Topic: Sexual Abuser Donald Trump Indicted

[Red Beret]

He's uneducated.

Never attended class, never sat for tests.

He's always the dumbest and loudest in the room.

If he's tried by a jury of his peers they'll all be lazy rich kid grifter bullies.

Well Trump does love the poorly educated.

Plus, we still have potential indictments from Georgia and the Special Prosecutor to look forward to - oh, and the sexual assault defamation lawsuit, amongst many others.

[stoa]

Something specific? Or are you just making a general statement!?

I'd say both. He's clearly a horrible c*nt in general, but there's also this from the BBC:

Kevin McCarthy has just released a blistering statement indicating he will go after New York prosecutor Alvin Bragg using the power of Congress.

The Republican Speaker of the House writes on Twitter: "Alvin Bragg has irreparably damaged our country in an attempt to interfere in our presidential election.

"As he routinely frees violent criminals to terrorise the public, he weaponised our sacred system of justice against President Donald Trump.

"The American people will not tolerate this injustice, and the House of Representatives will hold Alvin Bragg and his unprecedented abuse of power to account."

[Qston]

Divorce papers being served next would be delicious.

What would be even more delicious would be him getting sent to prison, and keeping in mind his horrific fascist alignment with white supremacists, being placed in a cell with a very large and angry black fella who is only in there for having tried to defend himself against fucking lunatics like him.

He will turn all this into a complete circus. It will appeal to his lunatic fringe, but in terms of a general election will totally sink whatever chance he had. God I detest this fella.

[ChaChaMooMoo]

Divorce papers being served next would be delicious.

He was already wanking all over Ivanka.
If the divorce papers get served, I am sure he will find a 30 year old Ivanka look-alike.

[Red Beret]

Melania isn't interested in divorce. She's waiting for him to die.

They're pretty much living separate lives right now. Melania lives on a separate part of the compound with her parents and son.

[thaddeus]

A naďve question and I'd appreciate the insight of somebody more knowledgeable...

The charges against Trump seem rather technical.  With all the things he's been up to was this the best they could find or more that it's the simplest one to prosecute?

It feels a bit like Capone being jailed for tax evasion when his more serious crimes were plain to see (but hard to prosecute).

[Riquende]

The charges against Trump seem rather technical.  With all the things he's been up to was this the best they could find or more that it's the simplest one to prosecute?

It's different teams in different state/federal jurisdictions. Bragg can't do anything about the election inteference in Georgia, nor can he pursue any federal violations around the purloined documents at Mar-a-lago or J6.

[thejbs]

“The rule of law is suspended tonight,” Carlson announced gravely. “What you’re seeing now is lawlessness – the question is who can stop it?

“It almost feels like they’re pushing the population,” he mused at one point.

Carlson seemed to finally get the answer he was searching for from sports commentator Jason Whitlock: “They are agitating for unrest … I’m ready for whatever’s next. And I hope that every other man watching this is ready for whatever’s next.”

Tucker “I passionately hate trump” Carlson and Fox trying to incite riots.

[KillieRed]

A naďve question and I'd appreciate the insight of somebody more knowledgeable...

The charges against Trump seem rather technical.  With all the things he's been up to was this the best they could find or more that it's the simplest one to prosecute?

It feels a bit like Capone being jailed for tax evasion when his more serious crimes were plain to see (but hard to prosecute).

Bragg is just the first prosecutor to pull the trigger, which on the surface looks like a misdemeanour. However the charges are sealed and might be anything. Hints that Federal charges may be indicted (sorry indicated 😜). Obstruction of Justice?

The hope is that this indictment will see the dam break and embolden/empower other prosecutors to indict him on the more serious charges: Georgia electoral interference/RICO charges, the special counsel’s investigations into January 6th and election interference and the Case of the Purloined States Secrets.

🤞

[Red Beret]

Tucker “I passionately hate trump” Carlson and Fox trying to incite riots.

As usual, dangerous af rhetoric from the tw@t who always says he's just asking questions.

The subtext is obvious - meet this alleged lawlessness with actual lawlessness.  Dictatorship 101: a violent minority keeps the majority cowed by the threat of violence.  "If only you stopped standing up for yourself, I wouldn't have to keep hitting you. "

Sick bastards.

