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Are you in favour of Gay Adoption?

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Re: Gay Adoption.
« Reply #280 on: August 20, 2010, 08:38:09 am »
This is exactly what I hate about misinformed bible-quoters.  Enforcing their beliefs and wills on others while disregarding the hypocrisies of the very writing they quote.

If you truly believe everything in Leviticus (where your quote is from), you must also find selfish to be an abomination.  And you need to sacrifice animals to make sure mothers are cleaned after giving birth to children.

I like your style. :fishslap not shellfishslap. Thats unnatural.

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Re: Gay Adoption.
« Reply #281 on: August 20, 2010, 08:39:49 am »
bible-quoters.
Haha, I've never even opened a bible or been to church.

Enforcing their beliefs and wills on others
Au contraire, I am not enforcing my belief on anyone. I have said it twice before and I'll say it again. I'm all for gay rights but I personally find it weird. What's so hard to understand about it. I am not calling for a ban on it. Those are my beliefs and it's funny you should accuse me of enforcing my beliefs on others when Refo and yourself are trying to enforce yours on me.

I cannot make it anymore clearer to you.
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Re: Gay Adoption.
« Reply #282 on: August 20, 2010, 08:47:05 am »
PS. Like so many Jews, I'm an atheist Una. And I'm only an Israelophile on these boards, lol. I should really get my crazy right wing  לכודנק likudnik friend on Rawk, he'd cause quite a stir. Probably get banned in a few minutes after calling everyone anti-semites and explaining that Israel should just "wait for a war, and move all the Arabs, simples", the daft c*nt, bless his heart, hope he doesn't get into politics, he's trying to do just that. Oh and he's a good, standards corrupted shirt buying red. People are complex.
I've made my final post on this topic because I do not wish to be branded a homophobe in addition to being a Palestine hater by the pseudo-liberal PC brigade.

I know what you mean about people being complex. I love holding up anti 'God hates Fags' signs when those idiots visit our Uni and I've gotten into fights with rednecks who have said some unkind things about Islam but if you just know me through RAWK you would imagine me as some kind of homophobic, Republican, muslim-hating redneck whose never stepped outside the bible belt. :P
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Re: Gay Adoption.
« Reply #283 on: August 20, 2010, 08:55:09 am »
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Re: Gay Adoption.
« Reply #284 on: August 20, 2010, 08:57:28 am »
I've made my final post on this topic because I do not wish to be branded a homophobe in addition to being a Palestine hater by the pseudo-liberal PC brigade.

I know what you mean about people being complex. I love holding up anti 'God hates Fags' signs when those idiots visit our Uni and I've gotten into fights with rednecks who have said some unkind things about Islam but if you just know me through RAWK you would imagine me as some kind of homophobic, Republican, muslim-hating redneck whose never stepped outside the bible belt. :P

Au contraire. This is the first time I've disagreed with you as far as I can remember. But really we're arguing over semantics I think. I don't find it weird, but then I've been in contact with gay people since I was young, and I'm not exactly a 0 on the Kinsey scale myself.

As long as you accept that most people are weird, your pretty much OK in my book. But I don't think I'm enforcing my view on you, just arguing with you. Its ok if your a homophobe btw, I heard Mocha is a racist :P doesn't like the blacks (uniforms).
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Re: Gay Adoption.
« Reply #285 on: August 20, 2010, 08:58:03 am »
I'm liking this Refo-fella. Wanna adopt?

A hundred times yes, random internet creep!
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Re: Gay Adoption.
« Reply #286 on: August 20, 2010, 09:03:54 am »
A hundred times yes, random internet creep!
Aaaah, the cute nicknames we give each other.
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Re: Gay Adoption.
« Reply #287 on: August 20, 2010, 09:08:25 am »
Aaaah, the cute nicknames we give each other.

yes love, now what do you want to name the baby?
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Re: Gay Adoption.
« Reply #288 on: August 20, 2010, 09:19:36 am »
yes love, now what do you want to name the baby?
If it's a Laotian boy (and I'm hoping it is): Pete Postlethwaite the second.
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Re: Gay Adoption.
« Reply #289 on: August 20, 2010, 09:26:14 am »
I was thinking Froley if its a guy, Bazooka if its a girl.
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Re: Gay Adoption.
« Reply #290 on: August 20, 2010, 11:47:16 am »
now that this is settled there is the other gay adoption issue, should you be able to adopt gay kids?


