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Re: Pink Floyd
« Reply #400 on: June 6, 2023, 10:12:00 pm »
Roger Waters can be a bit bonkers about certain subjects, but his views on the rogue state of Israel and its treatment of the Palestinians are spot on.
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« Reply #401 on: June 7, 2023, 09:52:56 am »
One-eyed. Then again, it's Roger Waters. Not the most balanced fella!
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« Reply #402 on: June 7, 2023, 01:26:09 pm »
But, after the initial 'Us and Them' rant, started to make sense a bit more (I've only watched the first 11 minutes so far though)
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« Reply #403 on: June 7, 2023, 07:43:42 pm »
Why can't we get press conferences like this in the UK

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Re: Pink Floyd
« Reply #404 on: June 8, 2023, 09:34:20 pm »
Starmer is a massive twat.
The Tory Party has no proper socialist opposition with him in charge.

It does.

There's the SWP, the Communist Party of Britain, whatever party Ken Loach is currently in, and probably quite a few others.
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Re: Pink Floyd
« Reply #405 on: June 9, 2023, 12:32:47 am »
Starmer is a massive twat.
The Tory Party has no proper socialist opposition with him in charge.

When was the last time a "proper" socialist party won a GE ?
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« Reply #406 on: June 9, 2023, 12:47:14 am »
Don’t know what people would term a ‘proper’ socialist, but come next year it will be half a century since any Labour leader except Blair won a GE.
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Re: Pink Floyd
« Reply #407 on: June 9, 2023, 08:22:25 am »
Roger Waters can be a bit bonkers about certain subjects, but his views on the rogue state of Israel and its treatment of the Palestinians are spot on.
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Thanks for posting Terry, an interesting video.

He started off a bit egotistical and demented, but there were some required clarifications in there about Ann Frank and the star of David.

Speaking of egotistical and demented, has Starmer really asked for his show to be banned?

Apparently a court in Germany agreed with RW that he is satirising the Nazi's.

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Re: Pink Floyd
« Reply #408 on: June 9, 2023, 09:04:03 am »
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Speaking of egotistical and demented, has Starmer really asked for his show to be banned?

Apparently a court in Germany agreed with RW that he is satirising the Nazi's.

I can't find a reference to Starmer officially asking for it to be banned. There is just:

"but he is now more synonymous with spreading deeply troubling antisemitism, and that is why I believe this show should not be allowed to go ahead.”

With Germany I can only find reference to the criminal investigation due to Nazi references being illegal to display. People complained, shrug

Other more powerful figures to condemn him for antisemitism are Fuckwitted Pob lookalike Fuckwitted Pob lookalike Michael Gove and the Biden administration

I mean don't side with politicians automatically lol

I just took a look as I find the Starmer pinpointing a bit... Specific. When the actual government are condemning it, and basically, if you Google it, it's a mess in the media right now.

Satire always lights a fire under the arse of the establishment though personally I am no closer to being interested in Waters musically than ever.

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Re: Pink Floyd
« Reply #409 on: June 9, 2023, 09:29:44 am »
I can't find a reference to Starmer officially asking for it to be banned. There is just:

"but he is now more synonymous with spreading deeply troubling antisemitism, and that is why I believe this show should not be allowed to go ahead.”

With Germany I can only find reference to the criminal investigation due to Nazi references being illegal to display. People complained, shrug

Other more powerful figures to condemn him for antisemitism are Fuckwitted Pob lookalike Fuckwitted Pob lookalike Fuckwitted Pob lookalike Fuckwitted Pob lookalike Michael Gove and the Biden administration

I mean don't side with politicians automatically lol

I just took a look as I find the Starmer pinpointing a bit... Specific. When the actual government are condemning it, and basically, if you Google it, it's a mess in the media right now.

Satire always lights a fire under the arse of the establishment though personally I am no closer to being interested in Waters musically than ever.
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Gove has criticised RW , which hes entitled to do but I havent seen anything where he has called for a ban.

On the German comment
RW did an interview and claims the court agreed his standpoint that Nazi symbolism is satirical.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgIbr1E9L00

If, as he claims, hes been doing similar shows for decades, why is it only getting attention now. Has he said/done something outside of his shows ?



