Author Topic: Climate Emergency is already here. How much worse it gets is still up to us (?) (Read 371240 times)

Red Beret · « **Reply #1800 on:** October 16, 2015, 02:29:48 pm »

Just posting for info. No idea if relevant. Feel free to ignore.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/exxon-evil-bill-mckibben_561e7362e4b028dd7ea5f45f?o90vbo6r

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bill-mckibben-exxonmobile_561fee19e4b050c6c4a4c67d?utm_hp_ref=green&ir=Green&section=green&ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000044

BER · « **Reply #1801 on:** November 4, 2015, 12:56:19 am »

What does this mean?

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/03/world/antarctica-ice-gain/

Bioluminescence · « **Reply #1802 on:** November 4, 2015, 09:01:56 am »

Quote from: BER on November 4, 2015, 12:56:19 am

What does this mean?

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/03/world/antarctica-ice-gain/

At this point I don't think it means that much. There is one key issue with this research in that the authors only use data up to 2008 (the satellite they used lost all its lasers in 2009 I think), and therefore ignores more recent data which suggest the ice loss is accelerating and some areas are destabilising. Also I think some of the methodologies used are being questioned but that's something the scientists are going to have to work out between themselves.

It also raises an important question: if Antarctica hasn't yet contributed to sea-level rise, then it means scientists are missing out on a major source of this rise, which seems unlikely. Until (if, that is) their results are replicated, it's not a good idea to reject all the other studies whose findings differ significantly from this paper. I think the key point is that the authors didn't use up-to-date data, which means it's wrong to claim Antarctica is gaining ice now.

TepidT2O · « **Reply #1803 on:** January 20, 2016, 06:49:46 pm »

2015 smashes the record for hottest year.

And by quite some margin too...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-35354579

PaulV · « **Reply #1804 on:** January 21, 2016, 11:28:06 pm »

This free course may be of interest to some people on this thread.

https://www.edx.org/course/global-warming-science-mitx-12-340x-0#!

No idea how good it is, but it has some pretty decent reviews.

Sudden Death Draft Loser · « **Reply #1805 on:** March 3, 2016, 08:25:53 pm »

I think this is the best topic to post this:

“Base load” power: a myth used to defend the fossil fuel industry

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As the network operator builds out its clean power sources, they noted, coal-fired generators could only serve as “reserve power” to supplement renewables.

“The only hurdle to overcome is ‘mindset’,” Liu said. “There’s no technical challenge at all.”

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“Base load is not a technical concept, it is an economic concept and a business concept of the coal industry that is no longer feasible,” says Sven Teske, an analyst with the Institute for Sustainable Futures in Sydney.

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He says his study shows that renewable energy can supply 100 per cent of Australia’s electricity needs by 2035, and 100 per cent of all energy needs (including transport and heating and industrial processes) by 2050.

“A 100% renewables Australia is definitely not a technology challenge it is a political one. And that is because it needs stable policy, something it has not enjoyed for a decade or more.”

http://reneweconomy.com.au/2016/base-load-power-a-myth-used-to-defend-the-fossil-fuel-industry-96007

Redman0151 · « **Reply #1806 on:** March 14, 2016, 11:05:08 am »

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/mar/14/february-breaks-global-temperature-records-by-shocking-amount?CMP=fb_gu

Worrying times, surface temperature 1.35C above average for february

BarryCrocker · « **Reply #1807 on:** March 14, 2016, 11:20:29 am »

Sydney has just recorded it 39th consecutive day above 26 degrees celsius. The previous record was 19.

Also includes 21 nights over 20 degrees celsius.

No global warming down here folks.

Bioluminescence · « **Reply #1808 on:** March 14, 2016, 11:44:20 am »

This blog post has more information on what's happening and where. You expect temperature anomalies to be higher during an El Niño, particularly in the equatorial Pacific, but a lot of the extra heat is found in the Arctic, parts of North America and of Europe:

It will be interesting to see what scientists have to say about this. Just hope it's a blip because this is scary:

Zeb · « **Reply #1809 on:** March 14, 2016, 05:01:29 pm »

Scorchio. This is the tipping point level of warming isn't it?

