Author Topic: MATCH PREVIEW: Southampton Vs Liverpool 28th May 2023. Ko 4:30pm  (Read 7868 times)

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Odds:
Southampton 6/1, Draw 4/1, Liverpool 4/11
Referee: Darren England. Assistants: Dan Cook, Samuel Lewis. Fourth official: Dean Whitestone. VAR: Craig Pawson. Assistant VAR: Sian Massey-Ellis.



Most of this preview will be about the 4 (5) players leaving the club this week. However it would be remiss of me to not include words about our opponents Southampton. Just over 10 years after being promoted to the top flight they will say farewell on Sunday after a miserable season. From week 14 of the season Southampton have been in the bottom 3 and rarely off the foot of the table. 3 different managers couldn’t save them and its been a lousy campaign.

This week it was confirmed Rubén Sellés will leave his job after the match against Liverpool and be replaced by Russell Martin. Earlier in the season both Ralph Hasenhüttl  and Nathan Jones were handed P45s.

Following Manchester United’s 4-1 win over Chelsea last night, coupled with Newcastle’s goalless draw earlier in the week with Leicester, Liverpool will not be playing champions league football next season. We can do no better than 5th while Southampton will finish last. Both very poor seasons for both clubs, for various reasons.

Now then, time to say goodbye, I am not crying, you are!

Arthur Melo, its like we hardly knew ya



James Milner, a different number 7 but one worthy of the worlds most famous jersey.





The number 7 shirt at Liverpool has been worn by many fine players, Milner was a custodian who  didn’t have the flair of some predecessors but his contribution shouldn’t be forgotten. He didn’t have the flair of a Dalglish, Keegan, McManaman or Suarez but he was a throwback to the number 7s before that.

Record appearance holder Ian Callaghan was perhaps more accustomed to the number 11 but before our time, in the 1960s (when Milner only a teenager) Callaghan was perhaps the first original great number 7, a number he wore throughout the decade.
Milner is a fine link in this tradition, a model pro who approached every game in a long career spanning over 900 games with the same professionalism and determination he always did.

Milner had made his league debut for Leeds United way back in November 2002, a month later, still some 9 days shy of his 17th birthday Milner scored his first league goal in a match against Sunderland. Leeds financial issues at the time forced the club to sell the unwilling Milner to Newcastle but the following quote summed up Milner
“its in the clubs best interests”.

Following a spell at Newcastle, Milner joined Aston villa where he had previously played on loan, making his debut against Liverpool in 2008, rumours at the time said he would join us, what a pity he didn’t. 2 years later Man city came calling, I actually recall people laughing that City paid way over the odds, Milner was valued at 26m in the deal which saw Stephen Ireland go the other way, effectively it was 17m plus Ireland, talk at the time was villa were getting a better player while also making massive money. That aged well. Ireland’s career slithered into oblivion, while Milner’s career would go from strength to strength, Ireland would only be best remembered for the supposed death of his 17 grannies.

Milner again made a debut against Liverpool and his non-stop running was a big feature in a fine performance as City beat Liverpool 3-0 in august 2010. 5 years later Milner would leave City on a free transfer, turning down more money and champions league football in the belief he would get more playing time with us. By then Milner had already won 2 premier leagues, an FA cup and a league cup (unused sub in both cup finals) but there was more to come.

Under Brendan Rodgers, Milner was made vice-captain to Jordan Henderson, a roll he retained under the new manager Jurgen Klopp and it was quite clear in the near 8 years since, the pair got the respect of every member of staff at the club, they demanded the best, they gave their best, they were both wrote off through their career, but they both won it all and proved everyone wrong.

Other than centre back and centre forward Milner has played every outfield position for the reds, never shirking any responsibility.
Indeed Milner actually spent the whole 2016-7 season at left back.

"It's about whatever's best for the team and ultimately I just want to be out there playing games, contributing and helping this football club."

His unselfishness was eventually rewarded with silverware, Liverpool won the 2019 European cup with Milner playing a big part in a famous comeback against Barcelona whilst his late corner against Spurs in the final lead to Liverpool’s second goal sealing a 2-0 win. A European super cup, a world club cup, and a premier league title followed and in 2022 Milner helped the club to a league cup and FA cup, both won through penalty shoot outs with Milner stepping up to score the first penalty in both.

Milner will leave with his head held high, 8 years of stirling service, a thorough professional, one who wasn’t afraid to put the boot in, one who was a great role model for young players and supporters alike, the longevity of his career is testament to his approach to the game, for over 20 years he has played in the premier league, and this is likely to continue with Brighton next, we wish him all the best, he will be missed.

