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« Reply #80 on: February 1, 2023, 10:19:39 am »
Yeah, totally. But I think that’s a speed bump rather than a brick wall. It’ll overcome that with a bit of time. The scariest thing for me is that it can recreate realistic instrumentation in a way that I have to work really hard at. Strings, in particular, take up a lot of my time and effort.

I’m just kinda bummed out that this is a focus for AI development. For a lot of creatives, the artsy, personal side of their work is supported by the commercial stuff that gets you a steady income. I guess because it’s box-office. This will pull more headlines than an AI that screens through health data or does something more useful, but mundane.

There are ways that AI could be made to help creatives, rather than make the obsolete, while still be profitable. I’d happily pay subscriptions for an advanced AI RAW photo editor. It would free up more of my creative time. At the moment, there are no good ones.

I’ve spoken to others who think I’m being a doomsayer. “They said the same when photoshop/digital cameras/DAWs came along etc” but this is massively different. It isn’t just a tool to help things become easier. If you’re creating a final product it doesn’t leave room for the artist.
We've seen a similar progression already with music. The landscape changed when more tech got introduced. It became easier for people to generate music from their bedrooms with no skills with physical musical instruments. Their skills lay in their creativity and a good ear (...to some!).  This will probably have a similar effect, but it may make music too sterile.  There's beauty in imperfection and in the rawness of new instrumental musical talent.  It may just become another genre in music.  I'm not sure AI will be able to provide the emotional connection behind the music that a lot of people, myself included, love.

I agree with you though.  Why can't they focus on the mundane shit we loathe not the stuff that brings us joy and love in creating!

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Re: ChatGPT / OpenAI
« Reply #81 on: February 1, 2023, 10:40:41 am »
Yeah, totally. But I think that’s a speed bump rather than a brick wall. It’ll overcome that with a bit of time. The scariest thing for me is that it can recreate realistic instrumentation in a way that I have to work really hard at. Strings, in particular, take up a lot of my time and effort.

I’m just kinda bummed out that this is a focus for AI development. For a lot of creatives, the artsy, personal side of their work is supported by the commercial stuff that gets you a steady income. I guess because it’s box-office. This will pull more headlines than an AI that screens through health data or does something more useful, but mundane.

There are ways that AI could be made to help creatives, rather than make the obsolete, while still be profitable. I’d happily pay subscriptions for an advanced AI RAW photo editor. It would free up more of my creative time. At the moment, there are no good ones.

I’ve spoken to others who think I’m being a doomsayer. “They said the same when photoshop/digital cameras/DAWs came along etc” but this is massively different. It isn’t just a tool to help things become easier. If you’re creating a final product it doesn’t leave room for the artist.

Can you get it to do the strings bit while you do the others?
I suppose the problem is the required 'quality'.
For example the stock photos of say "people round a boardroom table looking really excited at a powerpoint".  You could easily spend a day setting the shot up, styling the hair, choosing the clothes perfecting the lighting , getting a great power point up . Perfect sized table . A really good shot.
And charge, well a decent amount.
But for what it's going to be used for , a free image that fulfills the basic criteria is more than good enough.
As an analogy, good food (or wine) is pretty much wasted on my as I don't have the palette to appreciate it.  A £20 decently cooked meal and a £200 super chef created one are more or less the same to me.
"All the lads have been talking about is walking out in front of the Kop, with 40,000 singing 'You'll Never Walk Alone'," Collins told BBC Radio Solent. "All the money in the world couldn't buy that feeling," he added.

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« Reply #82 on: February 1, 2023, 10:56:10 am »
Can you get it to do the strings bit while you do the others?
I suppose the problem is the required 'quality'.
For example the stock photos of say "people round a boardroom table looking really excited at a powerpoint".  You could easily spend a day setting the shot up, styling the hair, choosing the clothes perfecting the lighting , getting a great power point up . Perfect sized table . A really good shot.
And charge, well a decent amount.
But for what it's going to be used for , a free image that fulfills the basic criteria is more than good enough.
As an analogy, good food (or wine) is pretty much wasted on my as I don't have the palette to appreciate it.  A £20 decently cooked meal and a £200 super chef created one are more or less the same to me.

The shot in your hypothetical will take time and, usually, personal expense. The people in it will be paid. The photographer or photography studio will take that financial burden knowing they can get 5-10 years of small, accumulative passive income from it. There’s often no big pay day for most stock - especially after Getty etc get their cream off the top. AI will be able to do that without the photographer, models or any crew. Getty/google or whoever will be free to undercut any humans still making stock and still make more money.

