Topic: Dani Pacheco

[GrkStav]

I'm surprised he hasn't been let go already. How many pre-seasons is it now he's been hailed as the new Messi or whatever nonsense people say?

Please, stop making stuff up, building up magnificent mental/verbal strawmen in order sarcastically to vanquish them.

No one has hailed Pacheco as "the new Messi" in a very long time.

What people see, with their own eyes and independently of media hype of any sort, is a skillful player who, without being outstanding, appears to have characteristics and qualities that qualify him as a 'cover' player for multiple forward positions. Given that he is on low wages, it beggars belief that LFC have neither found a way to sell him nor used him as just that, a cover player. Many a much inferior and much older player, at significantly higher wages, has been retained and given plenty of chances. Not Dani. And yet, it's those of us who criticize whoever and whatever is behind those decisions that are being castigated rather than those who made those decisions.

When Joe Cole was being given chance after chance after chance under KD and BR, some of us rightly (in my opinion) wondered what (in the fucking hell) he offered that Dani Pacheco could not offer, and at wages orders of magnitude lower than Joe Cole.

He's not the new Messi, he's not "awesome", he's not even a Coutinho-level talent. Still, his pre-season performances are not Potemkin villages, erected and displayed by his supporters to fool the rest of you geniuses

At least with Aquilani, all the naysayers could point to his high wages and to some cryptic Rafa statements about his 'mentality' to bolster their sheep-like insistence that, since the managers and club didn't choose to keep and use him, despite excellent to competent, pre-season performances and obvious talent, he MUST have been shite, over-hyped, etc.

With Dani Pacheco, there's no such 'excuse' or 'explanation'.

[jimmyjr86]

Good points above. Worth mentioning that Dani only had a weeks pre season thus far so is a week behind fitness wise than the rest. Still looked good.

[Fromola]

He's not the new Messi, but he's better than Joe Cole who's better than Messi, so therefore he's a lot better than Messi 

I don't get it with Pacheco I really don't. He's perfectly suited to Rodgers' style, so he would have been an ideal squad player last season for a squad lacking depth and lacking players who can play his way. Sterling was playing every week for 90 minutes, but Pacheco could at least do a job on the left to have given him a breather when he was clearly shot and burnt out. He can play behind the striker. He could have played alongside Lucas for when Gerrard needs a rest. Not to mention that waste of space Joe Cole getting loads of minutes, like at West Brom (getting injured so being stuck here till Jan) when Dani had been boss in pre-season.

Even getting that game time would make him a saleable asset rather than someone we will get fuck all for. Such a wasted talent.

I also think Pacheco would have done a better job than Shelvey last season if given all the game time he got.

[Fromola]

The Dani Pacheco cycle begins. Shows some decent ability initially in pre-season, then slowly fades into the abyss where yet another manager does not rate him enough to play him in the first team. Only to be spotted in photos on twitter/instagram of him and the other lads out for a bite or a drink.

If only he was good as Poulsen, Spearing, Charlie Adam, N'Gog, Shelvey, Joe Cole, Jovanavic and the like then he might have got more chances in the first team.

[TheGOAT]

A 4-0 win and Fromola comes on to whinge. I'm stunned!

[Fromola]

A 4-0 win and Fromola comes on to whinge. I'm stunned!

I enjoyed the game yesterday, a lot more akin to the style of football we were sold when Rodgers got the job (pressing all over the pitch and possession football) albeit only pre-season. It's having the likes of Pacheco in who can play that style that helps, so i'm just saying I don't get why he wasn't used more last season.

[Garstonite]

If Pacheco had done ANYTHING of note on the number of loans that he'd gone on, you'd have a bit of a point. As it stands, he hasn't. So you don't.

[john_mac]

If Pacheco had done ANYTHING of note on the number of loans that he'd gone on, you'd have a bit of a point. As it stands, he hasn't. So you don't.

But what have the Roman's ever done for us?

[Fromola]

If Pacheco had done ANYTHING of note on the number of loans that he'd gone on, you'd have a bit of a point. As it stands, he hasn't. So you don't.