I guess the reason for 'why the Northern Hemisphere' is one to be answered at a later date?

TepidT2O · « **Reply #1810 on:** March 14, 2016, 05:14:05 pm »

Quote from: Zeb on March 14, 2016, 05:01:29 pm

Scorchio. This is the tipping point level of warming isn't it?

I guess the reason for 'why the Northern Hemisphere' is one to be answered at a later date?

Probably just an outlier to be fair....

You can't judge climate off the back of one year, let alone two months in one year..

Zeb · « **Reply #1811 on:** March 14, 2016, 05:32:11 pm »

Hopefully just a mad one and we're not on course to 4 degrees C much sooner than was expected.

Playing with climate change/sea level thing done as part of the lead up to the Paris Conference. http://choices.climatecentral.org/#12/53.4136/-3.0636?compare=temperatures&carbon-end-yr=2100&scenario-a=warming-4&scenario-b=warming-2

4 degree warming on left, 2 degree on right.

And London for full apocalyptic mode. $:-\$

CornerFlag · « **Reply #1812 on:** March 15, 2016, 09:07:58 pm »

Oh good, Leasowe drowns

Seriously though, I hope it's starting to highlight the importance of everything, starting with something as basic as recycling as often as you can and putting the right items in the right thing
(LIVERPOOL KNOWSLEY ST. HELENS SEFTON WIRRAL)

CornerFlag · « **Reply #1813 on:** March 20, 2016, 12:08:24 pm »

Watched BBC The Big Questions. Holy fuck Jeremy Corbyn's brother is a moron.

gazzalfc · « **Reply #1814 on:** July 16, 2016, 11:00:37 pm »

Guess we can close this thread now

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/07/15/shocking-plain-stupid-theresa-may-shuts-climate-change-office

Not that Gareth · « **Reply #1815 on:** July 27, 2016, 01:19:19 pm »

2016 continues to spread the cheer with it also catching the scientists of guard with just how hot it has been: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-weather-climatechange-science-idUSKCN1061RH?rpc=401

And to help it along there is currently a wild fire in Siberia, the smoke cloud is so big it can be seen from space! Lets hope it doesn't speed along the already melting permafrost
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/imageo/2016/07/22/blanket-of-smoke-from-siberia-fires-can-be-seen-from-1-million-miles-away-in-space/#.V5iiJPkrJD9

TepidT2O · « **Reply #1816 on:** July 27, 2016, 04:25:32 pm »

Derek seems to have stopped his graphs over the last couple of years..

I can't think why..

Not that Gareth · « **Reply #1817 on:** July 27, 2016, 05:02:18 pm »

Quote from: Kinky Kenneth on July 27, 2016, 04:25:32 pm

Derek seems to have stopped his graphs over the last couple of years..

I can't think why..

Not sure who Derek is but maybe he watched Toby...

TepidT2O · « **Reply #1818 on:** July 27, 2016, 06:23:28 pm »

lfcderek · « **Reply #1819 on:** July 27, 2016, 07:47:09 pm »

Quote from: Kinky Kenneth on July 27, 2016, 04:25:32 pm

Derek seems to have stopped his graphs over the last couple of years..

I can't think why..

Quote from: lfcderek on July 13, 2015, 08:40:05 pm

June is the last month for which there is data available.
0.62
And Yes - I give up.

I do still maintain them.

The end of the big 2015/16 El Niño (and the likely following La Niña) should see temps continue to fall back to the long term trend of 0.6/0.7 ^oC per century.

Significantly, this is close to the CO₂ only calcs (CO₂ obviously causes some warming), and doesn't include the (fictional) X3 positive feedbacks that appear in the models.

I'll put a note in my calendar to re-post in a year's time.

As I said - I gave up trying to persuade people of the basic idea of Science (and receiving considerable abuse for my efforts)

Hypothesis --> Prediction --> Observation --> Verify/Falsify

Let people make up their own minds from the (above) published data - and NOT from the carefully massaged versions on 'Warmist' sites.