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Re: Gay Adoption.
« Reply #291 on: August 20, 2010, 01:17:53 pm »
Fuck no.

Won't somebody please think of the parents? Their friends will probably dissown them for their failure as parents. Everyone knows that you must have fucked up really badly to manage to turn your kid into a gayer.
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Re: Gay Adoption.
« Reply #292 on: August 20, 2010, 01:19:52 pm »
Fuck no.

Won't somebody please think of the parents? Their friends will probably dissown them for their failure as parents. Everyone knows that you must have fucked up really badly to manage to turn your kid into a gayer.

If you are careful to keep the house free of showtunes and tasteful decor, no gayer should emerge. Simple.

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Re: Gay Adoption.
« Reply #293 on: August 20, 2010, 02:34:51 pm »
Looking at this from a different prospective from everybody else on here, as in I'm giving up my unborn baby for adoption in a few weeks and I get to choose who adopts him, I'm not going to automatically say no to gay parents, because they're going to be better parents then I could, they want the baby they would provide it better stability then me I don't know what basis I will be choosing the future parents on but sexuality of them won't even be a matter of concern for me.

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Re: Gay Adoption.
« Reply #294 on: August 20, 2010, 04:40:00 pm »
Maybe that's all you're interested in. I have droned on many times about muslims, scientologists, buddhists, evangelicals. To be fair, the catholics are giving great material right now, but the muslims are quality ore, too.


OK mate fair enough. Maybe i've not looked in the right threads.


Catholic thing?

No, I just think its terribly unfair on the child.
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Re: Gay Adoption.
« Reply #295 on: August 20, 2010, 04:43:12 pm »
No, I just think its terribly unfair on the child.

Not to rehash the entire thread but I would much rather a child had to suffer the unfairness of having two loving parents who happen to be the same sex, than the unfairness of being abused and unloved in an institution or foster home.

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« Reply #296 on: August 20, 2010, 04:45:40 pm »
Not to rehash the entire thread but I would much rather a child had to suffer the unfairness of having two loving parents who happen to be the same sex, than the unfairness of being abused and unloved in an institution or foster home.

Can gays not abuse?
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Re: Gay Adoption.
« Reply #297 on: August 20, 2010, 04:47:11 pm »
Can gays not abuse?

Anyone can abuse, gay or straight. It's just that your chances of getting loved are much greater with people who want to adopt you, rather than people who are getting paid to supervise you.

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« Reply #298 on: August 20, 2010, 04:49:25 pm »
Anyone can abuse, gay or straight. It's just that your chances of getting loved are much greater with people who want to adopt you, rather than people who are getting paid to supervise you.

True but forgetting the parents for a second could you imagine the abuse and stick the poor kid would get at school? Their life could be fantastic at home in their little gay bubble but in the teenage real world it'd be hell.
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Re: Gay Adoption.
« Reply #299 on: August 20, 2010, 04:50:01 pm »
This is one of the weirdest questions ever to be asked on RAWK ? Gay Adoption - Get Real !!!  :-X

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Re: Gay Adoption.
« Reply #300 on: August 20, 2010, 05:01:09 pm »
True but forgetting the parents for a second could you imagine the abuse and stick the poor kid would get at school? Their life could be fantastic at home in their little gay bubble but in the teenage real world it'd be hell.

"Gay bubble"? Was your home life a "straight bubble"?

So you're effectively saying someone's chances of being raised in a loving environment should be decided by a bunch of teenage dickheads?

Being bullied at school can happen to anyone, for any reason. That Irish girl who got cyber bullied into killing herself in the US was bullied because the captain of the school team fancied her.

Take two kids who are put up for adoption aged 1.

Kid A gets two lesbians who teach him all they know, and read him stories, and scold him when he does something bold, and tell him not to stick soldiers into wall sockets, and teach him to cross roads and not to bully those weaker than him and so on. Standard parenting stuff.

