Author Topic: Torres - The Reasons for Leaving - by Sid Lowe (Read 335952 times)

Mutton Geoff · « **Reply #560 on:** February 5, 2011, 12:44:31 am »

Quote from: ThePrufeshanul on February 5, 2011, 12:27:14 am

1. except he didnt say that
2. so a few fans gave him some hand signals - sorry I forgot that when Torres made his statement it had to apply to evey single last Chelsea fan he had eve encountered - what a childish point
3. Real heroes some of whom flirted with joining Chelsea on mor ethan one occasion (and in fact texted Mourinho to tell him he had decided to sign) and engineered the sacking of the manager

Reade is just pandering to the anger of the fans who just want to slag off the player rather than identifying the real problem. His arguments are so weak and tenuous as to make the rest of his article laughable.

you seem to put this guy above the club why?

are you not a little sad about his actions given that he would never play for another prem team, his words nobody made him say that!

As for Brian Reade one of the best journalists in the business!

I find however your eagerness to defend this mercenary while trying to bring Stevie into this discussion alarming and maybe revealing!

The Rawker · « **Reply #561 on:** February 5, 2011, 12:46:48 am »

Gerrard first to congratulate Torres apparently...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/feb/05/fernando-torres-liverpool-chelsea

Is it just me, or should we really forget about this cnut now and move on?

He lied, we bought it, truth's out now. Forget it.

Keith Lard · « **Reply #562 on:** February 5, 2011, 12:47:40 am »

I read this on the Guardian site: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/feb/05/fernando-torres-liverpool-chelsea?

Makes me understand Torres' reasoning to be honest. But wow, never thought he was such a detached character. I always thought he was more emotional. He's definitely changed. But he right about one thing - he scored goals for us, we more than doubled our money on him, and he hung around until the club was sold. As the days go by, I'm not so bothered he left and don't wish him bad. I still feel much more connection to Torres than Owen. I don't think Torres is a bad guy ... he's just going through a phase of trying to achieve professional goals whilst at his peak. But I do think he may look back on this and regret what he has done. That's life eh.

Lush is the best medicine... · « **Reply #563 on:** February 5, 2011, 12:50:11 am »

Quote from: lawrie on February 5, 2011, 12:44:24 am

when he says he never kissed our badge - am I dreaming or did he bite it once (or doesnt that count?)

mancs at home last season iirc

THELEFTBACK · « **Reply #564 on:** February 5, 2011, 12:50:14 am »

Quote from: Raoul Duke on February 5, 2011, 12:05:36 am

Reade is a proper journalist.

Hmmm!
To quote Wiki:-

Brian Reade is an award-winning writer who has two weekly opinion columns, one on sports, for the Daily Mirror. He has interviewed many well-known people including Mohammed Ali.

He began his journalism career working on the Reading Evening Post in 1980 and became a columnist on the Liverpool Echo in 1991 before moving to the Mirror in 1994.

In 2000 he was named Columnist of The Year at The British Press Gazette Awards, and in 2003 was named Sports Columnist of The Year in the Sports Journalism Awards.

In 2008 Reade became a presenter on radio station City Talk 105.9 and released his first book, entitled 43 Years With The Same Bird, documenting his life spent following Liverpool FC.

He's more qualified than I am to write,but it's not my profession.Not having a go at the bloke.It's just that sometimes an "outside" writer might just have a more objective take on matters.

Sammy5IsAlive · « **Reply #565 on:** February 5, 2011, 12:51:44 am »

Quote from: geoffstrong on February 5, 2011, 12:44:31 am

are you not a little sad about his actions given that he would never play for another prem team, his words nobody made him say that!

I kind of agree with that but at the same time can you imagine the reaction if he had been honest and said that he would only stay with us so long as we were winning? If players all over the land were being completely candid about their career plans and how their current clubs fit into that then I could understand the anger but I don't see how Torres' actions are a massive surprise to anyone?

