Topic: Hull City - Protest

[redbyrdz]

This is more like the first round of the cup. We need to build a momentum, spread the word, let people feel that they're not alone, before we're ready for a big game like united.

[annasfield]

It's simple for me. The starting question is, do you think we as supporters are being rippped off and if the answer is yes, you should support those getting off their arses and trying to organise a protest. You may have reservations about what they're doing or think a million other things but you start by supporting the action, otherwise you might have all high faultin ideas about what should be done, in practice you end up on the wrong side of supporters trying to fight back and that makes you irrelevant. Fightbacks have to start from where supporters are now, not where you want them to end up, otherwise it would be easy to sort these things.

It really is this simple.

Unless you think that the prices are reasonable I really can't see why people can't just say good luck. Every little thing is a step in the right direction. Especially if you've stopped going all together. Support the people making an effort instead of telling they're wrong.

[gingermolloy]

Fair enough, I'll leave my opinion and see how Tuesday goes. Nobody seems to want to admit though that a proper protest where people might lose out on credits etc would likely be far far more succesful.

What part of, if the regulars don't buy the tickets (with the intention of not going thus leaving the end empty and Hull deprived of money due to all buying kids tickets) then whoppers from everywhere will buy them on general sale and go the game, thus rendering said "protest" a non starter, don't you get?

[Barneylfc∗]

What part of, if the regulars don't buy the tickets (with the intention of not going thus leaving the end empty and Hull deprived of money due to all buying kids tickets) then whoppers from everywhere will buy them on general sale and go the game, thus rendering said "protest" a non starter, don't you get?

This was my issue with the protests when we were trying to get rid of Hicks and Gillette. There is just no talking to some people. The issue then was obviously trying to get those c*nts to sell up, and hit them where it hurts, in their pocket. So yeah, the easy thing to do is simply don't buy a ticket. But as you've said, that free ticket goes to someone who doesn't mind paying for it. Back then, the dilemma was give them £45 and an empty seat, or give a whopper the opportunity to give them £45 + merchandise money + concourse money. Some don't realise that actually buying the ticket and not turning up can sometimes be more productive than just simply not buying a ticket.

[ohweloveyerbaldyhead]

What part of, if the regulars don't buy the tickets (with the intention of not going thus leaving the end empty and Hull deprived of money due to all buying kids tickets) then whoppers from everywhere will buy them on general sale and go the game, thus rendering said "protest" a non starter, don't you get?

What part of whilst people are sill buying tickets the clubs couldn't care less whether you are in the ground or not?

[redprodigal]

Fair enough, I'll leave my opinion and see how Tuesday goes. Nobody seems to want to admit though that a proper protest where people might lose out on credits etc would likely be far far more succesful.

You keep on harping on about the credits but seem to forget that buying the ticket for a tenner and not going is the main aim. Unbelievably blinkered view.

[ohweloveyerbaldyhead]

You keep on harping on about the credits but seem to forget that buying the ticket for a tenner and not going is the main aim. Unbelievably blinkered view.

Not blinkered at all, I gave my credits up. Just giving my honest opinion on the subject, but as I say let's see if this makes any difference. I'll happily admit I was wrong if I am

[4pool]

Fair enough, I'll leave my opinion and see how Tuesday goes. Nobody seems to want to admit though that a proper protest where people might lose out on credits etc would likely be far far more succesful.

Don't see why you think people losing out on credits is a proper protest?

If you or I don't buy the ticket to Hull, credits or no, someone else will.

If you and I both buy the ticket to Hull , join in the protest and don't go in the ground, the empty away end gets media coverage.

Credits have little to do with it, imho. If you or i don't buy the ticket, don't get the credit, the club could care less. Someone else did buy the ticket and did get the credit. There's no pat on the back for losing out on a credit.

[redprodigal]

Not blinkered at all, I gave my credits up. Just giving my honest opinion on the subject, but as I say let's see if this makes any difference. I'll happily admit I was wrong if I am

It possibly won't make a difference because the numbers won't be large enough but youve got to start somewhere

[ohweloveyerbaldyhead]

Don't see why you think people losing out on credits is a proper protest?

If you or I don't buy the ticket to Hull, credits or no, someone else will.

If you and I both buy the ticket to Hull , join in the protest and don't go in the ground, the empty away end gets media coverage.

Credits have little to do with it, imho. If you or i don't buy the ticket, don't get the credit, the club could care less. Someone else did buy the ticket and did get the credit. There's no pat on the back for losing out on a credit.