As it gets more sophisticated, the more of the industry it will consume. Celebrities may, and doubtless will, take advantage of AI to do promo shoots for them. Ad work where they no longer have to spend a half day on a photoshoot but instead license their AI likeness.

For your music question, if it was a tool that did it, it would certainly help, but maybe remove some of the satisfaction- not all hard work is a chore if there is a payoff at the end. It’s kind of like our competition with city - the feeling that no matter how hard the team compete, It’s not a fair fight.

Even the ‘hum a melody’ bits would be a help. But that has not been the focus of AI. They’re focusing on creating standalone, complete music.

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Re: ChatGPT / OpenAI
« Reply #83 on: February 1, 2023, 11:22:42 am »
how long before we see an AI generated film. Not just CGI, the script, the score, everything.
Maybe the Oscars will have a category for best film not made by humans.
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Re: ChatGPT / OpenAI
« Reply #84 on: February 1, 2023, 01:43:10 pm »
how long before we see an AI generated film. Not just CGI, the script, the score, everything.
Maybe the Oscars will have a category for best film not made by humans.

How long until AI decides we don't need humans anymore?
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« Reply #85 on: February 1, 2023, 01:52:06 pm »
How long until AI decides we don't need humans anymore?

Don't let it scrape the text from the main board and the transfer thread, it will quickly deem humans to be not worthy and a menace to the world.

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Re: ChatGPT / OpenAI
« Reply #86 on: February 1, 2023, 02:44:47 pm »
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Re: ChatGPT / OpenAI
« Reply #87 on: February 2, 2023, 08:28:01 am »
I didn't click the daily mail link, but it looks like moonpig are leveraging ChatGPT.
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Re: ChatGPT / OpenAI
« Reply #88 on: February 4, 2023, 09:26:56 am »
I imagine this is how SKYNET started out.
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Re: ChatGPT / OpenAI
« Reply #89 on: February 4, 2023, 09:39:07 am »
I imagine this is how SKYNET started out.

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Re: ChatGPT / OpenAI
« Reply #90 on: February 4, 2023, 09:42:43 am »
“There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.”

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Re: ChatGPT / OpenAI
« Reply #91 on: February 8, 2023, 10:37:05 am »
Microsoft have built this into Bing and will be adding it to developer tools this year. Google are making an announcement about something at 1:30, one of my bosses think its their own AI
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Re: ChatGPT / OpenAI
« Reply #92 on: February 8, 2023, 10:49:20 am »
Microsoft have built this into Bing and will be adding it to developer tools this year. Google are making an announcement about something at 1:30, one of my bosses think its their own AI
Probably "Bard"

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« Reply #93 on: February 8, 2023, 01:39:40 pm »
AI'll be back
That is so bad I had to leave it several days to fully appreciate it.
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« Reply #94 on: February 8, 2023, 05:33:09 pm »
Loving this AI, helped me resolve something today, first couple of attempts errored when I tried it, literally had a Q&A session with the bot and it kept re-writing different expressions and after 4 attempts it worked!
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Re: ChatGPT / OpenAI
« Reply #95 on: February 8, 2023, 07:43:40 pm »
It's weird. We kind of do that when we Google, but seem to end up going round in circles.
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Re: ChatGPT / OpenAI
« Reply #96 on: February 8, 2023, 11:01:09 pm »
Ask it to code you a script that does a specific thing in a language of your choice. Or to create a WordPress plug in for something.
  There is more than "just regurgitating some shite it has read online" behind it.

Where is it getting all the coding knowledge from? Its from scrubbing it from other online sources.

It works pretty well most of the time, solving small little coding issues or filing some gaps in someone's knowledge. It can be a useful tool in the hands of someone who already knows what they are doing.

However, I do think its worse than a google search in the hands of a lazy or unknowledgeable person because it straight up makes up lies and provides false information when it can't find anything.

With a search engine, you are presented a bunch of search results, and as a user you are expected to parse through what is good and what is unreliable.

With ChatGPT it is marketed as AI, it presents its answers with conviction, when it is often providing crappy information to the end user.

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« Reply #97 on: February 8, 2023, 11:08:42 pm »
I asked it to write a method to return a set of numbers based on various criteria.  I then asked it to provide a list of expect results from that method based on parameters I gave it.
When viewing the results I noticed a value that wasn't exceptable and I asked it to tweak the code to take that into account.  It regenerated the code and it re ran the tests.  This time it was acceptable.