TelAvivRed · « **Reply #566 on:** February 5, 2011, 01:01:53 am »

Quote from: Siannn. on February 4, 2011, 01:24:58 am

I'm not sure why we're speculating on his mental state all of a sudden. It's not very nice.

It's hardly 'all of a sudden'- I suspect a lot of us have been doing that since the World Cup and after. A lot of us could be accused of (falsely) judging Hodgson on the basis that 'FT doesn't look happy'. By falsely I of course mean that FT or no FT Hodgson would still be useless.

But that is what really bugs me about all this. He will not experience the support or patience experienced here, if, G-d willing, he should fail at Chelsea. In-Towners might be spared this, but the rest of us will be treated to remarks like how FT is 'useless', 'never rated him', 'waste of money' or whatever else these clueless and classless c*nts can come up with it.

Not that I'd feel sorry him, but I would feel incensed and annoyed about plastic-flag waving ignorant monkeys spewing ungrateful crap about someone who was, after all, lining up to be a true Red Great, but in the end decided not to be (remembered in 50 years (for that)).

Sammy5IsAlive · « **Reply #567 on:** February 5, 2011, 01:07:51 am »

Quote from: TelAvivRed on February 5, 2011, 01:01:53 am

It's hardly 'all of a sudden'- I suspect a lot of us have been doing that since the World Cup and after. A lot of us could be accused of (falsely) judging Hodgson on the basis that 'FT doesn't look happy'. By falsely I of course mean that FT or no FT Hodgson would still be useless.

But that is what really bugs me about all this. He will not experience the support or patience experienced here, if, G-d willing, he should fail at Chelsea. In-Towners might be spared this, but the rest of us will be treated to remarks like how FT is 'useless', 'never rated him', 'waste of money' or whatever else these clueless and classless c*nts can come up with it.

Not that I'd feel sorry him, but I would feel incensed and annoyed about plastic-flag waving ignorant monkeys spewing ungrateful crap about someone who was, after all, lining up to be a true Red Great, but in the end decided not to be (remembered in 50 years (for that)).

I wouldn't be upset about that at all. In fact if that happened I would very much be of the opinion that you reap what you sow. Torres has given up what he has at a club that had taken him to heart and has real heritage in favour of winning trophies. If he can't win trophies with them then he deserves everything he gets.

Kraken · « **Reply #568 on:** February 5, 2011, 01:09:52 am »

Quote from: lawrie on February 5, 2011, 12:44:24 am

when he says he never kissed our badge - am I dreaming or did he bite it once (or doesnt that count?)

He missed the badge, so he wasn't lying

vivabobbygraham · « **Reply #569 on:** February 5, 2011, 01:18:01 am »

Quote from: THELEFTBACK on February 5, 2011, 12:50:14 am

Hmmm!
To quote Wiki:-

Brian Reade is an award-winning writer who has two weekly opinion columns, one on sports, for the Daily Mirror. He has interviewed many well-known people including Mohammed Ali.

He began his journalism career working on the Reading Evening Post in 1980 and became a columnist on the Liverpool Echo in 1991 before moving to the Mirror in 1994.

In 2000 he was named Columnist of The Year at The British Press Gazette Awards, and in 2003 was named Sports Columnist of The Year in the Sports Journalism Awards.

In 2008 Reade became a presenter on radio station City Talk 105.9 and released his first book, entitled 43 Years With The Same Bird, documenting his life spent following Liverpool FC.

He's more qualified than I am to write,but it's not my profession.Not having a go at the bloke.It's just that sometimes an "outside" writer might just have a more objective take on matters.

Are you saying Sid Lowe is an 'outside' writer in this matter?

TelAvivRed · « **Reply #570 on:** February 5, 2011, 01:25:05 am »

It would still jarr thoúgh, wouldn't it?

