Topic: Fabinho

[newterp]

He just needs at least one dynamic player to help - otherwise he's being asked to do way too much.

[sattapaartridge]

He's a great great player, but you know what, he could be getting complacent with no one threatening his place. If we had a player who kept Fabinho on his toes, I'm sure he'll be sharper. With only Henderson and Bajectic at the club, and injuries to Ox, Thiago and Keita, we are light in defensive midfield depth?

Its early doors, but we did also have one of the longest seasons of all time last year, and some players could be feeling the effects of it this year. The world cup coming in the middle of the season might actually help us.

[Elzar]

I didn't think Fabinho was that bad considering he was left completely alone for a lot of the game. He turned into our main creative player, which was the issue as that shouldn't fall to him. Get the bodies around him and suddenly he has a pass on, and him getting done once or twice doesn't become that much of an issue.

You look at their goal on Monday, Salah is with the ball on the edge of the area, Nunez and Milner are in centre forward spots. Elliot Right wing, Trent and Diaz in attacking midfield and Robertson left wing. That seems like massive overkill to me, and I don't remember us setting up like that at 0-0 in the first half before. Fabinho then gets done and it's a simple pass through for Zaha to run on to. If Zaha hadn't got his control right, Palace still had 3 players running from midfield, and we only had Van Dijk, Phillips and Robertson who had sprinted back from the opposition box. Not saying the goal could have been prevented with another player deeper, but it left us vulnerable and without structure constantly, and the goal shows a good example of that.

It was like this all game. When Fabinho did have the ball, the option was a pass down the right wing or lofting it over the top in hope.

[HeartAndSoul]

Has he lost a leg or something? He’s moving round the pitch like he’s in quicksand.

[NaivetyinBlack]

Knackered, like almost everyone else.

[Phineus]

Feel for the guy, he has an ocean to cover whilst his midfield partners play like full backs or wingers.

He’ll be fine once he’s in a more compact shape, he’s always been slow over large spaces.

[Fiasco]

Has he lost a leg or something? He’s moving round the pitch like he’s in quicksand.

He's never been quick. He's just often been positionally great with long legs. Now though he's playing a lot of minutes in a side that isn't performing and has no energy in the areas he needs assistance in.


He's off form, but the team is exposing him more.

[MonsLibpool]

He's never been quick. He's just often been positionally great with long legs. Now though he's playing a lot of minutes in a side that isn't performing and has no energy in the areas he needs assistance in.


He's off form, but the team is exposing him more.

It's who he's playing with. He looked better after the subs.

[KirkVanHouten]

He's never been quick. He's just often been positionally great with long legs. Now though he's playing a lot of minutes in a side that isn't performing and has no energy in the areas he needs assistance in.


He's off form, but the team is exposing him more.

Precisely. Stick a prime Gini and Hendo either side of him, he’d look great again I’m sure

[Sharado]

Precisely. Stick a prime Gini and Hendo either side of him, he’d look great again I’m sure

100% - for me he isn't one of our bigger concerns. He's being completely exposed by ill fitting players alongside him in midfield meaning he has to get through a near impossible amoint of work.

[Bergersrightwingviews]

100% - for me he isn't one of our bigger concerns. He's being completely exposed by ill fitting players alongside him in midfield meaning he has to get through a near impossible amoint of work.

This. He can’t cover the entire midfield and drop back between the CBs. He needs midfield partners with good engines to cover ground too.

[pathetic]

It's basically been a one man midfield this season. What are people expecting exactly? Of course you'll look slow if you have to cover for absolutely everyone around you.

[killer-heels]

The only caveat Ill put to him is that he and the midfield were shocking against Fulham. After that though the system has definitely exposed him.

[William Regal]

I do think he's vastly operated by our fan base, good when he has the running power of Henderson and Gini around him but poor when he doesn't get that protection.

Players who play the anchor are usually very consistent but I feel he has a lot of off days, when you see Henderson in that position he is constantly organising and doesn't shut up getting people around him at it, he doesn't let our standards drop, but for me Fabinho has no leadership qualities and doesn't organise, if he's being isolated (which he is) then he needs to be telling Elliot in no uncertain terms, he needs to be telling Trent that brainless kamikaze bombing down the right is making us piss easy to counter attack against. His communication for a position that sees everything on the pitch is not good enough imo, he needs to stop being given a free pass on his performances and wake the fuck up.

