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« Reply #45880 on: August 7, 2017, 09:42:58 am »
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« Reply #45881 on: August 7, 2017, 10:01:35 am »
I really didn't want to get into it. The result of me posting about how strongly I dislike this film and the resulting debate because of it, that is. I really couldn't be arsed with the back-and-forth about a film that I felt like quitting halfway through because of how monotonous and boring it was, not least because of an extreme lack of context, character development, and...well...any cohesive elements to any screenplay designed to tell a story. What I mean by that is, if you somehow managed to miss the first minute or two, or have no idea about the actual history of Dunkirk, then you're going to be left feeling very, very confused due to the way Nolan structured and edited this film, which is ridiculous and serves no purpose to the story. This is a story afterall, and a pretty important one in modern history. I had many an issue with it and the way it told that story.

I went into the film knowing literally nothing about it, save for the actual events. I'd heard it was supposed to be great and that was it. In fact, when I was going to watch the latest Apes film the other week, I remarked about wanting to go see it having seen the poster for it, so it obviously interested me. I went to see it with zero expectations at all, and about 20 minutes in, I got the same feeling I got when watching Prometheus. The feeling of expecting it to somehow improve as the film went on, and then it was over.

Anyway, I'm not alone. At least as far as some critics go.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/filmblog/2017/jul/26/bloodless-boring-empty-christopher-nolan-dunkirk-left-me-cold

That pretty much says a lot of things I felt were wrong with the film, but I have a few other gripes with it that aren't even mentioned.
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The film for me was excellent because it was from the point of view of a group of specific individuals who probably had no idea what was going on most of the time. You feel truly immersed in their world. I liked the fact that we got to see this instead of having the outsider view and having everything explained to us through full scale descriptions and filming the usual swathes of troops, planes and ships. Nolan could have easily gone for the large battle scenes or perhaps some scenes showing the politicians making decisions and giving orders but the story was purely from the views of a few individuals. I much preferred this small-scale and tense approach, which you call boring, but which I would call suspenseful and dramatic. For me, it is a different take on a war where you are truly feeling what a single soldier went through. And Nolan managed to do this without showing one German.
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Re: The RAWK Film Thread
« Reply #45882 on: August 7, 2017, 12:06:18 pm »
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I'm not sure she's even that :/ Nothing strictly against her...just never seen anything in her

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« Reply #45883 on: August 7, 2017, 12:08:05 pm »
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« Reply #45884 on: August 7, 2017, 01:32:56 pm »
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Re: The RAWK Film Thread
« Reply #45885 on: August 7, 2017, 01:33:23 pm »
https://www.theguardian.com/film/filmblog/2017/jul/26/bloodless-boring-empty-christopher-nolan-dunkirk-left-me-cold

I don't understand how you can criticise the film for being bloodless. To me, Nolan managed to portray the terror and anguish at Dunkirk without gory-fying it, which should be applauded really. We didn't need to see intestines lying on floor ala Saving Private Ryan.
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« Reply #45886 on: August 7, 2017, 01:48:09 pm »
I don't understand how you can criticise the film for being bloodless. To me, Nolan managed to portray the terror and anguish at Dunkirk without gory-fying it, which should be applauded really. We didn't need to see intestines lying on floor ala Saving Private Ryan.

There should have been some though - doesn't have to be over the top but it was a bit 'robot soldiers spill no blood'.
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« Reply #45887 on: August 7, 2017, 03:45:34 pm »
Has anyone read any books surrounding film?

I watched Drive and came across concepts such as "neo-noir", and whilst I found out what it's related to after a quick wiki-search, I'd really like to find more related concepts to expand my knowledge around the area. Thanks.

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« Reply #45888 on: August 7, 2017, 05:18:26 pm »
Has anyone read any books surrounding film?

I watched Drive and came across concepts such as "neo-noir", and whilst I found out what it's related to after a quick wiki-search, I'd really like to find more related concepts to expand my knowledge around the area. Thanks.

