Author Topic: The 2019 Formula One Thread (Read 140083 times)

Paul_h · « **Reply #160 on:** February 15, 2019, 10:42:30 am »

looks like a matt finish?

CraigDS · « **Reply #161 on:** February 15, 2019, 10:45:48 am »

Looks quite boxy, if that makes sense.

paulrazor · « **Reply #162 on:** February 15, 2019, 10:48:40 am »

Quote from: CraigDS on February 15, 2019, 10:45:48 am

Looks quite boxy, if that makes sense.

makes plenty of sense as thats how i described the williams

ferrari is nice but the Mission whoever they are take away from it a bit. if it wasnt on the shark fin and rear wing and they were just red it would be great

Darren G · « **Reply #163 on:** February 15, 2019, 11:01:27 am »

Quote from: Hellrazor on February 15, 2019, 10:48:40 am

makes plenty of sense as thats how i described the williams

ferrari is nice but the Mission whoever they are take away from it a bit. if it wasnt on the shark fin and rear wing and they were just red it would be great

Mission Winnow is Philip Morris. It's basically thinly-disguised, subliminal tobacco advertising. I don't mind the look of it and it looks better (less boxy) in the launch video than the picture shown above.

Upinsmoke · « **Reply #164 on:** February 15, 2019, 11:04:51 am »

I don't mind the black. Makes it a bit more aggressive looking. I'm not into the Mission thing either, the logo and such, wasn't last year as well.

gazzalfc · « **Reply #165 on:** February 15, 2019, 11:16:11 am »

It's got some square shoulders/elbows. Does make the cars look more aggressive.

Going to be really interesting to see them out on a track. Hamilton already talking the Mercedes up after doing a few shake down laps.

paulrazor · « **Reply #166 on:** February 15, 2019, 11:45:42 am »

Quote from: Darren G on February 15, 2019, 11:01:27 am

Mission Winnow is Philip Morris. It's basically thinly-disguised, subliminal tobacco advertising. I don't mind the look of it and it looks better (less boxy) in the launch video than the picture shown above.

yep ive heard that before, was just too lazy to research

i always love seeing the new ferrari

IgorBobbins · « **Reply #167 on:** February 15, 2019, 12:01:42 pm »

Not a fan of the new trend of matte finishes. F1 cars should be as shiny as a well polished apple

PhilV · « **Reply #168 on:** February 15, 2019, 12:10:55 pm »

Quote from: Hellrazor on February 15, 2019, 10:48:40 am

makes plenty of sense as thats how i described the williams

ferrari is nice but the Mission whoever they are take away from it a bit. if it wasnt on the shark fin and rear wing and they were just red it would be great

Mission is just a sub company created to advertise PMI (Philip Morris International) as I understand it as Tobacco Advertising is illegal?

On the Mission website it's just a bunch of mumbo jumbo about leading change etc but can't really see what they do besides being an arm of a global tobacco company

Quote from: Darren G on February 15, 2019, 11:01:27 am

Mission Winnow is Philip Morris. It's basically thinly-disguised, subliminal tobacco advertising. I don't mind the look of it and it looks better (less boxy) in the launch video than the picture shown above.

nvm Darren got there first

TepidT2O · « **Reply #169 on:** February 15, 2019, 01:40:52 pm »

The Ferrari is pig ugly. Again

The black halo doesn’t help

Qston · « **Reply #170 on:** February 15, 2019, 01:48:30 pm »

Quote from: Tepid T₂O on February 15, 2019, 01:40:52 pm

The Ferrari is pig ugly. Again

The black halo doesn’t help

With you on that Tepid.

Not a nice looking car at all

paulrazor · « **Reply #171 on:** February 15, 2019, 03:25:44 pm »

i actually didnt notice the black halo until tepid said it

it should be red

Paul_h · « **Reply #172 on:** February 15, 2019, 03:33:59 pm »

growing on me...