Naby Keita. What could have been?





James Milner leaves at the age of 59, he has done it all, Naby Keita has been at Liverpool 5 years, the club don’t feel there is anything more he can do here, he is just 28. Milner cost nothing, Keita cost 53m. Keita leaves the club having won the same amount of trophies as Milner but because of injury his time will often be viewed as a disappointment.

When Keita leaves Liverpool they will have played 190 league games, Keita wont have played half of them. There is no doubting his ability, quick, skilful, intelligent and the ability to unlock a defence. He was an exciting player to watch, he deserved his medals, after all he may not have played that often but he still pushed players to standards needed to keep him out at times, when he did play his quality was there to be seen, unfortunately the injury bugs just never went away.

A fully fit Keita playing even 30-32 league games a year would be priceless, world class maybe, the trophies he helped us win save his legacy from being a total disaster, but it should have been so much more. All the best Naby lad.

Alex Oxlade Chamberlain. See above.



Like Keita, the Ox is still in his late 20s, he has won loads, but the injuries across a 6 year spell sully what should have been a more generous narrative. He has barely made 100 league appearances across a 6 year spell. Ox like Milner is an adaptable player across various positions, like Keita he has the ability to break lines, unlock defences and is a skilful player.

Ox was a fantastic addition in 2017, a player who could link midfield and attack, did you know that year Man City won the league by a mile with 100 points? Did you know also that in 4 games that season against city, Liverpool won 3. Ox scored in two including a net bursting worldie in the champions league quarter final, one round later Ox suffered a horrific knee injury which kept him out of the game for a whole year, he would play just two league games the following season.

The 2019-20 season seemed to be a new beginning, fine goals against Genk in Europe and against Bournemouth and Arsenal showed Ox was back, unfortunately an ankle injury in the world club cup final against Flamengo ended this fine run of form and really things were never the same, the injury bug gripped, it never really shook off. This season Ox was given a brief run in the team but it didn’t work out. Like Keita, he has the medals to show for it, he will have played his part, but like Keita, it should have been so much more.

Roberto Firmino, engine engine number 9.




Signed from Hoffenheim by Brendan Rodgers in 2015, Firmino arrived the same summer as Milner and was just as much a part of this era as anyone. The early months under Rodgers provided little evidence that Firmino would be a star but under Jurgen Klopp, things changed. The goals started to flow. A 4-1 win at Manchester City was the first sign of greatness and his link up play with others was starting to show, a false 9 role was made for Firmino, you could say he was the prototype. Link up play, finishing, skill, work rate, I could be here all night saying all his superlatives, but one I will laud on in his link up play with others, sometimes great players don’t look good because of their talent, they make others look better. There is a reason Jurgen Klopp labelled him “our most important player” and “the engine”.

That’s the unselfish Bobby all over, the goals began to flow, one that will always have a special place in my heart will be the smashing volley at Stoke in April 2017 in a 2-1 win on a glorious sunny day, Firmino removed his shirt, flung it in the air and the shirts actually lands perfectly outstretched on the turf, it was the very same day I found out I would be a father.

When Mo Salah signed a few months later, he, Bobby and Sadio Mane were to form one of the best attacks in world football. A staggering 338 goals flowed, Firmino never got near his best total of 27 again (2017-8) but he stayed in the team for a reason. He scored 15 less goals in 2019-20 for instance but was still an ever present as we won the Premier League. In the same season Firmino scored the winner as Liverpool won the club world cup for the first time with a 1-0 win over Flamengo.

Earlier this season Firmino bagged his 100th goal for the club in a 9-0 win over Bournemouth, although the goals continue to flow, maybe a couple of injuries are starting to creep in, maybe 360 games at a high intensity level are finally taking their toll. Maybe now is the right time to say goodbye but Bobby goes with multiple medals, plaudits and all our best wishes. No doubt he will be missed. The word legend is bandied about too often, Bobby Firmino isn’t just a club legend, he helped make others legends too.

The esteem Bobby is held in by us was never shown more than the recent 3-0 win at Leicester, for nigh on 20 minutes the travelling Kop drowned him time and time again with his song, arguably one of the best songs in the clubs history, just witness the outpouring in his last home game against Aston Villa which fittingly ended with him scoring. What a legacy. What a man.