Kid B gets no adoption and is shunted from foster home to institution for 15 years with no stable parental influence, nobody looking out for him and more importantly, nobody keeping him in line in a firm but caring way.

My best guess is that while Kid A might get bullied, Kid B will almost certainly be doing the bullying.

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Re: Gay Adoption.
« Reply #301 on: August 20, 2010, 05:02:17 pm »
I, personnally, only know one gay couple who are bringing up a child.  He is a well balanced young lad.  I dont see a problem with it myself.
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Re: Gay Adoption.
« Reply #302 on: August 20, 2010, 05:37:28 pm »
"Gay bubble"? Was your home life a "straight bubble"?

So you're effectively saying someone's chances of being raised in a loving environment should be decided by a bunch of teenage dickheads?

Being bullied at school can happen to anyone, for any reason. That Irish girl who got cyber bullied into killing herself in the US was bullied because the captain of the school team fancied her.

Take two kids who are put up for adoption aged 1.

Kid A gets two lesbians who teach him all they know, and read him stories, and scold him when he does something bold, and tell him not to stick soldiers into wall sockets, and teach him to cross roads and not to bully those weaker than him and so on. Standard parenting stuff.

Kid B gets no adoption and is shunted from foster home to institution for 15 years with no stable parental influence, nobody looking out for him and more importantly, nobody keeping him in line in a firm but caring way.

My best guess is that while Kid A might get bullied, Kid B will almost certainly be doing the bullying.

Yes mate, I feel that they are in a bubble. Its un-natural, but not wrong, for a child to be raised by a same sex couple.

As for the bullying thing, your right that anyone can be bullied but a kid with 2 dads/mums the bullying would be unbearable, and tbf it wouldn't stop when they finished school and they'd suffer snide remarks for years after.
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Re: Gay Adoption.
« Reply #303 on: August 20, 2010, 05:45:57 pm »
Yes mate, I feel that they are in a bubble. Its un-natural, but not wrong, for a child to be raised by a same sex couple.

As for the bullying thing, your right that anyone can be bullied but a kid with 2 dads/mums the bullying would be unbearable, and tbf it wouldn't stop when they finished school and they'd suffer snide remarks for years after.

Bullying is almost never utterly unbearable, as in destroys someone's life. It almost always feels terrible, but has little or no bearing on someone's success coming out of school. Who your parents are has a much greater bearing on how you turn out.
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Re: Gay Adoption.
« Reply #304 on: August 20, 2010, 05:51:27 pm »
What about letting the kid decide if he wants to be adopted by a gay couple or not?
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Re: Gay Adoption.
« Reply #305 on: August 20, 2010, 06:05:58 pm »
Looking at this from a different prospective from everybody else on here, as in I'm giving up my unborn baby for adoption in a few weeks and I get to choose who adopts him, I'm not going to automatically say no to gay parents, because they're going to be better parents then I could, they want the baby they would provide it better stability then me I don't know what basis I will be choosing the future parents on but sexuality of them won't even be a matter of concern for me.

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Re: Gay Adoption.
« Reply #306 on: August 20, 2010, 06:09:04 pm »
You're giving up you're child for adoption?

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Re: Gay Adoption.
« Reply #307 on: August 20, 2010, 06:12:08 pm »


A question to anyone who has used the "bullying" argument ... Would YOU bully a child who had gay adoptive parents?


Now? Of course not.

As 13 year-old boy? who knows.
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Re: Gay Adoption.
« Reply #308 on: August 20, 2010, 06:13:25 pm »
should we make red haired people sterile so they can't make ginger kids that get bullied in school?  Same goes for fat people.  I don't see how 'because the kid will get bullied' became a legit argument.  Why is bullying such an issue in the UK?  Clearly, it is something that exists in the US, but I don't think many people think its that big of a deal.  Yes there is an occasional suicide, which is tragic, but I would guess suicide due to bullying is fairly low down the list, and there are countless other 'preventable' ways in which a young person could die.

