Topic: Jose Shitcoat Mourinho, the boring ballboy bothering bus driver.

[Red_Irishman]

Both Ramos and Alonso only needed one more card for a suspension, they will miss the next game (which is irrelevant as they are qualified) and will have a clean sheet for the next round.

Irish television showed footage tonight of Mourinho having a word in alonso's ear and then sending dudek up to inform casillias to tell ramos... They will be likely to get a small fine I would think

Uefa's disciplinary unit has launched an investigation into whether Real Madrid players Sergio Ramos and Xabi Alonso deliberately incurred red cards.

The Spaniards were sent off for time-wasting late on in Real Madrid's 4-0 win against Ajax in Amsterdam on Tuesday evening.

Ramos and Alonso will now miss their final Group G match, which is ultimately meaningless as Real have already wrapped up top spot.

The duo's actions have led to suggestions they purposely sought to be dismissed as to wipe their disciplinary slates clean ahead of the knock-out stages.

Real, though, have insisted Ramos and Alonso were not told to get themselves sent off versus Ajax.

On Wednesday, Uefa confirmed it is aware of the incidents and has instructed disciplinary officials to look into them before deciding whether any charges are to be brought.

Under article 5.1 of Uefa's regulations dealing with loyalty, integrity and sportsmanship, both players could be charged and have their suspensions extended.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11945_6524945,00.html

Thoughts/ opinions??

[OldCold]

Clever management.

[Legendary]

They should have just put in a hard tackle instead of time-wasting to be honest.

[happy guy]

Genius what more can you say about the best coach in world football he may be a twat but he's a successful one and that's all that matters. Clever just thinking of the bigger picture.

[killer-heels]

They should be given an extra match ban. They won't though. Probably be given a small fine worth a couple of grand.

[The G in Gerrard]

They should be given an extra match ban. They won't though. Probably be given a small fine worth a couple of grand.

2 Lyon players got fined 10k and 15k for something similar I believe?

Jose does whats best for his team. Can't see problem with that.

[RedGuy]

He didn't exactly invent that "tactic", so he's neither. I don't get the wankfest over this incident.

[mildale]

Players get deliberate cards all the time to avoid 'bigger' games. Don't see a problem with it really. Liverpool players have done it before, and will do it again.

[Ecuared]

He's both.

That isn't based on this incident, which is really just abusing a loophole in the rules, and not "cheating", but based on the fact he clearly encourages his players to dive, play injured, waste time, etc.

[redy]

Genius what more can you say about the best coach in world football he may be a twat but he's a successful one and that's all that matters. Clever just thinking of the bigger picture.

Come on. I love Jose too but it's not exactly genius. Admittedly its good attention to detail but genius?

[happy guy]

Come on. I love Jose too but it's not exactly genius. Admittedly its good attention to detail but genius?

Nah agreed its been done before no suprise,  i was describing him as a genius as a football manager read the thread title wrong.

[Brian Blessed]

He didn't exactly invent that "tactic", so he's neither. I don't get the wankfest over this incident.

exactly. This is overblown. Making it so obvious was a mistake, obviously.

[Adeemo]

Remember Rafa got Dirk to get a booking to pick up a suspension a few years ago, think it was away at PSV.

[Red_Irishman]

In fairness it was clever thinking. The fine will be meaningless to them.

[stoa]

I still don't get the thinking behind it. They still have 7 games to go to win the thing. Xabi and Ramos are now serving their ban in a game they wouldn't have played. Fair enough. However, it also means two more bookings and they're suspended again with 6 games to go before the final (with the games getting tougher and tougher). So, they'll probably miss one of the later games in the knockout stages again with a suspension. Why not simply try and "pick" up the booking in the first knock-out round (against one of the 2nd placed teams) and have only 4 games to go until the final?

You could argue that then they could be suspended in the final, but have a look at recent seasons and in most games it was clear that the refs rather looked away than book a guy who'd miss the final.

Picking up bookings to get the suspension out of the way is happening all the time (problem now is that it was so blatant and Mourinho was involved). My bigger problem is how it is a genius act when in fact it doesn't really matter...

[RJH]

exactly. This is overblown. Making it so obvious was a mistake, obviously.

Could have made it more obvious.
I remember Beckham deliberately getting booked for England years ago, and then admitting it was deliberate in an interview a day or two later.

[Samee]

He's clever.

[1021]

Clever management in this instance it isn't cheating because there is no rules that says you cannot get booked.

In general he is a bellend.

[Tomaldinho]

If your teams done well enough that you can afford to do this then good luck to you

[Royston Farcey]

Rafa did the same thing with Dirk a few years ago. You know in the good old days when we played in the Champions League. 

[Johnnyboy1973]

Definite wanker.

[Royston Farcey]

Definite wanker.

I'd love him to be our manager though.

[Promised to never post on RAWK again]

Maureen is a disgrace for the game ... I feel sorry for anyone who wants him as LFC manager ...

[Cusamano]

Massive bellend.

[1021]

Maureen is a disgrace for the game ... I feel sorry for anyone who wants him as LFC manager ...

I agree.

He is the exact opposite (personality wise) of what a Liverpool manager should be. He has a great track record and he is undoubtedly a winner, but it is as much about the man as it is the manager.

And I don't believe he has ever led his side into the battle. He is there for himself. He spends, he wins, he ups his stock and he pisses off.

And it won't happen anyway. Thank God.

[CHOPPER]

Tactical cheat of the highest order.

[Skagen]

Tactical genius.

[Royston Farcey]

I agree.