Try 'Easy Riders, Raging Bulls' by Peter Siskind......all about the Hollywood renaissance in the 1970's and the rise of the young buck directors - Scorcese, De Palma, Altman et al....who were all influenced by the original 'noir' films and directors...and who's styles subsequently influenced later film makers....
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« Reply #45889 on: August 7, 2017, 06:00:16 pm »
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« Reply #45890 on: August 7, 2017, 06:07:05 pm »
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« Reply #45891 on: August 7, 2017, 07:15:49 pm »
Try 'Easy Riders, Raging Bulls' by Peter Siskind......all about the Hollywood renaissance in the 1970's and the rise of the young buck directors - Scorcese, De Palma, Altman et al....who were all influenced by the original 'noir' films and directors...and who's styles subsequently influenced later film makers....
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« Reply #45892 on: August 7, 2017, 08:05:54 pm »
The film for me was excellent because it was from the point of view of a group of specific individuals who probably had no idea what was going on most of the time. You feel truly immersed in their world. I liked the fact that we got to see this instead of having the outsider view and having everything explained to us through full scale descriptions and filming the usual swathes of troops, planes and ships. Nolan could have easily gone for the large battle scenes or perhaps some scenes showing the politicians making decisions and giving orders but the story was purely from the views of a few individuals. I much preferred this small-scale and tense approach, which you call boring, but which I would call suspenseful and dramatic. For me, it is a different take on a war where you are truly feeling what a single soldier went through. And Nolan managed to do this without showing one German.
I really don't like comparing apples to oranges, or a specific film to another, but in this case I really have no choice. Saving Private Ryan - yes, obvious and easy choice here, but for all of Nolan's talk of Dunkirk being "like VR" which is absolute bollocks, and him trying to be David Cameron, it was anything but immersive for me because of the terrible lack of anything to latch onto as a viewer, figuratively, contextually, or character wise. I couldn't give a bollocks about any one of the soldiers because of that. They'd no names. All they were were faces. Nothing to connect to at all. Now, going back to Private Ryan, for example, character wise, it wasn't the best film, but it had little interludes throughout the film that game a break from the action sequences, and allowed the viewer to take a breather and get to know some of the characters, at least a little. What that lead to was a scene that had far more impact than the opening 15 minutes of that film (as incredible as that was) and resonated far more than anything that what Nolan was even trying to hint at in a full hours and 30 minutes or so. The scene I'm on about is when Wade gets wounded and eventually dies in the arms of his squadmates. It felt more real and impactful because of the intimate nature of it. Why? Because you felt bonded with the soldiers. Nothing immerses you more in a film than feeling connection with the characters and having a compelling story behind them. Dunkirk had none of that save for a man on a boat with his two sons. Fascinating stuff.

But let's talk about some of the contrived stuff to attempt to create some tension. The scene where
Spoiler
Harry Styles and the boys (I don't recall any of them mentioning their names, and if they did, I didn't care) decide to take refuge in a boat and wait for the tide to come in. Queue unrealistic cartoon shenanigans, as a squad of unseen German troops (we don't even know if it was because we never seen the fuckers once in the entire film) inexplicably decide to take some target practice at the boat, thus putting some lovely holes in it for it to fill with water, creating some tension and drama for us to feel fear for the unnamed soldiers. Yes, a German unit that has somehow managed to infiltrate (no doubt it happened to some degree) the perimeter of stationed French Algerian, Belgian and British rearguard, suddenly thinks that taking a few shots at a boat, for target practice, in enemy territory, is a great idea? What a load of contrived bollocks. See, that's the problem with a lack of character development or any real sense of context or narrative. When you do try to fill your film with stuff to keep the viewer interested, it falls to bits when you add ridiculous scenarios like that, stuff that wouldn't be out of place on the A-Team. Tune in next week to see if BA and Hannibal get out of this one.
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Nolan might get away with that sort of thing with Batman, or in a sci-fi like Inception, but for a supposed historically accurate and realistic accounting of a real life event? No. Sorry, but no.

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Re: The RAWK Film Thread
« Reply #45893 on: August 7, 2017, 08:06:36 pm »
Try 'Easy Riders, Raging Bulls' by Peter Siskind......all about the Hollywood renaissance in the 1970's and the rise of the young buck directors - Scorcese, De Palma, Altman et al....who were all influenced by the original 'noir' films and directors...and who's styles subsequently influenced later film makers....