You're looking at it on too small a scale. There's a core support of a few thousand that go to away games and 30 plus thousand for home games. If next season they ALL stopped going anfield and away ends would hardly sell out. Madness to think they would, yes in this particular instance hull might as it's a novelty chance to go but people wouldn't travel up and down the country every week who don't already. Then it would hit the club financially. That's the only way they'd listen.

[4pool]

You're looking at it on too small a scale. There's a core support of a few thousand that go to away games and 30 plus thousand for home games. If next season they ALL stopped going anfield and away ends would hardly sell out. Madness to think they would, yes in this particular instance hull might as it's a novelty chance to go but people wouldn't travel up and down the country every week who don't already. Then it would hit the club financially. That's the only way they'd listen.

I think you underestimate things.

I was at Arsenal and Blackburn away thanks to mates getting me a spare, face value. ( probably from someone wanting to keep their credits up but from my perspective, I didn't care coming from the USA)

I met a few people from China trying to put up a banner at Blackburn. never asked how they got their tickets.

There are always those within the UK who give up going to aways because they can't get tickets. There are those coming to the UK from far away places who will scrounge how they can to get tickets.

The club could put them on general sale and they will be snapped up. Sadly this could give touts more chances at getting tickets but that's another issue.

To think the demand will dry up because the usual suspects don't go as a protest doesn't make sense to me.

[Jay_Mc]

If Hull away doesn't work, kiss goodbye to cheaper tickets ever. It really is that simple.

Liverpool supporters are seen, nationally, as leading the way on ticket price campaigning. If we can't do this, then away ticket price caps and discussions with LFC on lowering prices are pointless as they will see that people will just keep paying and going and they will question how much support the campaign has.

[4pool]

Good luck with it.

[MerseyParadise]

we should all turn up at the next LFC ladies game at widnes that's televised on BT sport... the ground holds 13,000 an its pay on the door... flags, banners the lot. Plus im a widnes lad and our club could do with the gate recipts that would be shared

[Alan_X]

If Hull away doesn't work, kiss goodbye to cheaper tickets ever. It really is that simple.

Liverpool supporters are seen, nationally, as leading the way on ticket price campaigning. If we can't do this, then away ticket price caps and discussions with LFC on lowering prices are pointless as they will see that people will just keep paying and going and they will question how much support the campaign has.

Exactly. It's not about getting on the front page of the national press, or lead item on the news.  The audience for the protest is made up of the owners of Hull and the owners of LFC.   

Good luck with the protest. How it's 100% or as close as you can get. 

[TSC]

Hopefully the empty seats are apparent and maybe force the decision makers re ticketing and pricing to review policies, etc.  Only point I would make relates to the comments around how £48 or whatever it is is a disgrace - and it is in comparison to prices for away tickets at the same ground for the other couple of teams mentioned as examples.  But the prices are on a par with Anfield.  In fact our CL tickets this season were up to £59.  Two wrongs don't make a right of course but it's a bit ironic how we vilify some opposition team when we charge our own supporters the same or more?

[Barneylfc∗]

Hopefully the empty seats are apparent and maybe force the decision makers re ticketing and pricing to review policies, etc.  Only point I would make relates to the comments around how £48 or whatever it is is a disgrace - and it is in comparison to prices for away tickets at the same ground for the other couple of teams mentioned as examples.  But the prices are on a par with Anfield.  In fact our CL tickets this season were up to £59.  Two wrongs don't make a right of course but it's a bit ironic how we vilify some opposition team when we charge our own supporters the same or more?

It's not only the cost of the ticket, it's the increase in price compared to Stoke and Everton. I think Stoke were charged £16, and Everton £35 maybe? It's disgusting.

[GinKop]

Really hope this has the desired impact.

Sunday has left me completely disillusioned about our supporter base. The away fans have been the standard bearers, the culture setters and the more who are priced out, the worse it's going to get.

I wasn't able to go on Sunday but heard first hand had from a few people who I trust completely. Sounded like the beginning of the end for them.

[TheTeflonJohn]

I wish people would stop fucking whingeing and just get behind an decent idea for a change. I don`t see any other protests being organised, I don`t see any other LFC groups setting up something to give the money men something to think about.