[Nobby Reserve]

The Repugs know that, in terms of the Presidency (without their gerrymandering to boost their House seats), demographics are steadily shifting away from them.

Trump put together an electoral coalition of voters in 2016. As well as the Repug loyalists, gun fetishists, racists and religious bigots who want to impose puritanical oppression on everyone, Trump sold his MAGA snake oil to millions of [justifiably] disenfranchised Americans who were economically disadvantaged (principally by corporate offshoring of manufacturing jobs and economic globalisation generally).

By 2020, many had seen through the the MAGA bollocks and abandoned him.

The Repugs know they will struggle to get the numbers for any future Presidential election so need to retain as many of the Trump 'base' as they can. That's why they've been doubling-down on the 'culture war' crap, and throwing red meat to the oppressive religious-right.

They're also acutely aware that they have to publicly support Trump and fight for him, or a chunk of his base with fuck off in a strop.

Privately, I reckon many are hoping he gets convicted and taken out of the picture (they'd make him out to be a martyr and play that card for all its worth)

In the meantime, they increase the polarisation of the US and increase the chances of a major internal conflict erupting there.

They're utter scum.

[thejbs]

Interesting to see how the Christo fascists defend him here. What does the bible say about having affairs with pornstars and paying them hush money?

[KillieRed]

Interesting to see how the Christo fascists defend him here. What does the bible say about having affairs with pornstars and paying them hush money?

“It never happened”

[Nobby Reserve]

Interesting to see how the Christo fascists defend him here. What does the bible say about having affairs with pornstars and paying them hush money?

Like hypocrisy and cherry-picking isn't already an established thing for them...

[Riquende]

Interesting to see how the Christo fascists defend him here. What does the bible say about having affairs with pornstars and paying them hush money?

And the Lord sayeth unto them, "It was beyond the statute of limitations"

[BarryCrocker]

Interesting to see how the Christo fascists defend him here. What does the bible say about having affairs with pornstars and paying them hush money?

Jesus forgives.

[KillieRed]

The always amusing Marina Hyde:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/mar/31/donald-trump-indictment-criminal-charges

[lobsterboy]

Divorce papers being served next would be delicious.

Maybe if she was really his wife and not his handler...

[rafathegaffa83]

Covering all bases.

That "Soros backed" dog whistle couldn't be any louder

[KillieRed]

That "Soros backed" dog whistle couldn't be any louder

I wonder what Soros thinks every time he hears or reads his name in connection with him being some dark overload and crusher of conservative dreams?

[hide5seek]

The Repugs know that, in terms of the Presidency (without their gerrymandering to boost their House seats), demographics are steadily shifting away from them.

Trump put together an electoral coalition of voters in 2016. As well as the Repug loyalists, gun fetishists, racists and religious bigots who want to impose puritanical oppression on everyone, Trump sold his MAGA snake oil to millions of [justifiably] disenfranchised Americans who were economically disadvantaged (principally by corporate offshoring of manufacturing jobs and economic globalisation generally).

By 2020, many had seen through the the MAGA bollocks and abandoned him.

The Repugs know they will struggle to get the numbers for any future Presidential election so need to retain as many of the Trump 'base' as they can. That's why they've been doubling-down on the 'culture war' crap, and throwing red meat to the oppressive religious-right.

They're also acutely aware that they have to publicly support Trump and fight for him, or a chunk of his base with fuck off in a strop.

Privately, I reckon many are hoping he gets convicted and taken out of the picture (they'd make him out to be a martyr and play that card for all its worth)

In the meantime, they increase the polarisation of the US and increase the chances of a major internal conflict erupting there.

They're utter scum.

Pretty sure Republicans under Trump are polling to win the next Presidential election.

[Nobby Reserve]

Maybe if she was really his wife and not his handler...

 

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Political hit job.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

That "Soros backed" dog whistle couldn't be any louder

Wait until he starts a "Whose Streets" chant.

[So… Howard Philips]

Jesus forgives.

Just don’t mention Mary Magdalene either.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Somebody better have protection.

"The Judge 'assigned' to my Witch Hunt Case, a 'case' that has NEVER BEEN CHARGED BEFORE, HATES ME," Trump posted on his Truth Social platform. "His name is Juan Manuel Marchan, was hand picked by Bragg & the Prosecutors, & is the same person who 'railroaded' my 75 year old former CFO, Allen Weisselberg, to take a 'plea' deal (Plead GUILTY, even if you are not, 90 DAYS, fight us in Court, 10 years (life!) in jail."

