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Re: Champions league changes approved.
« Reply #40 on: May 10, 2022, 06:26:51 pm »
You should just look up how a Swiss model works first.

Just like Villarreal subsidized their fans travel there is no reason LFC can't do the same which they should do. Hopefully SoS's involvement helps with that. They make so much money now that it would basically affect nothing.

LFC have never and will never subsidise supporters travelling to away games. Villareal only did it as they've never been there before.
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Re: Champions league changes approved.
« Reply #41 on: May 10, 2022, 06:29:44 pm »
So the new format for the champions league group stage has been approved and it looks fucking shite. All teams in same league and playing 8 games, 4 home and 4 away but only playing any team once. Top 8 go through and next 16 play off to go through.

No ‘legacy places’ but best two performing leagues get an extra place so very likely England will regularly have 5 places.

Think I would’ve preferred the super league.

With these "reforms", the European Super League is inevitable. Not that I like it much, but UEFA are clueless and they are keeping the project alive ...

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Re: Champions league changes approved.
« Reply #42 on: May 10, 2022, 06:44:10 pm »
LFC have never and will never subsidise supporters travelling to away games. Villareal only did it as they've never been there before.

Hopefully the people engaging with the club have more of an open mind than you do.

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Re: Champions league changes approved.
« Reply #43 on: May 10, 2022, 06:51:13 pm »
Games gone.

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Re: Champions league changes approved.
« Reply #44 on: May 10, 2022, 06:56:54 pm »
With these "reforms", the European Super League is inevitable. Not that I like it much, but UEFA are clueless and they are keeping the project alive ...

It's not just UEFA who is pushing this.
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Re: Champions league changes approved.
« Reply #45 on: May 10, 2022, 06:57:36 pm »
Haha....footy these days, fans getting rinsed to fuck to watch a second rate product, while the rich get richer off their  backs.

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Re: Champions league changes approved.
« Reply #46 on: May 10, 2022, 07:07:37 pm »
It's not just UEFA who is pushing this.

I know, but they are creating a real mess. Eventually, the big clubs will move away from Man City, PSG, Newcastle and the likes, and stop pouring money into UEFA's coffers ...

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Re: Champions league changes approved.
« Reply #47 on: May 10, 2022, 07:13:55 pm »
UEFA: We have a goose which lays eggs of gold. What should we do with it?

A) Nurture it. Treat it well and look after it. ❎

B) Kill the bastard then squeeze every last drop of blood from its corpse. ✅

 :duh

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Re: Champions league changes approved.
« Reply #48 on: May 10, 2022, 07:16:34 pm »
Hopefully the people engaging with the club have more of an open mind than you do.

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Re: Champions league changes approved.
« Reply #49 on: May 10, 2022, 07:20:50 pm »
You should just look up how a Swiss model works first.

Just like Villarreal subsidized their fans travel there is no reason LFC can't do the same which they should do. Hopefully SoS's involvement helps with that. They make so much money now that it would basically affect nothing.

As someone that doesn't go to Euro aways, this is a fucking horrendous idea. Going to an away game in Europe for 99% of people is more than just a few quid on a ticket and a plane journey. Fuck UEFA and their corporate greed.
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Re: Champions league changes approved.
« Reply #50 on: May 10, 2022, 07:21:57 pm »
UEFA: We have a goose which lays eggs of gold. What should we do with it?

A) Nurture it. Treat it well and look after it. ❎

B) Kill the bastard then squeeze every last drop of blood from its corpse. ✅

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They've learnt over the years that people will put up with more and more shit and the more shit they get away with, the more shit they will pile onto the game. Look at today, fawning over City as they destroy the game around them. They will push and push and push and there will always be someone who will pay for the product.

We remember when football was affordable, I remember when Moores said it would never cost more than a flim to go on the Kop, I remember the fan survey in the mid 00's (its on here somewhere) where dickheads replied they would happily pay £100 to watch a home game. Sadly the game we loved has gone.
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Re: Champions league changes approved.
« Reply #51 on: May 10, 2022, 07:26:43 pm »
They've learnt over the years that people will put up with more and more shit and the more shit they get away with, the more shit they will pile onto the game. Look at today, fawning over City as they destroy the game around them. They will push and push and push and there will always be someone who will pay for the product.

