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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - END GAME
« Reply #13520 on: January 25, 2022, 04:24:20 pm »
He can't be on that much, surely.
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« Reply #13521 on: January 25, 2022, 04:27:14 pm »
That's what the typical sources are saying (Transfermarkt etc) - I'd always take it with a pinch of salt but it wouldn't surprise me if he got 10x his original wage in the negotiations.
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« Reply #13522 on: January 25, 2022, 04:35:18 pm »

We've got a good track record of buying players in that £30m/£40m bracket, who we then improve and they go onto become top tier players.

But we've also signed some who haven't paid off, like Keita, Thiago, even AOC (although he was coming good before his first big injury)

These players often need time to bed in, and there's no guarantee they reach the level they need to reach to help us seriously compete for the PL and CL season after season.

It's also seems to be getting more difficult to pick these players up without some other clubs becoming aware and trying to muscle in.

In contrast, the two big-money signings - VVD and Alisson - have slotted in from the start and been as good as (better than!) their hefty price tags suggested they should.

Signing a proven top-tier player doesn't guarantee they will perform brilliantly at the new club, but it removes a whole lot of chance.

My fear is that as Mane, Firmino and - most crucially - Salah age and decline, they are not replaced with the same level of quality, so the team's effectiveness overall reduces and we can no longer compete to the same level as now (and still only finished above Abu Dhabi once since Klopp arrived).

Signing Nkunku for £40-50m and watching him develop into a Salah-quality player would be amazing, and way more satisfying than signing [say] Mbappe and seeing him deliver what we expect. But signing Nkunku for £40-50m and watching him struggle to reproduce anything like his Bundesliga form would set us back hugely (we couldn't then just write him off then go out and spunk another £40-50m on a new forward)
It's strange really - those big 2 really delivered for us but some of the mega deals haven't done much despite the price tag - The 3 Barcelona signings, Pogba for Utd, slabhead, Sancho so far although it's early days, ditto Grealish. Werner at Chelsea then Lukaku.

I agree Keita has underwhelmed generally, his injuries have been niggles relative to the one Ox got. I can see why Thiago was a gamble worth taking, because he's not a huge long term financial drain.

What you've said is right though, we simply have to get the majority of our big money signings right because we can't afford to just discard them at a big loss and go and buy next years model. This is exactly why the rantings of the City cheerleaders in the media is/was so inaccurate when they went on about how they'd never spent as big as us on a player and that Van Dijk and Alisson meant that we were just as big spenders as them. They can just keep going until they get it right, whereas we can't. They can have a squad of 18 on £10m plus per year and keep them happy.

It's also a reminder to those who think we should spend more, because how much will be enough to compete with City?

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - END GAME
« Reply #13523 on: January 25, 2022, 04:39:00 pm »
Crap source like. ;D

Newcastle have opened talks with Liverpool over a move for Nat Phillips, with the Magpies hoping to arrange a loan deal with the obligation to buy the centre-back if they stay up.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - END GAME
« Reply #13524 on: January 25, 2022, 04:45:19 pm »
Brewster being so bad at Sheff Utd was the final straw really.

Teams now now Liverpool have been getting great money for young players.

Solanke has really came good at Bournemouth though

Honestly, the mind boggles that you think professional scouts and people of that ilk are going to think 'Yeah we like the player, but remember Brewster. Its probably a trick'
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« Reply #13525 on: January 25, 2022, 05:14:51 pm »
Feels like we're losing our mojo a bit when it comes to offloading fringe/unwanted players for decent money.

Well, we've got £12 million for Wilson, £10.5 million for Grujic and £6.5 million for Awoniyi in the middle of a pandemic, so that is probably not true ...

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« Reply #13526 on: January 25, 2022, 06:40:13 pm »
Awoniyi also has some decent stats this year
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« Reply #13527 on: January 25, 2022, 08:03:53 pm »
Feels like we're losing our mojo a bit when it comes to offloading fringe/unwanted players for decent money.

Feels like the bloke in charge has taken his eye off the ball.
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« Reply #13528 on: January 25, 2022, 08:20:15 pm »
Feels like the bloke in charge has taken his eye off the ball.

