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Re: Fox News - still lying to the planet.
« Reply #200 on: October 15, 2006, 04:56:28 pm »




Whatever.

The surest and strongest indication that you are deeply insecure about your beliefs is that you cannot tolerate even the slightest criticism of America or the 'American Way'.  All countries get some things right and some things wrong. If one country got everything right we would all move there. 

Ultimately you pay your money and make your choice.

To assert anything else is delusional.
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Re: Fox News - still lying to the planet.
« Reply #201 on: October 15, 2006, 05:56:45 pm »
Question for you. If American universities are the best and Americans make up the major portion of students going to American Universities----how is it American "awful" State Schools are so bad as that is where the kids come from to get into University? You got me there..

You cannot make a comparison to US high schools, and Universities.  Every county in America has at least one high school, and you cannot say that every county has a Uni or college.  If American schools are so good, how come there aren't an equal amount of universities to accomadate all of these high schools' students?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_high_schools_in_the_United_States

vs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_the_US

And even if a person is guaranteed a spot they have to be able to afford it.

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Re: Fox News - still lying to the planet.
« Reply #202 on: October 15, 2006, 11:02:05 pm »


Whatever.

The surest and strongest indication that you are deeply insecure about your beliefs is that you cannot tolerate even the slightest criticism of America or the 'American Way'.  All countries get some things right and some things wrong. If one country got everything right we would all move there. 

Ultimately you pay your money and make your choice.

To assert anything else is delusional.

LOL.

One thing I am not is insecure about my beliefs.

Nor is it a problem with tolerating criticism about the USA. One doesn't have to look far in these forums to find criticism about the USA. However, I will chime in when people gets their facts wrong or are misguided in the criticism. As will others.

Other than that it's all about opinions. And isn't it funny who the less tolerant are when it comes to opinions. Who "hates" the most? Read their opinions. Which ones constantly try to belittle me or others for our opinions? It surely isn't the tolerant liberals now is it...lol

I guess the problem is I am not like others. I don't take other peoples opinions personally. Unless they make personal derogatory remarks. As has been the case. Oh those tolerant liberals and socialists. And because I don't take other peoples opinions personally, I am always amazed when others take mine personally or what ever it is that sets them off.

I'll guarantee you the USA isn't perfect. There are to many Democrats... :nirnir
now where's that sarcasm smilie..

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Re: Fox News - still lying to the planet.
« Reply #203 on: October 15, 2006, 11:14:37 pm »
Eric:

Just for you....

Does TexasNextStep cover all costs?

TexasNextStep would guarantee payment of in-district tuition, all required fees and $30 per semester credit hour for textbooks for up to 90 semester credit hours. The textbook component is particularly valuable since textbooks today are costing as much or more than the cost of the coursework.

The program would not cover living expenses or other incidentals, but because there are community and technical colleges throughout this state, students could elect to live at home as a way to control those expenses.

Additionally, students wishing to attend a community college or junior college, but live outside of the taxing district of that community or junior college, would be required to pay the difference between the in-district and out-of-district tuition and fees.
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The above is for ALL Texas High School graduates.

There is also another program where the top 10% of each Texas high school is guaranteed admission to one of the States universities--if they so choose. That was developed for those who were smart and had no way to pay for University. ( let me add this was passed when Bush was Governor).

Every county does not have a University, true . But every State has loads of public Community colleges and State universities, along with private colleges and universities.


Over to you Eric...
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Re: Fox News - still lying to the planet.
« Reply #204 on: October 16, 2006, 12:42:57 am »
LOL.

One thing I am not is insecure about my beliefs.

Nor is it a problem with tolerating criticism about the USA. One doesn't have to look far in these forums to find criticism about the USA. However, I will chime in when people gets their facts wrong or are misguided in the criticism. As will others.

Other than that it's all about opinions. And isn't it funny who the less tolerant are when it comes to opinions. Who "hates" the most? Read their opinions. Which ones constantly try to belittle me or others for our opinions? It surely isn't the tolerant liberals now is it...lol

I guess the problem is I am not like others. I don't take other peoples opinions personally. Unless they make personal derogatory remarks. As has been the case. Oh those tolerant liberals and socialists. And because I don't take other peoples opinions personally, I am always amazed when others take mine personally or what ever it is that sets them off.

I'll guarantee you the USA isn't perfect. There are to many Democrats... :nirnir
now where's that sarcasm smilie..



If you didn't take opinions personally, you'd never talk about "personal attacks".  Anything that doesn't jibe with your opinion is a personal attack.  This is a serious sign of immaturity and could go as far as something I'd need to look up in a DSM manual.