[MonsLibpool]

I do think he's vastly operated by our fan base, good when he has the running power of Henderson and Gini around him but poor when he doesn't get that protection.

Players who play the anchor are usually very consistent but I feel he has a lot of off days, when you see Henderson in that position he is constantly organising and doesn't shut up getting people around him at it, he doesn't let our standards drop, but for me Fabinho has no leadership qualities and doesn't organise, if he's being isolated (which he is) then he needs to be telling Elliot in no uncertain terms, he needs to be telling Trent that brainless kamikaze bombing down the right is making us piss easy to counter attack against. His communication for a position that sees everything on the pitch is not good enough imo, he needs to stop being given a free pass on his performances and wake the fuck up.

Every 6 in the world would look hopeless with so much space to cover.

[William Regal]

Every 6 in the world would look hopeless with so much space to cover.

He needs to organise and be a leader in that position,  the only time I see him open his mouth is when he's having a go at the ref for giving a foul away.

[Passmaster Molby]

He looked like he had just finished an all you can eat Brazilian barbecue 20 minutes before kick off. Looks like he has lost 5 yards of pace never mind 1.

[MonsLibpool]

He needs to organise and be a leader in that position,  the only time I see him open his mouth is when he's having a go at the ref for giving a foul away.

True but I wouldn't blame him though. Milner keeps flying into tackles taking himself out of the game and he can't get back anyway.

[Studgotelli]

Flaco is one of the least of our worries get it together in here. He’s not the quickest but he’s a one man midfield atm. Has zero protection and we turnover the ball like crazy from all positions. Of course he’s not gonna look good.

[William Regal]

True but I wouldn't blame him though. Milner keeps flying into tackles taking himself out of the game and he can't get back anyway.

When you play anchor, you are the gaffer of your midfield,  you see everything, you constantly organise and get your midfielders positionally in the right position. I agree Milner diving in all over is a problem I agree Elliott being out of positionally is a problem,  Fabino needs to be organising it and letting people know in no uncertain terms, it just amazes me how he always gets a free pass from the fans.

[DelTrotter]

When you play anchor, you are the gaffer of your midfield,  you see everything, you constantly organise and get your midfielders positionally in the right position. I agree Milner diving in all over is a problem I agree Elliott being out of positionally is a problem,  Fabino needs to be organising it and letting people know in no uncertain terms, it just amazes me how he always gets a free pass from the fans.

What do you want people to do? Protest?

Loads have said he's not playing well. Not sure what else you want.

[SamLad]

When you play anchor, you are the gaffer of your midfield,  you see everything, you constantly organise and get your midfielders positionally in the right position. I agree Milner diving in all over is a problem I agree Elliott being out of positionally is a problem,  Fabino needs to be organising it and letting people know in no uncertain terms, it just amazes me how he always gets a free pass from the fans.

LOL so now we're doing poorly coz Fab isn't yelling his head off?  jesus wept. 

and what "free pass" are you talking about ffs?

[WhereAngelsPlay]

No fucker gets a free pass from our fans,there's always a fucking William that comes along.

[Ghost Town]

I do think he's vastly operated by our fan base,

That probably explains why he's been playing poorly, if he's post-op every game.

Fans need to put their scalpels away...

[Gerry Attrick]

He was a great player but never blessed with much pace. Now his legs appear to be going it’s making him look bad. Ordinarily in this situation you would have athletes in midfield to compensate for it but we don’t. Even Real Madrid have changed the way they play now their midfield is old. They’re way more solid and counter attack, as opposed to dominating games all over the place.

[William Regal]

I don't think it's a case of his legs going, it's his inability to organise the midfield when Henderson isn't in the side doing that for him.

There's a reason why our win percentage doesn't change when fabinho misses games and a reason why liverpools win percentage absolutely plummets whenever Henderson doesn't start in midfield.

If Henderson plays 6 he is a massive leader, he never shuts up organising and making sure everyone is at it. When Henderson is an 8 he still brings those qualities, a huge workrate, he's constantly covering Trent, he's in his ear making sure the workrrate never stops, that the intensity is there from everyone around him.

Fabinho doesn't lead and he doesn't organise, as a 6 he can see Elliott is out of position, he can see Trent making stupid runs that's leaving us so easy to hit on the counter with Elliott out of position as well but he's doing nothing about it, Henderson would be going apeshit at Trent and Elliott.

