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Re: Liverpool place some non-playing staff on furlough
« Reply #880 on: April 6, 2020, 08:51:19 am »
Stupidly turned the TV off on ITV last night and literally the first thing I see turning it on this morning is Piers fat cuntface piling on ‘mega rich football clubs’ in a conversation that seemingly had nothing to do with football clubs :duh

They really do just need to nip this in the bud asap, nice quick statement advising we won’t be using government money and let people whinge about something else.

To be honest in this situation we need a huge pile on from everyone and if that means people like him laying into the club then thats good. The bigger the criticism the more chance they reverse the decision.

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Re: Liverpool place some non-playing staff on furlough
« Reply #881 on: April 6, 2020, 08:54:38 am »
Hopefully some clarity on this today.  Piss poor if it is as it reads so far. 
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Re: Liverpool place some non-playing staff on furlough
« Reply #882 on: April 6, 2020, 09:12:19 am »
To be honest in this situation we need a huge pile on from everyone and if that means people like him laying into the club then thats good. The bigger the criticism the more chance they reverse the decision.


Is that c*nt giving 30% of his total salaries ?


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Re: Liverpool place some non-playing staff on furlough
« Reply #883 on: April 6, 2020, 09:13:34 am »
Hopefully some clarity on this today.  Piss poor if it is as it reads so far.


If it as it reads on the Club website then loads of people will have been slagging the club,its owners and players off for fuck all.
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Re: Liverpool place some non-playing staff on furlough
« Reply #884 on: April 6, 2020, 09:17:43 am »
Thanks Zeus, from your reply, I'll say that I'm genuinely impressed that there's a lot of people who are able to see the big picture in that sense, if that's where most of the sentiment is coming from. One thing I wanted to ask though, based on this particular bit on what you've said:

Would it not be less emotive, but equally accurate, to say that the money is being used to help a business going through a difficult time? It would be one thing if the club were in a business that was not affected by the current situation financially, say if it was in the medical sector. But the club like most other businesses in the current times, is probably taking a loss, and are just using the support provided by the government to mitigate that loss. It's a bit of a grey line in that sense. But is there a reason it shouldn't be treated like any other business facing difficulties? Does it make sense to judge a business on its entitlement to aid based on criteria such as how well run and financially sound they are, etc?
LFC are not going through a difficult time, certainly in comparison to many other businesses in other sectors (or compared to other football clubs, of which all but 6 in the world are poorer than LFC, and most have not yet felt the need to do similar).

I've estimated in this thread - and I'm happy to debate the numbers - that we have already received 90%-95% of our usual seasonal income. If there were to be a prolonged outage and - say - the season were to be annulled, we might (according to reports) have to repay maybe another 10-15% of that income. But if that were to happen, further cost-saving measures (preferably agreed commonly across clubs) would be justified. The wages of the members of staff currently under discussion for furloughing represent something less than 2.5% of LFC's turnover.

So the point here is whether a profitable business currently experiencing a 5%-10% fall in income is justified in using taxpayers' money to offset a tiny proportion of its costs.

It's not just football. Virgin Atlantic and Easyjet and others faced huge criticism for initially making staff take upto 50% unpaid leave over the coming three months. Yet those (usually profitable) businesses (and others) are facing total loss of income during their peak sales period (on a 3 month shutdown, potentially 40-50% of their annual business), and are trying to offset much higher wage costs affecting many more employees (tens of thousands, not a couple of hundred) via the scheme.

Virgin founder Richard Branson has been told to put his hand in his own pocket to pay his staff and criticised for seeking assistance, because he's a billionaire and sued the NHS when he (one of his companies) wasn't awarded a contract and pays no tax in the UK. Yet those staff wages are in the tens of millions every month, not the ~£700k we're talking about for currently furloughed employees at LFC. Virgin Atlantic pays UK tax, as do its tens of thousands of employees. Branson doesn't personally own Virgin Atlantic outright. His relationship to Virgin Atlantic isn't dissimilar to Henry's to LFC; their personal wealth is comparable. The difference is that VA is suffering a much greater impact from COVID-19 than LFC are.