You wouldn't be trying to convert all of us to your distorted world view.  I find you to be the most insecure of all in your beliefs, because you never paint the whole picture, just the picture you like.  I've got nothing against the other right wingers here because they're much more coherent with their arguments (WillieBob, nyctex).  Those guys know they're not going to convert anyone.

Now until you figure out why I took that tone of voice against you earlier in the thread, nothing I said was a personal attack.  I'll leave that one for you to figure out (that is if your mind is actually advanced enough to grasp the concept).
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Re: Fox News - still lying to the planet.
« Reply #205 on: October 16, 2006, 12:58:48 am »

NY-AmericanRed, stare into the picture below and say out loud " George W Bush is a good man, George W Bush is a good man.." .  Continue to chant the mantra whilst staring at the picture until you get a feeling of warmth and well being all over your body. At this point close your eyes and enjoy a short nap, when you awake you will recognize GWB as the good man that he truely is.

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« Reply #206 on: October 16, 2006, 01:03:41 am »
NY-AmericanRed, stare into the picture below and say out loud " George W Bush is a good man, George W Bush is a good man.." .  Continue to chant the mantra whilst staring at the picture until you get a feeling of warmth and well being all over your body. At this point close your eyes and enjoy a short nap, when you awake you will recognize GWB as the good man that he truely is.



See, at least you've got a sense of humor...

Only if you look into your own picture, follow your advice and tell me Bill Clinton and John Murtha are good men, maybe I'll oblige  :D

Then we'll all sit around the campfire and sing Kumbaya.
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Re: Fox News - still lying to the planet.
« Reply #207 on: October 16, 2006, 06:02:58 am »
Eric:

Just for you....

Does TexasNextStep cover all costs?

TexasNextStep would guarantee payment of in-district tuition, all required fees and $30 per semester credit hour for textbooks for up to 90 semester credit hours. The textbook component is particularly valuable since textbooks today are costing as much or more than the cost of the coursework.

The program would not cover living expenses or other incidentals, but because there are community and technical colleges throughout this state, students could elect to live at home as a way to control those expenses.

Additionally, students wishing to attend a community college or junior college, but live outside of the taxing district of that community or junior college, would be required to pay the difference between the in-district and out-of-district tuition and fees.
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The above is for ALL Texas High School graduates.

There is also another program where the top 10% of each Texas high school is guaranteed admission to one of the States universities--if they so choose. That was developed for those who were smart and had no way to pay for University. ( let me add this was passed when Bush was Governor).

Every county does not have a University, true . But every State has loads of public Community colleges and State universities, along with private colleges and universities.


Over to you Eric...
The lists I linked included private schools. 

Texasnextstep is in theory a good thing, but in practice, not that great as it takes away tax money from under performing elementary schools.  First, it only is good for 2 year community colleges and technical schools, which is great, but not the pie in the sky that you make it out to be.  And community colleges and technical schools aren't the "best universities" you spoke of earlier.

Your argument was that state run education isn't that awful.  Well here you go:

http://www.ed.gov/news/pressreleases/2004/12/12062004a.html

PISA Results Show Need for High School Reform
U.S. 15-year-olds outperformed by other nations in mathematics, problem-solving

"America's 15-year-olds performed below the international average in mathematics literacy and problem-solving, according to the latest results from the Program for International Student Assessment (PISA). The test, given in the spring of 2003, assesses the abilities of 15-year-old students from 41 countries (including 30 of the most developed) to apply learning to problems with a real-world context."

Now for once I agree with you, there are too many democrats.

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Re: Fox News - still lying to the planet.
« Reply #208 on: October 16, 2006, 10:36:17 am »




I'm starting to understand why Cheney shoots his mates in the face
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Re: Fox News - still lying to the planet.
« Reply #209 on: October 16, 2006, 10:55:29 am »
And you however, fudge, probably consider you're own views to be totally unbiased and free from any feelings of affiliation to one political persuasion or another?

If not then the views expreesed by you and quoted above could quite easliy be applied to yourself, except for the fact that the last bit would have to be changed to read "accepting that the US is going down a fundamentally morally right road.

We all approach subjects with our own political and moral bias,these sorts of opinions only change over time and not during the course of a topic. So it's a bit rich to citicize somebody for holding a political or moral opinion,solely because it doesn't mirror your own.

No ones views are unbiased, thats what happens when you have opinions but to deliberately alter the way the news is reported to the degree Fox is should not be endorsed as factual. If they want to change their tag line to Fox Right Wing Opinion i'd have no problem because thats what it says on the tin.

I try and get the news from as independant a source as possible to enable me to make up my own mind without having it made for me. The difference between me having a strong view on something and Fox news is that it has previously unavailable power and influence over millions of people. In exactly the same way as Goebbels is treated with absolute disdain now for his propaganda so should Fox.