Oh, bye-the-bye

Some Sociologist professor in Australia wants to make 'Climate Change Denial' a criminal offense apparently - I need to watch my step!

TepidT2O · « **Reply #1820 on:** July 27, 2016, 08:16:22 pm »

Much like I gave up trying to convince you that positive feedback loops could (and indeed did) exist!

Zeb · « **Reply #1821 on:** August 16, 2016, 10:20:17 pm »

Meanwhile, on earth. Hottest ever month since records began.

(Graph by Gavin Schmidt, Director of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies, http://www.realclimate.org/ )

Red-Soldier · « **Reply #1822 on:** August 16, 2016, 11:01:51 pm »

Professor Brian Cox clashes with Australian climate sceptic

'The celebrity scientist was dumbfounded by Mr Roberts' claim that climate change data was manipulated by Nasa.'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-37091391

Red-Soldier · « **Reply #1823 on:** August 17, 2016, 09:11:49 am »

Just for the record, anthropogenic climate change is happening, and has been happening since the Neolithic period.

Forget all the rubbish about it starting during the Industrial Revolution, there was a large spike in emissions during that time, but it's been steadily happening for thousands of years.

CO2 emissions began to rise around 8,000 yrs ago with the cutting and burning of the forests and methane saw a similar rise around 5,000 yrs ago, when humans started to irrigate for rice farming and tend livestock in unprecedented numbers.

So… Howard Philips · « **Reply #1824 on:** August 17, 2016, 09:17:03 am »

Quote from: Red-Soldier on August 16, 2016, 11:01:51 pm

Professor Brian Cox clashes with Australian climate sceptic

'The celebrity scientist was dumbfounded by Mr Roberts' claim that climate change data was manipulated by Nasa.'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-37091391

They are just like those who insisted the earth was flat, or the earth was the centre of the universe, or deny evolution.

mind you we have a large cohort of people in this country who deny economic facts.

Red-Soldier · « **Reply #1825 on:** August 17, 2016, 09:22:53 am »

Quote from: Howard Phillips on August 17, 2016, 09:17:03 am

They are just like those who insisted the earth was flat, or the earth was the centre of the universe, or deny evolution.

mind you we have a large cohort of people in this country who deny economic facts.

Fact-Resitant Humans:

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/scientists-earth-endangered-by-new-strain-of-fact-resistant-humans

CornerFlag · « **Reply #1826 on:** August 17, 2016, 11:05:52 pm »

Quote from: Red-Soldier on August 17, 2016, 09:22:53 am

Fact-Resitant Humans:

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/scientists-earth-endangered-by-new-strain-of-fact-resistant-humans

You're not kidding, I'm trying to explain to a guy (yeah, Facebook...) about how science isn't something you make up on a hunch. Going mental.

https://www.facebook.com/WearRedStandUpAndBeCounted/posts/1225381460829067 if anyone wants a crack at Robert Cheshire.

NumbGnome · « **Reply #1827 on:** September 7, 2016, 02:52:22 am »

A crack in the Larsen C ice shelf grew nearly 14 miles since March.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/larsen-c-antarctica-ice-shelf-cracking_us_57bb6e4ae4b00d9c3a19701c

NumbGnome · « **Reply #1828 on:** September 11, 2016, 04:35:38 am »

Giant storms that wreak havoc across China, Japan, Korea and the Philippines have grown 50% stronger in the past 40 years due to warming seas.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/sep/05/asian-typhoons-becoming-more-intense-study-finds

NumbGnome · « **Reply #1829 on:** September 24, 2016, 02:03:40 pm »

Nice read.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/planet-oz/2016/sep/23/how-climate-science-deniers-can-accept-so-many-impossible-things-all-at-once

theMilkman · « **Reply #1830 on:** November 5, 2016, 08:32:57 pm »

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/codqzJ4onGc" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/codqzJ4onGc</a>

zebenzui · « **Reply #1831 on:** November 6, 2016, 10:18:13 pm »

Thanks for the link, its taken up my evening.

theMilkman · « **Reply #1832 on:** November 9, 2016, 07:59:58 pm »

Quote from: zebenzui on November 6, 2016, 10:18:13 pm

Thanks for the link, its taken up my evening.