Really? We are blaming Edwards for the pandemic now?

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« Reply #13529 on: January 25, 2022, 08:24:25 pm »
Really? We are blaming Edwards for the pandemic now?

Yes. If he had been paying attention it would have stopped at Delta and never reached Omicron. Clearly.

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« Reply #13530 on: January 25, 2022, 08:28:59 pm »
https://twitter.com/TheAthleticUK/status/1486059043458277376

Jimbo Pearce openly talking about our interest in Fabio Carvalho on a podcast.  I think it's done, no way would a journo linked closely to a club talk like this openly about a signing if it wasn't done.

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« Reply #13531 on: January 25, 2022, 08:29:43 pm »
Really hope we can raise significant funds selling fringe players otherwise if we look at the previous seasons Klopp will be given roughly a 20 million net spend to compete with the big boys.

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« Reply #13532 on: January 25, 2022, 08:56:39 pm »
https://twitter.com/TheAthleticUK/status/1486059043458277376

Jimbo Pearce openly talking about our interest in Fabio Carvalho on a podcast.  I think it's done, no way would a journo linked closely to a club talk like this openly about a signing if it wasn't done.

Not seen him play but given he's doing very well in the Championship at a young age and price (tribunal) it'd make sense. I think we need two midfielders this summer but I wouldn't be foolish enough to think we'll be spending 50 million on both. One is always going to be younger and cheaper if we were to bring two in, which you'd like to think we are. He's certainly one to watch out for then so I'm looking forward to seeing him impress then join Chelsea  ;D

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - END GAME
« Reply #13533 on: January 25, 2022, 08:58:25 pm »
Not seen him play but given he's doing very well in the Championship at a young age and price (tribunal) it'd make sense. I think we need two midfielders this summer but I wouldn't be foolish enough to think we'll be spending 50 million on both. One is always going to be younger and cheaper if we were to bring two in, which you'd like to think we are. He's certainly one to watch out for then so I'm looking forward to seeing him impress then join Chelsea  ;D

Curious whether Carvalho would be a midfielder or attacker for us...

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« Reply #13534 on: January 25, 2022, 09:01:18 pm »
Really hope we can raise significant funds selling fringe players otherwise if we look at the previous seasons Klopp will be given roughly a 20 million net spend to compete with the big boys.

We've done alright so far though, or does winning a CL and a PL not count 🤷

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« Reply #13535 on: January 25, 2022, 09:41:58 pm »
Curious whether Carvalho would be a midfielder or attacker for us...

It'd be really left field if he was an attacking signing I feel (meaning as part of the forward line) - Of course he wouldn't be replacing Bobby as the false nine or Mane's spot, but I just can't see it being the case. Not to say he can't be moulded into that sort of player like, I'd just guess not.

We're better off in the midfield position right now than we are in the attack, plus he's young and cheap. As I said I think (and hope) we're after two midfielders this summer if a couple are off, and I'd expect one to cost a decent chunk, and another to be a more frugal purchase, someone young with potential and time to grow. That seems to point towards an arrival like Carvalho. If we do make these signings and get them right it could really help set the midfield up going forward.

Similar to two midfielders coming in, I'd expect similar for the attack. A starting quality player who'll cost us a bit, Jota style perhaps and someone for a rotational role, cost effective ala Minamino. It's all massively hypothetical like, we might sign one player like we did last summer but surely not this time around. Contracts may have a big say on incomings. I don't really expect four senior additions, but I'd have to hope at least two come in. We might decide somebody like Kaide Gordon is ready to take on first team responsibilities, that could have a say.
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« Reply #13536 on: January 25, 2022, 09:54:17 pm »
He's an Attacking mid that plays on the wings on occasions, no idea why you think we'd convert him into another Harvey Elliott mate.  ;D

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« Reply #13537 on: January 25, 2022, 09:54:48 pm »
Brewster being so bad at Sheff Utd was the final straw really.

Teams now now Liverpool have been getting great money for young players.

