Topic: Lionel Messi

[lionel_messias]

Ronaldo is still better though

Messi has more natural talent, Ronaldo had worked harder on his game and physique.

It's basically McEnroe Vs Ivan Lendl, only umm both have the records of Federer + Nadal combined.

If you get me, blud?

[sonny crockett]

I just was up the Home & Bargain and this caught my eye. Ronny wouldn't lower himself to this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVzFB_LOdng

[TheShanklyGates]

I just was up the Home & Bargain and this caught my eye. Ronny wouldn't lower himself to this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVzFB_LOdng

He'll never love you back. Now put your cock away and stop embarrassing yourself.

[KissThisGuy]

I just was up the Home & Bargain and this caught my eye. Ronny wouldn't lower himself to this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVzFB_LOdng

Of course he wouldn't. 

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/C4zYt4roWWM" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/C4zYt4roWWM</a>

[oojason]

Messi is 11 goals away from reaching the record number of goals scored in a single European league - and only 4 away from overtaking one Jimmy Greaves...



^ from https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/6z8t4r/messi_is_just_11_goals_away_from_reaching_the/


5 goals in the 3 league games so far... he could crack it before the end of the month

[Vinay]

Messi, he is already on the decline, don't you all know that?

[CrasherKid79]

Couldn't lace Zidanes boots.

[TepidT2O]

Couldn't lace Zidanes boots.

Oh no no no...

Zidane was a genius... but Messi is a level higher....

[CrasherKid79]

Oh no no no...

Aidan's was a genius... but Messi is a level higher....

Who is Aidan?

[-Willo-]

Couldn't lace Zidanes boots.

Come on now.

[Samie]

Agreed, Ronaldinho was better. 

[TepidT2O]

Who is Aidan?

Oops missed the Zi

[CrasherKid79]

Come on now.

What? I find Zidane the most beautiful player stylistically ever. He made the game look so easy. 2006 World Cup he owned. Messi hasn't done that

[The 1989 Brit Awards]

What? I find Zidane the most beautiful player stylistically ever. He made the game look so easy. 2006 World Cup he owned. Messi hasn't done that

That's different. Laudrup and such, graceful players are one thing. Messi scoring 12830128 goals all the time is another.

[Shaved Crossbar]

i think it's sarcasm and he's doubling down

[SamAteTheRedAcid]

Couldn't lace Zidanes boots.

If a professional footballer couldn't lace a pair of boots by the time they are entering the late period of their career I despair for the sport.

But where he could obtain a pair of Zidane's boots?

Sources suggest Lionel Messi could turn to eBay, where rare football items pop up occasionally - but how will he ensure they are genuine? Lacing up a fake pair of 'Adidad' ZZ Gold Predators could cause the Argentinian ace a ton of embarrassment on the training ground.

The Institute for Studies recommends that he only dabble in professional auction houses - Sothebys might be a better bet.

Alternatively, he could wait for the next El Classico, and sneak into their dressing room. But what's that in Zizou's locker? Fucking hell, a pair of Lonsdale slipons.

Leo foiled again.

[puroresu_kid]

Zidane was brilliant but he never played to the level Messi has done week in week out for so long.

Players like Messi come about once every 25 years

[LFC when it suits]

Zidane was brilliant but he never played to the level Messi has done week in week out for so long.

Players like Messi come about once every 25 years

I think you mean twice every 25 years.

[puroresu_kid]

I think you mean twice every 25 years.

haha good point

[JLStretton]

Another hattrick this weekend the man is a genius on the pitch.

You can try say zidane, ronaldo ronaldinho whofuckingever is better but you are wrong, he has it all he is what Gerrard was to the midfield ala he could pass like scholes, score like lampard tackle like keane/viera, the same way messi scores like ronaldo but also got the ability to make something out of nothing like zidane/ronaldinho for others. well maybe not but you get the idea.

The man has it all.

[Clayton Bigsby]

We are getting to a stage where you will not be allowed any opinion that doesn't think he is the best that's ever done it. He is that good but in order to put a stamp on this he needs international success.

[Popcorn]

When Messi retires and people look back on how good he actually was the Zidane is better shouts will look sillier than they do now.

Zidane is one of my favourite players ever and an all time great but come on.

The fact that Higuain couldn't finish one of his chances in 2014 shouldn't take anything away for Leo and be used as something to take away from his unique genius.

[SandyShore]

Zidane is so overrated people using nostalgia here,  widely in consistent and never came close to matching the week in week out consistency of Messi and Ronaldo.  Insulting to these two who have been superhuman for the last 7-8 years to compare them to Zidane.

[Clayton Bigsby]

Zidane is so overrated people using nostalgia here,  widely in consistent and never came close to matching the week in week out consistency of Messi and Ronaldo.  Insulting to these two who have been superhuman for the last 7-8 years to compare them to Zidane.

