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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #200 on: March 2, 2011, 08:28:05 pm »
I reckon you'll just have to wait until April to find out, shouldn't be hard you've had to wait 15 years already haha.  I'd Imagine you should be one of the first offered anything if theres anything to offer.  I'm Book 6 myself.
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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #201 on: March 2, 2011, 08:28:14 pm »
It's going to be to spec up whether a new/extended stadium is viable.
There is no point having 30,000 names if only 5,000 will take up the offer.
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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #202 on: March 2, 2011, 08:29:57 pm »
I did get that, I still think it's a nice little way of getting some cash, with very little to return. If you read my other post above, with a rate of about 150 ST/year being handed over (through the club), 25.000 still means you'll have no chance of getting one within your lifetime.

I have my doubts that even with a new/expanded ground we'll see a massive increase in STs. Simply because the membership scheme makes the club more money. STH get a discount, members pay full price + membership + booking fees.

Have to admit I'm surprised how many people think nothing of paying a fiver for something they have very little chance of getting.

I think it's due to there maybe being an outside chance of eventually getting one, and it's only a fiver. I had a ton on us -2 goals away to Prague as for some reason felt confident we were going to win comfortably, couldn't have been further from what actually happened, not sure we even had 3 shots! Therefore paying 5 quid doesn't really mean a lot.

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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #203 on: March 2, 2011, 08:36:40 pm »
Yeah I know, fingers crossed. I have treasured that bit of paper I got back from LFC all that time ago, and its been in my works safe for the last 6 years.
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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #204 on: March 2, 2011, 08:43:39 pm »
It's going to be to spec up whether a new/extended stadium is viable.There is no point having 30,000 names if only 5,000 will take up the offer.Before you build something you have to know it will be filled, this isn't Field of Dreams.
I agree.The voice of the people is the voice of God.At least this represents a scientific way of approaching things.

My guess is that we will comfortably find an extra 10,000 people willing to take a season ticket, 4000 to pay for premium seats/hospitality, the extra matchday  sales of 1500 become incidental to fill a 60k stadium.
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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #205 on: March 2, 2011, 09:10:27 pm »
slightly off topic but can you still get a fan card or do you have to buy a membership card now?

if you can still get them has anyone got a link

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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #206 on: March 2, 2011, 09:10:46 pm »
I did get that, I still think it's a nice little way of getting some cash, with very little to return. If you read my other post above, with a rate of about 150 ST/year being handed over (through the club), 25.000 still means you'll have no chance of getting one within your lifetime.

I have my doubts that even with a new/expanded ground we'll see a massive increase in STs. Simply because the membership scheme makes the club more money. STH get a discount, members pay full price + membership + booking fees.

Have to admit I'm surprised how many people think nothing of paying a fiver for something they have very little chance of getting.

It is clearly being done with an eye to ground redevelopment.  It also seems like a shit way to get cash in all honesty.  The data is so old I doubt that they will get more than 5000 registrants from the initial 25,000. Which means that they will net 25,000. Subtract the costs of processing the payments, mailing 25,000 people and maintaining the new list and you are left with sod all. 

If you wanted to make money then you let everyone register, the more recent list joiners are far more likely to pay up, they can probably be contacted electronically, hell you could almost do it for next to nothing on a transactional website.  Yet, because those people may have little chance of getting a ticket then they have not done that.  Clearly the motive here is not profit.
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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #207 on: March 2, 2011, 09:22:50 pm »
I told my dad about this announcement and he said he might get a letter because he's been on the list 15 plus years he got the book reference but he can't find that and also said he never got any other letters from the TO telling him if he's still on the list and he can't find the original as we moved houses so what should he do?

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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #208 on: March 2, 2011, 09:28:15 pm »
It is clearly being done with an eye to ground redevelopment.  It also seems like a shit way to get cash in all honesty.  The data is so old I doubt that they will get more than 5000 registrants from the initial 25,000. Which means that they will net 25,000. Subtract the costs of processing the payments, mailing 25,000 people and maintaining the new list and you are left with sod all. 