He's had one short loan in this country and made a big contribution to getting Norwich promotion to the Premier League in his spell there. If we'd sorted out better loans for him then he might have made more of an impact, rather than the farce of him going to Atletico who then loaned him straight out.

[Suareznumber7]

How long will this season's Pacheco thread go?

[Draex]

Thought he played well, maybe he might get a chance this season..

[Phil M]

He's had one short loan in this country and made a big contribution to getting Norwich promotion to the Premier League in his spell there.

A big contribution? He only made 3 starts for them!

[peachybum]

A big contribution? He only made 3 starts for them!

To be fair that's a big contribution for Pacheco!

[The G in Gerrard]

Genuinely seems to like being at our club. Was very decent yesterday in second half.

[Fordy]

Dani loves the club.

Considering we had to play Shelvey and Henderson at AM last season. Think I would keep him.

However 3 managers have all thought that he isn't really making the grade here.

[careful on these streets, I've heard stories]

If Pacheco had done ANYTHING of note on the number of loans that he'd gone on, you'd have a bit of a point. As it stands, he hasn't. So you don't.

Exactly, its quite telling when you are clearly available and only a struggling Spanish second division team come in for you

[The G in Gerrard]

Exactly, its quite telling when you are clearly available and only a struggling Spanish second division team come in for you

He seems to do good enough in our shirt though?

[Yorkykopite]

A big contribution? He only made 3 starts for them!

Although his first start prompted his manager to say this....

http://www.edp24.co.uk/sport/norwich-city-fc/paul_lambert_dani_pacheco_debut_as_good_as_they_get_1_850250

[Drinks Sangria]

A big contribution? He only made 3 starts for them!

In fairness, he was loaned to them with very few games left, and scored twice and assisted once, which is a decent contribution in a side that was looking for that last push for promotion. I'm not saying he was pivotal, but he made a rather telling contribution during one of the most difficult parts of the season. I'm not trying to deify him, as his successes are qualified with certain struggles, like the lack of impact he made in double-digit appearances for Valladolid. He did well at Norwich though, and even Lambert attested to his contribution: '“I thought his debut was as good as I’ve seen. I thought he was brilliant, he lifted the crowd.
The hype about him was over the top. People thought he was just going to come in here like Lionel Messi. He’s only a 20-year-old kid learning the game, but I thought his performance was fantastic.”
Edit: Beaten to it ^ 

[Draex]

Something has gone on behind the scenes in my opinion, thats why he got loaned out last season.. Maybe he's rebuilt his bridges, because he certainly isn't a bad player by any stretch of the imagination.

[careful on these streets, I've heard stories]

He seems to do good enough in our shirt though?

Clearly not else he wouldn't be on his way out. He obviously got talent but maybe lacking something else which has hindered him

[Fromola]

Exactly, its quite telling when you are clearly available and only a struggling Spanish second division team come in for you

If he'd gone to a Championship club he'd be near enough the best player in that league. He was far and away the best player in the reserve league before Christmas.

[careful on these streets, I've heard stories]

If he'd gone to a Championship club he'd be near enough the best player in that league. He was far and away the best player in the reserve league before Christmas.

Why wasn't he the best player in Spain last season?

[The G in Gerrard]

Clearly not else he wouldn't be on his way out.

Well he has. West Brom away last season for example.

Anyway I doubt he'll be here this season approaching.

[Fromola]

Why wasn't he the best player in Spain last season?

I didn't see any of his games there so couldn't judge.

[careful on these streets, I've heard stories]

I didn't see any of his games there so couldn't judge.

If he was anything close to that I'm sure we'd all know by now

Well he has. West Brom away last season for example.

Anyway I doubt he'll be here this season approaching.

Yes he played well in that game but seemingly not enough to convince the manager (not the first time)

[B0151?]

I love how people ignore that he was in all likelihood and from what I've heard, the one who pushed for the first loan spell in Spain, and he probably would have preferred to stay there.

But no, the club has a grudge against him I tell ya

[Fromola]

If he was anything close to that I'm sure we'd all know by now

He went to a team at the bottom all season who got relegated. He did well there, but it wouldn't have been the right club for him. If he'd gone to Watford under Zola playing good football then he'd have flourished.