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Re: MATCH PREVIEW: Southampton Vs Liverpool 28th May 2023. Ko 3pm
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2023, 11:28:28 am »
doubts over Robertson and Konate, time to give some squad players a game...

my team

kelleher
matip
vvd
tsimikas
trent
fabinho
melo
milner
gakpo
firmino
nunez

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Re: MATCH PREVIEW: Southampton Vs Liverpool 28th May 2023. Ko 3pm
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2023, 11:29:04 am »
Doak on the bench pls.
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Re: MATCH PREVIEW: Southampton Vs Liverpool 28th May 2023. Ko 3pm
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2023, 11:31:23 am »
Hopefully at full time there is one massive celebration in our end but nothing has gone for us this season so probably not gonna happen sadly.

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Re: MATCH PREVIEW: Southampton Vs Liverpool 28th May 2023. Ko 3pm
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2023, 11:44:57 am »
Would make some changes knowing we can go no higher or lower than 5th.

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Should win. These are bad. Come on Bournemouth.
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Re: MATCH PREVIEW: Southampton Vs Liverpool 28th May 2023. Ko 3pm
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2023, 11:54:31 am »
Lets go full retard.

Milner  Matip   Gomez   Tsimikas

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Part of me hopes that Everton score two early goals so completely fucking ruin Sky's day and make this the most boring, meaningless final day in history.

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Re: MATCH PREVIEW: Southampton Vs Liverpool 28th May 2023. Ko 3pm
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2023, 11:56:53 am »
Nice OP paulrazor.

Nothing to play for in this one. Might as well play the kids (with a few experienced players here and there).

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Re: MATCH PREVIEW: Southampton Vs Liverpool 28th May 2023. Ko 3pm
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2023, 12:05:45 pm »
Lets go full retard.

Milner  Matip   Gomez   Tsimikas

        Keita      Melo

                AOC

  Doak      Firmino     Carvalho


Part of me hopes that Everton score two early goals so completely fucking ruin Sky's day and make this the most boring, meaningless final day in history.

No keeper is a bit bold but why not.

Thanks Paul for the OP.....excellent sendoff.

This is a dead match so may as well rest all the first team and play our 2nd team.

James Milner..........has given us everything and possibly has played his "best" football with us considering his age. I was not impressed when we signed him but I have to admit that I was completely wrong.

Arthur........I can't comment as I have barely seen him play. Good luck wherever he goes and I'm sure he enjoyed his time with us.

Ox.......a case of what could have been. At his best he was a very direct player who would still be an asset if fit. I wish him well and it's just a pity about his injuries.

Keita.......of all the players we signed, I was expecting most from him. He was the midfield player that we needed but it just didn't happen, again due to injury. He could have been so much more but that wasn't his fault. Maybe, in a less demanding league he will shine.

As for Southampton, I have a soft spot for them due to the number of good players they have sold to us. Hopefully they bounce back up.
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Re: MATCH PREVIEW: Southampton Vs Liverpool 28th May 2023. Ko 3pm
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2023, 12:09:13 pm »
Lets go full retard.

Milner  Matip   Gomez   Tsimikas

        Keita      Melo

                AOC

  Doak      Firmino     Carvalho


Part of me hopes that Everton score two early goals so completely fucking ruin Sky's day and make this the most boring, meaningless final day in history.

Each to their own but I think I'd still rather just see them go down in an excruciatingly painful manner
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Re: MATCH PREVIEW: Southampton Vs Liverpool 28th May 2023. Ko 3pm
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2023, 12:43:05 pm »
Jurgen serves his second match ban as well.

Lijnders better win one...  ;D
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Re: MATCH PREVIEW: Southampton Vs Liverpool 28th May 2023. Ko 3pm
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2023, 12:44:56 pm »
Jurgen serves his second match ban as well.

Lijnders better win one...  ;D

I thought the second one was suspended?

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Re: MATCH PREVIEW: Southampton Vs Liverpool 28th May 2023. Ko 3pm
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2023, 12:45:10 pm »
Can't go any higher or lower than 5th now so let's give those who haven't played much recently a chance. I'm sure Mo will be looking to get one more goal to get to 20 for the season.


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Subs: Adrian, Robertson, Phillips, Konate, Henderson, Jones, Carvalho, Salah, Firmino

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Re: MATCH PREVIEW: Southampton Vs Liverpool 28th May 2023. Ko 3pm
« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2023, 12:46:32 pm »
Hopefully some of the acadmey players are involved even if it's just off the bench, would be pretty poor if they're not.