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« Reply #410 on: June 9, 2023, 10:48:05 am »
I wouldn't ban his concerts and I'd be really disappointed if Keir Starmer called for a ban.

But I think it's right for people to be concerned about what he says at them. He was at it again two nights ago at the 02 arena in London. https://variety.com/2023/music/reviews/roger-waters-controversial-comments-london-concert-review-1235635917/

He's anti-semitic, I've no doubt about that. It's left-wing anti-semitism rather than right-wing, but that's really just splitting hairs. There was plenty of stuff the other night about how Israel secretly controls British elections and political parties, just as it has been said by Waters to control the world's financial system and American foreign policy. Classic Jewish conspiracy stuff. Protocols of the Elders Zion stuff. It's painful hearing kids at these concerts whooping their approval of this sinister shit.

He constantly uses the word "Jews" even when talking about "Israelis" (as he does in the video that someone posted above). I suspect he can't help himself. His views on Israel are completely one-sided and are designed, surely, to upset Jews worldwide. Why else compare Israel to Nazi Germany or the West Bank to the Warsaw Ghetto? Why else say that Israel is bent on genocide in the Middle East? Crazy and ignorant stuff obviously, but it's meant to wound and frighten anyone who's Jewish I think. It sometimes feels that for Waters - and other left-wing anti-semites- that the only good Jews are the ones killed in the Holocaust (Ann Frank etc). They can get behind them. But the living ones? The survivors who went on to found Israel are hated with a passion and singularity that beggars belief when you think about it.

I suspect he doesn't care a shit about Arabs. Certainly, the biggest killer of Arabs over the last 12 years has been Assad and the Syrian regime. But Waters likes Assad and defends the regime. It wasn't too long ago that he was promoting the disgusting idea that the White Helmets were all actors and that the poison bombs that Assad and Russia were pouring on Aleppo and other Syrian towns were fictions and fabrications propagated by the White Helmets and the Western media. Did we hear from waters about the Baathist massacre of Palestinians in the Yarmouk ghetto? Of course not. He doesn't care about them. Assad is anti-Western and therefore Waters gives him a free pass to do what he likes. Really, really sinister stuff.

Naturally, he supports the Putin regime too and chats endless shit about Ukraine and Zelenskiy. Why? Because Putin is anti-Western too. It's all of a piece.

Like I say, I don't want him 'cancelled'. But he should be called out. There's not much danger of him being deprived a voice anyway. It wasn't that long ago that Roger Waters was invited to address the United Nations General Assembly on Ukraine. Waters on Ukraine! A megaphone to address the world! Crazy stuff. I'm sure a lot of folk will remember the occasion. It was a good day for Putin. 



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Re: Pink Floyd
« Reply #411 on: June 9, 2023, 11:55:40 am »
Morning Tone
Gove has criticised RW , which hes entitled to do but I havent seen anything where he has called for a ban.


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Yeah I think what Starmer said is more extreme but the actual government are calling him antisemitic - just a balance thing to me

I think a lot of what's being said at the moment is that Waters is antisemitic. US govt condemning him!

But as a Syd guy here for music and a healthily sceptical view of authority, I don't know if it is damaging Waters. I mean I can't imagine it is good

If you're into him you've probably been through this before (I find it a shame a great new Syd doc is out yet all the world cares about is Waters' stage act...)

I can see why politicians are jumping on an antisemitism bandwagon - antisemitism is disgusting and Waters has lost the plot about it before (I am not hugely aware of everything he's said, but it isn't making me wanna seek the tunes out)

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On the German comment
RW did an interview and claims the court agreed his standpoint that Nazi symbolism is satirical.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgIbr1E9L00

If, as he claims, hes been doing similar shows for decades, why is it only getting attention now. Has he said/done something outside of his shows ?

Ah OK, I don't use video sources much, cheers!