I have no problem with your or 4Pool having their own views but if you can't see the difference and potential for damage that an individual has compared to one for the mouthpiece of a far right 'news' channel then its a wasted argument anyway
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Re: Fox News - still lying to the planet.
« Reply #210 on: October 16, 2006, 11:13:37 am »
Hahahahahahahaha.


*deep breath*



Hahahahahahahaha-oh, you're serious.


This is exactly why Fox News is the worst of all the news agencies. They completely believe their bullshit and have no problem going down to the level of ad hominem arguments just to push forward an agenda. That's why Murdoch has his "Memo" that cannot be defied, every day. Same as that piece of shit the S*n.

& people say the Ayatollah wields supreme power!

Well it is YOUR preconcieved bias that you inflic when you watch Fox News.

Again for the umteenth time...the presentation of news is one thing. I showed where the other "news" organizations had to apologize for getting "facts' or inventing facts to further their agenda or "lie" when presenting a story.

You keep going on about Hannity and O'Reilly. Neither one read the news or present the news stories. Do you spot the difference? Or is your preconcieved bias getting in the way? They are "opinion" shows. You have a problem with their opinions. So what.

As you --and a few others--have problems seperating the "news" division from the opinion side of the 24/7 channel, i'm really at a loss as to why. Well i'm not really--you just want to bash Fox News. And because YOU can't seperate News from opinion...you've lost the debate before you ever started.

I listed CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC---"NEWS" for having to apologize for errors. Now Fox News has been presenting "news" for 10 years--- are there any necessary apologies from their "news" division? I couldn't find any.

You say ALL news agencies make mistakes, as BBC did, ..so where are the Fox News "news division" retractions?

Can i just ask all you Fox apologists , do you believe that the content controlled news agencies of North Korea, Germany and the Soviets were ok and acceptable then?

I keep going on about Hannity and O'Reilly , and these are merely the worst because they are presented as the independant mouthpiece of Fox when in reality they are anything but. Their guests are overwhelmingly right wing and this drip drip effect of presenting these views as the status quo is corrosive to democracy
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Re: Fox News - still lying to the planet.
« Reply #211 on: October 16, 2006, 02:15:59 pm »

Now until you figure out why I took that tone of voice against you earlier in the thread, nothing I said was a personal attack.  I'll leave that one for you to figure out (that is if your mind is actually advanced enough to grasp the concept).

4pool always seem to be on every thread and makes many arguments that I agree with and/or am sympathetic with.  He is always ganged up against and he responds with detailed and well supported arguments.  Many obviously disagree, but I think his contributions are a great balance to the echo chamber opinions that most have here.

He is just trying to keep things "Fair and Balanced"

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« Reply #212 on: October 16, 2006, 04:55:51 pm »
Love this from Steve Martin in "The Jerk"

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Re: Fox News - still lying to the planet.
« Reply #213 on: October 17, 2006, 12:13:33 am »
Fudge:

Let me ask you this..If there were no Fox News, what would the results be?

In various threads people complain about America and their dominant position in the world and how they "treat" the rest of the world and that the USA doesn't do this that or the other.

And then comes the bash Fox News thread.

In the scheme of things, to me, Fox News is inconsequential.

America has been bashed for years. And long before Fox News was around.

Fox News has little impact on what Americans think or how they vote.

It really is much ado about nothing.

But back to your question..O'Reilly already had a radio program and had worked at other news organizations. Hannity was a rising radio star in New York City and was being syndicated nationwide.

You seem to think people would never be able to hear their views if they never appeared on FN.

If it wasn't them it would be someone else.

Fox is popular because  they aren't  ABC, CBS, NBC, or CNN.

And as far as I am aware the US Government does not approve beforehand the content of Fox News, or any other news program,  so your comparisions are moot and extremely ridiculous. Or do you think when Fox News is critical of the Bush administration on the Iraq war, the borders, Katrina, and loads of other stories that they've aired were they approved beforehand?

Maybe if you actually watched Fox News for a month with a somewhat open mind you might learn something even with your anti-Fox glasses on...;)
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Re: Fox News - still lying to the planet.
« Reply #214 on: October 17, 2006, 12:21:15 am »
Fudge:

Let me ask you this..If there were no Fox News, what would the results be?

In various threads people complain about America and their dominant position in the world and how they "treat" the rest of the world and that the USA doesn't do this that or the other.

And then comes the bash Fox News thread.

In the scheme of things, to me, Fox News is inconsequential.

America has been bashed for years. And long before Fox News was around.

Fox News has little impact on what Americans think or how they vote.

It really is much ado about nothing.


not sure about that....
not only Fox news, but american mainstream media has suceeded in persuding 50% of americans that WMD was found in Iraq ...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7qAEaSIubAs   :o
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Re: Fox News - still lying to the planet.
« Reply #215 on: October 17, 2006, 12:32:42 am »
Eric:

You keep mixing apples and oranges. And then throw in tangerines just for good measure.

