Topic: Xherdan Shaqiri - Sponsored by The Cube

[Sir Capon of Debaser]

Reckon klopp might wanna get rid of the bulk?

Sure he had oxo n gomez take it down a notch

[Johns_Barn]

13.5m or something like that. Probably be worth four times that by the end of the season!

AKA a fucktonne of Toblerone.

[PhaseOfPlay]

Reckon klopp might wanna get rid of the bulk?

Sure he had oxo n gomez take it down a notch

Why would he get rid of the bulk? He might drop his body-fat percentage, for sure. Which I'm almost certain is what happened with Ox. But not the muscle.

[Hazell]

Why would he get rid of the bulk? He might drop his body-fat percentage, for sure. Which I'm almost certain is what happened with Ox. But not the muscle.

See, I agree. In fact:

Needs to bulk up.

[PhaseOfPlay]

See, I agree. In fact:

[JG6]

In every players career they have a moment where it all clicks and they decide that they are going to squeeze every last drop of talent out of themselves. Sometimes they’re 15 and go on to have great careers (Milner), sometimes they’re 26 and they’ve had to see the other side of the game before they reach the top.

For me, that’s what I think will happen with Shaqiri. He’s been the wonderkid, he’s been at a big club and then he’s been on the other end where he’s a big cheese at a small club that doesn’t really matter. Now he’s had an opportunity arise that he knows he’s lucky to get and he’s going to grasp it and make sure he never drops below this level again. When a player as naturally talented as him decides that he’s going to get everything out of himself, it’s a recipe for success.

[PhaseOfPlay]

In every players career they have a moment where it all clicks and they decide that they are going to squeeze every last drop of talent out of themselves. Sometimes they’re 15 and go on to have great careers (Milner), sometimes they’re 26 and they’ve had to see the other side of the game before they reach the top.

For me, that’s what I think will happen with Shaqiri. He’s been the wonderkid, he’s been at a big club and then he’s been on the other end where he’s a big cheese at a small club that doesn’t really matter. Now he’s had an opportunity arise that he knows he’s lucky to get and he’s going to grasp it and make sure he never drops below this level again. When a player as naturally talented as him decides that he’s going to get everything out of himself, it’s a recipe for success.

Sounds about right. I don't think he'll be looking for any moves away either.

[Sir Capon of Debaser]

Why would he get rid of the bulk? He might drop his body-fat percentage, for sure. Which I'm almost certain is what happened with Ox. But not the muscle.

he mentioned something about no player needs that much muscle or something as its only good for the beach

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

Why would he get rid of the bulk? He might drop his body-fat percentage, for sure. Which I'm almost certain is what happened with Ox. But not the muscle.

Well it would be pretty impressive if he cut down his body fat percentage without losing any of the muscle. Something only Real Madrid players seem capable of doing.

[scouseman]

why does he have a nickname of Cube do not get it?

[Sir Capon of Debaser]

why does he have a nickname of Cube do not get it?

beefy farts like an oxo

[Sir Capon of Debaser]

In every players career they have a moment where it all clicks and they decide that they are going to squeeze every last drop of talent out of themselves. Sometimes they’re 15 and go on to have great careers (Milner), sometimes they’re 26 and they’ve had to see the other side of the game before they reach the top.

For me, that’s what I think will happen with Shaqiri. He’s been the wonderkid, he’s been at a big club and then he’s been on the other end where he’s a big cheese at a small club that doesn’t really matter. Now he’s had an opportunity arise that he knows he’s lucky to get and he’s going to grasp it and make sure he never drops below this level again. When a player as naturally talented as him decides that he’s going to get everything out of himself, it’s a recipe for success.

Hes the football equivalent of Jason Bateman

[Mighty Zeus]

why does he have a nickname of Cube do not get it?

If you measure him, he's perfectly cubic.

[markedasred]

Just because he had a glorious debut for us does not mean every game will be like that, but I am seeing a thread here of us seeing him him being up a level now he is one of us, and watching the replay, he had a subtly great game, apart from the assist & goal. Could it be that he was a fish out of water at Stoke, and now he is in the ideal environment? And think, we still have a first team with Naby, Alisson & Bobby in it to come. I have the slightest suspicion I will be enjoying our footy again this season.

[afc tukrish]

why does he have a nickname of Cube do not get it?

Sheridan dislikes NWA...

[princeoftherocks]

Impressed me with his hold up play and lay off for Sturridge.  More so than the overhead kick - you can see him pulling off that hold up play all the time whereas that goal was a rarity.    Someone so squat, his strength is in his balance/gravity. 