Airlines, holiday operators, hoteliers, hospitality companies, cinemas, etc are facing existential threats to their businesses. LFC just aren't. As things stand, it's little more than a minor irritation. Even an annulment of the season wouldn't cause the devastating financial losses that many other businesses are already dealing with.
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Re: Liverpool place some non-playing staff on furlough
« Reply #885 on: April 6, 2020, 09:24:33 am »

Is that c*nt giving 30% of his total salaries ?


He is just a rage inducing Trump cock sucking arsehole & nothing he ever says is or ever will be worth listening to.

I dont really care about whether he is giving up his wages or not. I just want my club not to use this scheme. If it requires people to be hypocrites about it but who have some influence then I dont really care.

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Re: Liverpool place some non-playing staff on furlough
« Reply #886 on: April 6, 2020, 09:25:17 am »

If it as it reads on the Club website then loads of people will have been slagging the club,its owners and players off for fuck all.

Yep we will and hopefully that is the case. If it is then I will be the first to apologise.

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Re: Liverpool place some non-playing staff on furlough
« Reply #887 on: April 6, 2020, 09:32:26 am »
Stupidly turned the TV off on ITV last night and literally the first thing I see turning it on this morning is Piers fat cuntface piling on ‘mega rich football clubs’ in a conversation that seemingly had nothing to do with football clubs :duh

They really do just need to nip this in the bud asap, nice quick statement advising we won’t be using government money and let people whinge about something else.

I'm baffled as to why this hacking of dead people's phones c*nt has such a big platform to air his views every day.

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Re: Liverpool place some non-playing staff on furlough
« Reply #888 on: April 6, 2020, 09:36:41 am »
If it as it reads on the Club website then loads of people will have been slagging the club,its owners and players off for fuck all.

I hope you're right but it hasn't been for fuck all. These are volatile times for everyone, and it's been a lesson for them to give more clarity in these matters. They could easily have nipped this in the bud 2 days ago.

I'm reserving any more criticism until they respond.
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Re: Liverpool place some non-playing staff on furlough
« Reply #889 on: April 6, 2020, 09:39:34 am »
If it as it reads on the Club website then loads of people will have been slagging the club,its owners and players off for fuck all.

Not for fuck all, for a very badly worded statement and a slow reaction to correct the criticism the club is receiving

Who's been slagging off the players?
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Re: Liverpool place some non-playing staff on furlough
« Reply #890 on: April 6, 2020, 09:43:57 am »
If it as it reads on the Club website then loads of people will have been slagging the club,its owners and players off for fuck all.

 ;D ;D You've had a shocker in this thread.

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Re: Liverpool place some non-playing staff on furlough
« Reply #891 on: April 6, 2020, 09:44:35 am »
Has Barrett said anything? This is one of the reasons why his role exists.

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Re: Liverpool place some non-playing staff on furlough
« Reply #892 on: April 6, 2020, 09:47:33 am »
LFC are not going through a difficult time, certainly in comparison to many other businesses in other sectors (or compared to other football clubs, of which all but 6 in the world are poorer than LFC, and most have not yet felt the need to do similar).

I've estimated in this thread - and I'm happy to debate the numbers - that we have already received 90%-95% of our usual seasonal income. If there were to be a prolonged outage and - say - the season were to be annulled, we might (according to reports) have to repay maybe another 10-15% of that income. But if that were to happen, further cost-saving measures (preferably agreed commonly across clubs) would be justified. The wages of the members of staff currently under discussion for furloughing represent something less than 2.5% of LFC's turnover.

So the point here is whether a profitable business currently experiencing a 5%-10% fall in income is justified in using taxpayers' money to offset a tiny proportion of its costs.

It's not just football. Virgin Atlantic and Easyjet and others faced huge criticism for initially making staff take upto 50% unpaid leave over the coming three months. Yet those (usually profitable) businesses (and others) are facing total loss of income during their peak sales period (on a 3 month shutdown, potentially 40-50% of their annual business), and are trying to offset much higher wage costs affecting many more employees (tens of thousands, not a couple of hundred) via the scheme.