Please keep things seperate.

1: Texas Next Step is for all High School Gradutes. Ones that get by with average or even below average grades and graduate. But it is also for those poor economically who can't afford any further education after high school.

Most who take advantage of this are not going to Harvard or University of Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech etc. ( well not at least initially, if they have excellent grades at a Community Colege they can get scholarships to bigger schools.)

Community colleges give students a chance to get a 2 years degree  in various fields. From nursing to computers. From auto mechanics to electronics.

2: The program Bush had was for the top 10% of graduating seniors from each high school.
 It was designed for those who ,again, may not have been able to afford a Four year  in state public University. Many of the top 10% get into other colleges or universities because they get scholarships or their parents can afford to send them to Stanford or Yale or Oklahoma if they so wish. But for minorities or others  who would not be able to afford a State University this program is for them.

3: As for any stat that you want to toss out about US students and how they rank, so what?
In Texas those who are average students still have a chance to further their education. And it other States they have somewhat similar programs. If a kid really wants to go to Community College they can. If they want to go to University and have the grades they can. They may need to be persistent but all University and colleges have funds for those who can't pay. Texas and other States have taken extra steps.

I would suggest to you we can go into any city in the world and find under performing students. The reasons why are varied. Not every class room full of primary or high school grade students are brilliant but as you say the USA isn't doing to bad with those that do avial themselves of Universities.

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Re: Fox News - still lying to the planet.
« Reply #216 on: October 17, 2006, 01:43:28 am »
not sure about that....
not only Fox news, but american mainstream media has suceeded in persuding 50% of americans that WMD was found in Iraq ...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7qAEaSIubAs   :o

In the first 1:10 this guy shills his book twice and then calls Cheney a neo-conservative  :butt  Cheney can be called a lot of things, but a neo-conservative wouldn't be one of them. 

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« Reply #217 on: October 17, 2006, 05:55:29 am »
Eric:

You keep mixing apples and oranges. And then throw in tangerines just for good measure.

Please keep things seperate.

1: Texas Next Step is for all High School Gradutes. Ones that get by with average or even below average grades and graduate. But it is also for those poor economically who can't afford any further education after high school.

Most who take advantage of this are not going to Harvard or University of Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech etc. ( well not at least initially, if they have excellent grades at a Community Colege they can get scholarships to bigger schools.)

Community colleges give students a chance to get a 2 years degree  in various fields. From nursing to computers. From auto mechanics to electronics.

2: The program Bush had was for the top 10% of graduating seniors from each high school.
 It was designed for those who ,again, may not have been able to afford a Four year  in state public University. Many of the top 10% get into other colleges or universities because they get scholarships or their parents can afford to send them to Stanford or Yale or Oklahoma if they so wish. But for minorities or others  who would not be able to afford a State University this program is for them.

3: As for any stat that you want to toss out about US students and how they rank, so what?
In Texas those who are average students still have a chance to further their education. And it other States they have somewhat similar programs. If a kid really wants to go to Community College they can. If they want to go to University and have the grades they can. They may need to be persistent but all University and colleges have funds for those who can't pay. Texas and other States have taken extra steps.

I would suggest to you we can go into any city in the world and find under performing students. The reasons why are varied. Not every class room full of primary or high school grade students are brilliant but as you say the USA isn't doing to bad with those that do avial themselves of Universities.


4pool:"If American universities are the best and Americans make up the major portion of students going to American Universities----how is it American "awful" State Schools are so bad as that is where the kids come from to get into University? You got me there.."

I was responding to your post about how state run education can't be bad if the universities are so good.  My post was not about under performing students, it was about an under performing system. 

No one said Texasfirststep wasn't for all high school graduates. I said that TFS doesn't help people get into the elite universities you talked of.

Quit making up arguments.

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« Reply #218 on: October 17, 2006, 07:11:42 am »
4pool always seem to be on every thread and makes many arguments that I agree with and/or am sympathetic with.  He is always ganged up against and he responds with detailed and well supported arguments.  Many obviously disagree, but I think his contributions are a great balance to the echo chamber opinions that most have here.

He is just trying to keep things "Fair and Balanced"

I feel his arguments obfuscate a lot of things and twist the actual facts to fit his opinions.  It seems like he shoots himself in the foot a lot.  Sometimes he'll make a valid point and then follow it up with complete and utter nonsense which borders on the offensive.

What really gets me more than anything is how much he pontificates and seems to be full of himself.  I don't get that sense from the other right-wing posters here.