Solanke has really came good at Bournemouth though

Not necessarily. It's different circumstances. Harry Wilson ended up flopping at Bournemouth halved his transfer value for example. The market in general was dead the last two summers with very little business about, so it was no longer a seller's market. Losing Edwards certainly won't help either.

Often the players we'd be willing to move on are either injury prone and on big money which is a value killer (Ox/Origi/Keita) and we haven't got a glut of loan players storming The Championship or the Prem (Chelsea always have a few) which always gives you the big sell on (i.e. Brewster).

We'd have hoped Clarkson and Rhys Williams would boss it in The Championship this season. They couldn't get a kick and have been recalled.

We haven't really got any big loans this season working. Glatzel doing decent at Tranmere in League Two, Sepp at Preston, but that's it. Last season for example we had Owiniyu, Grujic and Wilson who were then sold last summer and Brewster the year before. Added to Elliott earning a first team place after a good season at Blackburn. We won't be getting decent money in the summer out of selling players after loans. Our loans have been a dead end this year.

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« Reply #13538 on: January 25, 2022, 10:02:10 pm »
He's an Attacking mid that plays on the wings on occasions, no idea why you think we'd convert him into another Harvey Elliott mate.  ;D

Wait, there's no way we're buying him as an 8 surely?

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« Reply #13539 on: January 25, 2022, 10:16:13 pm »
Carvalho Samie, you say… is it another hoax? I’ve lost confidence since the weekend.
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« Reply #13540 on: January 25, 2022, 10:19:48 pm »
Curious whether Carvalho would be a midfielder or attacker for us...

Attacker would be my guess, now that is from the small snippets ive seen of him mind.
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« Reply #13541 on: January 25, 2022, 10:20:57 pm »
Carvalho Samie, you say… is it another hoax? I’ve lost confidence since the weekend.

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« Reply #13542 on: January 25, 2022, 10:23:30 pm »
Manchester United, Liverpool, Chelsea and Manchester City will try to sign Endrick when he turns 16 in July.

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« Reply #13543 on: January 25, 2022, 10:33:28 pm »
Manchester United, Liverpool, Chelsea and Manchester City will try to sign Endrick when he turns 16 in July.

https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1486100109242871813
He's going to Real from the majority of those comments.
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« Reply #13544 on: January 25, 2022, 10:38:11 pm »
He's going to Real from the majority of those comments.

Maybe. Or maybe he will decide to follow Firmino, Alisson, Fabinho and Pitaluga to LFC ...

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« Reply #13545 on: January 25, 2022, 10:42:51 pm »
Carvalho Samie, you say… is it another hoax? I’ve lost confidence since the weekend.

Believing El Lobo will do that mate.

 I just base it on Pearce openly admitting we're interested. He never does that unless we're close or already signed a player. He's too close to the club for him to be be bullshiting like this.

Samie is a hoax.

This might be true.

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« Reply #13546 on: January 25, 2022, 10:52:26 pm »
I think we maybe underestimate or don't fully understand the dual impact of Edwards (team) finding the right selections (great potential) at the right price coupled with the system, coaching and development of Klopp’s team. I think both factors are key to our success. They really seem to be able to add massive playing value to the right type of selected talent (Doesn’t have to be a finished article or a very high cost acquisition). It is likely Klopp’s team could have done this more successfully with Werner (for example) after some time to integrate and develop to the system. (and We did seem interested pre-pandemic and before Chelsea jumped in) 
I think we have a high success rate on transfers due to both selection at right potential/price and amazing player development. This is a big differentiator, that clearly gets us more for less outlay. Looking at it another way - I would bet Jota would not shine like he has at say United (great potential, but shit system, structure and development). We really are way overachieving the norm with the set-up we have. As long as we can maintain this, our priority is to identify potential and develop/improve our systems. The financials (constraints?) then can more fit our model and still bring us success.

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« Reply #13547 on: January 25, 2022, 10:53:28 pm »
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« Reply #13548 on: January 25, 2022, 11:40:02 pm »
Curious whether Carvalho would be a midfielder or attacker for us...
He hadn't signed yet.

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« Reply #13549 on: January 25, 2022, 11:52:14 pm »
Curious whether Carvalho would be a midfielder or attacker for us...