[annasfield]

Hopefully the empty seats are apparent and maybe force the decision makers re ticketing and pricing to review policies, etc.  Only point I would make relates to the comments around how £48 or whatever it is is a disgrace - and it is in comparison to prices for away tickets at the same ground for the other couple of teams mentioned as examples.  But the prices are on a par with Anfield.  In fact our CL tickets this season were up to £59.  Two wrongs don't make a right of course but it's a bit ironic how we vilify some opposition team when we charge our own supporters the same or more?

Have you not seen the protests at Anfield?

[Hightown Phil]

Fair enough, I'll leave my opinion and see how Tuesday goes. Nobody seems to want to admit though that a proper protest where people might lose out on credits etc would likely be far far more succesful.

Complete the following sentence. I'll leave you with options A and B.

If I don't buy my ticket in tomorrow morning's sale. . .

A) Someone else will buy it instead, probably for £50.
B) No one will buy it and the seat will remain empty.

You got it yet?

(The credit is irrelevant to me, I'd have 18 if I didn't buy one which would sort me for every game next season)

[kcbworth]

Complete the following sentence. I'll leave you with options A and B.

If I don't buy my ticket in tomorrow morning's sale. . .

A) Someone else will buy it instead, probably for £50.
B) No one will buy it and the seat will remain empty.

You got it yet?

(The credit is irrelevant to me, I'd have 18 if I didn't buy one which would sort me for every game next season)

Wishful thinking, but I reckon you'd get most of these people onside if the credits went to people stuck on 3 or 4 credits but they still boycotted.

[campioni]

Some utterly depressing opinions on this.

Our fans who go to the majority of aways are the ones who are most affected by the ridiculous ticket prices. On top of their season tickets they are forking out over £40 for each away ticket. For that reason, these people have a better understanding of the need to reduce ticket prices rather than someone who goes to a few matches a season and are therefore more likely to participate in a protest.

The Hull game presents an opportunity to test the waters. As said above, if we as a fanbase can't do this successfully there is little hope we could get people to stay away from a massive televised game like chelsea / united away. As for boycotting home games, that is a long way off and in my opinion will only ever happen if momentum is built by the hardcore doing it at away games first.

I don't think the lads who came up with this idea are stupid enough to think that this one protest will change the minds of the premier league clubs on ticket pricing but it could be an important first step. If it works, expect there to be more planned, possibly for bigger games on a larger scale.

I'm a season ticket holder with 18 credits. I'll be buying a £10 ticket tomorrow. Not to keep the credit, but to make sure that another seat sits empty. I seriously hope everyone who is eligible does the same.

[Jake]

How anybody thinks buying a £10 ticket to keep a whopper from buying a £50 one is a bad thing escapes me.

Fully behind this protest.

[Dhlfc92]

I heard a fella at wembley other day speaking about this, his view was different. He was saying, why hull? Yes it's £50 a ticket but wasn't Norwich a year ago Easter Sunday 12pm kick off meaning lads had to leave at 4-5am to drive down there and ticket prices that day were £40-45. The fella then went onto say why didn't they boycott that? Because we was in a title race? Will they boycott QPR at home and Chelsea away?? ... I'm with the boycott for hull but his points had me thinking.

[scouse and proud plc.]

I had no intention of going whatsoever anyway, but I'll be buying two if it goes low enough to stop anyone else getting in on them.

[BHB]

Had you thinking about how people can pick fault and create an argument over everything?

It's pretty simple:

1. No protest / boycott was called for last season, or for any other game this season.
2. Hull has been chosen as there are £10 kids tickets available, making it the cheapest way for us to protest
3. It's a Tuesday night game away from home that means nothing, so easy to give it a miss.

Pick the battles you can win.

If we can't get over 500 of the regulars to support this action and spend £10 to miss a game to make a point, then we might as well all pack it in right now, and roll over to have our bellies tickled by every tinpot club that want to raise their prices through the roof with the Liverpool fans come to town.

I've got the full 19 credits and have been to the majority of away games for the past 15 year or so. I'll be buying 3 x £10 tickets in the morning to ensure they go unused.

If you can't do the same, then never moan about ticket prices again - you'll have just given up at the first stage of the fight.

Think about that instead.

[Grobbelrevell]

I truly can't understand anyone not supporting this. Not unless you think that ticket pricing structures are reasonable, that is.

I'm not eligible for away tickets, but if I was i'd be buying one and not going. What I can do though, is spread the word, so i'll do that instead.

