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Re: a question for one of the mods
« Reply #320 on: November 17, 2021, 12:43:12 pm »
That'd be a sad day.

Yep. Not to sound melodramatic - and I know it is meant to be a football site - but the News forum is by far the main reason I come on here so I'll likely be on here a lot less if it goes.

Obviously totally up to the mods though. I understand if they have just had enough but I don't buy that it is worse than any time before. It's far better now than it was a few years ago when a certain person was leading the Labour party. We stil get flare ups every few weeks but back then it was almost every day. And it's not the whole News forum that is an issue. It is one topic that causes 95% of the problems.

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Re: a question for one of the mods
« Reply #321 on: November 17, 2021, 12:56:07 pm »
Just noticed this and it really bothers me. The order for the forums has been the same for ages. I'm not good with change... :D

I donít even know where you mean! Is this on the Home Page?

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Re: a question for one of the mods
« Reply #322 on: November 17, 2021, 01:04:22 pm »
I donít even know where you mean! Is this on the Home Page?

On the root of the forum pages, where it lists them all under Flagpole Corner, or if you click on Flagpole Corner so the subforums are listed one under the other.

News and Tech have swapped around.

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Re: a question for one of the mods
« Reply #323 on: November 17, 2021, 01:27:52 pm »
Thought I was going crazy when I noticed that, thankfully it seems that is still a bit off yet.

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Re: a question for one of the mods
« Reply #324 on: November 17, 2021, 03:30:55 pm »
Add me to the list of folks who thought they were confused as hell by that sub-forum swap on the main page.  Was thinking 'has it always been this way round...?'.
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Re: a question for one of the mods
« Reply #325 on: November 17, 2021, 03:48:47 pm »
Yep. Not to sound melodramatic - and I know it is meant to be a football site - but the News forum is by far the main reason I come on here so I'll likely be on here a lot less if it goes.

Obviously totally up to the mods though. I understand if they have just had enough but I don't buy that it is worse than any time before. It's far better now than it was a few years ago when a certain person was leading the Labour party. We stil get flare ups every few weeks but back then it was almost every day. And it's not the whole News forum that is an issue. It is one topic that causes 95% of the problems.

Like you say, it's a football site and we're not saying you can't discuss news topics again ever, plan would be to have them back in the boozer (though maybe actually just clean slating that forum could work) and not have these gigantic 1000 page threads. I'd prefer we kept the politics threads to a minimum and discussed individual topics of the day/week to attempt to curb derailing and individual squabbles and if like me, you don't have the will to sit and read a massive thread to get the context then I can dip into a smaller thread. The way I see it is that outside of the football related forums and things like tickets, it should be fairly light hearted and only require a light touch from the mods. That board takes up a lot of time.

Just looking through the moderation log, a lot of deletions and interventions are in threads in that forum, and really, not _that_ many of our users actually use it.

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Re: a question for one of the mods
« Reply #326 on: November 17, 2021, 03:49:09 pm »
Add me to the list of folks who thought they were confused as hell by that sub-forum swap on the main page.  Was thinking 'has it always been this way round...?'.

Ha, I can move it back but cos I'm a c*nt I really don't want to now ;D

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Re: a question for one of the mods
« Reply #327 on: November 17, 2021, 10:32:49 pm »
Ha, I can move it back but cos I'm a c*nt I really don't want to now ;D

It's the easiest solution Claire, just hide the News Forum somewhere that no-one will ever find it...

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Re: a question for one of the mods
« Reply #328 on: November 18, 2021, 10:29:15 am »
Yep. Not to sound melodramatic - and I know it is meant to be a football site - but the News forum is by far the main reason I come on here so I'll likely be on here a lot less if it goes.

Obviously totally up to the mods though. I understand if they have just had enough but I don't buy that it is worse than any time before. It's far better now than it was a few years ago when a certain person was leading the Labour party. We stil get flare ups every few weeks but back then it was almost every day. And it's not the whole News forum that is an issue. It is one topic that causes 95% of the problems.
Same, I know the forum is a Liverpool Football Club one, it's going to be why 99.9% of the people sign up, but having something where topical news and current affairs can be discussed almost feels like it needs to be there.  It differentiates us as individuals rather than one amorphous blob of "Yay, Liverpool!" as well as encouraging critical thinking.