If you wanted to make money then you let everyone register, the more recent list joiners are far more likely to pay up, they can probably be contacted electronically, hell you could almost do it for next to nothing on a transactional website.  Yet, because those people may have little chance of getting a ticket then they have not done that.  Clearly the motive here is not profit.
Fair comment. But I suspect that you will find that the machine grinds into action once the raw material has been sifted.

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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #209 on: March 2, 2011, 09:29:07 pm »
Been on the list since 2002, kind of gave up ever hearing anything from them but it looks like they are finally going to try and sort out some of the mess the list is in.

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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #210 on: March 2, 2011, 09:59:48 pm »
Fair comment. But I suspect that you will find that the machine grinds into action once the raw material has been sifted.

Once the scale of the demand is determined, demand led selling will follow.

I think that they, rightly, will want to get everyone on the list enrolled in the membership programme for sure. 
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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #211 on: March 2, 2011, 10:00:59 pm »
I think all the season tickets should be up for grabs each season in a lottery. That's the only way to stop them being passed by season ticket holders to their mates or lent or rented out.

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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #212 on: March 2, 2011, 10:03:40 pm »
I think all the season tickets should be up for grabs each season in a lottery. That's the only way to stop them being passed by season ticket holders to their mates or lent or rented out.

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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #213 on: March 2, 2011, 10:11:29 pm »
I've got my letter from the club here from when I applied - September 2003. The reference, for anyone who is interested, says I am in Book 10, Page 211.

It looks like I will be in that first 25,000 but I will be near the bottom of that list. I will certainly be paying the fiver to stay on it, and I'm pleased that they're making steps towards sorting it out. I've said for ages there should be a charge to be on the list, and maybe they will increase this with the price being knocked off a ST if you do ever get one.

For me, the reason I want a ST isn't really becuase it guarantees me a ticket for every home game. I'm a member and I don't miss a home game as it is, I get tickets for every game pretty easily. The reason I want one is for the privileges that come with it - first dibs on tickets for finals etc. Europa League this season for example, I've been to all the home games, but I won't be nailed on for a ticket for the final if we get there. If I was a ST holder who had been to all the homes I would be.

The only problem with that is that when our number of STs goes up with a new ground or development, the allocations for finals and in away grounds won't. I wonder how things will work then loyalty wise! Back to the ballots maybe...

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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #214 on: March 2, 2011, 10:18:36 pm »
 Have they not considered adding picture ID to season tickets? Would sort the mess out a LOT if they have people on the gates regularly checking people and if the picture isn't of the person the season ticket will be confiscated.

 I only applied a couple years ago myself so not expecting anything for another 20 years or so anyway.
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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #215 on: March 2, 2011, 10:23:39 pm »
Have they not considered adding picture ID to season tickets? Would sort the mess out a LOT if they have people on the gates regularly checking people and if the picture isn't of the person the season ticket will be confiscated.

I think the issue with that as people have mentioned, is that there is no harm in people who can't go to the odd game passing their ST to a mate or whatever. I know plenty of people though who have season tickets loaned off people and have for years. A mate of mine hasn't been in about 5 years, loans his out every season. To be honest I don't know why anyone takes a loaned ST now - you can build more loyalty for yourself by getting a membership and going every week, and surely that will be transferrable to any future ST.

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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #216 on: March 2, 2011, 10:34:39 pm »
To pay the staff, the database design, the computers upkeep, the electricity used, the paper for letters, the ink to print them, the stamps to post them etc. What do you think?

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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #217 on: March 2, 2011, 10:36:24 pm »
Cant wait to see peopel who applied circa 97. Bet there are loads they have not got records of.

Just dug my letter out - 3rd February 1999! Pray I get a letter as I intend to stay on the list.

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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #218 on: March 2, 2011, 10:37:59 pm »
I think the issue with that as people have mentioned, is that there is no harm in people who can't go to the odd game passing their ST to a mate or whatever.

Agreed.  Also you have to consider the price of the tickets.  I know people who share a ST, going to about half the games each.  Should that be outlawed too?  Also, before they can introduce any type of ID check then they obviously need to have some sort of amnesty because loads of people are using STs in someone else's name at the moment.