German law is very specific about displaying anything 'Nazism' so not surprised he got in trouble, he always will there perhaps

I did see a picture of his attire
Is it effective satire? Shrug

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Re: Pink Floyd
« Reply #412 on: June 9, 2023, 12:40:36 pm »
The board of deputies put up a letter starmer sent them

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« Reply #413 on: June 9, 2023, 12:48:56 pm »
A good video from Double Down News that includes footage from a cover group doing The Wall in tel Aviv 3 years ago, also uses footage from Waters to show its just the same and he changed nothing

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« Reply #414 on: June 9, 2023, 12:58:08 pm »


Ello!
Yeah I think what Starmer said is more extreme but the actual government are calling him antisemitic - just a balance thing to me

I think a lot of what's being said at the moment is that Waters is antisemitic. US govt condemning him!

But as a Syd guy here for music and a healthily sceptical view of authority, I don't know if it is damaging Waters. I mean I can't imagine it is good

If you're into him you've probably been through this before (I find it a shame a great new Syd doc is out yet all the world cares about is Waters' stage act...)

I can see why politicians are jumping on an antisemitism bandwagon - antisemitism is disgusting and Waters has lost the plot about it before (I am not hugely aware of everything he's said, but it isn't making me wanna seek the tunes out)

Ah OK, I don't use video sources much, cheers!

German law is very specific about displaying anything 'Nazism' so not surprised he got in trouble, he always will there perhaps

I did see a picture of his attire
Is it effective satire? Shrug

Whats a syd  mate never heard that before?  No Im not into Waters or PF, not my thing at all.
After reading Yorkies post it seems hes a bit of a conspiracy theorist, however for balance he condemned Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

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« Reply #415 on: June 9, 2023, 01:12:29 pm »
Whats a syd  mate never heard that before?  No Im not into Waters or PF, not my thing at all.
After reading Yorkies post it seems hes a bit of a conspiracy theorist, however for balance he condemned Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

He's also blamed the West for the invasion & claimed he is on a kill list hasn't he ?
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« Reply #416 on: June 9, 2023, 01:15:37 pm »
Whats a syd  mate never heard that before? 

Possibly the most outrageous thing in this thread  ;D

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« Reply #417 on: June 9, 2023, 01:41:03 pm »
He's also blamed the West for the invasion & claimed he is on a kill list hasn't he ?

Yeah hes claimed to be on a Ukraine hit list, as I sdaid previously hes quite conspiratorial
He said he thought Russia was provoked
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/roger-waters-ukraine-russia-concert-b2195793.html
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« Reply #418 on: June 9, 2023, 02:01:23 pm »
Whats a syd  mate never heard that before?  No Im not into Waters or PF, not my thing at all.
After reading Yorkies post it seems hes a bit of a conspiracy theorist, however for balance he condemned Russia's invasion of Ukraine.



He didn't really Kenny. He did a bit of classic 'throat-clearing' before pinning the blame on NATO, The West, and something he calls 'Ukrainian fascism' (by which means Ukraine). I'd be astonished if he said a bad word against Putin at one of his gigs (during one of his political monologues).

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« Reply #419 on: June 9, 2023, 02:14:00 pm »
He didn't really Kenny. He did a bit of classic 'throat-clearing' before pinning the blame on NATO, The West, and something he calls 'Ukrainian fascism' (by which means Ukraine). I'd be astonished if he said a bad word against Putin at one of his gigs (during one of his political monologues).
"The invasion of Ukraine by the Russian Federation was illegal. I condemn it in the strongest possible terms," he said via video link.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-64580688.

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« Reply #420 on: June 9, 2023, 02:22:33 pm »
The Tory graph interview - won't link directly fuck em but look at this one

https://tass.com/society/1574159

Would have preferred Waters' words directly for the 'More respect to Putin' line

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Well, can he give an example of a time he’s changed his mind due to the evidence?

“Yes, an article I wrote about three months ago calling Vladimir Putin a gangster… That may have been unfair.”

 He explains that he’s become a keen listener to The Duran, a podcast spin-off from a website that has published blogs linked to the anti-Nato hacking group Ghostwriter, and uses the Russian Empire’s two-headed eagle as a logo. After hearing their take on Russia, Waters now has more respect for Putin. “It may be that he’s leading his country to the benefit of all of the people of Russia.”