This page just sums it up for me, people making him blameless, saying he's the last of our problems, the guy needs to pull his finger out, with Henderson injured you organise and make it compact around him and make sure our intensity doesn't drop. He's not doing that.

[DelTrotter]

I don't think it's a case of his legs going, it's his inability to organise the midfield when Henderson isn't in the side doing that for him.

There's a reason why our win percentage doesn't change when fabinho misses games and a reason why liverpools win percentage absolutely plummets whenever Henderson doesn't start in midfield.

If Henderson plays 6 he is a massive leader, he never shuts up organising and making sure everyone is at it. When Henderson is an 8 he still brings those qualities, a huge workrate, he's constantly covering Trent, he's in his ear making sure the workrrate never stops, that the intensity is there from everyone around him.

Fabinho doesn't lead and he doesn't organise, as a 6 he can see Elliott is out of position, he can see Trent making stupid runs that's leaving us so easy to hit on the counter with Elliott out of position as well but he's doing nothing about it, Henderson would be going apeshit at Trent and Elliott.

This page just sums it up for me, people making him blameless, saying he's the last of our problems, the guy needs to pull his finger out, with Henderson injured you organise and make it compact around him and make sure our intensity doesn't drop. He's not doing that.

 

[El Lobo]

Must be tough for players knowing they’re six games from being overrated

[Funky_Gibbons]

How is he expected to make the team compact when we're deliberately spreading our players when in possession to make the pitch as big as possible? We often have both fullbacks pushed up and the central midfielders pulling into wide areas. That leaves massive gaps for teams to exploit when we lose possession.

At that point he can't be issuing instructions to players to get compact, he needs to help stop the counter attack. It's the players responsibility to get back behind the ball and help defend.

[killer-heels]

He was a great player but never blessed with much pace. Now his legs appear to be going it’s making him look bad. Ordinarily in this situation you would have athletes in midfield to compensate for it but we don’t. Even Real Madrid have changed the way they play now their midfield is old. They’re way more solid and counter attack, as opposed to dominating games all over the place.

Not sure how you can say his legs are going, he is only 29. He is basically playing as a one man midfield and the space he has to cover is huge.

A couple of seasons ago I think we played Bruge or Genk or one of those sides away and we had Keita, him and Ox in midfield (it was the one that Ox scored that goal with the outside of his boot). In that game Keita and Ox pushed right forward and Fabinho was basically on his own and near the end of that he was flagging and struggling physically.

He isnt a Kante and even then Kante is always told to be involved in play further up the field.

[red vinyl]

It was Genk away, and they basically are a mid table Championship side.

[Raid]

Word for this man tonight. Fantastic out there

[Fiasco]

Word for this man tonight. Fantastic out there

Best game for quite some time from him. Looked like his old self.

[Simplexity]

Best game for quite some time from him. Looked like his old self.

Helps to get another midfielder next to him.

[killer-heels]

Best game for quite some time from him. Looked like his old self.

Helps though when you are not asked to cover the entire midfield.

[Fiasco]

Agreed on both counts

[didi shamone]

Helps though when you are not asked to cover the entire midfield.

Exactly. He controls that central area brilliantly  but he's not a Mascherano, Kante type that covers large spaces.

[RedG13]

Best game for quite some time from him. Looked like his old self.

Agreed. Only complaint would be the goal to Ajak he should be much closer and helping there for the cutback otherwise played as excepted and did the job very well.

[StL-Dono]

I know a lot of people have been saying, but I hadn't really noticed it so much until Brighton. 

I'm worried about Fab.  Seriously, I wonder if he's sustained some head injuries along the way that maybe he hasn't fully recovered from. 

His reaction time and reflexes just seem seriously slowed.  He was a step or two behind the ball all match long.  He's never been the fastest in terms of speed, but seems he's made up for it by smarts and instincts.  But today it just seemed there was a serious delay in his reactions. 

Time to put Hendo in that role more often maybe?

[Xanderzone]

He was MOTM in the 4-0 win against Arsenal last November/December.

Since then he's played like he's wearing ice skates pretty much every time he turns out.

Hard to understand what's happened to him. He's gone from probably the meanest DM in the country to get past to the easiest.