I'd definitely recommend that book as well, such an interesting period in film history.
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Re: The RAWK Film Thread
« Reply #45894 on: August 7, 2017, 08:31:40 pm »
Good recommendation on a book there, I'll also add the brilliant 'Film History - an introduction' by Thompson and Bordwell. 750 pages of movie yumness!

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« Reply #45895 on: August 7, 2017, 09:55:34 pm »
I really don't like comparing apples to oranges, or a specific film to another, but in this case I really have no choice. Saving Private Ryan - yes, obvious and easy choice here, but for all of Nolan's talk of Dunkirk being "like VR" which is absolute bollocks, and him trying to be David Cameron, it was anything but immersive for me because of the terrible lack of anything to latch onto as a viewer, figuratively, contextually, or character wise. I couldn't give a bollocks about any one of the soldiers because of that. They'd no names. All they were were faces. Nothing to connect to at all. Now, going back to Private Ryan, for example, character wise, it wasn't the best film, but it had little interludes throughout the film that game a break from the action sequences, and allowed the viewer to take a breather and get to know some of the characters, at least a little. What that lead to was a scene that had far more impact than the opening 15 minutes of that film (as incredible as that was) and resonated far more than anything that what Nolan was even trying to hint at in a full hours and 30 minutes or so. The scene I'm on about is when Wade gets wounded and eventually dies in the arms of his squadmates. It felt more real and impactful because of the intimate nature of it. Why? Because you felt bonded with the soldiers. Nothing immerses you more in a film than feeling connection with the characters and having a compelling story behind them. Dunkirk had none of that save for a man on a boat with his two sons. Fascinating stuff.

But let's talk about some of the contrived stuff to attempt to create some tension. The scene where
Spoiler
Harry Styles and the boys (I don't recall any of them mentioning their names, and if they did, I didn't care) decide to take refuge in a boat and wait for the tide to come in. Queue unrealistic cartoon shenanigans, as a squad of unseen German troops (we don't even know if it was because we never seen the fuckers once in the entire film) inexplicably decide to take some target practice at the boat, thus putting some lovely holes in it for it to fill with water, creating some tension and drama for us to feel fear for the unnamed soldiers. Yes, a German unit that has somehow managed to infiltrate (no doubt it happened to some degree) the perimeter of stationed French Algerian, Belgian and British rearguard, suddenly thinks that taking a few shots at a boat, for target practice, in enemy territory, is a great idea? What a load of contrived bollocks. See, that's the problem with a lack of character development or any real sense of context or narrative. When you do try to fill your film with stuff to keep the viewer interested, it falls to bits when you add ridiculous scenarios like that, stuff that wouldn't be out of place on the A-Team. Tune in next week to see if BA and Hannibal get out of this one.
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Nolan might get away with that sort of thing with Batman, or in a sci-fi like Inception, but for a supposed historically accurate and realistic accounting of a real life event? No. Sorry, but no.

Whilst the VR comment is a bit on the nose, I don't think it can be called bollox if you're saying the characterisation is non-existent. It's a stretch but if we're talking apples to giraffes then Half Life doesn't have much in the way of characterisation but it's still tense and immersive because there's plenty to latch onto contextually.

I do completely understand your point of view and there will be many who feel like this. For me I found it tense and exhausting, I've come to like it more and more since leaving the cinema. TDKR and Interstellar were a mess but Dunkirk nailed it for me.
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Re: The RAWK Film Thread
« Reply #45896 on: August 7, 2017, 11:19:17 pm »
I must be the only one that likes Interstellar on here!

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« Reply #45897 on: August 8, 2017, 12:44:02 am »
Rocky VI - Mason Dixon's two corporate stooges say something about Dixon vs. Rocky in his prime. Anyone got a clue about what it is?

You'll have to be more specific
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« Reply #45898 on: August 8, 2017, 01:21:33 am »
Good recommendation on a book there, I'll also add the brilliant 'Film History - an introduction' by Thompson and Bordwell. 750 pages of movie yumness!



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« Reply #45899 on: August 8, 2017, 06:12:35 pm »
I must be the only one that likes Interstellar on here!

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I liked it, too. Not sure how or why Nolan was trying to be David Cameron, though? Is there a pig involved?
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« Reply #45900 on: August 8, 2017, 06:59:50 pm »
You'll have to be more specific
So they're marketing this fight between Rocky and Dixon in Rocky's restaurant. In reference to the simulated fight, after Rocky leaves, they say something about Rocky vs. Dixon in his prime.