All of the people of Russia? Almost 200,000 of them who were sent to fight in Ukraine have become casualties of war in the past year. Wouldn’t it be more to the dead people’s benefit if they were alive? “You can’t really have this conversation at all until you go back to 2004"

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« Reply #421 on: June 9, 2023, 02:24:31 pm »
"The invasion of Ukraine by the Russian Federation was illegal. I condemn it in the strongest possible terms," he said via video link.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-64580688.

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When people talk about Ukraine Nazi's, is it that Azoz batallion ?


It's like I said - classic 'throat-clearing'. Stop the War Coaltion do the same. They make a quick bow to the truth and acknowledge the Russian invasion of a sovereign nation. But then the lion's share of the blame is accorded to the West and to Ukraine. I defy you to find Roger Waters (or Stop the War) doing anything else.

As for your other question, I don't know what they have in mind. I think they're just following Putin and describing Ukraine as a Nazi state so that it gives some moral lustre to the invasion. Putin's also very keen on saying that Ukraine has been practising genocide on Russian-speakers. Both these things are such obvious bollocks that it's best not to waste time over why anyone in the West would repeat them. The answer can probably be found in psychiatry.

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« Reply #422 on: June 9, 2023, 03:03:58 pm »
It's like I said - classic 'throat-clearing'. Stop the War Coaltion do the same. They make a quick bow to the truth and acknowledge the Russian invasion of a sovereign nation. But then the lion's share of the blame is accorded to the West and to Ukraine. I defy you to find Roger Waters (or Stop the War) doing anything else.

As for your other question, I don't know what they have in mind. I think they're just following Putin and describing Ukraine as a Nazi state so that it gives some moral lustre to the invasion. Putin's also very keen on saying that Ukraine has been practising genocide on Russian-speakers. Both these things are such obvious bollocks that it's best not to waste time over why anyone in the West would repeat them. The answer can probably be found in psychiatry.

I have a certain degree of sympathy with STW. It is after all a message of peace
https://www.stopwar.org.uk/add-your-name-stop-the-war-in-ukraine-trade-union-statement/

but Id like to ask them if NATO expansion provoked Putin, how does invading Ukraine help?
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Re: Pink Floyd
« Reply #423 on: June 9, 2023, 03:38:44 pm »
The board of deputies put up a letter starmer sent them


So if anyone calls out a bully rogue state they are labeled "Anti-Semite" by Dickhead Starmer?

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« Reply #424 on: June 9, 2023, 03:56:44 pm »
So if anyone calls out a bully rogue state they are labeled "Anti-Semite" by Dickhead Starmer?

I think he's right to given the press are obsessed with calling Labour antisemitic

Anyway we have a Labour thread

Waters is perceived by the mainstream as antisemitic pretty much already and even if you personally don't agree - don't mind, I am not anywhere close to an expert - it makes sense for Labour to distance from it

Like I said before

Biden administration have condemned Waters
Germany are (again)
Our government themselves have

No words for them = why the myopia?

Starmer winning an election might be helped by getting away from antisemitism - look what happened to Corbyn
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« Reply #425 on: June 9, 2023, 04:06:58 pm »
I think he's right to given the press are obsessed with calling Labour antisemitic

Anyway we have a Labour thread

Waters is perceived by the mainstream as antisemitic pretty much already and even if you personally don't agree - don't mind, I am not anywhere close to an expert - it makes sense for Labour to distance from it

Like I said before

Biden administration have condemned Waters
Germany are (again)
Our government themselves have

No words for them = why the myopia?

Starmer winning an election might be helped by getting away from antisemitism - look what happened to Corbyn
I agree with Waters on his Israel bully stance.
Does that make me an Anti-Semite?

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Re: Pink Floyd
« Reply #426 on: June 9, 2023, 04:10:09 pm »
I agree with Waters on his Israel bully stance.
Does that make me an Anti-Semite?

I'm totally with you on this.

It seems that any criticism of Israel automatically makes you anti-semetic, there is no reasoning
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Re: Pink Floyd
« Reply #427 on: June 9, 2023, 04:21:59 pm »
I agree with Waters on his Israel bully stance.
Does that make me an Anti-Semite?

Not to me (the 'stance' being the overall sentiment)

Do you tell a lot of people this though? Would you repeat his stance often?

Would you go into a totally different thread and state your beliefs on it?

What if I saw a load of posts attacking you for your views?