This is coming from an independent voter who is actually open to voting for McCain in 2008, just to let you know...
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« Reply #219 on: October 17, 2006, 08:32:16 pm »
Which is, of course, the point. I'm so tired of Europeans taking easy pot shots at some of the dumb stuff in the US without acknowledging all the good and without ever considering their own faults: From Blair to the BNP in the UK, the abortion laws in Ireland, the institutionalised racism in both France and Germany et cetera et cetera. In my very fucking far from humble opinion, it has much more to do with snobbery, elitism, and quasi-racism as it does with politics

OK let's acknowledge the good: Cheers; The Simpsons; er... Of course, I'm being trite. But I think the antagonism of us "Europeans" towards the Land of the Free is that we get dragged through your political cess-pools whether we like it or not. Blair follows Bush into Iraq? = massive tension in UK, greater racial hostility etc. Spain supports Bush? = BOOM! = change of government.

There is nothing fundamentally good about the USA. It is the epitome and apex of capitalist economics which means it acts almost entirely in the interests of its own ruling class and damn the consequences for the rest of the world (or the American underclass, even). Some of us who have long argued against exploitative and destructive regimes and actions in our own country will reserve the right to have a go at others. And not get all blinkered and emotional when "our" precious culture is called into question. Because it's not ours, it's theirs. They control it and by doing so they seek to control us. And they more often than not succeed, even if there is the odd *excuse me* from the chattering classes or bleeding-heart liberals. It's international and it's class war. Choose which side you are on. Not which country you feel most sentimental about.
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Re: Fox News - still lying to the planet.
« Reply #220 on: October 17, 2006, 08:47:27 pm »
And not get all blinkered and emotional when "our" precious culture is called into question. Because it's not ours, it's theirs. They control it and by doing so they seek to control us. And they more often than not succeed, even if there is the odd *excuse me* from the chattering classes or bleeding-heart liberals. It's international and it's class war. Choose which side you are on. Not which country you feel most sentimental about.


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Re: Fox News - still lying to the planet.
« Reply #221 on: October 17, 2006, 08:56:40 pm »

 I am They though
Good for you. Enjoy it while it lasts.
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Re: Fox News - still lying to the planet.
« Reply #222 on: October 17, 2006, 09:07:22 pm »
well then I pick us - do we get to speak Esperanto now?

Let's all sing:


Arise ye workers [starvelings] from your slumbers
Arise ye prisoners of want
For reason in revolt now thunders
And at last ends the age of cant.
Away with all your superstitions
Servile masses arise, arise
We'll change henceforth [forthwith] the old tradition [conditions]
And spurn the dust to win the prize.

So comrades, come rally
And the last fight let us face
The Internationale unites the human race.
So comrades, come rally
And the last fight let us face
The Internationale unites the human race.


Wow that felt good.  I'm one of us, or is it now them   :thumbup

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Re: Fox News - still lying to the planet.
« Reply #223 on: October 17, 2006, 09:10:30 pm »
well then I pick us - do we get to speak Esperanto now?

Let's all sing:


Arise ye workers [starvelings] from your slumbers
Arise ye prisoners of want
For reason in revolt now thunders
And at last ends the age of cant.
Away with all your superstitions
Servile masses arise, arise
We'll change henceforth [forthwith] the old tradition [conditions]
And spurn the dust to win the prize.

So comrades, come rally
And the last fight let us face
The Internationale unites the human race.
So comrades, come rally
And the last fight let us face
The Internationale unites the human race.


Wow that felt good.  I'm one of us, or is it now them   :thumbup
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Re: Fox News - still lying to the planet.
« Reply #224 on: October 17, 2006, 09:51:18 pm »
In the first 1:10 this guy shills his book twice and then calls Cheney a neo-conservative  :butt  Cheney can be called a lot of things, but a neo-conservative wouldn't be one of them. 

but wasn't cheney one of the original contributers to the PNAC document?
how many Americans know about the PNAC....i wonder..?
its probably one the most important documents in american history, and the reason why so many people still believe the 9/11 conspirisory theories..

its not his opinion that 50% of americans believe that WMD were found in Iraq, but the results of a Harris poll taken in July....and thats down to your own corrupt, fu*cked up mainstream media, led by Fox news, spewing out its propaganda to shape and control American public opinion
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Re: Fox News - still lying to the planet.
« Reply #225 on: October 18, 2006, 12:24:04 am »
Wouldn't the question about WMD's found in Iraq be an interesting one to answer.

Weapons inspectors found labs capable of manufacturing WMD's. Iraqi scientists interviewed after the war claim they were under orders from Saddam to keep the WMD programs going.

"Some" WMD chemicals were found but poo-poo'd by the media because it wasn't the mass quantities everyone was expecting.