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« Reply #45901 on: August 8, 2017, 11:05:54 pm »
So they're marketing this fight between Rocky and Dixon in Rocky's restaurant. In reference to the simulated fight, after Rocky leaves, they say something about Rocky vs. Dixon in his prime.

Well Rocky's prime was the 70s/80s so Rocky in his prime vs Dixon in his prime is a dream match, sort of like Tyson/Ali. They use the simulator to make it happen.
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« Reply #45902 on: August 8, 2017, 11:31:17 pm »
Just saw Dunkirk. Thought it was beautifully filmed, compelling, etc. The air combat scenes were realistic and much better than the standard cgi ww2 crap. I would predict multiple oscar nominations, at least.

Took my 12 year old son, he thought it was horribly confusing and boring. I can see the controversy. It is definitely not an action movie.
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« Reply #45903 on: August 9, 2017, 02:23:56 am »
I liked it, too. Not sure how or why Nolan was trying to be David Cameron, though? Is there a pig involved?
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« Reply #45904 on: August 9, 2017, 02:00:52 pm »
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« Reply #45905 on: August 9, 2017, 02:55:59 pm »
On the subject of Dunkirk (which I saw a few days ago) - I must be the only person in the world who doesn't think Mark Rylance is the incredible actor everyone makes him out to be.  Granted I've only seen him in this and Bridge of Spies, but......I just don't think he's very good.  He just delivers his lines in a really wooden, robotic way - like he's reading them from a page.  You lot are going to tell me i'm wrong  ;D So what else has he been in that will change my mind?

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« Reply #45906 on: August 9, 2017, 05:35:40 pm »
I really don't like comparing apples to oranges, or a specific film to another, but in this case I really have no choice. Saving Private Ryan - yes, obvious and easy choice here, but for all of Nolan's talk of Dunkirk being "like VR" which is absolute bollocks, and him trying to be David Cameron, it was anything but immersive for me because of the terrible lack of anything to latch onto as a viewer, figuratively, contextually, or character wise. I couldn't give a bollocks about any one of the soldiers because of that. They'd no names. All they were were faces. Nothing to connect to at all. Now, going back to Private Ryan, for example, character wise, it wasn't the best film, but it had little interludes throughout the film that game a break from the action sequences, and allowed the viewer to take a breather and get to know some of the characters, at least a little. What that lead to was a scene that had far more impact than the opening 15 minutes of that film (as incredible as that was) and resonated far more than anything that what Nolan was even trying to hint at in a full hours and 30 minutes or so. The scene I'm on about is when Wade gets wounded and eventually dies in the arms of his squadmates. It felt more real and impactful because of the intimate nature of it. Why? Because you felt bonded with the soldiers. Nothing immerses you more in a film than feeling connection with the characters and having a compelling story behind them. Dunkirk had none of that save for a man on a boat with his two sons. Fascinating stuff.

But let's talk about some of the contrived stuff to attempt to create some tension. The scene where
Spoiler
Harry Styles and the boys (I don't recall any of them mentioning their names, and if they did, I didn't care) decide to take refuge in a boat and wait for the tide to come in. Queue unrealistic cartoon shenanigans, as a squad of unseen German troops (we don't even know if it was because we never seen the fuckers once in the entire film) inexplicably decide to take some target practice at the boat, thus putting some lovely holes in it for it to fill with water, creating some tension and drama for us to feel fear for the unnamed soldiers. Yes, a German unit that has somehow managed to infiltrate (no doubt it happened to some degree) the perimeter of stationed French Algerian, Belgian and British rearguard, suddenly thinks that taking a few shots at a boat, for target practice, in enemy territory, is a great idea? What a load of contrived bollocks. See, that's the problem with a lack of character development or any real sense of context or narrative. When you do try to fill your film with stuff to keep the viewer interested, it falls to bits when you add ridiculous scenarios like that, stuff that wouldn't be out of place on the A-Team. Tune in next week to see if BA and Hannibal get out of this one.
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Nolan might get away with that sort of thing with Batman, or in a sci-fi like Inception, but for a supposed historically accurate and realistic accounting of a real life event? No. Sorry, but no.
Damn, I'm going to see it literally in an hour after waiting for 2 weeks(couldn't go) and seeing IMDB giving it a very high 8.5 and then I see this discussion. :/   