Virgin founder Richard Branson has been told to put his hand in his own pocket to pay his staff and criticised for seeking assistance, because he's a billionaire and sued the NHS when he (one of his companies) wasn't awarded a contract and pays no tax in the UK. Yet those staff wages are in the tens of millions every month, not the ~£700k we're talking about for currently furloughed employees at LFC. Virgin Atlantic pays UK tax, as do its tens of thousands of employees. Branson doesn't personally own Virgin Atlantic outright. His relationship to Virgin Atlantic isn't dissimilar to Henry's to LFC; their personal wealth is comparable. The difference is that VA is suffering a much greater impact from COVID-19 than LFC are.

Airlines, holiday operators, hoteliers, hospitality companies, cinemas, etc are facing existential threats to their businesses. LFC just aren't. As things stand, it's little more than a minor irritation. Even an annulment of the season wouldn't cause the devastating financial losses that many other businesses are already dealing with.


Cheers redmark for that detailed rundown. So would I be right to say that most who feel that the club are not doing the right thing, are of that view because when it comes to things like furloughing staff, the fund that the government offers should only be used if there is a real risk of the business actually going under because of the current crisis? And the fund itself is not meant to simply help businesses mitigate losses, if the impact is small or minimal?
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Re: Liverpool place some non-playing staff on furlough
« Reply #893 on: April 6, 2020, 09:48:12 am »
Al666 hasnt gad his say either. I imagine he has combusted with rage ;D

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Re: Liverpool place some non-playing staff on furlough
« Reply #894 on: April 6, 2020, 09:49:05 am »

If it as it reads on the Club website then loads of people will have been slagging the club,its owners and players off for fuck all.



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Re: Liverpool place some non-playing staff on furlough
« Reply #895 on: April 6, 2020, 09:49:53 am »
Al666 hasnt gad his say either. I imagine he has combusted with rage ;D

Building up to his "Told you so moment" on the owners.
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Re: Liverpool place some non-playing staff on furlough
« Reply #896 on: April 6, 2020, 09:50:29 am »
LFC are not going through a difficult time, certainly in comparison to many other businesses in other sectors (or compared to other football clubs, of which all but 6 in the world are poorer than LFC, and most have not yet felt the need to do similar).

I've estimated in this thread - and I'm happy to debate the numbers - that we have already received 90%-95% of our usual seasonal income. If there were to be a prolonged outage and - say - the season were to be annulled, we might (according to reports) have to repay maybe another 10-15% of that income. But if that were to happen, further cost-saving measures (preferably agreed commonly across clubs) would be justified. The wages of the members of staff currently under discussion for furloughing represent something less than 2.5% of LFC's turnover.

So the point here is whether a profitable business currently experiencing a 5%-10% fall in income is justified in using taxpayers' money to offset a tiny proportion of its costs.

It's not just football. Virgin Atlantic and Easyjet and others faced huge criticism for initially making staff take upto 50% unpaid leave over the coming three months. Yet those (usually profitable) businesses (and others) are facing total loss of income during their peak sales period (on a 3 month shutdown, potentially 40-50% of their annual business), and are trying to offset much higher wage costs affecting many more employees (tens of thousands, not a couple of hundred) via the scheme.

Virgin founder Richard Branson has been told to put his hand in his own pocket to pay his staff and criticised for seeking assistance, because he's a billionaire and sued the NHS when he (one of his companies) wasn't awarded a contract and pays no tax in the UK. Yet those staff wages are in the tens of millions every month, not the ~£700k we're talking about for currently furloughed employees at LFC. Virgin Atlantic pays UK tax, as do its tens of thousands of employees. Branson doesn't personally own Virgin Atlantic outright. His relationship to Virgin Atlantic isn't dissimilar to Henry's to LFC; their personal wealth is comparable. The difference is that VA is suffering a much greater impact from COVID-19 than LFC are.

Airlines, holiday operators, hoteliers, hospitality companies, cinemas, etc are facing existential threats to their businesses. LFC just aren't. As things stand, it's little more than a minor irritation. Even an annulment of the season wouldn't cause the devastating financial losses that many other businesses are already dealing with.