"Some" chemical grenades were found and again poo-poo'd by the media because they wouldn't have done "mass" harm due to the degredation of the chemical. ( tell that to those who would have been killed or harmed)

And of course Saddam had those long range missles with water balloon heads because they sure weren't to be used for chemicals were they? Found by Blix and crew and then again destroyed by the military after the deposing of Saddam.

So to answer the question in the "yes" mode would not be a "lie". It just wouldn't be the answer some in here would give because drum after drum of WMD's weren't found and Saddam didn't use them against the coalition troops when the hostilities resumed.

He had the labs. He had the production facilities. He had his scientists working on WMD's. All verified by Blix.

But quantities of WMD's "weren't" found after the war so that makes the point moot and everyone would be happy with Saddam back in charge and no UN sanctions so he could go about his "peaceful" business.

What a dream world we live in..
IMHO..of course..:P
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Re: Fox News - still lying to the planet.
« Reply #226 on: October 18, 2006, 04:38:51 am »
This is what Fox News does to you.
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Re: Fox News - still lying to the planet.
« Reply #227 on: October 18, 2006, 09:31:02 am »
Wouldn't the question about WMD's found in Iraq be an interesting one to answer.

Weapons inspectors found labs capable of manufacturing WMD's. Iraqi scientists interviewed after the war claim they were under orders from Saddam to keep the WMD programs going.

"Some" WMD chemicals were found but poo-poo'd by the media because it wasn't the mass quantities everyone was expecting.

"Some" chemical grenades were found and again poo-poo'd by the media because they wouldn't have done "mass" harm due to the degredation of the chemical. ( tell that to those who would have been killed or harmed)

And of course Saddam had those long range missles with water balloon heads because they sure weren't to be used for chemicals were they? Found by Blix and crew and then again destroyed by the military after the deposing of Saddam.

So to answer the question in the "yes" mode would not be a "lie". It just wouldn't be the answer some in here would give because drum after drum of WMD's weren't found and Saddam didn't use them against the coalition troops when the hostilities resumed.

He had the labs. He had the production facilities. He had his scientists working on WMD's. All verified by Blix.

But quantities of WMD's "weren't" found after the war so that makes the point moot and everyone would be happy with Saddam back in charge and no UN sanctions so he could go about his "peaceful" business.

What a dream world we live in..
IMHO..of course..:P

Give it up mate... you are talking bollocks on this one as has been proved over and over again in endless threads... should I post your idiotic "analysis" of one of the WMD reports where you showed you didn't even understand the punctuation let alone the meaning of the document.

You are a busted flush on this one. Give us your opinions if you want but stay clear of the facts where you are obviously out of your depth.
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Re: Fox News - still lying to the planet.
« Reply #228 on: October 18, 2006, 10:29:48 am »
Wouldn't the question about WMD's found in Iraq be an interesting one to answer.

Weapons inspectors found labs capable of manufacturing WMD's. Iraqi scientists interviewed after the war claim they were under orders from Saddam to keep the WMD programs going.

"Some" WMD chemicals were found but poo-poo'd by the media because it wasn't the mass quantities everyone was expecting.

"Some" chemical grenades were found and again poo-poo'd by the media because they wouldn't have done "mass" harm due to the degredation of the chemical. ( tell that to those who would have been killed or harmed)

And of course Saddam had those long range missles with water balloon heads because they sure weren't to be used for chemicals were they? Found by Blix and crew and then again destroyed by the military after the deposing of Saddam.

So to answer the question in the "yes" mode would not be a "lie". It just wouldn't be the answer some in here would give because drum after drum of WMD's weren't found and Saddam didn't use them against the coalition troops when the hostilities resumed.

He had the labs. He had the production facilities. He had his scientists working on WMD's. All verified by Blix.

But quantities of WMD's "weren't" found after the war so that makes the point moot and everyone would be happy with Saddam back in charge and no UN sanctions so he could go about his "peaceful" business.

What a dream world we live in..
IMHO..of course..:P

This one pretty much kills your "fox news viewers are able to make their own decisions as to whats true or not" argument. And that O'Reilly and his likes has no influence on what people see as the truth.
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Re: Fox News - still lying to the planet.
« Reply #229 on: October 18, 2006, 11:15:20 am »
Wouldn't the question about WMD's found in Iraq be an interesting one to answer.

Weapons inspectors found labs capable of manufacturing WMD's. Iraqi scientists interviewed after the war claim they were under orders from Saddam to keep the WMD programs going.

"Some" WMD chemicals were found but poo-poo'd by the media because it wasn't the mass quantities everyone was expecting.

"Some" chemical grenades were found and again poo-poo'd by the media because they wouldn't have done "mass" harm due to the degredation of the chemical. ( tell that to those who would have been killed or harmed)

And of course Saddam had those long range missles with water balloon heads because they sure weren't to be used for chemicals were they? Found by Blix and crew and then again destroyed by the military after the deposing of Saddam.