I know plenty of people though who have season tickets loaned off people and have for years. A mate of mine hasn't been in about 5 years, loans his out every season. To be honest I don't know why anyone takes a loaned ST now - you can build more loyalty for yourself by getting a membership and going every week, and surely that will be transferrable to any future ST.

I think people take them because:
a) it is convenient
b) the ticket is with mates which beats sitting on your own
c) they are hoping to one day get the ticket signed over to themselves

Everyone seems to want a system that will somehow punish ST holders, which is kind of missing the point.  When most of us bought our ST you could pay in to any game.  Getting a ST was a sign of commitment. The over demand for tickets has distorted that.  The simplest way to address that is a larger ground.  I don't even think that it would have to be that much bigger in all honesty.  As I said earlier in the thread more seats available not only makes a larger pool of STs available if it makes tickets easier to get on a game by game basis then it also immediately reduces the demand for STs.  The second season will be even more interesting. If a lot of those people who currently pass their ST on, either for the season or for 15 games a season, suddenly find that their normal customers have either got a ST in their own name or are not interested as they can get tickets for the game easier now then you could find a large batch of STs being returned for the first time after one season in a new ground.
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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #219 on: March 2, 2011, 10:40:09 pm »
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No.  Read the thread.  There are two reasons to charge a fee.  The first is to cover the costs of implementing the new cleaned list. The second is to produce that cleaned list.  There needs to be a discriminator that stops people just staying on the list for the hell of it.  There is actually a strong argument that they should have charged more to ensure this.
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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #220 on: March 2, 2011, 10:50:40 pm »
No.  Read the thread.  There are two reasons to charge a fee.  The first is to cover the costs of implementing the new cleaned list. The second is to produce that cleaned list.  There needs to be a discriminator that stops people just staying on the list for the hell of it.  There is actually a strong argument that they should have charged more to ensure this.

They should of added a zero to the 5 imo, if people are willing to pay for a season ticket then they sure can pay 50 odd to stay on the list and maybe 45 or whatever comes off the cost of a ST if and when they are offered one.


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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #221 on: March 2, 2011, 10:51:19 pm »
The club is complicit in the 'passing on' of season tickets. My mate's dad died 25 years ago. I was the first to ask about his ST and was given the renewal form. I simply asked for a change of address and it was mine. I gave it to my dad and he managed through two name changes to get it into his name. When he died it was passed to his grandson and now it's in his name. Mine is in the name of a mate who got his and mne from a company who no longer wanted them. Again the club allowed the names to change. The club asks no questions as long as it gets its money.

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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #222 on: March 2, 2011, 10:55:27 pm »
Cant wait to see peopel who applied circa 97. Bet there are loads they have not got records of.

I went on the "list" in June 1995, was told I was still on the list in June 1999, not a dicky bird since and then PTS came in, so never bothered chasing it up. Got no proof of anything, so only a miracle will see me on the 25000.

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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #223 on: March 2, 2011, 10:58:43 pm »
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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #224 on: March 2, 2011, 11:05:33 pm »
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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #225 on: March 2, 2011, 11:06:55 pm »
You can all fuck off..its an exclusive club and well be here till our dotage...look foward to Anfield of 2051.everyone saying 'keep the noise down' with chants of  "Is it time for our tablets".." Fields of..of..erm...eh?...what was I saying?"... .."You'll never...What?..what?..What!!?" and the future classic." We're 82 you know....82!"..all with  a whiff of stale pee floating in the air.

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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #226 on: March 2, 2011, 11:07:18 pm »
Seems a sensible decision if the club are committed to increasing the capacity.

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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #227 on: March 2, 2011, 11:51:21 pm »
Did i read correctly when the All:Red scheme was first announced one of the "bonuses" was a place on the Season Ticket waiting list. At least this idea of the first 25,000 will help with future stadium decisions
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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #228 on: March 3, 2011, 12:02:59 am »
If you wanted to make money then you let everyone register, the more recent list joiners are far more likely to pay up, they can probably be contacted electronically, hell you could almost do it for next to nothing on a transactional website.  Yet, because those people may have little chance of getting a ticket then they have not done that.  Clearly the motive here is not profit.