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Re: MATCH PREVIEW: Southampton Vs Liverpool 28th May 2023. Ko 3pm
« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2023, 12:49:58 pm »
Can't go any higher or lower than 5th now so let's give those who haven't played much recently a chance. I'm sure Mo will be looking to get one more goal to get to 20 for the season.


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Subs: Adrian, Robertson, Phillips, Konate, Henderson, Jones, Carvalho, Salah, Firmino

I like it, but I’d also start Carvalho over Arthur.

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Re: MATCH PREVIEW: Southampton Vs Liverpool 28th May 2023. Ko 3pm
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2023, 12:53:35 pm »
I like it, but I’d also start Carvalho over Arthur.

I see Carvalho and Elliott as attackers really. Don't think it helps them when they are asked to play in midfield. Arthur is an out and out midfielder and that's the only reason I would start him.

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Re: MATCH PREVIEW: Southampton Vs Liverpool 28th May 2023. Ko 3pm
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2023, 12:54:46 pm »
Get the kids out and enjoy the game.

We can literally affect nothing in the league now, so a wonderful opportunity to give first team action to second-stringers and youth players.
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Re: MATCH PREVIEW: Southampton Vs Liverpool 28th May 2023. Ko 3pm
« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2023, 12:59:03 pm »
Lets go full retard.

Milner  Matip   Gomez   Tsimikas

        Keita      Melo

                AOC

  Doak      Firmino     Carvalho


Part of me hopes that Everton score two early goals so completely fucking ruin Sky's day and make this the most boring, meaningless final day in history.

What an absolutely moronic post from start to finish.

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Re: MATCH PREVIEW: Southampton Vs Liverpool 28th May 2023. Ko 3pm
« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2023, 01:02:55 pm »
Thanks for the OP Paul... good stuff! :)

Jürgen's pre-match presser...

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/b0TlBWZpLIA" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/b0TlBWZpLIA</a>

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Re: MATCH PREVIEW: Southampton Vs Liverpool 28th May 2023. Ko 3pm
« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2023, 01:34:46 pm »
Wonderful tribute Paul..all made significant contributions in arguably the greatest side this club has ever had.

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Re: MATCH PREVIEW: Southampton Vs Liverpool 28th May 2023. Ko 3pm
« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2023, 01:39:27 pm »
What an absolutely moronic post from start to finish.

Absolutely terrible post wasn't it?  :o

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Re: MATCH PREVIEW: Southampton Vs Liverpool 28th May 2023. Ko 3pm
« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2023, 03:03:20 pm »
Kelleher, Tsimikas, Matip, Konate, Trent, Fabinho, Curtis, Elliot, Diaz, Nunez, Salah

Nunez, Diaz, Curtis need minutes. Trent needs to keep getting used to the new role. I would change most of the back 5. The leaving players got their send off so no need to play them in a dead rubber away game I think.
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Re: MATCH PREVIEW: Southampton Vs Liverpool 28th May 2023. Ko 3pm
« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2023, 03:04:29 pm »
I thought the second one was suspended?

I wanted him to take it after that Villa ref performance. No point delaying it to next season  ;D
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Re: MATCH PREVIEW: Southampton Vs Liverpool 28th May 2023. Ko 3pm
« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2023, 03:36:16 pm »
Kelleher, Tsimikas, Matip, Konate, Trent, Fabinho, Curtis, Elliot, Diaz, Nunez, Salah

Nunez, Diaz, Curtis need minutes. Trent needs to keep getting used to the new role. I would change most of the back 5. The leaving players got their send off so no need to play them in a dead rubber away game I think.


Well they don't really need minutes. The season is over.

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Re: MATCH PREVIEW: Southampton Vs Liverpool 28th May 2023. Ko 3pm
« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2023, 03:44:51 pm »
Play Melo!

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« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2023, 04:45:24 pm »
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Re: MATCH PREVIEW: Southampton Vs Liverpool 28th May 2023. Ko 3pm
« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2023, 05:36:38 pm »
Can't go any higher or lower than 5th now so let's give those who haven't played much recently a chance. I'm sure Mo will be looking to get one more goal to get to 20 for the season.


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Trent          Matip          Gomez          Tsimikas


      Milner          Fabinho          Arthur


        Elliott          Nunez          Jota



Subs: Adrian, Robertson, Phillips, Konate, Henderson, Jones, Carvalho, Salah, Firmino


So play some kids them or have them on the bench. Let’s not forget most of our players will be on international duty. Rest them now.