So to answer the question in the "yes" mode would not be a "lie". It just wouldn't be the answer some in here would give because drum after drum of WMD's weren't found and Saddam didn't use them against the coalition troops when the hostilities resumed.

He had the labs. He had the production facilities. He had his scientists working on WMD's. All verified by Blix.

But quantities of WMD's "weren't" found after the war so that makes the point moot and everyone would be happy with Saddam back in charge and no UN sanctions so he could go about his "peaceful" business.

What a dream world we live in..
IMHO..of course..:P

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Re: Fox News - still lying to the planet.
« Reply #230 on: October 18, 2006, 05:14:38 pm »
This is what Fox News does to you.
Well, not really...

Even O'Reilly admitted that there were no WMD's and publicly apologized to his veiwers about being so convinced that there were.  Then said he was upset about how this administration tried to trick the public.

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Re: Fox News - still lying to the planet.
« Reply #231 on: October 18, 2006, 09:59:44 pm »
Give it up mate... you are talking bollocks on this one as has been proved over and over again in endless threads... should I post your idiotic "analysis" of one of the WMD reports where you showed you didn't even understand the punctuation let alone the meaning of the document.

You are a busted flush on this one. Give us your opinions if you want but stay clear of the facts where you are obviously out of your depth.

Alan-F..I'll give it up when someone gives absolute evidence why the UN, UN inspectors, et all were convinced Saddam had WMD's.--never recinded their resolutions---and voted for resolution 1441 which said one last chance.

I do believe  the entire World at the time believed Saddam had WMD's through the actions of the United Nations. Not one country, other than Iraq, ever claimed anything different.

Next you'll tell me North Korea doesn't have nukes and Iran isn't working on theirs. As the UN inspectors have told us they do and are. Just the same as the UN inspectors told us Saddam and Iraq had WMD's.

Hindsight based on "nothing found" means diddly squat. Especially when some bits were found as i've stated. But obviously not enough to convince most.
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« Reply #232 on: October 19, 2006, 01:12:32 am »
Alan-F..I'll give it up when someone gives absolute evidence why the UN, UN inspectors, et all were convinced Saddam had WMD's.--never recinded their resolutions---and voted for resolution 1441 which said one last chance.

I do believe  the entire World at the time believed Saddam had WMD's through the actions of the United Nations. Not one country, other than Iraq, ever claimed anything different.

Next you'll tell me North Korea doesn't have nukes and Iran isn't working on theirs. As the UN inspectors have told us they do and are. Just the same as the UN inspectors told us Saddam and Iraq had WMD's.

Hindsight based on "nothing found" means diddly squat. Especially when some bits were found as i've stated. But obviously not enough to convince most.

The point of all this at the end of the day must surely be: "So what?"

So what? Iraq has WMDs (they didn't - but let's go with it for the purposes of the argument) - so who the fuck gives the USA the right to go in and take over their country? Who has most weapons of mass-destruction in the world? On a league table basis I'd hazard 1. USA  - 2. Russia - 3. China - 4. Israel -  5. UK - 6. France. I'd put Iraq somewhere in the Coca-Cola League and North Korea in the Western Highlands Sunday District League, Division 3.

The point of all this is that who has what in weopanry stakes is irrelevant - it's about the USA's strategic interests who they are going to take on next and, by golly, we'll justify it any way we can. And if we can't justify it then, by golly, we'll do it anyway. Yee-hah.
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Re: Fox News - still lying to the planet.
« Reply #233 on: October 19, 2006, 01:46:19 am »
Alan-F..I'll give it up when someone gives absolute evidence why the UN, UN inspectors, et all were convinced Saddam had WMD's.--never recinded their resolutions---and voted for resolution 1441 which said one last chance.

I do believe  the entire World at the time believed Saddam had WMD's through the actions of the United Nations. Not one country, other than Iraq, ever claimed anything different.

Next you'll tell me North Korea doesn't have nukes and Iran isn't working on theirs. As the UN inspectors have told us they do and are. Just the same as the UN inspectors told us Saddam and Iraq had WMD's.

Hindsight based on "nothing found" means diddly squat. Especially when some bits were found as i've stated. But obviously not enough to convince most.