Your points are well balanced and seem to make sense to me. Have you read Paul Tomkins on this? He talks a lot about being a socialist, as many do in Liverpool and Liverpool in spirit.

His overall argument suggests football clubs are in more existential danger than you have suggested. But I think you are more right than he is on that one. He also makes the point that we should expect LFC to continue to be a well-run business, financially. And as such should expect us to use this scheme to mitigate losses during this period.

Perhaps deep down there is an unknown "unknown" in all of this. We might assume football will come back behind closed doors in June. But what if it doesn't, what if clubs can't play again until January 2021, the costs and considerations will be huge.


I'll state my view on this: Liverpool should have covered the staff wages in-house until June 2020, with a review every month to make sure we were protecting our position properly.
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Re: Liverpool place some non-playing staff on furlough
« Reply #897 on: April 6, 2020, 09:53:20 am »
If it as it reads on the Club website then loads of people will have been slagging the club,its owners and players off for fuck all.
I really don't get this angle a few people are taking. If it reads as it is on the club website it's very clear that they're using the government's scheme. Especially if you factor in the backlash other big companies including Spurs received for doing so. If they weren't using any government money they'd make that clear. The BBC article had quotes from a member of staff who confirmed it was the government scheme. It has been three days with a strong reaction from the fan base and they haven't clarified anything. If you seriously read that statement in the context of the current climate and you don't agree then I don't know what to say to you.

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Re: Liverpool place some non-playing staff on furlough
« Reply #898 on: April 6, 2020, 09:55:37 am »
Cheers redmark for that detailed rundown. So would I be right to say that most who feel that the club are not doing the right thing, are of that view because when it comes to things like furloughing staff, the fund that the government offers should only be used if there is a real risk of the business actually going under because of the current crisis? And the fund itself is not meant to simply mitigate business who might have been impacted, if the impact is small or minimal?
Yes, briefly.

And if the impact becomes more sizeable then we do need to look at players and senior figures within the club. I posted already a statement where West Brom's chief exec has voluntarily taken a 100% pay cut and they have not yet felt the need to furlough any staff. I think LFC (and Spurs, Newcastle, Norwich and Bournemouth - though I have a little more sympathy for the latter two) have jumped the gun on asking the government to pay the wages of office and shop staff, while the club continue to pay the vastly higher wages of exceedingly well paid footballers. It's just wrong, and utterly blind to the "we're all in it together" idea, let alone the self-declared ethos of us as a club.

There will also be an argument developing (perhaps it was one of the causes of conflict in the PL call on Saturday) that clubs doing this are gaining some (small) competitive advantage over clubs which are not. Never mind the reaction now - just wait until we sign Timo Werner, pay him half a million a week and bung his agent the money we've taken from the taxpayer.

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Re: Liverpool place some non-playing staff on furlough
« Reply #899 on: April 6, 2020, 09:57:41 am »
Yes, briefly.

And if the impact becomes more sizeable then we do need to look at players and senior figures within the club. I posted already a statement where West Brom's chief exec has voluntarily taken a 100% pay cut and they have not yet felt the need to furlough any staff. I think LFC (and Spurs, Newcastle, Norwich and Bournemouth - though I have a little more sympathy for the latter two) have jumped the gun on asking the government to pay the wages of office and shop staff, while the club continue to pay the vastly higher wages of exceedingly well paid footballers. It's just wrong, and utterly blind to the "we're all in it together" idea, let alone the self-declared ethos of us as a club.

There will also be an argument developing (perhaps it was one of the causes of conflict in the PL call on Saturday) that clubs doing this are gaining some (small) competitive advantage over clubs which are not. Never mind the reaction now - just wait until we sign Timo Werner, pay him half a million a week and bung his agent the money we've taken from the taxpayer.



I think its fucking ridiculous if we sign a player until the next season starts or this season ends.