I think simulating the results is a pretty impressive trick.

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« Reply #98 on: February 9, 2023, 11:13:26 am »
Where is it getting all the coding knowledge from? Its from scrubbing it from other online sources.

It works pretty well most of the time, solving small little coding issues or filing some gaps in someone's knowledge. It can be a useful tool in the hands of someone who already knows what they are doing.

However, I do think its worse than a google search in the hands of a lazy or unknowledgeable person because it straight up makes up lies and provides false information when it can't find anything.

With a search engine, you are presented a bunch of search results, and as a user you are expected to parse through what is good and what is unreliable.

With ChatGPT it is marketed as AI, it presents its answers with conviction, when it is often providing crappy information to the end user.

I've noticed it uses outdated code presumably due to most of the data it has scraped is old.

For example, when I was getting it to write a powershell script it uses the cmdlet "Get-WMIObject" which is deprecated and doesn't work in Powershell 7, when really it should be using the command "Get-CimInstance". It did promptly fix it when I pointed that out though.

It shows up a flaw though, its going to serve up scripts in a way that is no longer best practice and many people won't notice, or know why it isn't working.

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« Reply #99 on: February 9, 2023, 02:40:56 pm »
Powershell 7 came out in 2020? A year before the cut off date for the data used in modelling. As it uses probability to determine what results to return, I guess the amount of data that is available on that subject in the old tech, is probably what makes it think it's most likely to be right.  Did you tell it to use the latest version of Powershell to get the correction or did you point out the syntax change?

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« Reply #100 on: February 9, 2023, 02:53:31 pm »
Powershell 7 came out in 2020? A year before the cut off date for the data used in modelling. As it uses probability to determine what results to return, I guess the amount of data that is available on that subject in the old tech, is probably what makes it think it's most likely to be right.  Did you tell it to use the latest version of Powershell to get the correction or did you point out the syntax change?

Just told it the cmdlet was deprecated and it should use Get-CimInstance. It then rewrote it correctly.

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« Reply #101 on: February 9, 2023, 03:19:13 pm »
Just told it the cmdlet was deprecated and it should use Get-CimInstance. It then rewrote it correctly.

Should it now remember this for the future for everyone else?

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« Reply #102 on: February 9, 2023, 03:33:28 pm »
Should it now remember this for the future for everyone else?

Yeah, so stop telling it its fucking wrong, so it never gets it right, so some dickhead can't just use it when they have no clue what they are doing ;)
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« Reply #103 on: February 9, 2023, 04:12:49 pm »
Should it now remember this for the future for everyone else?
I don't believe it will.  It only seems to remember things you tell it within the confines of that chat thread.

Looking at the API to get the responses in context of your conversation, you always have to submit the history of the conversation.

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« Reply #104 on: February 9, 2023, 04:20:06 pm »
I don't believe it will.  It only seems to remember things you tell it within the confines of that chat thread.

Looking at the API to get the responses in context of your conversation, you always have to submit the history of the conversation.

I assume it does learn from the chats but doesn't just accept something from one person or chat session. If it keeps getting told something by multiple people it will eventually accept that as trustworthy.

A bit like Captcha's that ask you to identify all the traffic lights, or enter the house number, it waits until it has enough answers before accepting something is correct.

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Re: ChatGPT / OpenAI
« Reply #105 on: February 9, 2023, 04:30:30 pm »
From the horses mouth...
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As a language model developed by OpenAI, I do not store or retain any information or knowledge gained from individual interactions. Each time I respond to a request, I generate a response based on the information I have been trained on, which is not influenced by previous interactions. Furthermore, the knowledge that I have been trained on is not updated in real-time, and my training data has a cutoff date of 2021, so any new or updated information that has emerged since that time may not be reflected in my responses.

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« Reply #106 on: February 9, 2023, 05:58:25 pm »
Well someone or another company will sort that out in no time, seems to be a bit of a limited way of doing things

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« Reply #107 on: February 9, 2023, 06:24:50 pm »
Might be to prevent Google from feeding it a shit ton of erroneous infom
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« Reply #108 on: February 9, 2023, 10:25:23 pm »
I've noticed it uses outdated code presumably due to most of the data it has scraped is old.

For example, when I was getting it to write a powershell script it uses the cmdlet "Get-WMIObject" which is deprecated and doesn't work in Powershell 7, when really it should be using the command "Get-CimInstance". It did promptly fix it when I pointed that out though.