A false 9, I suppose ...

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« Reply #13550 on: January 26, 2022, 12:18:06 am »
I thought the same as Samie regarding Pearce & the potential Carvalho signing.

He doesn't tend to write articles about possible signings unless there's some substance (subscription required):

https://theathletic.com/3082148/2022/01/21/fabio-carvalhos-future-fulham-liverpool-and-a-free-scoring-prodigy-managed-by-his-family/

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« Reply #13551 on: January 26, 2022, 12:35:45 am »
If we’re taking Carvalho’s signing as a given because Pearce is talking about the possibility, then I look forward to seeing how he lines up with Jarrod Bowen next season  ;)

Seriously though, I think when journos have our interested confirmed in a player by the club - as seems to be the case with Carvalho - then they’re bound to talk about it a lot. Sarr was mentioned tons last summer because he was the only name the club seemed willing to confirm as an attacking target (and some would argue it was a smokescreen, although I don’t subscribe to that).

FWIW I think the Carvalho stuff sounds solid but I wouldn’t be assuming it’s a done deal yet.

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« Reply #13552 on: January 26, 2022, 12:48:47 am »
If we’re taking Carvalho’s signing as a given because Pearce is talking about the possibility, then I look forward to seeing how he lines up with Jarrod Bowen next season  ;)

Seriously though, I think when journos have our interested confirmed in a player by the club - as seems to be the case with Carvalho - then they’re bound to talk about it a lot. Sarr was mentioned tons last summer because he was the only name the club seemed willing to confirm as an attacking target (and some would argue it was a smokescreen, although I don’t subscribe to that).

FWIW I think the Carvalho stuff sounds solid but I wouldn’t be assuming it’s a done deal yet.

Since Carvalho is out of contract in the summer, I assume that we have some sort of an agreement with him and his family, since Pearce is talking openly about it. Still, nothing can be official at this stage, so we better leave it as it is. I like the kid, and I think that he has something of Coutinho to his game, and I will be pleased if he indeed join us in the summer ...

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« Reply #13553 on: January 26, 2022, 12:55:27 am »
There was another rumour we started by Jersey and lfsea, my fellow transfer mods in 2013. Just when it was announced we were close to signing Coutinho they started a few Twitter rumours that Spurs had hijacked the deal at the last minute (it was around the time they were signing a lot of our targets). They definitely reeled a few in, including Spurs fans.

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« Reply #13554 on: January 26, 2022, 01:30:48 am »
A false 9, I suppose ...
Feels like he could be play false 9, Elliott spot or Mane role.

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« Reply #13555 on: January 26, 2022, 04:09:42 am »
He's an Attacking mid that plays on the wings on occasions, no idea why you think we'd convert him into another Harvey Elliott mate.  ;D

We converted Harvey because he didnt have enough pace. This Carvalho kid seems to be quite quick in comparison but I have only seen him on youtube so cant be sure, but essentially what we lack on our wings is another pacy option behind Sadio/Mo because Jota is great but he is not the quickest either.

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« Reply #13556 on: January 26, 2022, 04:19:31 am »
Manchester United, Liverpool, Chelsea and Manchester City will try to sign Endrick when he turns 16 in July.

https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1486100109242871813
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« Reply #13557 on: January 26, 2022, 04:21:12 am »
We converted Harvey because he didnt have enough pace. This Carvalho kid seems to be quite quick in comparison but I have only seen him on youtube so cant be sure, but essentially what we lack on our wings is another pacy option behind Sadio/Mo because Jota is great but he is not the quickest either.
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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - END GAME
« Reply #13558 on: January 26, 2022, 06:06:07 am »
15 year old?  Right!  LOL
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Cant sign him until 2024. Only City could through one of their other clubs, i think they have a brazilian club, but not an option for us.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - END GAME
« Reply #13559 on: January 26, 2022, 07:08:29 am »
Manchester United, Liverpool, Chelsea and Manchester City will try to sign Endrick when he turns 16 in July.

https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1486100109242871813

It's been a while since we've been in for a 'generational talent' as that article puts it. I'm in.
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