His best quality, however, is his enthusiasm. 

Klopp's gonna take the leash of this little bulldog.

[RedForeverTT]

Just because he had a glorious debut for us does not mean every game will be like that, but I am seeing a thread here of us seeing him him being up a level now he is one of us, and watching the replay, he had a subtly great game, apart from the assist & goal. Could it be that he was a fish out of water at Stoke, and now he is in the ideal environment? And think, we still have a first team with Naby, Alisson & Bobby in it to come. I have the slightest suspicion I will be enjoying our footy again this season.

Among the top 4, we are the ideal club for him with the way we are set up.

Everyone turns to shit in Utd, City had Sane, Sterling, Silva, KDB in the winger/forward position, Spurs do not operate with wide forwards.

His career has been a bit up and down. We were linked with him before he went to Bayern and then of course he did stabilised his career and proved himself to be an enigma. I think he will be on an upward trajectory from here.

[PhaseOfPlay]

Well it would be pretty impressive if he cut down his body fat percentage without losing any of the muscle. Something only Real Madrid players seem capable of doing.

Increased protein intake, maintain or slightly increase strength training. Minimal muscle loss, if any

The way people here talk about "losing the bulk", they seem to be talking about going from this -



To this -



On top of that, there is literally no reason for Shaqiri to lose muscle mass.

[PhaseOfPlay]

he mentioned something about no player needs that much muscle or something as its only good for the beach

Who, Klopp?

[Sir Capon of Debaser]

Who, Klopp?

Yup

[PhaseOfPlay]

Yup

Well that would be a personal preference from the Boss. It's not backed by science, in any case. At least where a player's speed is concerned.

[thekitkatshuffler]

Reckon klopp might wanna get rid of the bulk?

Sure he had oxo n gomez take it down a notch

Bulk?  What bulk?

[vivabobbygraham]

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

Increased protein intake, maintain or slightly increase strength training. Minimal muscle loss, if any

The way people here talk about "losing the bulk", they seem to be talking about going from this -



To this -



On top of that, there is literally no reason for Shaqiri to lose muscle mass.

Was just being a pedant. Unless you’re new to weight lifting or are overweight, neither of which apply to Shaqiri, you cannot have a calorie defecit without losing some muscle mass and strength. You can obviously minimise it through proper nutrition and supplements, though.

I’d also imagine most footballers diets consist of enough protein already so doubt they’d benefit from any increase.

[PhaseOfPlay]

Was just being a pedant. Unless you’re new to weight lifting or are overweight, neither of which apply to Shaqiri, you cannot have a calorie defecit without losing some muscle mass and strength. You can obviously minimise it through proper nutrition and supplements, though.

I’d also imagine most footballers diets consist of enough protein already so doubt they’d benefit from any increase.

Depends on the club. Some don't give a shit what you eat and expect you to look after yourself, others give you a prescribed diet. Then it also comes down to the personal athletic preferences and knowledge of the manager dictating the whole programme.

[Dim Glas]

he mentioned something about no player needs that much muscle or something as its only good for the beach

Don't think he said anything about Ox, but with Gomez it seems it was more of a weight thing that Kloppo had a concern about with Gomez, but he seemed to equate him carrying too much bulk, to being to heavy. 

The quotes where:

"When he came back (from that long injury) he got injured and then when he came back again he was heavy.

"He had a lot of muscle and you only need muscles like that if you're only going to the beach or whatever.

"We had to work on this and now he's back. He lost weight, he's really fit, he looks sharp. There are still things to improve.

[Sir Capon of Debaser]

Don't think he said anything about Ox, but with Gomez it seems it was more of a weight thing that Kloppo had a concern about with Gomez, but he seemed to equate him carrying too much bulk, to being to heavy. 

The quotes where:

"When he came back (from that long injury) he got injured and then when he came back again he was heavy.

"He had a lot of muscle and you only need muscles like that if you're only going to the beach or whatever.

"We had to work on this and now he's back. He lost weight, he's really fit, he looks sharp. There are still things to improve.

Yeah thats it,ta.Think the ox link mustve been from on here when he signed and it being mentioned that klopp will have done the same with him

[Yesitsanextender]

If ge gets olaying time (which in my opinion should get plenty)He’s gonna be a beast of a player for us! Really excited to see him, keita and the rest of the this season

[Yesitsanextender]

Someone put a clip on here a few days ago comparing fekir youtube and shaqiris youtube clips, stating how we got our fekir in shaq....i could get on that wagon!