You don't get a single day if you're innocent & lets not forget that the racist bastard still thinks the Central Park guys should've been killed.

Fucking c*nt.

[mickeydocs]

Interesting to see how the Christo fascists defend him here. What does the bible say about having affairs with pornstars and paying them hush money?

Abraham and Hagar anyone?

[nozza]

It was the beginning of the end when he was voted in as president. Utter shit show ever since and if you think he is going to go quietly think again. The next 18 months and the run up to the next election are going to be worse than we have seen.
He will be charged again for jan 6th and for the Fulton county case and will have no option to become President again so he can pardon himself.
He and his lawyers will kick these cases down the road with appeal after appeal for the next two years pulling every stall tactic possible until he regains power.
He has the majority of law makers in congress backing him, which beggars belief and  will be treated as a saviour and martyr by his growing band of lunatic followers. Get ready for rally after rally with the victim stuff , woe is me, take up arms against the evil dems blah blah blah and the media will fucking lap it up. These weak fucking republicans who continue to defend and support a man that can't even spell, communicate or comb his fucking hair are all to blame. The Gene is well and truly out of the bottle. Strap in.

[Nobby Reserve]

Part of me would love to see the utter c*nts like the Proud Bellends and other maggots 'rise up' and try to take on the US military. If only to see the body count of racist, bigots and right wing conspiracy loons


(obviously wouldn't really, given the inevitability of collateral casualties)

[Mumm-Ra]

Bit of a devil's advocate/Debbie Downer view point here:

Could this be a mistake? It's a 7-year old, $130k campaign finance offence. Misuse of campaign funds to pay off someone with a potentially embarrassing story of a consensual affair in 2006.

We know he's done so much wrong, but this particular crime is the one that nobody really cares about. If the campaign finance violation had been hiding contributions from Russia or China or something, that would be different.

Having said that, I just read back through the timeline. I didn't realise we hadn't heard anything about this story until 2018. Apparently Stormy was shopping it around and it was about to come out in the Daily Beast the week before the election - could it have turned off enough church-going Republicans to stop them voting for him? The Access Hollywood tapes didn't. His character was well established at that point.

I don't know, I'm just thinking this gives the whole 'persecution of political enemies' angle a lot of weight and they'll be able to make good use of it.

[Riquende]

will be treated as a saviour and martyr by his growing band of lunatic followers.

The statement by the "New York Young Republican Club", as reported by the Guardian's live news feed, is wild hyperbole even by the standards of the standard Republican response today:

https://nyyrc.com/statements/statement-on-president-trumps-indictment/

I've excised some of the guff, see if you can make out a subtle call to arms in amongst this drivel. Emphasis mine, except the very last sentence, which they put in bold themselves just in case the point wasn't hammered home enough:

Today, our nation careens toward tyranny at an unprecedented pace. We have taken a decisive step away from the values that define our national character. Radical leftist interests, beholden to an elite, internationalist cabal have taken the unprecedented step of indicting President Donald J. Trump, the leading candidate for the 2024 presidential election.

Every American feels today the solid grasp of the Fifth Column on his throat; henceforth, we must openly acknowledge what so many have long known: that control of our nation’s fate has long been prised from our grasp. Let anyone who celebrates this downfall of our republic be forever branded a traitor to our nation. No one who mocks the people’s will can claim the title of an American.

President Trump embodies the American people—our psyche from id to super-ego—as does no other figure; his soul is totally bonded with our core values and emotions, and he is our total and indisputable champion. This tremendous connection threatens the established order. Every American owes him thanks.

President Trump assured us that he was our retribution. Now we must return the rejoinder: our victory will be the joint vindication that our great President Donald J. Trump and our American people both deserve. This is Total War.

[A Red Abroad]

The statement by the "New York Young Republican Club", as reported by the Guardian's live news feed, is wild hyperbole even by the standards of the standard Republican response today:

https://nyyrc.com/statements/statement-on-president-trumps-indictment/

I've excised some of the guff, see if you can make out a subtle call to arms in amongst this drivel. Emphasis mine, except the very last sentence, which they put in bold themselves just in case the point wasn't hammered home enough:

Today, our nation careens toward tyranny at an unprecedented pace. We have taken a decisive step away from the values that define our national character. Radical leftist interests, beholden to an elite, internationalist cabal have taken the unprecedented step of indicting President Donald J. Trump, the leading candidate for the 2024 presidential election.