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Once all replies have been processed and those who no longer wish to be included on the list removed, Liverpool FC will unveil an online version of the Season Ticket waiting list on the Club website.

Later this year, the Club plan that a further communication will be made to remaining supporters (outside of the first 25,000 already contacted) outlining their options if they wish to remain on the list and be considered should a Season Ticket become available in the future.
To me that reads as if they'll be doing exactly that later - putting a website up where you can register and pay a fiver or whatever to be on the list.
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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #229 on: March 3, 2011, 12:12:39 am »
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Do you think all those fivers are just going to vanish or something?

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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #230 on: March 3, 2011, 12:30:24 am »
No.  Read the thread.  There are two reasons to charge a fee.  The first is to cover the costs of implementing the new cleaned list. The second is to produce that cleaned list.  There needs to be a discriminator that stops people just staying on the list for the hell of it.  There is actually a strong argument that they should have charged more to ensure this.

The commitment to clean up this issue is laudable but again the Club has tiptoed around the issue as this thread and others on other sites demonstrate.

They announce a plan but clearly it is in trepidation as they make it clear that FAQs will be published afterwards. This happened over the Supporters' Committee and while some will say it is the Club listening, the problem is they don't have any proper forum to test these issues other than announcing them and then modifying them afterwards as a result of supporter reaction and feedback.

It would be much better to consult and get these things 98% right from the start than being 75% right but then modifying afterwards - the problem of course is that they have no proper way of consulting.

For me the 5 is irrelevant as a fee - it is no sort of way of establishing a commitment due to the sum involved. If they had thought this through they should have joined up the dots and done this:

1. Announced what they plan to do and tidy up the "database" by sending the letters;

2. Established whatever the number is of those interested in staying on the list as they have said, but the cost of doing this should have been the Club's to cover as it is the Club's historic errors that have led to this problem but;

3. Then to have announced their increased ST target and approach to a capacity change (new stadium or refurbishment) and what this would mean for how many new STH would be created;

4. If the target was to create (for instance) 12000 new STH in the future, then at that point, armed with the cleaned up database they could proceed;

5, If there were say 25000 still on the list (at varying levels of commitment) then at that point they go to the first 12000 and ask for 50. This would secure your place and be deducted from your first (future) ST.

6. Those that were having a punt would be flushed out and they would work their way down the 25000 waiting list until 12000 committed their 50;

7. If you wanted to bail at any time you could but you'd lose your place (although you'd get your 50 back) and they'd replace you with the next person.

8. The result would be (prior to an increase in capacity) that there would be the 12000 secured awaiting the increase in capacity, the Club had proper commitments from them and no one was paying money where there was little or no chance of getting a ST

So, in summary, a two stage process that results in the Club having their target STH increase secured, committed and for the individual supporter the knowledge that their deposit had got them in while the capacity was increased but no one was getting ripped off.
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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #231 on: March 3, 2011, 12:59:14 am »
Agreed.  Also you have to consider the price of the tickets.  I know people who share a ST, going to about half the games each.  Should that be outlawed too?  Also, before they can introduce any type of ID check then they obviously need to have some sort of amnesty because loads of people are using STs in someone else's name at the moment.

I think people take them because:
a) it is convenient
b) the ticket is with mates which beats sitting on your own
c) they are hoping to one day get the ticket signed over to themselves

Everyone seems to want a system that will somehow punish ST holders, which is kind of missing the point.  When most of us bought our ST you could pay in to any game.  Getting a ST was a sign of commitment. The over demand for tickets has distorted that.  The simplest way to address that is a larger ground.  I don't even think that it would have to be that much bigger in all honesty.  As I said earlier in the thread more seats available not only makes a larger pool of STs available if it makes tickets easier to get on a game by game basis then it also immediately reduces the demand for STs.  The second season will be even more interesting. If a lot of those people who currently pass their ST on, either for the season or for 15 games a season, suddenly find that their normal customers have either got a ST in their own name or are not interested as they can get tickets for the game easier now then you could find a large batch of STs being returned for the first time after one season in a new ground.