We remember when football was affordable, I remember when Moores said it would never cost more than a flim to go on the Kop, I remember the fan survey in the mid 00's (its on here somewhere) where dickheads replied they would happily pay £100 to watch a home game. Sadly the game we loved has gone.
I totally agree that the game is gone. I've said it for a few years now, that it's only Klopp and LFC that keep me remotely interested. An oasis of authenticity in a sea of plastic.
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Re: Champions league changes approved.
« Reply #52 on: May 10, 2022, 07:42:07 pm »
does Gary Neville not fancy starting another riot then or what
it won't affect the sixth place team so no concern of his
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Re: Champions league changes approved.
« Reply #53 on: May 10, 2022, 07:45:08 pm »
I know, but they are creating a real mess. Eventually, the big clubs will move away from Man City, PSG, Newcastle and the likes, and stop pouring money into UEFA's coffers ...
the sooner that happens the better, UEFA & FIFA are corrupt as fuck
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Re: Champions league changes approved.
« Reply #54 on: May 10, 2022, 07:47:34 pm »
I know, but they are creating a real mess. Eventually, the big clubs will move away from Man City, PSG, Newcastle and the likes, and stop pouring money into UEFA's coffers ...
They will have no choice . I certainly want no part of a game where horrific nation state owned clubs are buying up every title.

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Re: Champions league changes approved.
« Reply #55 on: May 10, 2022, 07:50:23 pm »
Lots of calls saying the 'game is gone' but do you still actively still follow it, go the match, pay BT/Sky to watch it etc?  Have you fucked the rest of the pointless shite off and just follow us?

How much more can you put up with, this stuff interests me, there's no right and wrong and no point scoring, everybody is entitled to think how they like and follow the game accordingly

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Re: Champions league changes approved.
« Reply #56 on: May 10, 2022, 07:54:21 pm »
I'm guessing this means that anyone who qualifies for Europe will bin off the League Cup, no way can clubs fit in extra fixtures unless we have to play twice a week for the season.

If that happens it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, although there would be less chance to bed our younger players in
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Re: Champions league changes approved.
« Reply #57 on: May 10, 2022, 07:55:47 pm »
Lots of calls saying the 'game is gone' but do you still actively still follow it, go the match, pay BT/Sky to watch it etc?  Have you fucked the rest of the pointless shite off and just follow us?

How much more can you put up with, this stuff interests me, there's no right and wrong and no point scoring, everybody is entitled to think how they like and follow the game accordingly

I gave up watching footy ages ago, I just check our score on here or 316 on teletext and that's it. Too much shit going on on too many levels in my opinion, from  those at the very top right down to the thick moronic fans who still us grief over Hillsborough etc.
I've never given less of a fuck about football than I do now. Only watch our games now and it's only on streams, don't give a penny to BT or Sky. Can't even remember the last time I watched a game involving two other teams. It's just all fucking depressing and the thought of a CL Final in Qatar consisting of City v Newcastle is just ridiculous.

I'd love to know what young fans think of the current state of the game, do they even know what City's and Newcastle's owners get up to?

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Re: Champions league changes approved.
« Reply #58 on: May 10, 2022, 09:04:10 pm »
They will have no choice . I certainly want no part of a game where horrific nation state owned clubs are buying up every title.

Exactly. PSG have pretty much ruined Ligue 1. Man City and Newcastle will ruin the Premier League. It is only a matter of time before some oil state will buy a club in the Serie A or La Liga. The traditional big clubs will have a simple choice: Sell up to the oil states, or create the European Super league without the oil clubs ...

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Re: Champions league changes approved.
« Reply #59 on: May 10, 2022, 10:31:54 pm »
Lots of calls saying the 'game is gone' but do you still actively still follow it, go the match, pay BT/Sky to watch it etc?  Have you fucked the rest of the pointless shite off and just follow us?

How much more can you put up with, this stuff interests me, there's no right and wrong and no point scoring, everybody is entitled to think how they like and follow the game accordingly

I gave up watching footy ages ago, I just check our score on here or 316 on teletext and that's it. Too much shit going on on too many levels in my opinion, from  those at the very top right down to the thick moronic fans who still us grief over Hillsborough etc.


Watch us when on, have taken the kids to 3 games this season, do not watch any other PL team, watch the odd CL game, don't watch MOTD unless I haven't seen us and then I record it, fast forward to us and switch off. I did watch the Real v City game, my lad wanted it on and that was funny as fuck to see.
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Re: Champions league changes approved.
« Reply #60 on: May 11, 2022, 12:17:20 am »
Lots of calls saying the 'game is gone' but do you still actively still follow it, go the match, pay BT/Sky to watch it etc?  Have you fucked the rest of the pointless shite off and just follow us?

How much more can you put up with, this stuff interests me, there's no right and wrong and no point scoring, everybody is entitled to think how they like and follow the game accordingly

I gave up watching footy ages ago, I just check our score on here or 316 on teletext and that's it. Too much shit going on on too many levels in my opinion, from  those at the very top right down to the thick moronic fans who still us grief over Hillsborough etc.
We don't have Sky or BT, although if we are on BT when I'm at my parents house I catch us there because that channel is in her telly package. I don't watch MotD either. I don't listen to sports phone-ins or anything on TV building up to games. I was an Anfield regular for decades, but have been priced out of the game for some time now.