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Re: Liverpool place some non-playing staff on furlough
« Reply #900 on: April 6, 2020, 09:59:19 am »
Perhaps deep down there is an unknown "unknown" in all of this. We might assume football will come back behind closed doors in June. But what if it doesn't, what if clubs can't play again until January 2021, the costs and considerations will be huge.

I'll state my view on this: Liverpool should have covered the staff wages in-house until June 2020, with a review every month to make sure we were protecting our position properly.
Completely agreed - if this continues, and if losses become more serious, then there will need to be cost cutting measures. And those cost cutting measures would still have a more obvious (and justifiable) solution in looking at the ~80-90% of football clubs' wage bills that go to less than 10 % of club employees.
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Re: Liverpool place some non-playing staff on furlough
« Reply #901 on: April 6, 2020, 10:02:36 am »
Completely agreed - if this continues, and if losses become more serious, then there will need to be cost cutting measures. And those cost cutting measures would still have a more obvious (and justifiable) solution in looking at the ~80-90% of football clubs' wage bills that go to less than 10 % of club employees.


In those situations like you imply the players and manager have to take the hit along with the owners. That would also mean that situation of players giving money to charities and the NHS would have to be retracted.

Personally I think the savings in wages should go to keep football and non football related jobs afloat lower down the pyramid.

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« Reply #902 on: April 6, 2020, 10:02:42 am »
I've been wondering where Al is??

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« Reply #903 on: April 6, 2020, 10:04:04 am »
Building up to his "Told you so moment" on the owners.

To be fair we dont need to be told. We know what these owners are like and if they retract this decision why they have done so. We will then await their next gaffe.

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« Reply #904 on: April 6, 2020, 10:06:20 am »
The PFA and Gordon Taylor are coming out of all this very poorly.

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« Reply #905 on: April 6, 2020, 10:07:43 am »
To be fair we dont need to be told. We know what these owners are like and if they retract this decision why they have done so. We will then await their next gaffe.

I will be very surprised if they retract this decision especially when you consider that the financial situation for clubs will deteriorate the longer the season is paused.

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Re: Liverpool place some non-playing staff on furlough
« Reply #906 on: April 6, 2020, 10:07:49 am »

There will also be an argument developing (perhaps it was one of the causes of conflict in the PL call on Saturday) that clubs doing this are gaining some (small) competitive advantage over clubs which are not. Never mind the reaction now - just wait until we sign Timo Werner, pay him half a million a week and bung his agent the money we've taken from the taxpayer.



Yep, exactly. Perhaps LFC as a club has fans who are a bit more socially aware in that sense, and so feel a sense of overall responsibility on how the club should conduct itself in matters like these. But it would be interesting to see if people would feel less angry if this was legitimately the owners saying 'why shouldn't we take advantage of whatever we can to make sure the club has an edge?'

It comes down to your assumptions of people's motivations I suppose.
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Re: Liverpool place some non-playing staff on furlough
« Reply #907 on: April 6, 2020, 10:08:56 am »
I will be very surprised if they retract this decision especially when you consider that the financial situation for clubs will deteriorate the longer the season is paused.

Well then they a bigger set of c*nts than they already are.

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« Reply #908 on: April 6, 2020, 10:11:45 am »
In those situations like you imply the players and manager have to take the hit along with the owners. That would also mean that situation of players giving money to charities and the NHS would have to be retracted.

Personally I think the savings in wages should go to keep football and non football related jobs afloat lower down the pyramid.
There's enough money in football to protect non-playing employees, lower league clubs, as well as help local communities and the NHS. As a couple of commentators have mentioned already, the broadcasters are keeping quiet and avoiding criticism at the moment, but are also in a position to contribute.

Football in general (PL, EFL, FA, PFA and broadcasters) have moved ridiculously slowly and completely misread the general mood. They'd all be well advised to listen to people with a better feel for public mood (Carragher, Neville, Lineker).
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Re: Liverpool place some non-playing staff on furlough
« Reply #909 on: April 6, 2020, 10:24:11 am »
The issue I have with the reaction to this club decision isn’t the criticism LFC are receiving, it’s that many people are using this, and the virus in general, to give football a good kicking. It’s kind of odd, but for some reason society is given licence to slaughter football as an industry compared to other equivalently wealthy sectors.