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      Milner          Melo       Elliott


        Salah          Bobby           Jota



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Re: MATCH PREVIEW: Southampton Vs Liverpool 28th May 2023. Ko 3pm
« Reply #26 on: May 26, 2023, 05:42:12 pm »
Lets go full retard.

Care to explain?
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Re: MATCH PREVIEW: Southampton Vs Liverpool 28th May 2023. Ko 3pm
« Reply #27 on: May 26, 2023, 06:17:21 pm »
Nice one Paul, loved the OP! A lovely piece on all four of them and a fitting tribute in particular to Firmino. Still sad we won't be seeing him play for us ever again after Sunday.

It's strange to go into the final game without anything to play for, it's been a while but as long as Everton go down, I think it'll be a good day.
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Re: MATCH PREVIEW: Southampton Vs Liverpool 28th May 2023. Ko 3pm
« Reply #28 on: May 26, 2023, 06:56:17 pm »
Care to explain?
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Re: MATCH PREVIEW: Southampton Vs Liverpool 28th May 2023. Ko 3pm
« Reply #29 on: May 26, 2023, 07:34:41 pm »
Lets go full retard.

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You playing then?

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Re: MATCH PREVIEW: Southampton Vs Liverpool 28th May 2023. Ko 3pm
« Reply #30 on: May 26, 2023, 08:03:55 pm »
Any promising players at St Mary's? We could check down the back of the sofa, see if we have any of those Southampton Vouchers left...
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Re: MATCH PREVIEW: Southampton Vs Liverpool 28th May 2023. Ko 3pm
« Reply #31 on: May 26, 2023, 08:17:03 pm »
Any promising players at St Mary's? We could check down the back of the sofa, see if we have any of those Southampton Vouchers left...

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Re: MATCH PREVIEW: Southampton Vs Liverpool 28th May 2023. Ko 3pm
« Reply #32 on: May 26, 2023, 08:43:14 pm »
Any promising players at St Mary's? We could check down the back of the sofa, see if we have any of those Southampton Vouchers left...

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Re: MATCH PREVIEW: Southampton Vs Liverpool 28th May 2023. Ko 3pm
« Reply #33 on: May 26, 2023, 08:52:05 pm »
Trying to think of the last time we played a final match week game and it be entirely meaningless. The 1-6 Stoke game?

I'm guessing there will be very little defense played, a lot of goals, and nobody will really care what the result is.

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Re: MATCH PREVIEW: Southampton Vs Liverpool 28th May 2023. Ko 3pm
« Reply #34 on: May 26, 2023, 09:20:45 pm »
Trying to think of the last time we played a final match week game and it be entirely meaningless. The 1-6 Stoke game?

I'm guessing there will be very little defense played, a lot of goals, and nobody will really care what the result is.

Would like to think we put on an attacking show, will happily settle for 3-7 all guns blazing.
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Re: MATCH PREVIEW: Southampton Vs Liverpool 28th May 2023. Ko 3pm
« Reply #35 on: May 26, 2023, 09:26:49 pm »
Darwin and Doak up front would be interesting.

Give Ox and Keita a start as well as Milly. Kelleher a game as well. No pressure game, just get them to go out and enjoy themselves
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Re: MATCH PREVIEW: Southampton Vs Liverpool 28th May 2023. Ko 3pm
« Reply #36 on: May 26, 2023, 10:30:44 pm »
You playing then?
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I'm guessing there will be very little defense played, a lot of goals, and nobody will really care what the result is.
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Re: MATCH PREVIEW: Southampton Vs Liverpool 28th May 2023. Ko 3pm
« Reply #37 on: May 26, 2023, 11:13:04 pm »
Well they don't really need minutes. The season is over.

I'd rather they all be 100% fresh for pre-season

I hear you but I think they won't half volley our players in this game, I hope. I would still give them game time so they remember how important they are next season.
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Re: MATCH PREVIEW: Southampton Vs Liverpool 28th May 2023. Ko 3pm
« Reply #38 on: May 26, 2023, 11:16:58 pm »
Post-embargo presser...

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Re: MATCH PREVIEW: Southampton Vs Liverpool 28th May 2023. Ko 3pm
« Reply #39 on: May 26, 2023, 11:27:36 pm »
We can finish no higher or lower than 5th. Southampton can finish no higher or lower than 20th. Hope we do something weird and wonderful just for the hell of it. Would love Arthur to get a start, just for a laugh.