If I'm home and can get a stream, I will do. I only watch Liverpool games though. I can't even remember when I last watched a match that didn't involve us. I loathe international football, so never watch that either.

It's just LFC and Klopp for me. Outside of that, the game is pretty much dead to me now.
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Re: Champions league changes approved.
« Reply #61 on: May 11, 2022, 12:21:52 am »
I'm not saying it needed it but honestly I'm not against seeing how a different group format goes

The knockouts are the best part anyway as long as they stay the same (and fuck the 1 leg semis that people want), I'm happy

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Re: Champions league changes approved.
« Reply #62 on: May 11, 2022, 01:26:56 am »
What’s wrong with the one they’re using now ffs

the super league scared them

so they made their own

it really is just that isn't it
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Re: Champions league changes approved.
« Reply #63 on: May 11, 2022, 02:12:00 am »
Knockout stages to remain the same as now.

That was my main concern. Group stage format needed an overhaul. This will mean bigger games in the group stage.

Edit,: Just heard that you can technically finish 24th in the group stage and still win the Champions League. That's insane
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Re: Champions league changes approved.
« Reply #64 on: May 11, 2022, 05:13:08 am »
So we could finish top of a group containing Liverpool city psg Bayern and real, without playing any of them. Great.


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Re: Champions league changes approved.
« Reply #65 on: May 11, 2022, 09:17:41 am »
the super league scared them

so they made their own

it really is just that isn't it

Nope, this was already being discussed at the same time, not sure whether UEFA knew about the ESL as I guess the clubs wanted that keeping secret but no doubt the clubs knew about these plans

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Re: Champions league changes approved.
« Reply #66 on: May 11, 2022, 09:18:28 am »
So we could finish top of a group containing Liverpool city psg Bayern and real, without playing any of them. Great.



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« Reply #67 on: May 11, 2022, 09:35:28 am »
The group stages right now are fairly tedious and predictable, so I think a refresh was required. Will this be an improvement? Let's see, will probably take a couple of seasons to come to a conclusion. The important thing is to retain the KO stages and not go ahead with this ludicrous semi-final plan.

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« Reply #68 on: May 11, 2022, 09:39:12 am »
  • Two of the extra four slots will be awarded to nations whose clubs achieve the best collective performance in the season before. To work this out, the total points earned will be divided by the number of sides competing in European club competitions.
  • In four of the past five campaigns, a team in the Premier League would have received one of the additional slots.
  • In another change, clubs from the same country will now be able to play against each other in the early knockout stages.
  • One element that will not be changing when the new system is introduced in 2024 is the two-legged semi-finals.
  • It essentially boils down to every league being greedy and wanting more, but the new format will offer balance and should encourage teams playing in either of UEFA’s three club competitions to go as far as possible and earn coefficient points for their country.

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« Reply #69 on: May 11, 2022, 09:52:20 am »
The group stages right now are fairly tedious and predictable, so I think a refresh was required. Will this be an improvement? Let's see, will probably take a couple of seasons to come to a conclusion. The important thing is to retain the KO stages and not go ahead with this ludicrous semi-final plan.

With 24 out of 36 going through, something line nine points will probably be enough. There will be quite a few teams safe from elimination having played three of their eight group games. Of course, top 8 takes you straight to the last 16, so there will still be something to play for, but the fear of elimination will be gone. Going into the final round, most teams will already know whether they're through or not, and most of them will know whether they're in the top 8 or not. I'd call that tedious and predictable.

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« Reply #70 on: May 11, 2022, 09:54:43 am »
You should just look up how a Swiss model works first.

UEFA should look up how a Swiss model works. What they're proposing is nothing like the Swiss model, the fixtures will be worked out in advance and everyone will get an equally difficult set of fixtures, based on seeding.

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« Reply #71 on: May 11, 2022, 09:57:50 am »
  • Two of the extra four slots will be awarded to nations whose clubs achieve the best collective performance in the season before. To work this out, the total points earned will be divided by the number of sides competing in European club competitions.

This is pretty nuts. We're going to end up with a scenario whereby a team finishes 5th in the PL (or whatever league) and then has to wait until the final is played before knowing whether they'll be in the CL or the EL. We could finish 5th and then need Man City to win the final so that we get in the following year!
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« Reply #72 on: May 11, 2022, 10:23:02 am »
With 24 out of 36 going through, something line nine points will probably be enough. There will be quite a few teams safe from elimination having played three of their eight group games. Of course, top 8 takes you straight to the last 16, so there will still be something to play for, but the fear of elimination will be gone. Going into the final round, most teams will already know whether they're through or not, and most of them will know whether they're in the top 8 or not. I'd call that tedious and predictable.
Agree with this. It will be apparent early on which teams can’t make top 8, once these know they won’t be in the bottom 8 there will be so many dead rubbers. There will be too many teams that are safely between 8th and 24th who will just play out boring draws. Tedious and boring.