[Xxavi]

Zidane indeed was great but I agree with the above, he was inconsistent. For whatever reason, people only seem to remember his good games. A ton of games where had a good touch here and there, but otherwise largely ineffective. Nowadays, if Messi has 1 of these matches a month, he is said to be in decline and close to retirement. Zidane had such matches every other week.

[ElCapo]

Zidane indeed was great but I agree with the above, he was inconsistent. For whatever reason, people only seem to remember his good games. A ton of games where had a good touch here and there, but otherwise largely ineffective. Nowadays, if Messi has 1 of these matches a month, he is said to be in decline and close to retirement. Zidane had such matches every other week.

Agreed - the parting quote from Gianni Agnelli at the time was ""Zidane?  Pił divertente che utile".  Maybe a bit harsh, but Gianni knew about football.

(Agnelli č sempre stato affezionato al campione francese e ammette: "Ci mancherą non c'č ombra di dubbio, ma se dopo cinque anni, anche per fare piacere alla moglie, che č lecito, uno vuole cambiare... non mi piace trattenere chi se ne vuole andare".)

[elsewhere]

I'm one of the biggest fans of Zidane you'll ever see but Messi has been clearly a level above him.
That being said, Messi is still a level below Wayne Rooney, a.k.a the White Pele.

[Xabi Gerrard]

Messi's better than Zidane was, but some of the shite written about ZZ in here is ridiculous.

Agreed - the parting quote from Gianni Agnelli at the time was ""Zidane?  Pił divertente che utile".  Maybe a bit harsh, but Gianni knew about football.

I wouldn't take the bitter ramblings of an owner (who's just seen his club being put firmly in its place by having its star player go to the biggest club in the world) too seriously. Ferguson knew infinitely more about football than Agnelli but it doesn't mean everything he said is to be taken seriously. Bitter people say stupid things sometimes. You don't need to take this as an accurate assessment of Zidane.

Messi is 11 goals away from reaching the record number of goals scored in a single European league - and only 4 away from overtaking one Jimmy Greaves...

Never ceases to amaze me how underrated Greaves is in his own country. 'Best English player ever' conversations usually revolve around Charlton, Moore & Gazza. Greaves was probably better than the lot of them.

[ElCapo]

Messi's better than Zidane was, but some of the shite written about ZZ in here is ridiculous.

I wouldn't take the bitter ramblings of an owner (who's just seen his club being put firmly in its place by having its star player go to the biggest club in the world) too seriously. Ferguson knew infinitely more about football than Agnelli but it doesn't mean everything he said is to be taken seriously. Bitter people say stupid things sometimes. You don't need to take this as an accurate assessment of Zidane.

Never ceases to amaze me how underrated Greaves is in his own country. 'Best English player ever' conversations usually revolve around Charlton, Moore & Gazza. Greaves was probably better than the lot of them.

This is an incredibly stupid sentence, spoken completely out of context.  Gianni Agnelli was Italian royalty, if he didn't want Zidane to leave, he wouldn't have left.  Simple as that. 

Gianni Agnelli controlled 5% of Italian GDP, he was the de facto figurehead of Italy, his sense of style is still celebrated 2 decades after his death, and you think he was put firmly in his place by Perez?  Flo is a nobody compared to Agnelli, let's get real.

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/gallery/2011/mar/06/10-best-male-fashion-icons#/?picture=372310048&index=2
http://picturesofgianniagnelli.tumblr.com/image/65782667036
https://images01.localidautore.it/dbcrp/500/500/primopiano/jacqueline-kennedy-in-ravello-during-the-summer-o-2127.jpg


The exact quote, which I included in the original message says "We will miss him, without a shadow of a doubt, but if after 5 years and to please his wife, which is legitimate (reason) one wants to change, that's fine.  I don't like to keep players that don't want to be here."

[idontknow]

Messi is 11 goals away from reaching the record number of goals scored in a single European league - and only 4 away from overtaking one Jimmy Greaves...



^ from https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/6z8t4r/messi_is_just_11_goals_away_from_reaching_the/


5 goals in the 3 league games so far... he could crack it before the end of the month

Be very careful trying to overtake Jimmy Greaves, there's a lot of alcohol powering his steering.

[Xabi Gerrard]

This is an incredibly stupid sentence, spoken completely out of context.  Gianni Agnelli was Italian royalty, if he didn't want Zidane to leave, he wouldn't have left.  Simple as that. 

Gianni Agnelli controlled 5% of Italian GDP, he was the de facto figurehead of Italy, his sense of style is still celebrated 2 decades after his death, and you think he was put firmly in his place by Perez?  Flo is a nobody compared to Agnelli, let's get real.

