 24432 times)

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Re: PL: Liverpool 2 v 1Aston Villa ‘43 Watkins ‘57 Mo 90+1’ Trent
« Reply #480 on: April 12, 2021, 02:00:33 am »
Shoutout to Shaq for his contribution to the goal. It was a really good cross to Thiago.

I hope if we are still in the tie this midweek, Shaq will be given at least 30 mins to contribute and change the outcome of the tie.

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Re: PL: Liverpool 2 v 1Aston Villa ‘43 Watkins ‘57 Mo 90+1’ Trent
« Reply #481 on: April 12, 2021, 04:21:57 am »
Adopt the Rugby League approach and it will stamp it out.  Allow a trainer on to the field when someone is injured to attend to the player while play continues. Games shouldn't be stopped for injury unless a trainer draws the ref's attention and the player needs to leave the field for treatment. If players knew they were immediately leaving their team a man down they would be less prone to acting.
I don't think it can work in football. The game moves too quickly and every inch of the pitch is potentially in play at any moment. You'd have a big risk of the playing players, the injured player or the physios colliding with each other or the ball and getting injured in turn - a liability nightmare.

Rugby footall is a different kind of game; the play tends to move in one direction for extended periods, and be concentrated in certain areas of the pitch, also for extended periods, as well as stopping for scrums etc so there's more leeway for safe on-pitch treatment. Plus as a handling game the ball spends less time on the ground where the treatment would be taking place and the passing patterns can fairly easily miss out a section of the pitch where treatment is occuring.

I do think, however, that the rules of football need to be tweaked so that it's made clear that neither injury nor 'injury' can be used to stop the game cynically or time waste. A player who is injured and off the field should be banned by the laws of the game from coming back on again to stop the game; if he does perhaps it should be an automatic booking, or worse. I don't know; I haven't thought these things through but something should be done. Maybe if team A time wastes the time added should be such that it is advantageous to Team B - some kind of Power Play or something. It seems a mockery if Team A time waste and then later benefit from the time added due to their own timewasting.

I agree with the poster earlier that it is a game-wide problem rather than an issue with an individual (e.g Trezuguet). It needs tackling in a game-wide manner.
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Re: PL: Liverpool 2 v 1Aston Villa ‘43 Watkins ‘57 Mo 90+1’ Trent
« Reply #482 on: April 12, 2021, 07:13:14 am »
Mike Riley demanded a VAR check on the Trent goal.


Another close one. I’m surprised we got away with that.

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Re: PL: Liverpool 2 v 1Aston Villa ‘43 Watkins ‘57 Mo 90+1’ Trent
« Reply #483 on: April 12, 2021, 08:59:55 am »
Mike Riley demanded a VAR check on the Trent goal.



Don’t give them ideas. We’ve got United at Old Trafford coming up in a couple of weeks.  They’ll be working on a version of this no doubt.

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Re: PL: Liverpool 2 v 1Aston Villa ‘43 Watkins ‘57 Mo 90+1’ Trent
« Reply #484 on: April 12, 2021, 12:48:40 pm »
OK.  You're old fashioned.

But I must be too, I thought that was despicable yesterday, and he was the second one to do it. Traore did it earlier didn't he?  I'm sorry he's injured but, as someone said above, it's the system not the person.  They're coached, even ordered, to do those things in those situations and they're just part of the whole time wasting strategy they brought to the game yesterday like the keeper shouts at his defenders when the ball goes for a goal kick, then looks for the furthest or most awkward ball to collect, he walks to said ball then walks back and goes to the opposite side of the goal from which the ball went out to take the kick.  He has two defenders near him as he decides which one to pass to before changing his mind, waving them upfield, kicking the soles of both boots on the post then launching it as far into the stands as he can.  Throw ins, the nearest man walks away from the ball, another player walks over and walks to the furthest ball or waits for someone to lob him one.  He then dithers, then steals yards and yards and yards until the ref stops him and send him back, he walks back slowly, still scanning the possible options, before dithering further and finally throwing it to the bloke who should have taken it in the first place.  Meanwhile Mr Referee stand with his thumb up his arse (if he could find it with both hands) and does nothing whatsoever about it.  It would have been interesting to see what Trezuget would have done if Villa were losing when he was injured...even though I know the answer.

Worth a re-post this !! Glad you got it off your chest. Spot on too.