Every American feels today the solid grasp of the Fifth Column on his throat; henceforth, we must openly acknowledge what so many have long known: that control of our nation’s fate has long been prised from our grasp. Let anyone who celebrates this downfall of our republic be forever branded a traitor to our nation. No one who mocks the people’s will can claim the title of an American.

President Trump embodies the American people—our psyche from id to super-ego—as does no other figure; his soul is totally bonded with our core values and emotions, and he is our total and indisputable champion. This tremendous connection threatens the established order. Every American owes him thanks.

President Trump assured us that he was our retribution. Now we must return the rejoinder: our victory will be the joint vindication that our great President Donald J. Trump and our American people both deserve. This is Total War.

Blimey!

 

[KillieRed]

The case only went away because Trump as kind of president back then. His AG Barr ordered the federal prosecutors to drop it (weaponised justice system you say?) and they had Michael Cohen take the fall despite Trump being fingered by him (sorry for the imagery) as Individual #1. The local DA said as much in his book after the fact. Barr then had Cohen sent back to prison by way of revenge when he said he was going to write a book about everything, breaking all sorts of constitutional law. The state eventually took up the case when free to do so.

[KillieRed]

Blimey!

 

Doesn’t sound like fascism at all. Love how the minority of loons dares to speak for every American.

[Boston always unofficial]

I'm still in the nothing is going to happen to him camp.There will be the usual flag waving loons out,there will be lots of money to be made,The dems will tut tut tut and say vote for us,the GOP will say all is good,nothing to see.Praise the lord and pass the ammunition.The country can tear itself apart.

[A Red Abroad]

Doesn’t sound like fascism at all. Love how the minority of loons dares to speak for every American.

It all scares the cr@p outta me.

[Nobby Reserve]

The statement by the "New York Young Republican Club",

Young Republicans?

[John C]

We know he's done so much wrong, but this particular crime is the one that nobody really cares about. If the campaign finance violation had been hiding contributions from Russia or China or something, that would be different.

I've been thinking about this all week mate. Although it is important for investigators and courts to take and charge every crime seriously (Cohen got stuck away for his bit) I'd much prefer that this is a case that the public would want rather than perhaps being sympathetic towards Trump about.

Hopefully there's some detail in the supposed list of 34 charges that might prickle the public and that the sensible members of the US society understand the principles of a solid case. Of course MAGA nuts never will.

I really, really can't stand this piece of shit and hopefully this indictment and the others pending very soon will do serious damage not just to his campaign but his entire lifestyle.

[KillieRed]

Also I heard on a podcast (perhaps Rachel Maddow?) that Bragg has already made 117 such white collar indictments. What would it say if he gave the disgraced former president a pass?

[Mumm-Ra]

I've been thinking about this all week mate. Although it is important for investigators and courts to take and charge every crime seriously (Cohen got stuck away for his bit) I'd much prefer that this is a case that the public would want rather than perhaps being sympathetic towards Trump about.

Hopefully there's some detail in the supposed list of 34 charges that might prickle the public and that the sensible members of the US society understand the principles of a solid case. Of course MAGA nuts never will.

I really, really can't stand this piece of shit and hopefully this indictment and the others pending very soon will do serious damage not just to his campaign but his entire lifestyle.

Yeah. Just this alone isn't enough to trigger any outrage among the general public. Jan 6 and Georgia are the big ones. Hopefully something comes along in those cases as well, to create an overall picture of habitual law-breaking, and it gets to the point where he is indefensible.

As you say the 34 counts will hopefully paint a better picture of the offense and get people on board with the prosecution

Just as a hypothetical - let's say in 2006 Obama had had the affair with Stormy instead of Trump (she would be happier with this at least). Then in October of 2012 before the election with Romney, Obama had used his campaign funds for hush money. Then in 2019, a few years into the Trump presidency, charges were filed against Obama. I think we'd all be going spare and saying verbatim the stuff the Republicans are saying now. I'd be acknowledging a crime was committed, but I'd be railing against using the govt's resources to prosecute it, for something so petty, seven years later.