I do believe you could repeat Waters verbatim and get called names. Antisemitic perhaps.

I wouldn't seek out your music based on it that's for sure - has fuck all to do with music.
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« Reply #428 on: June 9, 2023, 04:24:17 pm »
I agree with Waters on his Israel bully stance.
Does that make me an Anti-Semite?

If you agree with every word of his, then yeah, that's what you'd be.

But it's obviously possible to want Israel evicted from the West Bank without being anti-semitic. 
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Re: Pink Floyd
« Reply #429 on: June 9, 2023, 04:24:55 pm »
I'm totally with you on this.

It seems that any criticism of Israel automatically makes you anti-semetic, there is no reasoning

You sort of answered for me  ;D

Me saying No amounts to nothing

This Israel criticism = antisemitism thing exists. It is out there.

Waters seems tagged with it. How careful you'd be with your views is an interesting question.

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Re: Pink Floyd
« Reply #430 on: June 9, 2023, 04:25:35 pm »
Not to me

Do you tell a lot of people this though? Would you repeat his stance often?

Would you go into a totally different thread and state your beliefs on it?

What if I saw a load of posts attacking you for your views?

I do believe you could repeat Waters verbatim and get called names. Antisemitic perhaps.

I wouldn't seek out your music based on it that's for sure - has fuck all to do with music.
There is an awful lot of guff that Waters comes out with.
Calling out a bully state is not amongst the guff he spouts, it's 100% correct.

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« Reply #431 on: June 9, 2023, 04:30:54 pm »
There is an awful lot of guff that Waters comes out with.
Calling out a bully state is not amongst the guff he spouts, it's 100% correct.

OK?

Are you correcting something I said?

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Re: Pink Floyd
« Reply #432 on: June 9, 2023, 04:33:58 pm »
OK?

Are you correcting something I said?
No, but you seem to agree with Starmer's views on what is seen as Anti-Semetic?

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« Reply #433 on: June 9, 2023, 04:43:59 pm »
No, but you seem to agree with Starmer's views on what is seen as Anti-Semetic?

'seen' as anti Semitic is a huge thing and I think you are underestimating how easy it would be to fall into that category. I suppose you could ask why Starmer bothered (asking him to defend it is ludicrous)

I think it is fairly obvious why a Labour leader would publically distance themselves from a public figure being called antisemitic in the press given the recent history of the party and the accompanying stitch up job by the press under the prior leader

I wouldn't have called for a ban no I don't agree with that
I think Gove had the balance better (hate having to write that)

I don't think Starmer's perceived understanding of what defines antisemitism is 'worse' than how Waters looks to many. Interesting and illustrative this is in the PF thread

I prefer the nuance here:

If you agree with every word of his, then yeah, that's what you'd be.

But it's obviously possible to want Israel evicted from the West Bank without being anti-semitic.
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Re: Pink Floyd
« Reply #434 on: June 9, 2023, 07:58:44 pm »
Roger is right in most he says, he is occasionally a little lazy with his phrasing and these days, that's dangerous.
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« Reply #435 on: June 9, 2023, 08:22:48 pm »
Roger is right in most he says, he is occasionally a little lazy with his phrasing and these days, that's dangerous.

He is but he's also a massive egotistical twat.
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« Reply #436 on: June 9, 2023, 09:09:32 pm »
Roger is right in most he says, he is occasionally a little lazy with his phrasing and these days, that's dangerous.

I said that in a super posh accent as if at the Carlton Club to a fellow chap. It works!
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Re: Pink Floyd
« Reply #437 on: June 10, 2023, 07:29:30 pm »
Roger Waters can be a bit bonkers about certain subjects, but his views on the rogue state of Israel and its treatment of the Palestinians are spot on.
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Re: Pink Floyd
« Reply #438 on: June 11, 2023, 10:33:37 am »
I need to broaden my Floyd horizons a bit, I only ever listen to DSOTM, Wall, Animals and WYWH. What other album should I focus on? I'm pretty sure I don't like the early stuff before Barrett left.

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Re: Pink Floyd
« Reply #439 on: June 11, 2023, 10:39:49 am »
Do try Piper.

The Syd era is only one album though

They were in his shadow for a while.

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