Calling for football to lash loads of money at the NHS is all very well but obviously misses the point that the NHS isn’t a charity and nor should it be.

Liverpool’s decision has upset and confused a lot of people, but the idea that football is the financial answer to the difficulties many are facing is simplistic and unfair.

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Re: Liverpool place some non-playing staff on furlough
« Reply #910 on: April 6, 2020, 10:35:02 am »
There's enough money in football to protect non-playing employees, lower league clubs, as well as help local communities and the NHS. As a couple of commentators have mentioned already, the broadcasters are keeping quiet and avoiding criticism at the moment, but are also in a position to contribute.

Football in general (PL, EFL, FA, PFA and broadcasters) have moved ridiculously slowly and completely misread the general mood. They'd all be well advised to listen to people with a better feel for public mood (Carragher, Neville, Lineker).

This may be true. But I am not sure what speed was acceptable? The idea of giving millions away is obviously commendable, but that leads to a whole host of logistical issues that require attention before a single pound can be donated. I’d prefer well-administered contributions ahead of quick ones.

In addition, it’s not football’s role to capture the public mood in this context. Certainly not an automatic expectation and definitely not within a set timeframe. I think it’s important that football has a role to play but the calls for a bigger, better and quicker response is arguably unfair. This is brand new territory. Everybody is making it up as they go along. Football wasn’t prepared for what’s happened and why should they be?


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Re: Liverpool place some non-playing staff on furlough
« Reply #911 on: April 6, 2020, 10:38:45 am »
The issue I have with the reaction to this club decision isn’t the criticism LFC are receiving, it’s that many people are using this, and the virus in general, to give football a good kicking. It’s kind of odd, but for some reason society is given licence to slaughter football as an industry compared to other equivalently wealthy sectors.

Calling for football to lash loads of money at the NHS is all very well but obviously misses the point that the NHS isn’t a charity and nor should it be.

Liverpool’s decision has upset and confused a lot of people, but the idea that football is the financial answer to the difficulties many are facing is simplistic and unfair.

I agree and I have said that I disagree with the players looking to not take pay cuts but donate to the NHS as a PR exercise or for genuine reasons.

Football does not need to give money to the NHS thats the governments job. Football though needs that money particularly the ones lower down the pyramid and thats where the money should go.

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Re: Liverpool place some non-playing staff on furlough
« Reply #912 on: April 6, 2020, 10:43:03 am »
The issue I have with the reaction to this club decision isn’t the criticism LFC are receiving, it’s that many people are using this, and the virus in general, to give football a good kicking. It’s kind of odd, but for some reason society is given licence to slaughter football as an industry compared to other equivalently wealthy sectors.

Calling for football to lash loads of money at the NHS is all very well but obviously misses the point that the NHS isn’t a charity and nor should it be.

Liverpool’s decision has upset and confused a lot of people, but the idea that football is the financial answer to the difficulties many are facing is simplistic and unfair.

Agree with your comments on football. There are much richer people in the country than PL footballers that are not having these charitable expectations put on them by rich politicians.
However two wrongs dont make a right and our owners should be called out for their poor decision by our own fans and very loudly.
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Re: Liverpool place some non-playing staff on furlough
« Reply #913 on: April 6, 2020, 10:43:59 am »
I agree and I have said that I disagree with the players looking to not take pay cuts but donate to the NHS as a PR exercise or for genuine reasons.

Football does not need to give money to the NHS thats the governments job. Football though needs that money particularly the ones lower down the pyramid and thats where the money should go.

Yeah bang on
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Re: Liverpool place some non-playing staff on furlough
« Reply #914 on: April 6, 2020, 10:45:52 am »
You can still furlough and be on full wages.. Hope this is the case
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Re: Liverpool place some non-playing staff on furlough
« Reply #915 on: April 6, 2020, 10:47:10 am »
Stupidly turned the TV off on ITV last night and literally the first thing I see turning it on this morning is Piers fat cuntface piling on ‘mega rich football clubs’ in a conversation that seemingly had nothing to do with football clubs :duh

They really do just need to nip this in the bud asap, nice quick statement advising we won’t be using government money and let people whinge about something else.
This is what is annoying me too. When are Piers Moron, the ministers and all the rest of these other multi millionaires who are slagging off the footballers going to cut their salaries?