But you're right. How many thousands of players won trophies, but no-one remembers them today? (I know, this is a weird point for a Liverpool fan to make.) Compare that to becoming a true legend with a team, that would last. If you'll permit an example from my home country Denmark, and my home town team AGF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aarhus_Gymnastikforening), but I sure I've heard of players like Tom Bonde or Torben Mikkelsen. The great crowd pleasers of the 70's, before I was born. Danish Champions 1976? I dunno off the cuff, and hence can't name any players either., So, who had the better career? Who will be remembered? Or for that matter God vs FT, or what FT could've been, but squandered. Silverware Shmilvervare. People will remember the winning team, but not the players.

Sammy5IsAlive · « **Reply #571 on:** February 5, 2011, 01:27:28 am »

Quote from: vivabobbygraham on February 5, 2011, 01:18:01 am

Are you saying Sid Lowe is an 'outside' writer in this matter?

My understanding is that Sid Lowe is an English journalist in Spain with very few sentimental links to anyone over there. As far as I know he has no 'debts' to pay to Torres, and given that none of the Spanish clubs are involved he doesn't have to queer anyones patch by reporting the truth on Torres. He's to good a journalist to simply repeat what he's told by Torres' camp, but at the same time he's going to write when he has an indication of how Torres' mindset may have been. As has been said right at the start of the thread I don't think it is news to any of us that the motivation behind Torres' move was a professional one rather than a financial one.

vivabobbygraham · « **Reply #572 on:** February 5, 2011, 01:29:07 am »

Hmmmm

To quote Wiki;

Simon Lowe, better known as Sid Lowe, (born, June 21, 1976, in Forest Gate) is a Madrid-based British columnist who has been covering Spanish football for The Guardian newspaper and Guardian Unlimited website since 2001

Not having a go at the bloke.It's just that sometimes an "outside" writer might just have a more objective take on matters.

drpepe · « **Reply #573 on:** February 5, 2011, 01:30:10 am »

bit of a horrendous thread this one

full of bile and bullshit

best of luck fernando (afte sunday!), you gave your best for the time you were here and unfortunately it coincided with a bad time for the club

TelAvivRed · « **Reply #574 on:** February 5, 2011, 01:34:59 am »

Quote from: vivabobbygraham on February 5, 2011, 01:29:07 am

Hmmmm

To quote Wiki;

Simon Lowe, better known as Sid Lowe, (born, June 21, 1976, in Forest Gate) is a Madrid-based British columnist who has been covering Spanish football for The Guardian newspaper and Guardian Unlimited website since 2001

Not having a go at the bloke.It's just that sometimes an "outside" writer might just have a more objective take on matters.

Spain correspondent for World Soccer, a magazine I respect immensely, for years. Good, thought provoking, article too.

Rafa Rulz · « **Reply #575 on:** February 5, 2011, 01:35:16 am »

I know journalists are stirring shit, but Torres should shut up about Liverpool - he moved on and for better or worse has to live with his decision. So on the 9th of January he was pledging his future to Liverpool and 5 days later he wanted to leave? Can we believe anything that he says? He can talk away, I won't be listening anymore!

Red_Isle_Chap · « **Reply #576 on:** February 5, 2011, 01:44:21 am »

Quote from: Rafa Rulz on February 5, 2011, 01:35:16 am

I know journalists are stirring shit, but Torres should shut up about Liverpool - he moved on and for better or worse has to live with his decision. So on the 9th of January he was pledging his future to Liverpool and 5 days later he wanted to leave? Can we believe anything that he says? He can talk away, I won't be listening anymore!

It's all turning into a bit of a car crash. I think people are allowed to dislike the lad for the way he left, but we, as a whole, need to move on and forget him. Erase him from your minds and look to the future.

With regard to him shutting up about us, he's being asked. I said the same thing after Xabi left (and i was a lot more upset over that than i am over Torres going) and got fed up with him always having something to say about us, until someone explained to me that it wasn't him, he was just being asked by the journo's and answering the questions.