CornerFlag · « **Reply #173 on:** February 15, 2019, 04:00:33 pm »

There was someone's mock-up of the Williams that I saw on Reddit that's ten times better than the real thing.

paulrazor · « **Reply #174 on:** February 15, 2019, 04:27:55 pm »

thats great

TepidT2O · « **Reply #175 on:** February 15, 2019, 06:24:48 pm »

Quote from: Hellrazor on February 15, 2019, 03:25:44 pm

i actually didnt notice the black halo until tepid said it

it should be red

It was black last year too. Just wrong.

Upinsmoke · « **Reply #176 on:** February 15, 2019, 08:21:14 pm »

It was red with a yellow Ferrari logo last year

clinical · « **Reply #177 on:** February 16, 2019, 09:59:02 am »

Still can't work out why Mercedes would want inwash front wing end plates. Anyone have an idea why?

TepidT2O · « **Reply #178 on:** February 16, 2019, 10:04:02 am »

Quote from: clinical on February 16, 2019, 09:59:02 am

Still can't work out why Mercedes would want inwash front wing end plates. Anyone have an idea why?

What do you mean?

Looking at them, they seem the same as the other teams.

clinical · « **Reply #179 on:** February 16, 2019, 10:36:42 am »

Quote from: Tepid T₂O on February 16, 2019, 10:04:02 am

What do you mean?

Looking at them, they seem the same as the other teams.

The end plates on frontwing bend inwards towards the car. All other cars outwards to direct flow outside of front tyres.

They make a point about it on autosport saying it was used in 2009 but didn't work so teams changed.

"Uniquely, the endplate wall curves slightly inboard, probably working in conjunction with the shape of the adjacent elements in creating a vortex that helps with the outwash of the airflow".

Also good read

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.mercedes-ferrari-and-red-bull-analysing-the-top-three-teams'-2019-cars.4jH8dBiwETug4j1LyC3P1w.html

bradders1011 · « **Reply #180 on:** February 16, 2019, 02:00:58 pm »

Quote from: clinical on February 16, 2019, 09:59:02 am

Still can't work out why Mercedes would want inwash front wing end plates. Anyone have an idea why?

Good analysis from Scarbs here:

https://www.racefans.net/2019/02/15/mercedes-w10-technical-analysis/

TepidT2O · « **Reply #181 on:** February 16, 2019, 02:47:57 pm »

Quote from: clinical on February 16, 2019, 10:36:42 am

The end plates on frontwing bend inwards towards the car. All other cars outwards to direct flow outside of front tyres.

They make a point about it on autosport saying it was used in 2009 but didn't work so teams changed.

"Uniquely, the endplate wall curves slightly inboard, probably working in conjunction with the shape of the adjacent elements in creating a vortex that helps with the outwash of the airflow".

Also good read

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.mercedes-ferrari-and-red-bull-analysing-the-top-three-teams'-2019-cars.4jH8dBiwETug4j1LyC3P1w.html

Cheers. It’s very subtle, wouldn’t have noticed it.

Will be interesting to see them in action

clinical · « **Reply #182 on:** February 16, 2019, 05:34:12 pm »

Quote from: bradders1011 on February 16, 2019, 02:00:58 pm

Good analysis from Scarbs here:

https://www.racefans.net/2019/02/15/mercedes-w10-technical-analysis/

Cheers

dirkster · « **Reply #183 on:** February 16, 2019, 09:55:30 pm »

Fascinating documentary on the Williams team on BBC 2 right now

voodoo ray · « **Reply #184 on:** February 16, 2019, 10:52:42 pm »

Quote from: dirkster on February 16, 2019, 09:55:30 pm

Fascinating documentary on the Williams team on BBC 2 right now

they didn't mention it but I'm sure I read somewhere that there were a couple of them racing back to the airport when he had his crash.

Welshred · « **Reply #185 on:** February 17, 2019, 10:55:00 am »

Williams to miss the first day of testing

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/47270111

Darren G · « **Reply #186 on:** February 17, 2019, 11:20:51 am »

Quote from: IgorBobbins on February 15, 2019, 12:01:42 pm

Not a fan of the new trend of matte finishes. F1 cars should be as shiny as a well polished apple

They save around half a kilo in weight with matt paint though.