Glad to help get it out. With Trump in the white house this becomes a more urgent problem, and we can't look to our goverments for the heavy lifting.

thisyearisouryear · « **Reply #1833 on:** November 10, 2016, 06:08:57 am »

Quote from: theMilkman on November 9, 2016, 07:59:58 pm

Glad to help get it out. With Trump in the white house this becomes a more urgent problem, and we can't look to our goverments for the heavy lifting.

For me, this is the biggest risk of Trump in office. It is downright scary that the leader of the most powerful nation in the world openly denies climate change!

theMilkman · « **Reply #1834 on:** November 10, 2016, 10:01:41 pm »

http://fortune.com/2016/11/10/donald-trump-climate-change-paris-agreement/

In theory, the earliest date for withdrawal is Nov. 4, 2020, around the time of the next U.S. presidential election.

But Trump could pull out of the parent treaty of the Paris Agreement, the 1992 U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change with just a year’s notice, also voiding U.S. participation in the Paris Agreement, U.N. legal experts say.

That would be controversial, partly because the Convention was signed by former Republican president George Bush in 1992 and approved by the U.S. Senate. It would also severely strain relations with many foreign nations.

Genuinely curious about what everyone on here thinks the average person can do, knowing how urgent it is that we start doing something soon, without relying any longer on our governments to take the lead- since this election really proves that we can't. Is this the end of any serious effort to keep temperatures from rising about 2 degrees Celsius?

killer-heels · « **Reply #1835 on:** November 10, 2016, 10:05:35 pm »

Quote from: theMilkman on November 10, 2016, 10:01:41 pm

http://fortune.com/2016/11/10/donald-trump-climate-change-paris-agreement/

In theory, the earliest date for withdrawal is Nov. 4, 2020, around the time of the next U.S. presidential election.

But Trump could pull out of the parent treaty of the Paris Agreement, the 1992 U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change with just a year’s notice, also voiding U.S. participation in the Paris Agreement, U.N. legal experts say.

That would be controversial, partly because the Convention was signed by former Republican president George Bush in 1992 and approved by the U.S. Senate. It would also severely strain relations with many foreign nations.

Genuinely curious about what everyone on here thinks the average person can do, knowing how urgent it is that we start doing something soon, without relying any longer on our governments to take the lead- since this election really proves that we can't. Is this the end of any serious effort to keep temperatures from rising about 2 degrees Celsius?

Nothing. This has to be driven by government.

LallanaInPyjamas · « **Reply #1836 on:** November 14, 2016, 11:20:55 am »

Not exclusively climate change related as it obviously kills off animals and forests, too, but I just wanted to share this:

https://actions.sumofus.org/a/orangutans-might-not-survive-this?akid=24501.3474568.X-87Ph&donation_band=nondonor&rd=1&source=fwd&t=1

It really is time for PepsiCo to extend their sustainable palm oil policy to Indonesia. It's ludicrous that they haven't already done so. Who knows if it would make any difference but every little helps.

TepidT2O · « **Reply #1837 on:** November 15, 2016, 06:21:44 pm »

Mutton Geoff · « **Reply #1838 on:** November 15, 2016, 09:19:29 pm »

on a small scale i can grow crops in Nottingham we could probably struggle to grow a decade ago, on a larger scale i predict Trump will be stupid enough to wreck any climate change laws or potential laws he advocates the increase in using Fossil Fuels for godsake, the man is a danger to the future health and wellbeing of generations to come.

TepidT2O · « **Reply #1839 on:** November 15, 2016, 09:21:43 pm »

Quote from: Mutton Geoff on November 15, 2016, 09:19:29 pm

on a small scale i can grow crops in Nottingham we could probably struggle to grow a decade ago, on a larger scale i predict Trump will be stupid enough to wreck any climate change laws or potential laws he advocates the increase in using Fossil Fuels for godsake, the man is a danger to the future health and wellbeing of generations to come.

How many times have we had to tell you to stop growing marijuana Geoff.

Enough!