The United Nations has no legitimacy and no credibility. The US even less so.
If Resolution 1441 was such a cast iron resolution, why did it take so much legal wrangling and posturing before America decided it could go on that?
If WMD really was such a pressing issue - which it clearly was, what with the invading troops being attacked by the huge payload Bush said Saddam had - why did Bush want to go into Iraq on the 12th of September, 2001? He didn't give a fuck about WMD then, he wanted to hit someone and hit someone hard.
Just because the entire world is stupid doesn't mean that they're correct. How was anyone going to know Saddam had WMDs? Did I miss all the tours Saddam gave in the 90s to all those world leaders, showing off his missiles? It's like Benitez saying that Gerrard is out injured when every other journalist out there says he isn't, with all the other managers being quoted saying they don't understand why Rafa is omitting him from the squad...and then finding out he is actually injured.
And blaming the injury on Rafa.

It's funny how you bring North Korea and Iran into it, when the US couldn't have a more polar opposite reaction to their weapons mischief. Where are the US troops massing on the South Korean border? Where are the concentrated pools of soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq, ready to invade Iran and start a massive campaign in order to 'disarm'?
Does Bush plan on disarming them after they get the nukes?

The fact of the matter is, you simply refuse to see that these people do whatever the fuck they want. America has been all over Iraq for nearly 4 years now - have they found a single one of those huge stockpiles that Saddam was going to bomb his neighbours with? The Iraqi Army was so ill equipped they couldn't fucking hold out against the US in their own backyard.

But of course, this is all leftist conspiracy bullshit, isn't it? Thank the Lord we have Murdoch's cancerous mindfucking channels to sort us out, eh?
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Re: Fox News - still lying to the planet.
« Reply #234 on: October 19, 2006, 04:01:26 am »
Explain this to me Einsteins.....

You say Bush used WMDs as an excuse to invade Iraq. The neo-cons knew perfectly well that Saddam was in his box and the sanctions (which by the way we were told were immoral) were keeping him contained. Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld and the rest of them had planned this invasion for years.  They were just waiting for the right moment.  Lo and behold 9/11 happened (I tried to mentally extend this out that somehow the US government or the Mossad was involved but sanity intervened.)  (Back to our conspirators) They had been laying this plan for years.  They had even played a Jedi mind trick on Bill Clinton in 1998 and had him sign the "Iraq Liberation Act" in which it stated:

SEC. 3. POLICY OF THE UNITED STATES.
   It should be the policy of the United States to seek to remove the
regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the
emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime.


They were smart enough to fool a lot of people about the WMDs in Iraq including:

British Intelligence
The US State Department
Russian Intelligence
John Kerry
Al Gore
French Intelligence
Saudi Intelligence
Tony Blair
Jacques Chirac and the poet De Villpin
Kofi Annan
Bill Clinton and his more significant other - Hillary


Why didn't they plant a few bombs along the way?

How easy would it have been to ship over a sarin gas factory from the CIA and plop it down in Falujah?  Simple

Whoops - you let one thing fall through the cracks - like planting the justification for you grand lie that you have planned for years- and everyone gets all over your back. 

If the neo-cons had just planted some shit even Robert Fisk would have to stop covering up for a third world dictator at that point. Lord knows he would defend the rest of them though.




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Re: Fox News - still lying to the planet.
« Reply #235 on: October 19, 2006, 04:08:21 am »
why plant bombs - when planting info from Niger is cheaper...

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« Reply #236 on: October 19, 2006, 04:11:50 am »
British Intelligence
The US State Department
Russian Intelligence
John Kerry
Al Gore
French Intelligence
Saudi Intelligence
Tony Blair
Jacques Chirac and the poet De Villpin
Kofi Annan
Bill Clinton and his more significant other - Hillary

Who said all of them were fooled? The fact that loads of them lied meant they were in on it too. Blair's Dossier? Dr David Kelly?

Why didn't they plant a few bombs along the way?

They were going to but some of the Arab news agencies found the weapons being shipped in and it was quietly dealt with.
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Re: Fox News - still lying to the planet.
« Reply #237 on: October 19, 2006, 04:26:57 am »
why plant bombs - when planting info from Niger is cheaper...

yes that's right - the ex-ambassador unraveled the whole thing.  What a brave man he is.  He deserves another Vanity Fair article   ???

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« Reply #238 on: October 19, 2006, 04:31:13 am »

They were going to but some of the Arab news agencies found the weapons being shipped in and it was quietly dealt with.

Wow they can find the almighty US military shipping in a few items to cover up a plan in the works for years, but can't seem to find the source of Hizbollah, Hamas, and Islamic Jihad's weapons and funding. 

they must be great "journalists"

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« Reply #239 on: October 19, 2006, 04:48:59 am »
Wow they can find the almighty US military shipping in a few items to cover up a plan in the works for years, but can't seem to find the source of Hizbollah, Hamas, and Islamic Jihad's weapons and funding. 

they must be great "journalists"

Hizbollah - Iran

I can give you that one for free. The other two, most people are aware of the links across the Middle East but there's no one major contributor.

S'amazing what you can find out if you stop listening to the Western press.
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