Graeme · « **Reply #187 on:** February 18, 2019, 10:17:35 am »

F1 Testing underway.

Red Bull back with traditional livery.

Fastest time on Day 1 last year was Danny Ric with a 1:20.179

Current fastest time is Vettel with 1:19.706 but note that by the end of testing last year the front runners were in the 1min 17s

paulrazor · « **Reply #188 on:** February 18, 2019, 10:26:28 am »

https://www.autosport.com/f1/live/2853769/barcelona-f1-test-day-one-2019

gazzalfc · « **Reply #189 on:** February 18, 2019, 11:03:10 am »

Lap count approaching three hours in:

Vettel - 46
Bottas - 38
Hulkenberg - 38
Verstappen - 35
Sainz - 34
Raikkonen - 24
Perez - 12
Grosjean - 12
Kvyat - 12

paulrazor · « **Reply #190 on:** February 18, 2019, 11:28:29 am »

the merc regularly looks bomb proof in pre season testing

ferrari too

usually the renault and honda engined cars struggle a bit

paulrazor · « **Reply #191 on:** February 18, 2019, 11:31:51 am »

11:30 Verstappen and Kvyat are out in the Honda-powered Red Bull and Toro Rosso respectively. Frankly, both cars sound like tractors

lol

TepidT2O · « **Reply #192 on:** February 18, 2019, 11:38:54 am »

The Honda hasnt broken down yet though. This is progress

Trump's tiny tiny hands · « **Reply #193 on:** February 18, 2019, 11:48:51 am »

Quote from: Tepid T₂O on February 18, 2019, 11:38:54 am

The Honda hasnt broken down yet though. This is progress

Fastest in the speed traps too.

Speed trap figures at the end of the main straight:

Verstappen 320km/h
Perez 319km/h
Sainz 318km/h
Raikkonen 318km/h
Vettel 314km/h
Grosjean 307km/h

Encouraging for Renault powered cars, if they really are playing safety first and turning the engine down in the early tests.

Graeme · « **Reply #194 on:** February 18, 2019, 12:15:10 pm »

Very interesting that the Red Bull is fastest in the traps. We all know that Adrian Newey could make a piece of dog shit aerodynamically fantastic, so fastest in a straight line as well is promising. Obviously extremely early yet.

paulrazor · « **Reply #195 on:** February 18, 2019, 12:20:03 pm »

all closely matched. 4 top speed traps go honda, merc, renault, ferrari and seperated by next to nothing

paulrazor · « **Reply #196 on:** February 18, 2019, 12:23:12 pm »

12:21 Claire Williams: "It is looking more likely than not that we will now not be in a position to run on track until Wednesday at the earliest. This is obviously extremely disappointing, but it is unfortunately the situation we are in. We will be getting the FW42 on track as soon as we are able."

oh dear

Graeme · « **Reply #197 on:** February 18, 2019, 12:24:56 pm »

Oh dear indeed. I really wanted them to have a good season. They’ve fallen a long way in the last 2-3 years.

TepidT2O · « **Reply #198 on:** February 18, 2019, 12:42:48 pm »

Quote from: Graeme on February 18, 2019, 12:15:10 pm

Very interesting that the Red Bull is fastest in the traps. We all know that Adrian Newey could make a piece of dog shit aerodynamically fantastic, so fastest in a straight line as well is promising. Obviously extremely early yet.

I wouldn’t read anything into these times today if I’m honest

gazzalfc · « **Reply #199 on:** February 18, 2019, 01:11:15 pm »

Laps are the only thing I'm interested during testing. The likes of Ferrari and Mercedes were always going to be strong. But stamina and reliability for the rest of the teams is the the biggest indicator.

Williams losing 2 days of testing is a real gut punch.

This season has the potential to be truly competitive in the middle order so want every team to get a fair crack at it