Seriously though, let's move on eh. The Torres issue is starting to consume us a bit, we need to concentrate on supporting the team and the manager and just ignore everyone else.

Stussy · « **Reply #577 on:** February 5, 2011, 01:50:27 am »

Quote from: Red_Isle_Chap on February 5, 2011, 01:44:21 am

Seriously though, let's move on eh. The Torres issue is starting to consume us a bit, we need to concentrate on supporting the team and the manager and just ignore everyone else.

That'll happen after Sunday and we get into the swing of things with the rest of the season, especially if (when) we keep winning, and our new signings start firing. The fixture coming so soon after the transfer has kept it bubbling away, but after that, a line will be drawn.

The adventure with Kenny will erase it all as well, just watch.

Rafa Rulz · « **Reply #578 on:** February 5, 2011, 01:59:06 am »

Quote from: Red_Isle_Chap on February 5, 2011, 01:44:21 am

Seriously though, let's move on eh. The Torres issue is starting to consume us a bit, we need to concentrate on supporting the team and the manager and just ignore everyone else.

Agreed, to paraphrase the words of a European Cup winning Liverpool manager: "I am focused on following and supporting my team." (:

redoneusa · « **Reply #579 on:** February 5, 2011, 02:03:54 am »

Looks like he has wanted out since last year: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/9387132.stm

Dress it up how you like he has moved for his own reasons. And we are better off without him. The new Owen.

cyador · « **Reply #580 on:** February 5, 2011, 02:03:58 am »

I really really hope over the next 3 to 4 years we win more than chelsea. Serve him right if he had no club trophies to show.

gallden · « **Reply #581 on:** February 5, 2011, 02:07:41 am »

http://twitpic.com/3wkbu2

Vladi Legend · « **Reply #582 on:** February 5, 2011, 02:15:14 am »

Oh my god what a bunch of (plastic flag waving) whoppers!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B5ftOV3FYA

Lille Camille · « **Reply #583 on:** February 5, 2011, 02:21:44 am »

How long before Suarez bites the badge? Will Torres just go away he is getting annoying.

deadlybuzz · « **Reply #584 on:** February 5, 2011, 02:47:43 am »

Quote from: lawrie on February 5, 2011, 12:44:24 am

when he says he never kissed our badge - am I dreaming or did he bite it once (or doesnt that count?)

He claims he never did (and I believe him because I don't remember him ever doing it) but neither did Alonso. It makes no difference to me.

tdonline · « **Reply #585 on:** February 5, 2011, 02:51:43 am »

Quote from: Magic8Ball on February 5, 2011, 12:27:34 am

Whenever I hear people saying he should have left last summer I like to remind them that had he done so we most likely would not have new owners.

Or that there were offers and he was told he couldn't go. He could have agitated for a move, made it a real drama but no he kept his mouth and came back. And it was a happy 5 months wasn't it? The offer came back again and this time he jumped. Not going to blame him for that. Would it have better if he gone in the summer? Fee would have never seen the light of day and it would have been harder to find good owners.

tdonline · « **Reply #586 on:** February 5, 2011, 02:56:25 am »

Quote from: vishy01234 on February 5, 2011, 12:47:40 am

I read this on the Guardian site: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/feb/05/fernando-torres-liverpool-chelsea?

Makes me understand Torres' reasoning to be honest. But wow, never thought he was such a detached character. I always thought he was more emotional. He's definitely changed.

Go back and read some of his earlier interviews, yes, even the ones during his first year here. He can be brutally frank and I remember some people appreciating it. He left Atletico to win trophies and he's done the same to Liverpool. He's not changed all that much.

PIPA23 · « **Reply #587 on:** February 5, 2011, 02:57:00 am »

lol 15 pages...

tdonline · « **Reply #588 on:** February 5, 2011, 02:59:10 am »

Quote from: Rafa Rulz on February 5, 2011, 01:35:16 am

I know journalists are stirring shit, but Torres should shut up about Liverpool - he moved on and for better or worse has to live with his decision. So on the 9th of January he was pledging his future to Liverpool and 5 days later he wanted to leave? Can we believe anything that he says? He can talk away, I won't be listening anymore!