Could it be done better?  Yes, I mean as a left-of-centre forum it's very myopic on certain topics and it feels like 'groupthink' outweighs the possibility of discussing the issue at hand.  Opposing views on something are nearly always seen as being taken in bad faith and no real chance of compromise is given.  While moderating topics must be absolutely horrendous at times (topics seen as controversial such as LGBT+ issues, Shamima Begum, vaccinations, etc. must be a nightmare) I feel like it needs to be done, and the voices offering alternative views listened to and responded to in good faith, even if they kind of piss you off as you respond.

I definitely don't want it to go but I understand the reasons why.  I've lost a lot of the feelings to the club in regards to what made me join here in the first place, so while it is an LFC board and what it was created to be, I feel that's an oversimplification of how the boards are today.  People will inevitably change over time to adapt to those around them and I feel that's reciprocated in what these forums represent now.

Oh, and this all came from me seeing the News & Current Affairs link being shifted over one space too, weirded me out.
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Re: a question for one of the mods
« Reply #329 on: November 18, 2021, 11:38:21 am »
In regards to the post I made above, would there be any scope to having a pinned and starred post in the News threads for users of that particular sub-forum to discuss changes that they would like to see?  I could imagine people will miss any talk of it here in the Feedback threads but they would likely see it in there.  I know, ultimately, RAWK isn't a democracy for that sort of thing, but I feel like having the input of the users of that space could potentially improve things exponentially.  If they were to know just how threatened it is, and to gather their feedback on what could be done to improve it could be the kick up the rear end it needs.
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Re: a question for one of the mods
« Reply #330 on: November 18, 2021, 12:11:04 pm »
Sack off any political threads and the news forum would prob be 90% easier to moderate.

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Re: a question for one of the mods
« Reply #331 on: November 18, 2021, 12:50:50 pm »
I spend a lot of time in the news forum. I hardly ever post in it, but I read the threads every day.

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Re: a question for one of the mods
« Reply #332 on: November 18, 2021, 12:57:23 pm »
I spend a lot of time in the news forum. I hardly ever post in it, but I read the threads every day.

Yeah, same for me. I can see the hassle the give mods though, itís a never ending battle in some of them it seems.

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Re: a question for one of the mods
« Reply #333 on: November 18, 2021, 01:33:55 pm »
Did a double take when suddenly noticed the Technology and Science forum appeared in the place where News & Current Affairs forum normally is...... thought you had gone ahead and deleted the News forum but they seem to have just swapped places.

I thought it was me. A bit like heading to my wardrobe and not remembering what I'm looking for and then realising I'm not wearing any trousers.

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Re: a question for one of the mods
« Reply #334 on: November 18, 2021, 01:36:33 pm »
I thought it was me. A bit like heading to my wardrobe and not remembering what I'm looking for and then realising I'm not wearing any trousers.

That's why everyone has been looking at me weirdly today!  :moon
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Re: a question for one of the mods
« Reply #335 on: November 18, 2021, 02:08:16 pm »
Would be really sorry to see the News section go.  Probably the section of the forum I read the most.
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Re: a question for one of the mods
« Reply #336 on: November 18, 2021, 03:33:57 pm »
That's why everyone has been looking at me weirdly today!  :moon

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Re: a question for one of the mods
« Reply #337 on: November 18, 2021, 04:28:36 pm »
We can all agree on these three things right:
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Just for context and background. It wasn't just one person that led to the trans thread being deleted. If that was the case muting or a ban would have left the thread open. The problem with that thread and others is that people post with absolute positions on a given subject and then insist that anyone who disagrees is a Tory/centrist/transphobic/not a Liverpool supporter or other accusation that immediately polarises the debate and turns the thread into something personal.

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Re: a question for one of the mods
« Reply #338 on: November 18, 2021, 04:35:12 pm »
Do you normally wear So... Howard Phillips trousers?

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Re: a question for one of the mods
« Reply #339 on: November 18, 2021, 07:07:35 pm »
If the News board is going can I request that you keep the Covid thread - It's full of so much useful information.
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Re: a question for one of the mods
« Reply #340 on: November 18, 2021, 08:24:04 pm »
I don't think getting rid of certain sub-forums entirely is the best move, especially ones like the News & Current Affairs. There's some really good takes there and some very good and informative discussion that goes on between mostly like-minded people. There will always be a post or two that derails entire topics and steers the discourse into something more divisive.