[paulsheridan08]

here is what prices have been this season for our away games (not including the prem initiative money) going from the most expensive to cheapest

adult prices

arsenal  - £64
man city - £55-57
west ham  - £55
Qpr  - £50-55
man utd - £45-55
Tottenham - £48-54
hull  - £50
everton - £41-46
Swansea - £45
Newcastle  - £44
aston villa  - £43
Southampton - £42
burnley  - £40
palace  - £40
Leicester - £40
west brom - £39
sunderland  - £34

young adult/student

Qpr - £45-50
man city  - £46-48
man utd  - £36-43
Southampton - £37
Newcastle - £36
Leicester - £35
villa - £35
hull - £30
palace - £26
burnley  - £25
Swansea - £22.50
west brom - £20
arsenal  - N/A
everton - N/A
sunderland  - N/A
Tottenham - N/A
west ham - N/A

junior

man city - £33-35
west ham - £32
Tottenham  - £25-28
Southampton - £25
Leicester  - £25
Qpr - £22-25
arsenal - £24
Newcastle  - £23
everton - £20.50-23
Swansea  - £22.50
aston villa - £21
palace - £20
burnley - £18
man utd - £18
west brom - £15
sunderland - £12
hull - £12

[Redman0151]

^ That Hull one really is a disgrace, don't even have the shit excuse of it being London

[paulsheridan08]

^ That Hull one really is a disgrace, don't even have the shit excuse of it being London

sunderland are the example to set.

[Grobbelrevell]

here is what prices have been this season for our away games (not including the prem initiative money) going from the most expensive to cheapest

Now compare them to the prices being charged for supporters of Burnley, Leicester, WBA etc etc.

It's a disgrace. There really is no other way of decribing it.

[jason67]

How anybody thinks buying a £10 ticket to keep a whopper from buying a £50 one is a bad thing escapes me.

Fully behind this protest.

I agree.

Hopefully it will be noticed by the media and go on from there.

Good luck.

[Alf Garnett]

Now compare them to the prices being charged for supporters of Burnley, Leicester, WBA etc etc.

It's a disgrace. There really is no other way of decribing it.

Would you rather pay Hull's home prices than ours?

A-£40
B-£35
C-£16

LFC mid price
A-£52
B-£47
C-£43

[Mutton Geoff]

We need to change things root and branch in Football and while i support any protest it is only good if it is effective, empty seats are effective but you need all of them to be empty to succeed with this protest. I hope you achieve that but if you don't it is a bit like pissing in the wind, in my opinion this needs a nationwide coordinated campaign !

Not likely but if all like minded fans picked just one weekend when all away fans did not travel would that do more than any well meant individual protests which are quickly ignored by the Owners, the Premier, the FA and the Media.,

[Jay_Mc]

Hopefully the empty seats are apparent and maybe force the decision makers re ticketing and pricing to review policies, etc.  Only point I would make relates to the comments around how £48 or whatever it is is a disgrace - and it is in comparison to prices for away tickets at the same ground for the other couple of teams mentioned as examples.  But the prices are on a par with Anfield.  In fact our CL tickets this season were up to £59.  Two wrongs don't make a right of course but it's a bit ironic how we vilify some opposition team when we charge our own supporters the same or more?

We (Spirit Of Shankly) and Spion Kop 1906 have protested at Anfield, met the club when they introduced tiered pricing, and are on the Ticket Working Group discussing prices at Anfield.

What we've said to clubs coming to Anfield is - you are right, it is too expensive. We agree. So if you turn up and want to do something about it, we will support it. Hence an attempted banner across the divide in the derby, one across the divide versus City. There would have been stuff at Newcastle only it was the only game at home around the Hillsborough anniversary

[rhylred]

Have put it on the ticket & travel thread Denbighshire supporters club will not be travelling to this game,1st game I & the other lads have missed in a few years....

[Graham Smith]

London, Leicester and North Wales supporters coaches have decided to support the protest.

It is building.

[stevo7]

As a lapsed SOS member I've been critical of SOS's direction in that they have seemed to have focused on STH & Away ticketing issues, and nothing for members. But I urge all to support this 100%. We need to drive down prices for all fans and we have to start somewhere.

[kavah]

Have put it on the ticket & travel thread Denbighshire supporters club will not be travelling to this game,1st game I & the other lads have missed in a few years....

Well in mate, that is an immense gesture. Thanks to you and all the regulars who are the heartbeat of our club

London, Leicester and North Wales supporters coaches have decided to support the protest.

It is building.

Excellent