That interview has never been confirmed as real. It bears repeating apparently.

Scousebeef · « **Reply #589 on:** February 5, 2011, 03:02:58 am »

Great clubs are made by great players. You cant buy greatness or transfer yourself into it!!

Scarlet` · « **Reply #590 on:** February 5, 2011, 03:24:09 am »

Quote from: Vladi Legend on February 5, 2011, 02:15:14 am

Oh my god what a bunch of (plastic flag waving) whoppers!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B5ftOV3FYA

So their plastic fans can't come up with a song and Chelsea TV has to make a gay one for them...........

I was playing the old Winning Eleven and looking at how many players went to Chelsea to retire after a big money move (or big wage move).........

Shevchenko
Deco
Ballack

heroes123 · « **Reply #591 on:** February 5, 2011, 03:35:23 am »

my god, i want us to win this sunday so badly it hurts....
and hopefully pip all the others for the fourth spot.

tdonline · « **Reply #592 on:** February 5, 2011, 03:48:22 am »

Quote from: Antaros on February 5, 2011, 03:35:26 am

So, most of Liverpool supporters were wrong. Fernando Torres is not a shy and lovely guy.

Why can't he be ambitious and pragmatic and shy and dare I say it, a lovely guy? People have multiple layers.

Alonso_The_Assassin · « **Reply #593 on:** February 5, 2011, 03:54:30 am »

Quote from: vishy01234 on February 5, 2011, 12:47:40 am

I read this on the Guardian site: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/feb/05/fernando-torres-liverpool-chelsea?

Makes me understand Torres' reasoning to be honest. But wow, never thought he was such a detached character. I always thought he was more emotional. He's definitely changed.

Never thought he was an emotional character to be honest. I also can't remembering him kissing our badge.

Torres was always the quiet guy. You never see him out with the other lads other than for the obligatory LFC Xmas parties.

Kept to himself apart from his play station challanges with Pepe and Arteta.

End of the day, we have to move on. No point worrying what others are doing. We've done it for years with the fucking Mancs. Who gives a fuck? Let's starting worrying about ourselves.

Robotforaday · « **Reply #594 on:** February 5, 2011, 03:58:57 am »

I wish he'd talked this way earlier, then we could have seen that he was just a football playing android and had no real interest in anything to do with the emotion or romance of football. If we'd known that was the case, we wouldn't have cared so much.

beliverpool · « **Reply #595 on:** February 5, 2011, 04:10:38 am »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxSTT2Wfx3k

I am that sort of form is long gone in him ..

MagicB8all · « **Reply #596 on:** February 5, 2011, 04:16:44 am »

Quote from: beliverpool on February 5, 2011, 04:10:38 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxSTT2Wfx3k

I am that sort of form is long gone in him ..

the team that Rafa built.... Sigh - let's just remember him that way and move on.

heroes123 · « **Reply #597 on:** February 5, 2011, 04:18:00 am »

"never kissed the liverpool badge"

Wow, how about that. Feels like you lover tells you, "i never really care about you"

Ouch... anyway... fuck him... we got Carroll and Suarez. YEAH !

beliverpool · « **Reply #598 on:** February 5, 2011, 04:19:24 am »

Quote from: gallden on February 5, 2011, 02:07:41 am

http://twitpic.com/3wkbu2

He Never kissed the badge as much as i wanted that to be the case , the video of the goal shows it was mere biting of the Jersey:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MizVgzQrj0

woof · « **Reply #599 on:** February 5, 2011, 04:23:52 am »

Time to forget about Torres (but not necessarily forgive). As loyal supporters of the club, we know no player/manager is larger than the club. For disloyal subjects, we wish them.... hell, especially on Sunday.