As with the investment thread, it seems like the mod team requires a couple more additions to keep on top of things instead of just putting a blanket ban on certain topics. I'm sure there are a few well-respected active daily posters here who have a fair bit of time to keep things in order where required. It shouldn't be as black and white as "oh that's a controversial topic, too difficult to moderate - not allowed".

Ultimately a forum is where discussion and debate take place. There are many reasons for the decline in active posters over the years on here (not least the rise of social media etc), but actively stifling discussion around certain topics doesn't help. It's a Liverpool FC forum first, I get that, but I've seen mods say 'why do you expect to discuss this in a Liverpool forum?' in that case just get rid of all the forums except the main LFC forum. It currently seems like an easy line to trot when drawing an imaginary fence around certain topics.

Personally, I've been on here for around 14 years and a lot of the views that I've come across have shaped the person I am today in some ways. I'm not from Liverpool, but thanks to RAWK, I feel my values today are very much aligned with people from the city (and generally the NW). I'm not totally sure if RAWK would have the same sort of low-level, but real, impact on anyone in the future as things are getting a bit too 'vanilla' when it comes to active discussion and debate on topics beyond just LFC.

Obviously, up to the mods to do as they see fit but I think the opinions of posters on here are important too rather than just being told yes or no.

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Re: a question for one of the mods
« Reply #341 on: November 22, 2021, 02:03:15 pm »
In regards to the post I made above, would there be any scope to having a pinned and starred post in the News threads for users of that particular sub-forum to discuss changes that they would like to see?  I could imagine people will miss any talk of it here in the Feedback threads but they would likely see it in there.  I know, ultimately, RAWK isn't a democracy for that sort of thing, but I feel like having the input of the users of that space could potentially improve things exponentially.  If they were to know just how threatened it is, and to gather their feedback on what could be done to improve it could be the kick up the rear end it needs.

Not a democracy? But I thought Andy@'s polls were all binding and a key part of keeping RAWK functioning like the well oiled machine that it is

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Re: a question for one of the mods
« Reply #342 on: November 22, 2021, 11:15:26 pm »
I am not going to post in the politics related threads any more. I have had more than my fair share of suspensions because of things that I have said in there (and have been responsible for a couple being locked too), so there is one person less for the staff to deal with moving forward.

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Re: a question for one of the mods
« Reply #343 on: November 24, 2021, 02:56:18 pm »
FAO Claire, I switched mobiles today and RAWK loaded with a dark(?) theme which I'd not seen before in Chrome when I used the new phone.  I tried to switch it to whatever it was before (the mobile view, I think), but now it looks like it's reverted to the original RAWK theme.  Can I get back to where I was?  I've selected rawkv3 in my profile but it's not doing mobile things on mobile.
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Re: a question for one of the mods
« Reply #344 on: November 25, 2021, 08:20:57 am »
The dark theme will be in use if you have your OS set to prefer dark ;D

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Re: a question for one of the mods
« Reply #345 on: November 25, 2021, 08:25:21 am »
The dark theme will be in use if you have your OS set to prefer dark ;D

Aha.  All good now, ta.
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Re: a question for one of the mods
« Reply #346 on: November 26, 2021, 04:29:14 pm »

Hi mods,

I made a 'mini-index' of content for the 'Liverpool Audio / Video thread', here:-

www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=345769.msg17787576#msg17787576


Just thought I'd ask if it could be also posted up in the OP of the Acaustiq's 'Liverpool Audio / Video thread' (www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=112969.0) ?

There is nothing in the OP of the thread at the moment - and thought adding the 'mini-index' to it may help members find some of the videos in the thread, and about RAWK too?

No worries if not - just an idea :)
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Re: a question for one of the mods
« Reply #347 on: November 26, 2021, 04:47:29 pm »
I've added it as a quote so people can thank you for your hard work!
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Re: a question for one of the mods
« Reply #348 on: November 26, 2021, 06:00:31 pm »

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Re: a question for one of the mods
« Reply #349 on: November 26, 2021, 08:13:28 pm »
I was gonna come and say that I only really visit RAWK for the non-lfc related threads these days, but that might encourage the mods to close it down ;D

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Re: a question for one of the mods
« Reply #350 on: Yesterday at 01:56:18 am »
I've added it as a quote so people can thank you for your hard work!

Thank you very much for adding that to the OP, Rhi.

No thanks or kind words are necessary - though much appreciated. :-[ 

Just doing my little little bit to help fellow Reds find videos of matches and some great memories, both recent and long ago.


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