Glad to see some sense being talked here. I have been using a season ticket in someone else's name and still do, I work shifts and have to miss games sometimes, I'll pass the ticket to a mate for face value or less, or sometimes to an uncle who can't afford to go but was a regular home and away in the sixties for free, I've paid 700 odd for it and should be allowed to give it away occasionally.
 
I sit next to some mates who all go halves on their season tickets, splitting the cost, they're working class lads who have been going for years they've been all around the country and Europe following the reds as well but find it difficult to justify 700 in one go when they've got kids to feed. Me and my mates can do without people deciding what we can or can't do with our tickets, we work hard to pay for them working shifts and can't always make every game, I hate touting but there needs to be some flexibility with season tickets or you'll drive us away.
 
 VdeM is also right about season tickets being held onto by some people because of the shortage of match tickets available, a new stadium would change things for the better, the danger is that when things are in short supply we all turn on each other.
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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #232 on: March 3, 2011, 09:28:16 am »
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This happened over the Supporters' Committee and while some will say it is the Club listening, the problem is they don't have any proper forum to test these issues other than announcing them and then modifying them afterwards as a result of supporter reaction and feedback.

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is this not what they are trying to do with the Supporters Committee Graham, to give them that forum? 

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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #233 on: March 3, 2011, 09:40:05 am »
Graham,

I agree with you on the refundable 50, but look at the reaction the 5 fee has got.  Just imagine the screaming if the club had asked for 50.  I can totally see why they have gone for the smaller sum. 

You also accuse them of being timid in the way they announce their plans, but they have inherited a situation where every action of the club is questioned and scrutinised in every detail.  In those circumstances then I would be adopting precisely the same consensual approach they appear to be using at the moment.

And redbyrdz, once the list is cleaned and online then I don't think they will charge you a fiver to register on it.  However, if I were them I would only allow members to register.  It then becomes another benefit of membership and allows the registration to be linked into the fan card which has all sorts of benefits.
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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #234 on: March 3, 2011, 09:53:29 am »
The commitment to clean up this issue is laudable but again the Club has tiptoed around the issue as this thread and others on other sites demonstrate.

They announce a plan but clearly it is in trepidation as they make it clear that FAQs will be published afterwards. This happened over the Supporters' Committee and while some will say it is the Club listening, the problem is they don't have any proper forum to test these issues other than announcing them and then modifying them afterwards as a result of supporter reaction and feedback.

It would be much better to consult and get these things 98% right from the start than being 75% right but then modifying afterwards - the problem of course is that they have no proper way of consulting.

For me the 5 is irrelevant as a fee - it is no sort of way of establishing a commitment due to the sum involved. If they had thought this through they should have joined up the dots and done this:

1. Announced what they plan to do and tidy up the "database" by sending the letters;

2. Established whatever the number is of those interested in staying on the list as they have said, but the cost of doing this should have been the Club's to cover as it is the Club's historic errors that have led to this problem but;

3. Then to have announced their increased ST target and approach to a capacity change (new stadium or refurbishment) and what this would mean for how many new STH would be created;

4. If the target was to create (for instance) 12000 new STH in the future, then at that point, armed with the cleaned up database they could proceed;

5, If there were say 25000 still on the list (at varying levels of commitment) then at that point they go to the first 12000 and ask for 50. This would secure your place and be deducted from your first (future) ST.

6. Those that were having a punt would be flushed out and they would work their way down the 25000 waiting list until 12000 committed their 50;

7. If you wanted to bail at any time you could but you'd lose your place (although you'd get your 50 back) and they'd replace you with the next person.

8. The result would be (prior to an increase in capacity) that there would be the 12000 secured awaiting the increase in capacity, the Club had proper commitments from them and no one was paying money where there was little or no chance of getting a ST

So, in summary, a two stage process that results in the Club having their target STH increase secured, committed and for the individual supporter the knowledge that their deposit had got them in while the capacity was increased but no one was getting ripped off.
A very good post.

I continue to be concerned about the Club's lack of tranparency on the process they are following to consider redevelopment/New Anfield.

If it is going to take them till the end of April to deal with the first 25,000, presumably it will be another four months before they complete the exercise with the remaining 45,000 names.

