There's a lot of people talking about subjective things with absolute certainty about all aspects of this. It's not healthy, and is all speculation. For this to have now moved to attacking Kelly Cates, and putting her down by invoking her dad (as if anyone here knows better than her what her dad thinks or what his values are).
I will declare my biases. I fucking despise Tyler and was furious seeing this thread title and the first line, ready to lose it at yet more of this shit. Especially after Paris. That said, listening to the short clip this is how I hear/read it:
"we weren't that long after Hillsborough, and other - hooligan-related - issues as well"
Given history (and the fact he's an employed orator), he should have worked harder to mention these two things separately. Should also be clearer than simply saying "as well" at the end that he didn't think one was part of the other. That was before reading his apology on a later page. I can't remember him ever saying anything remotely close to this with regards to Hillsborough though. Or casting any aspersions on Paris, as certain BT people did.
I at the very least believe there's a good chance he's being honest. I definitely don't think there is anything to be certain about. Above all though, people need to stop casting aspersions at Kelly Cates. A man mispeaks on an emotive issue, and a day later we have Liverpool fans with the target on a woman (who to say she deserves benefit of the doubt is a major fucking understatement) that works with him. People need to take a moment and think, because you've gone beyond what's reasonable.
Like I said earlier, I played the clip to my wife and she heard it this way
"we weren't that long after Hillsborough..... and other hooligan-related issues as well"
I've just asked my 14 yr old son to listen to it and he immediately said "he's blaming Hillsborough on hooliganism". He didn't realise it was Tyler and when I told him, he went on a rant about how he hates Tyler, how he hates Liverpool and how he sounds so disinterested when we score.
When writing, you can use punctuation to get what you want to say across, but in spoken word, you can't do that, so you have to either phrase it better, or include/exclude words. If he's said "we weren't that long after Hillsborough, then there were hooligan-related issues as well", that separates the two things and changes what he has said. Its the use of the word other that links the two. He well knows if he says "Hillsborough (short pause) and hooligan related issues as well" no-one relates Hillsborough to Hooliganism.
The way you have punctuated it doesn't actually match what he said either, the says "Hillsborough (short pause) and other hooligan related issues as well" (the second part all flows, no pauses).