I didn't see the spoilers, I meant about the general feel of the movie. I expected it to be awesome.  Guess I'll find out in a couple of hours.
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« Reply #45907 on: August 10, 2017, 01:47:48 am »
Damn, I'm going to see it literally in an hour after waiting for 2 weeks(couldn't go) and seeing IMDB giving it a very high 8.5 and then I see this discussion. :/   

I didn't see the spoilers, I meant about the general feel of the movie. I expected it to be awesome.  Guess I'll find out in a couple of hours.
You might like it, though. I struggled to get anything from it throughout. If only Nolan could direct a good action sequence. Seems to be his achilles heel in all his films. If he'd focused more on the rearguard battle of Dunkirk, then it could have been good. Why he omitted that is beyond me.

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« Reply #45908 on: August 10, 2017, 09:41:05 am »
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« Reply #45909 on: August 10, 2017, 09:43:36 pm »
Rocky VI - Mason Dixon's two corporate stooges say something about Dixon vs. Rocky in his prime. Anyone got a clue about what it is?

They mean if Rocky in his prime met Dixon, Rocky would have battered him.

Think Sly clarifies it on one of the commentary tracks. Always confused me too that conversation.
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« Reply #45910 on: August 11, 2017, 12:52:28 pm »
Haha. I had to go back and check to see if I'd actually written that. How in the fuck...

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Re: The RAWK Film Thread
« Reply #45911 on: August 11, 2017, 01:41:02 pm »
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Re: The RAWK Film Thread
« Reply #45912 on: August 13, 2017, 10:19:45 pm »
Watched 'The Circle'.

One of the worst films I have seen.

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« Reply #45913 on: August 13, 2017, 10:59:06 pm »
Watched 'The Circle'.

One of the worst films I have seen.

You are easily displeased though...

Sorry dude.  8)
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« Reply #45914 on: August 13, 2017, 11:02:28 pm »
And speaking of displeasure - there is some utter shite floating about at the moment...

God almighty...

Since IMDB boards have been shut-down there really is no way of getting a consensus on films. I watched a film the other day... I remember watching the opening credits and waking up to the end credits... I can't even remember what film it was, but it was a 'big' film.

Hasn't Michael Shannon done anything good of late? Lionel Messi of the acting world.
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Re: The RAWK Film Thread
« Reply #45915 on: August 14, 2017, 12:09:48 am »
Only just got round to seeing Dunkirk, and like most people, I loved it.

Some of my favourite parts about the film are actually the negatives I've seen brought up on the last page or so of this thread. The lack of any gore or Germans was a welcome change, as were the minimalist dogfights. It all makes you zone in on the characters themselves. Characters which were, for me, all the better for having no backstory, no names and basically no dialogue. None of them are "Private Ryan" in their uniqueness, the film could just have easily focused on any other of the thousands involved because there is no narrative or mission beyond the most important, the one that's repeated throughout - survival.

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Re: The RAWK Film Thread
« Reply #45916 on: August 14, 2017, 12:10:34 am »
Since IMDB boards have been shut-down there really is no way of getting a consensus on films. I watched a film the other day... I remember watching the opening credits and waking up to the end credits... I can't even remember what film it was, but it was a 'big' film.
Is there any chance those boards will be brought back? Still can't believe they got rid of them. I've barely used IMDB since.

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Re: The RAWK Film Thread
« Reply #45917 on: August 14, 2017, 12:12:32 am »
On a wet Bank Holiday Sunday evening my 3 girls have me watching Beauty and the Beast.

But she can ring my Belle  ;D



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Re: The RAWK Film Thread
« Reply #45918 on: August 14, 2017, 12:14:06 am »
Is there any chance those boards will be brought back? Still can't believe they got rid of them. I've barely used IMDB since.

It's like when the BBC got rid of the football boards. Used to love winding up Leeds fans on there.

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Re: The RAWK Film Thread
« Reply #45919 on: August 14, 2017, 12:17:09 am »
Watched 'The Circle'.

One of the worst films I have seen.

I enjoyed it.
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