Sorting out the list/demand is in everyone's interests.Yet there will also be thousands (in my opinion) who have not registered for a ST simply because it has appeared a pointless exercise. So even after the list is exhausted there will still be further demand.

I do not understand why the club can not simply say:" We are considering redevelopment/new stadium options and need to clarify demand. We shall be contacting everyone on our list and asking them to re-register ( I am neutral on the fee mechanism), after a fixed date we shall invite new registrations which will close on a fixed date. That list will then provide the basis, in order of original application, for new season ticket provision either by conversion of some existing matchday tickets, Anfield redevelopment, or new stadium provision."
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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #235 on: March 3, 2011, 09:59:43 am »
This is a good start towards resolving the extra capacity required issue but that's all it is.
BTW did you notice Arsenal posted a loss? A new stadium can be a bit of an albatross on the old finances.

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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #236 on: March 3, 2011, 10:14:09 am »
Graham,

I agree with you on the refundable 50, but look at the reaction the 5 fee has got.  Just imagine the screaming if the club had asked for 50.  I can totally see why they have gone for the smaller sum. 

You also accuse them of being timid in the way they announce their plans, but they have inherited a situation where every action of the club is questioned and scrutinised in every detail.  In those circumstances then I would be adopting precisely the same consensual approach they appear to be using at the moment.

And redbyrdz, once the list is cleaned and online then I don't think they will charge you a fiver to register on it.  However, if I were them I would only allow members to register.  It then becomes another benefit of membership and allows the registration to be linked into the fan card which has all sorts of benefits.

Kev, I'm not having a major go at them it just seems a bit arse about face in announcing plans, causing different levels of concern and outcry (remember the PTS) and then maybe having to back off and amend it having caused some disquiet.

I think it is brilliant that they are tacmling this ST waiting list and they need to be congratulated on it - my default position isn't that everything they do is wrong, wilful or driven by greed I just think that they have a chance to start a proper constructive debate, hopefully through the Supporters' Committee.

For now I think it's a little own goal to ask people to pay for the Club's mistakes (and describing it as an administration fee) but I see good sense in them asking for a deposit against a ST that is planned to appear in the medium term.

Just an opportunity lost (again some would say) for them to have said:

"Look, it's a mess, it's not the current regime's fault. We recognise how emotive this is and we're going to sort it out so bear with us but we're not going to charge you for somewthing that isn't your fault. Inevitably some are going to miss out and we're sorry for that but it's impossible to satisfy everyone so we'll do our best. Once we've done this we'll let you know our plans for an increase in STH in the future and the first x thousand on the list will be offered the chance to secure a ticket for the future"
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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #237 on: March 3, 2011, 10:22:01 am »
I can see that Graham, I just think that, until they get a firm grip on both the numbers on the list and the redevelopment plans for Anfield then a large(ish) deposit becomes a horrible hostage to fortune.  If they are going to charge 50 and call it a deposit then they really need to be able to guarantee all that pay it a seat and have a known timescale for how long they will be keeping the deposit.  I don't think that they are in a position to do either of those things yet.
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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #238 on: March 3, 2011, 10:27:13 am »
I can see that Graham, I just think that, until they get a firm grip on both the numbers on the list and the redevelopment plans for Anfield then a large(ish) deposit becomes a horrible hostage to fortune.  If they are going to charge 50 and call it a deposit then they really need to be able to guarantee all that pay it a seat and have a known timescale for how long they will be keeping the deposit.  I don't think that they are in a position to do either of those things yet.

Spot on that. Any deposit scheme should be subject to:

1. the deposit gets deducted in future from the cost of the first ST ;

2. only those definitely going to be offered a ticket are asking to stump up and;

3. the chance of the ST is somewhere approaching soon before they take the money off you (say no more than 18 months away from when you'd get it).
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Re: Season Ticket Waiting List
« Reply #239 on: March 3, 2011, 10:34:34 am »
My dad put me on the list more or less the moment I was born, and I've still not gotten mine. I turned 21 a month ago.

When I finally get it, it'll be a nice present to give to my grandkids.

Hmmm, apparently according to the article on .tv, the list started in 1996, so I guess I've been on it since then. 15 fucking years.
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