But you can't say we couldn't have sorted him a loan move to a decent Championship club when you look at some of the shite United get millions of pounds for off these clubs.

[markedasred]

Maybe he has the reverse of what Downing is meant to have, in that he is frequently described around rawk & in podcasts as having the best game in training, then Downing is slightly less good in the games. Maybe Dani looks uninspiring in training and delivers a better game in front of supporters.
It is also a bit like the people who interview well and are crap in the job, whilst some people, nervous as hell in the interview, would do the job brilliantly.

[Butter Keks]

Deja Vu - The Dani Pacheco thread.

Will this year finally be his year? Probably not as Rodgers still seems to be in the market for an attacking midfielder. We need to find the right club for a loan, a club that encourages some decent football.

[Fromola]

Maybe he has the reverse of what Downing is meant to have, in that he is frequently described around rawk & in podcasts as having the best game in training, then Downing is slightly less good in the games. Maybe Dani looks uninspiring in training and delivers a better game in front of supporters.
It is also a bit like the people who interview well and are crap in the job, whilst some people, nervous as hell in the interview, would do the job brilliantly.

You could guess that it was an attitude thing, but whenever he dropped down to the under 21s last season he put 100% in and was the best player on the pitch. In pre-season he looked our sharpest player and was then fucked off for Joe Cole at West Brom who promptly got injured straight away.

[Redpross1]

I wonder why Dani doesn't want more than what he has at the moment.... Most players want regular first team football. Why is he not knocking down BR's door asking to be let go so be can get his career going.

[Fordy]

Deja Vu - The Dani Pacheco thread.

Will this year finally be his year? Probably not as Rodgers still seems to be in the market for an attacking midfielder. We need to find the right club for a loan, a club that encourages some decent football.

No point loaning him out again. As surely he can't have long left on his contract.

Either sell him or keep him.

[GrkStav]

Why wasn't he the best player in Spain last season?

Because he simply isn't the 'best player' that played in the Segunda last season. Given the level of sheer world-class young talent that takes part in the Segunda, that's no knock on him.

[GrkStav]

I wonder why Dani doesn't want more than what he has at the moment.... Most players want regular first team football. Why is he not knocking down BR's door asking to be let go so be can get his career going.

I think he's tried to push for a move that will allow him to play regular football, preferably on loan, so that he can either return to LFC (one can't begrudge him for wanting eventually to make a solid career with LFC, right?) or move to a decent top-division club in England or Spain.

As for people complaining about seeing too many pictures of him at restaurants, what can I say, the boy actually uses twitter. He does also post pictures of himself training with other young players, or spending time with first-team players. Beats him posting embarrassing pictures of himself and his "package", no?

[Mr_Morosoph]

Don't think I've ever wanted someone to make it with us as much as Dani. Seems like a great guy and the talent is there. There's obviously something missing though. At this point I think we should sell him, though make sure to put a buy back clause in there somewhere.

[Fromola]

Because he simply isn't the 'best player' that played in the Segunda last season. Given the level of sheer world-class young talent that takes part in the Segunda, that's no knock on him.

Barca and Real's B teams are stocked full of excellent talent. Luis Alberto was playing in Segunda last season and wasn't even the best player in it.

[Draex]

If someone like Alberto or Coutinho had done that reverse flick through his legs everyone would of been fawning over it.

[aggerdid]

i'd love to know what went wrong for him here. i'm in the "if all the shit hadn't kicked off years ago and rafa had a stable position i think he would have been a squad player for us" camp. he does seem intelligent but brendan doesn't like him. lambert should take him to aston villa before we do worse damage to his career. yet another waste of our academy's time and money. player shows promise > gets loaned off > comes back > sold/contract runs down

[Fromola]

i'd love to know what went wrong for him here. i'm in the "if all the shit hadn't kicked off years ago and rafa had a stable position i think he would have been a squad player for us" camp. he does seem intelligent but brendan doesn't like him. lambert should take him to aston villa before we do worse damage to his career. yet another waste of our academy's time and money. player shows promise > gets loaned off > comes back > sold/contract runs down

I'd just like to know why, though. He seems like a Rodgers-type player and exactly the type of player who fits into his style, but he's barely had a chance.