He is the exact opposite (personality wise) of what a Liverpool manager should be. He has a great track record and he is undoubtedly a winner, but it is as much about the man as it is the manager.

I agree he is the exact oposite, he wins titles for a start.
If Mourinho ever did manage us we would delighted with him instantly.

[rushyman]

Im going for 'c*nt'

[gamble]

mourinho is a cock, and gutted at xabi being a sell out for the twat.

[bigbear]

Maureen is a disgrace for the game ... I feel sorry for anyone who wants him as LFC manager ...

but when Rafa got Dirk to do it 2 years ago that was clever......

Mourinho is a winner, there's nothing wrong with that.

Surely it is a manager's job to give his side the edge and that is what he does. He gets the best out of his players too and you don't get that from 4 different sets of players by being a wanker.

He is a top class manager.

[Promised to never post on RAWK again]

but when Rafa got Dirk to do it 2 years ago that was clever......

Mourinho is a winner, there's nothing wrong with that.

Surely it is a manager's job to give his side the edge and that is what he does. He gets the best out of his players too and you don't get that from 4 different sets of players by being a wanker.

He is a top class manager.

To be honest, I would rather have Roy as our manager, than that self-centered ego-maniac ... And I don't like Roy that much ...

[SP]

It reminds me of the Ferrari team orders debacle. It is not so much that it happened, but more that they had the monstrous arrogance to rub everyone's noses in it.

Like so much that Maureen does, it was classless. It could all have been done more subtly.

Personally I would have liked the ref to have given them a straight red for taking the piss (which should be a red card offence).

[bigbear]

To be honest, I would rather have Roy as our manager, than that self-centered ego-maniac ... And I don't like Roy that much ...

You must enjoy us being shite then.

Mourinho would be loved at Liverpool very quickly.

[1021]

I agree he is the exact oposite, he wins titles for a start.
If Mourinho ever did manage us we would delighted with him instantly.

I don't think any fan with an ounce of understanding the club would be delighted instantly or otherwise.
He wins titles, true. But he wins them for himself not the club. The club is irrelevant to him.

The two biggest nights of his career, the two CL finals.
Were huge matches for his clubs at the time, years of European obscurity, suddenly the Champions of Europe.

Yet the images of those nights ingrained in our/their memory are not Javier Zanetti, one of the most loyal and outstanding footballers of his generation finally getting his reward and moment of glory lifting the cup or Porto's improbable cup run ending in glory and sights of delighted players and the crowd revelling in the moment......

No, they are the soft bastard ripping his medal off and pissing of down the tunnel, or him walking down the stairs for the personal lap of honour he felt he deserved. The cameras actually panned from Zanetti on the podium to watch this self congratulative bastard soak in his own glory. 

I'm not turning this into a Rafa vs Mourinho thing. But compare the image of Mourinho post CL victories with Rafa stood on the back of the podium hugging Morientes and having a chat with a huge grin. That right there is what we want from a manager. Genius and humility in equal measure. Jose might speak 5 languages but he doesn't know the word humility in any of them.

I'd rather Liverpool not win another title than win it in the manner Mourinho does.
Even Mr Ferguson has the decency not to run all over the pitch and steal the moment from his players or supporters.

And its all irrelevant because it will never happen.

[Dr Cornwallis]

Exploited a gaping loop-hole in the UEFA handbook, and knows full well they won't go after Real Madrid.  Fair play to him, I'd have probably told my players to do exactly the same thing.

[LiverLuke]

I don't think any fan with an ounce of understanding the club would be delighted instantly or otherwise.
He wins titles, true. But he wins them for himself not the club. The club is irrelevant to him.

The two biggest nights of his career, the two CL finals.
Were huge matches for his clubs at the time, years of European obscurity, suddenly the Champions of Europe.

Yet the images of those nights ingrained in our/their memory are not Javier Zanetti, one of the most loyal and outstanding footballers of his generation finally getting his reward and moment of glory lifting the cup or Porto's improbable cup run ending in glory and sights of delighted players and the crowd revelling in the moment......

No, they are the soft bastard ripping his medal off and pissing of down the tunnel, or him walking down the stairs for the personal lap of honour he felt he deserved. The cameras actually panned from Zanetti on the podium to watch this self congratulative bastard soak in his own glory. 

I'm not turning this into a Rafa vs Mourinho thing. But compare the image of Mourinho post CL victories with Rafa stood on the back of the podium hugging Morientes and having a chat with a huge grin. That right there is what we want from a manager. Genius and humility in equal measure. Jose might speak 5 languages but he doesn't know the word humility in any of them.

I'd rather Liverpool not win another title than win it in the manner Mourinho does.
Even Mr Ferguson has the decency not to run all over the pitch and steal the moment from his players or supporters.

And its all irrelevant because it will never happen.

very well said, doesnt know class or humility. A great manager but a cock.

[Spanish Al]

Im not surprised Xabi did it, as he got fucked over by Gudjohnson and the ref when he got suspended in 05. That should have been reviewed, and Xabi should have been allowed to play in the 2nd leg. He wont wanna miss another big game.

[SP]

You must enjoy us being shite then.

Mourinho would be loved at Liverpool very quickly.

He wouldn't. It would be about him, not the club. The antithesis of the Liverpool Way.

It is moot anyway, I don't think he is an NESV kind of guy.

[Promised to never post on RAWK again]

Mourinho would be loved at Liverpool very quickly.

Nah, I am not buying that ... Maureen simply doesn't belong at LFC ... There are other winners out there, and they have at least a bit of class ... Maureen has none, therefore, he is not fit to manage our great sporting institution ...