[PhaseOfPlay]

If ge gets olaying time (which in my opinion should get plenty)He’s gonna be a beast of a player for us! Really excited to see him, keita and the rest of the this season

[Dim Glas]

I just had a Mandela effect moment, thinking that I was sure that was called Oil of Ulay.  So much so I had to google it, and in fact it was/is called Oil of Ulay in some countries, so not a Madela effect moment at all 

[Chalky Boots]

Don't think he said anything about Ox, but with Gomez it seems it was more of a weight thing that Kloppo had a concern about with Gomez, but he seemed to equate him carrying too much bulk, to being to heavy. 

The quotes where:

"When he came back (from that long injury) he got injured and then when he came back again he was heavy.

"He had a lot of muscle and you only need muscles like that if you're only going to the beach or whatever.

"We had to work on this and now he's back. He lost weight, he's really fit, he looks sharp. There are still things to improve.

Yup was about Gomez coming back looking like a heavyweight boxer. He looked way off, partly injury recovery based but also because he was slow on the turn and just generally not at all agile; funnily enough this happened with Kelly as well who looked shit when he came back looking like Conan the Barbarian, although nothing was done about it at that time under Rodgers.

There's a tipping point with athletes that ties in with specialisation. 70% of all athletes probably follow a similar diet & basic conditioning plan but then the other 30 is the specialisation aspect. Shaqiri definitely doesn't need to lose bulk (or muscle mass) he's a good size, I think the conditioning and dietary plans we do here (which the club and klopp put an immense emphasis on) will no doubt make bring him in line to everyone else here so long as he follows them.

[gjr1]

Only saw the last 30 mins or so of the match. Apart from the assist and the goal his all round play was great.

Love his one touch passing. Was also looking for the ball always. Really wants to impress for sure.

Jurgen said in his press conference that he gave him a free role. Not sure if that will happen in most of the games he plays but he put in a good shift from what I saw.

[moloch]

Love his one touch passing.

This, a skill integral to our blueprint.

[kcbworth]

I assume he may have worked with our ex Bayern nutrition and conditioning staff before he went to Stoke?

[BigJimFinn]

Depends on the club. Some don't give a shit what you eat and expect you to look after yourself, others give you a prescribed diet. Then it also comes down to the personal athletic preferences and knowledge of the manager dictating the whole programme.

Is this still true somewhere on the Premier League level? I find it hard to believe even about Stoke, as hard as the idea that Charlie Adam would actually follow a prescribed diet. If Sam Allardyce got the message 15 years ago, and Premier League has very few British Stone Age managers left, it would be interesting to know if some clubs are still resisting. Would be useful for evaluating their betting odds...

[Giono]

Just because he had a glorious debut for us does not mean every game will be like that, but I am seeing a thread here of us seeing him him being up a level now he is one of us, and watching the replay, he had a subtly great game, apart from the assist & goal. Could it be that he was a fish out of water at Stoke, and now he is in the ideal environment? And think, we still have a first team with Naby, Alisson & Bobby in it to come. I have the slightest suspicion I will be enjoying our footy again this season.

Don’t get too excited, now.

One swallow does not a summer make. But then again an albanian eagle just tore man utd apart.

[So… Howard Philips]

I just had a Mandela effect moment, thinking that I was sure that was called Oil of Ulay.  So much so I had to google it, and in fact it was/is called Oil of Ulay in some countries, so not a Madela effect moment at all 

Ha. It was called Oil of Ulay in the 1970s. We had a posh Aunty who used it so back then it was up market.

Still not sure why the name was changed, it may be that Ulay was offensive in some countries whereas Olay was innocuous.

[Goalposts for Jumpers]

Ha. It was called Oil of Ulay in the 1970s. We had a posh Aunty who used it so back then it was up market.

Still not sure why the name was changed, it may be that Ulay was offensive in some countries whereas Olay was innocuous.

It's to keep their marketing/packaging costs down, so all European countries were using the same brand name. The comedy is, now everyone in the UK is now used to Olay, they've gone and changed it to Olaz (in Italy at least)! 

[Goalposts for Jumpers]

Increased protein intake, maintain or slightly increase strength training. Minimal muscle loss, if any
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On top of that, there is literally no reason for Shaqiri to lose muscle mass.

Increased upper body weight (whether fat or muscle) increases the strain on lower body muscles, joints, etc, when playing sports like footy, thus increasing risk of injury. Klopp is right not to want players too "beach ready", as that kind of muscle adds little to a footballers ability to play football.