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Re: PL: Liverpool 2 v 1Aston Villa ‘43 Watkins ‘57 Mo 90+1’ Trent
« Reply #485 on: April 12, 2021, 02:42:13 pm »
In this situation, surely it's hate the game not the player?

Players are conditioned to do this at all levels, and its by the people who decide their future career prospects.

The people at fault here are the Villa medical staff, the Villa coaches and management, and FIFA or whoever writes the rules and the awful players unions.

The rules need to eliminate this, forcing a player with a horrific injury to move around for show so a player can be prepped for a sub. Whether that's with a carrot (allow play to remain stopped until the substitution regardless of whether the players on the pitch) or the stick (punish Villa and any club that does similar, treating their employees health so negligently. also a yellow or something like you suggest) or a combination of both - the structure is what needs to change.

The individual isn't the problem, its the system.

Spot on this. Saw something a while back that shows the ball is only in play for something like 60 minutes out of a 90-minute game. It'll never happen but have always thought a start/stop clock like in American sports would sort the timewasting out overnight.

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Re: PL: Liverpool 2 v 1Aston Villa ‘43 Watkins ‘57 Mo 90+1’ Trent
« Reply #486 on: April 12, 2021, 04:39:07 pm »
One comical note amongst all Villa's dubious tactics was when, at a free kick to us, Gini kicked the ball hard at Douglas Luiz for not retreating 10 yds - and the ref duly booked the Villa player - ha ! We should do that more often.

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Re: PL: Liverpool 2 v 1Aston Villa ‘43 Watkins ‘57 Mo 90+1’ Trent
« Reply #487 on: April 12, 2021, 05:49:43 pm »
One comical note amongst all Villa's dubious tactics was when, at a free kick to us, Gini kicked the ball hard at Douglas Luiz for not retreating 10 yds - and the ref duly booked the Villa player - ha ! We should do that more often.

I remember years ago Coutinho got carded for the same offence. I was furious. Then I thought to myself, why don't we do that more often ourselves?

So it was strangely satisfying to see Gini do that on Saturday.

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Re: PL: Liverpool 2 v 1Aston Villa ‘43 Watkins ‘57 Mo 90+1’ Trent
« Reply #488 on: April 12, 2021, 05:54:06 pm »
Those Villa spoiling tactics were down to John Terry trying to do Chelsea a favour during this top 4 race.
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Re: PL: Liverpool 2 v 1Aston Villa ‘43 Watkins ‘57 Mo 90+1’ Trent
« Reply #489 on: April 12, 2021, 05:59:15 pm »
Those Villa spoiling tactics were down to John Terry trying to do Chelsea a favour during this top 4 race.

Nice.. came back to bite him and them in the arse..
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Re: PL: Liverpool 2 v 1Aston Villa ‘43 Watkins ‘57 Mo 90+1’ Trent
« Reply #490 on: April 12, 2021, 07:11:38 pm »
One comical note amongst all Villa's dubious tactics was when, at a free kick to us, Gini kicked the ball hard at Douglas Luiz for not retreating 10 yds - and the ref duly booked the Villa player - ha ! We should do that more often.

Gini followed the all important process though, he gave a fake "warning kick" first.  ;D Protocol. it says in plain football "if you dont give me my yards im going to kick the ball against you and you are getting a card."

Laugh if you want but without the warning runthrough the refs more likely to card the kicker while waving his whistle under his nose without any context.

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Re: PL: Liverpool 2 v 1Aston Villa ‘43 Watkins ‘57 Mo 90+1’ Trent
« Reply #491 on: April 13, 2021, 03:33:42 am »
Gini followed the all important process though, he gave a fake "warning kick" first.  ;D Protocol. it says in plain football "if you dont give me my yards im going to kick the ball against you and you are getting a card."

Laugh if you want but without the warning run through the refs more likely to card the kicker while waving his whistle under his nose without any context.

True story.

Yes good explanation.

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Re: PL: Liverpool 2 v 1Aston Villa ‘43 Watkins ‘57 Mo 90+1’ Trent
« Reply #492 on: April 13, 2021, 03:46:33 am »
Gini followed the all important process though, he gave a fake "warning kick" first.  ;D Protocol. it says in plain football "if you dont give me my yards im going to kick the ball against you and you are getting a card."

Laugh if you want but without the warning runthrough the refs more likely to card the kicker while waving his whistle under his nose without any context.

True story.

It annoys me that players don't do what Gini did more. Growing up I'm sure I remember it being more common.