But another comment, is that I find the entire idea of schooling to be completely unnatural.  Of course kids are going to develop terrible social skills if they are spending all their time learning how to socialize around a bunch of other kids that are the exact same age.  I think exposure to a wide range of different social settings would be much healthier.

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Re: Gay Adoption.
« Reply #309 on: August 20, 2010, 06:14:53 pm »
it is the most ridiculous thing for gay men/women would do but then a couple of years ago it was ridiculous for the Earth to be round
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Re: Gay Adoption.
« Reply #310 on: August 20, 2010, 06:15:36 pm »
What about letting the kid decide if he wants to be adopted by a gay couple or not?

Unfortunately it's not as simple as that, especially when you're talking about children who have been in foster care/institutions for a long time. I've worked in child advocacy organizations here in the US for several years now, and we see so many cases of children with really severe attachment problems (from being bounced from home to home, placement to placement), who will go into a placement and say yes, I want to be adopted by this family. Two months later, they start acting out, testing the parents, saying "I want to go back to foster care," "I preferred the group home to his," and in a lot of cases, the adoption disrupts, and the child is headed back to foster care. At this point, the child then goes to his/her social worker and/or the adoptive parents, often very upset, saying he/she wants to stay with the original family, don't send me back, I love you, I want to stay here. Some families give it another go. Two months later, the child is acting out again and demanding to be put back in the care of the state. :\

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Re: Gay Adoption.
« Reply #311 on: August 20, 2010, 06:17:07 pm »
What about letting the kid decide if he wants to be adopted by a gay couple or not?

Finn, if we could rely on them to make decisions like that, they wouldn't need adopting at all.

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Re: Gay Adoption.
« Reply #312 on: August 20, 2010, 06:19:10 pm »
yes.

You would give you're kid to a gay couple?

I can just about get my head around giving a kid up for adoption....but to consider selecting a couple of homosexuals as parents is a bit.....a bit much.

Obviously I have no idea about your circumstances etc and I'm sure you think you're doing the right thing for you.....making sure you're happy

Wouldnt you want the kid to have a 'normal' family life.....
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Re: Gay Adoption.
« Reply #313 on: August 20, 2010, 06:22:07 pm »
A question to anyone who has used the "bullying" argument ... Would YOU bully a child who had gay adoptive parents?


Now? Not a chance in hell. I'm a father of two and have grown up a lot.

But if he was in my class at school? I probably would of went out of my way to give him grief. Then again, I was an absolute c*nt of a teenager.

Like it or not....the kid will get bullied
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Re: Gay Adoption.
« Reply #314 on: August 20, 2010, 06:22:22 pm »
I would.
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Re: Gay Adoption.
« Reply #315 on: August 20, 2010, 06:22:58 pm »
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« Reply #316 on: August 20, 2010, 06:23:24 pm »
C'est la vie.

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Re: Gay Adoption.
« Reply #318 on: August 20, 2010, 06:23:49 pm »
I think it would be interesting to see how many of the people who find gay adoption abhorrent are actually parents themselves. I only say this because there is an awful lot more to raising a kid than being straight....

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Re: Gay Adoption.
« Reply #319 on: August 20, 2010, 06:26:23 pm »
Finn, if we could rely on them to make decisions like that, they wouldn't need adopting at all.

I just think he or she should have a say in the matter, but I guess it would rule out adopting babies and the really cute kids that most couples are looking for.

Unfortunately it's not as simple as that, especially when you're talking about children who have been in foster care/institutions for a long time. I've worked in child advocacy organizations here in the US for several years now, and we see so many cases of children with really severe attachment problems (from being bounced from home to home, placement to placement), who will go into a placement and say yes, I want to be adopted by this family. Two months later, they start acting out, testing the parents, saying "I want to go back to foster care," "I preferred the group home to his," and in a lot of cases, the adoption disrupts, and the child is headed back to foster care. At this point, the child then goes to his/her social worker and/or the adoptive parents, often very upset, saying he/she wants to stay with the original family, don't send me back, I love you, I want to stay here. Some families give it another go. Two months later, the child is acting out again and demanding to be put back in the care of the state. :\

Thanks for sharing. It really must be an emotional situation to deal with, as I understand it there are more sad cases than happy ones.
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