I think the club is wrong to furlough staff but it is also wrong to single footballers out when the same is happening in hundreds of different industries.

The best position for the tax man is that the footballers reduce their salaries by the amount needed to fund the non playing staff wages. The rest of the salary deduction is then voluntary and goes as a charity donation.

If the players just cut their salaries the NHS end up with less money but the method above means that the government saves 80% on the salaried workers and the rest of the donations go tax free 100% to the charity.

If the footballers just reduced their salaries by 30% then the government saves the furlough money but ends up losing the rest of the tax. The only people who win are the football clubs by reducing the wage bill.

By giving a charitable donation, 100% of the amount goes to the places that need it.

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Re: Liverpool place some non-playing staff on furlough
« Reply #916 on: April 6, 2020, 10:47:56 am »
The issue I have with the reaction to this club decision isn’t the criticism LFC are receiving, it’s that many people are using this, and the virus in general, to give football a good kicking. It’s kind of odd, but for some reason society is given licence to slaughter football as an industry compared to other equivalently wealthy sectors.

Calling for football to lash loads of money at the NHS is all very well but obviously misses the point that the NHS isn’t a charity and nor should it be.

Liverpool’s decision has upset and confused a lot of people, but the idea that football is the financial answer to the difficulties many are facing is simplistic and unfair.

Maybe that's because they see football as the 'peoples' game and therefore it must have social morals akin to those that support it.

The running of a club is indeed a capitalistic venture but the heart of the club is the opposite to that.

The people feel that a local football club should stand beside them - they don't expect a a bank or someone like Amazon to.

So when the people see their morals attacked by the very thing that they put so much faith love hope passion and trust in then hence the reaction.

Liverpool is a club - the owners, the manager and the players are mere characters that pass through it.



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Re: Liverpool place some non-playing staff on furlough
« Reply #917 on: April 6, 2020, 10:48:43 am »
Yeah bang on

Its not just the clubs. The jobs of those staff who work at those clubs. The sandwich men and women who sell food, the pubs who rely on the fans business.

I believe players should take a cut and that money should be distributed to the lower league clubs and economies that rely on it that have stopped due to no matches and no gate receipts.

The NHS dont need the money, they are getting showered with money by the government.

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Re: Liverpool place some non-playing staff on furlough
« Reply #918 on: April 6, 2020, 10:49:13 am »
I agree and I have said that I disagree with the players looking to not take pay cuts but donate to the NHS as a PR exercise or for genuine reasons.

Football does not need to give money to the NHS thats the governments job. Football though needs that money particularly the ones lower down the pyramid and thats where the money should go.
I agree with this. The money should go to charities such as foodbanks and other services that are going to be vital to society now such as mental health charities.

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Re: Liverpool place some non-playing staff on furlough
« Reply #919 on: April 6, 2020, 10:50:07 am »
This is what is annoying me too. When are Piers Moron, the ministers and all the rest of these other multi millionaires who are slagging off the footballers going to cut their salaries?

I think the club is wrong to furlough staff but it is also wrong to single footballers out when the same is happening in hundreds of different industries.

The best position for the tax man is that the footballers reduce their salaries by the amount needed to fund the non playing staff wages. The rest of the salary deduction is then voluntary and goes as a charity donation.

If the players just cut their salaries the NHS end up with less money but the method above means that the government saves 80% on the salaried workers and the rest of the donations go tax free 100% to the charity.

If the footballers just reduced their salaries by 30% then the government saves the furlough money but ends up losing the rest of the tax. The only people who win are the football clubs by reducing the wage bill.

By giving a charitable donation, 100% of the amount goes to the places that need it.

The NHS dont need the cash. Its a pure PR move by the players or they think they are doing the right thing because they dont know what goes on in the real world.