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Re: Champions league changes approved.
« Reply #73 on: May 11, 2022, 10:25:02 am »
Agree with this. It will be apparent early on which teams can’t make top 8, once these know they won’t be in the bottom 8 there will be so many dead rubbers. There will be too many teams that are safely between 8th and 24th who will just play out boring draws. Tedious and boring.

I actually think it'll be interesting. I'm assuming it'll be 9th vs 24th, 10th vs 23rd etc. and not some weird Swiss calculations. You'll want to avoid the big teams in the next round so you'll be keeping an eye on the other results.
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« Reply #74 on: May 11, 2022, 10:37:59 am »
I actually think it'll be interesting. I'm assuming it'll be 9th vs 24th, 10th vs 23rd etc. and not some weird Swiss calculations. You'll want to avoid the big teams in the next round so you'll be keeping an eye on the other results.
I just can’t see being in a league where you don’t play every team ever being fair. Plus having to play say Man City away, whilst another club plays them at home, it can never even itself out.

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« Reply #75 on: May 11, 2022, 10:40:08 am »
I just can’t see being in a league where you don’t play every team ever being fair. Plus having to play say Man City away, whilst another club plays them at home, it can never even itself out.

And you just know UEFA will skew this so the oil clubs get through every year.
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Re: Champions league changes approved.
« Reply #76 on: May 11, 2022, 10:49:43 am »
LFC have never and will never subsidise supporters travelling to away games. Villareal only did it as they've never been there before.

They did with the womens team. Put on free coaches for hundreds of travelling fans for most of this season.

I agree it would never happen in the mens game but LFC have subsidised supporters travelling to away games.

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Re: Champions league changes approved.
« Reply #77 on: May 11, 2022, 10:53:19 am »
Villareal only did it as they've never been there before.

They were in the semi final in 2006

Annoyed me that BT commentary completely ignored this, calling our tie the biggest game in their history. Just no regard whatsoever for the semi final in 2006, or the European final they won last season.
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Re: Champions league changes approved.
« Reply #78 on: May 11, 2022, 11:05:35 am »
They did with the womens team. Put on free coaches for hundreds of travelling fans for most of this season.

I agree it would never happen in the mens game but LFC have subsidised supporters travelling to away games.

I was referring to the mens game and travel overseas. I had no idea about the womens team as I don't have an interest in them.

They were in the semi final in 2006

Annoyed me that BT commentary completely ignored this, calling our tie the biggest game in their history. Just no regard whatsoever for the semi final in 2006, or the European final they won last season.

Were they really? I was living on my own that year and chose not to have a telly, so other than going to our games, I didn't follow the CL and I lost all interest in it after we went out to Benfica.
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Re: Champions league changes approved.
« Reply #79 on: May 11, 2022, 11:05:58 am »
Really annoying that the super league fiasco has allowed UEFA to take the moral high-ground when we all know they exist merely to maximise revenues and care not a jot for the game itself. These changes do nothing to make the game more attractive, but will potentially provide additional revenues, a big chunk of which goes to competing clubs, so on we go.

Answering a poster earlier in the thread, I only invest in LFC, and no interest in anything which doesn't involve them. Haven't subscribed to SKY for decades, as soon as I saw what Murdoch was up to. Had BT for a while (free mainly) but ditched that a couple of seasons back when they showed they want exactly the same as SKY and all the other parties football has sold its soul to. I subscribe to LFC TV and watch games when it suits me. Try to get to as many games in person as I can, because that remains the most important fan interaction in my book. Richards, Neville, and Carragher are nothing to me and I don't want to hear what hey think (sic). If Liverpool revert to life under Hodgson, I would have very little involvement in the game which I have loved since a small child. That is quite sad I think. Really not sure how we get the genie back in the bottle, but I imagine it involves the money bubble popping at some point. Maybe another league becomes the play thing of the super rich? Germany seems to have a better balance, but that huge market sees very few top players being bought by its clubs; a one-sided championship; and limited success in pan-European competitions. I might quite like the thought of less money in our game, but you only have to look at each club's transfer page on its fan forum (including our own) to see that a huge amount of fans want the next shiny thing. So, I guess I'm old-fashioned and out of touch, but as I approach 60, maybe I'm allowed that.

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