It shows up a flaw though, its going to serve up scripts in a way that is no longer best practice and many people won't notice, or know why it isn't working.

I am not coder although can do very basic stuff  however, this is probably the strongest suite for ChatGPT at the moment besides writing high school essays that will get you C or D grade.

I tried to use it for a work task as a test. I asked it to write a technical specification for a construction project. Usually, this is a copy-paste job from a publicly available word document. Not hard. With google, this would take 2 mins. I was specific about what I wanted.

I expected it to just read that document and spit out the answer. But no it really struggled and gave me a weak sauce bullshit answer. Had a really clueless engineer or builder used this specification it would definitely open up doors for cost claims and lawsuits. No matter what I told it, it couldn't fix the answer, said it couldn't access this word document online.

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« Reply #109 on: February 10, 2023, 06:47:58 am »
How long until AI decides we don't need humans anymore?

Ah, the impending singularity.  ::)
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« Reply #110 on: February 11, 2023, 07:03:59 am »
Interesting post max powers.
There's critiques out there that would suggest it does behave as you say .
It definitely seems to be a useful tool for people with knowledge in their field rather than a replacement just yet.

Was just wondering how come it's'exploded' now. I know some of it is algorithms personalised to me, but a month ago if not heard of it and now it's everywhere.
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« Reply #111 on: February 11, 2023, 08:28:49 am »
Interesting post max powers.
There's critiques out there that would suggest it does behave as you say .
It definitely seems to be a useful tool for people with knowledge in their field rather than a replacement just yet.

Was just wondering how come it's'exploded' now. I know some of it is algorithms personalised to me, but a month ago if not heard of it and now it's everywhere.

The Last Leg used it last night to write a joke, which they slipped into the show without revealing at the time it was the chatbot joke - the joke was shite and not funny. It was about Zelensky meeting Charles and how they had something in common, as neither one of them had a country. It fell very flat with the audence, the producer didn't get it and the shows lawyer thought it was a bit nasty/on the edge of acceptable.
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« Reply #112 on: February 11, 2023, 09:02:57 am »
To be fair, you'd expect comedy to be way down on the list of things AI can manage.
And sense of humour is so specific. Just look at the audience figures for Mrs brown's boys!

I suppose it's maybe where search was in early days, a fantastic vehicle for info but needed a competent driver at the wheel.
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« Reply #113 on: February 11, 2023, 09:07:14 am »
Also ..  guess we all saw that the Google version wiped a $100bn off alphabet share value.  Anything truss can do AI can do better...
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« Reply #114 on: February 12, 2023, 11:21:58 pm »
Interesting post max powers.
There's critiques out there that would suggest it does behave as you say .
It definitely seems to be a useful tool for people with knowledge in their field rather than a replacement just yet.

Was just wondering how come it's'exploded' now. I know some of it is algorithms personalised to me, but a month ago if not heard of it and now it's everywhere.

ChatGPT was only publicly released 2 months ago.

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Re: ChatGPT / OpenAI
« Reply #115 on: February 15, 2023, 01:50:53 pm »
ChatGPT was only publicly released 2 months ago.


That would explain it :)


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« Reply #116 on: February 15, 2023, 09:20:13 pm »
The Last Leg used it last night to write a joke, which they slipped into the show without revealing at the time it was the chatbot joke - the joke was shite and not funny. It was about Zelensky meeting Charles and how they had something in common, as neither one of them had a country. It fell very flat with the audence, the producer didn't get it and the shows lawyer thought it was a bit nasty/on the edge of acceptable.

Wasn't there an AI written and produced Seinfeld show in Twitch? I have seen some clips and it is extremely unfunny copy of the orignal.

On side note, I used it to write my girlfriend a poem for Valentines and a few word choices aside it was pretty good. More funny than romantic but still pretty good.

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« Reply #117 on: February 15, 2023, 09:27:56 pm »
Wasn't there an AI written and produced Seinfeld show in Twitch? I have seen some clips and it is extremely unfunny copy of the orignal.

On side note, I used it to write my girlfriend a poem for Valentines and a few word choices aside it was pretty good. More funny than romantic but still pretty good.
Did the bot get the 'benefits' ?
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« Reply #118 on: February 16, 2023, 05:33:45 pm »
Did the bot get the 'benefits' ?

It did not, she did say that she was leaving me for ChatGPT. But I think that was a joke..... for now.

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