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/gallery/2011/mar/06/10-best-male-fashion-icons#/?picture=372310048&index=2
http://picturesofgianniagnelli.tumblr.com/image/65782667036
https://images01.localidautore.it/dbcrp/500/500/primopiano/jacqueline-kennedy-in-ravello-during-the-summer-o-2127.jpg


The exact quote, which I included in the original message says "We will miss him, without a shadow of a doubt, but if after 5 years and to please his wife, which is legitimate (reason) one wants to change, that's fine.  I don't like to keep players that don't want to be here."

Not really sure where to begin with this mess, but here goes:

1) Your obsession with Agnelli is a bit creepy. Wtf is with posting the list of top 10 male fashion icons? I'm happy for him to be in it but time and a place for it...

2) What's with posting pics of him with Jackie O or GHWB decades earlier? Is that supposed to prove how powerful he was in 2001? Even if they were pics of him at the time of Zidane's transfer, so what? Does posting a pic of Elton with Thatcher in the 80s mean he could have stopped Barnes moving on to a bigger club. That's not how football works.

3) Controlling 4.4% (not 5%) of Italian GDP at his peak (which was way before 2001 btw) doesn't mean he owns 5% of Italian GDP. It's not his personal piggy bank to spend as he pleases. Tim Cook controls an $800bn company (the equivalent of 43% of Italian GDP). It doesnt mean he can spend $800bn as he pleases. And like I said, in 2001 Agnelli controlled much less than its peak of 4.4% GDP.

4) In summer 2001 Fiat were on the rocks. Share price had plummeted from $45 in 1998 to $10 in 2002. His own family fortune shrunk by over 50% from 2000 to 2002. In summer 2001 he was in absolutely no position to be playing Billy BigBollocks. Source

5) His influence had massively diminished by then. He hadn't been running Fiat for years, since 1996 he just had the decorative title of "Honorary Chairman".

6) The bitter quote was the one I quoted from you: "Zidane? More fun than useful"

7) This is the most important point: DONT BASE YOUR OPINION OF ZIDANE ON THE RANTINGS OF A BITTER 79 YEAR OLD OWNER WHO ONCE UPON A TIME WAS INFLUENTIAL. USE YOUR OWN EYES.


Btw, did you ever get to meet Agnelli?

[Purple Red]

We are getting to a stage where you will not be allowed any opinion that doesn't think he is the best that's ever done it. He is that good but in order to put a stamp on this he needs international success.

Why should a player's greatness rely on the performance of his international colleagues?

[Xabi Gerrard]

Why should a player's greatness rely on the performance of his international colleagues?

I agree that he doesn't have to win the world cup to be considered to have bossed a world cup. Baggio in '94 and Zidane in '06 both lost the final, like Messi in 2014, but Baggio and Zidane both absolutely bossed the knockout stages. Messi hasn't done that.

If all you'd ever seen of Messi was world cup knockout games there's no way you'd think he was in contention to be the best player in history. It's not about Higuain not putting the ball away v Germany, it's that Messi looked 2 or 3 levels below what he looks like for Barca throughout the knockouts. That's why people say he hasn't "done it" at international level, not because of losing the final.

[Phil M]

Christ these 'who's the best' discussions (arguments) get tedious.

Can't people just enjoy the moment and appreciate that we're lucky enough to have 2 of the greatest players to ever play the game in Messi and Ronaldo around in our generation and still playing every week.

It might be some time again before we see players or a player anywhere their level of talent/skill/success if we do at all.

[Xabi Gerrard]

Christ these 'who's the best' discussions (arguments) get tedious.

Can't people just enjoy the moment and appreciate that we're lucky enough to have 2 of the greatest players to ever play the game in Messi and Ronaldo around in our generation and still playing every week.

It might be some time again before we see players or a player anywhere their level of talent/skill/success if we do at all.

Ahem...

[Phil M]

Ahem...

[ElCapo]

Not really sure where to begin with this mess, but here goes:

1) Your obsession with Agnelli is a bit creepy. Wtf is with posting the list of top 10 male fashion icons? I'm happy for him to be in it but time and a place for it...

2) What's with posting pics of him with Jackie O or GHWB decades earlier? Is that supposed to prove how powerful he was in 2001? Even if they were pics of him at the time of Zidane's transfer, so what? Does posting a pic of Elton with Thatcher in the 80s mean he could have stopped Barnes moving on to a bigger club. That's not how football works.

3) Controlling 4.4% (not 5%) of Italian GDP at his peak (which was way before 2001 btw) doesn't mean he owns 5% of Italian GDP. It's not his personal piggy bank to spend as he pleases. Tim Cook controls an $800bn company (the equivalent of 43% of Italian GDP). It doesnt mean he can spend $800bn as he pleases. And like I said, in 2001 Agnelli controlled much less than its peak of 4.4% GDP.

4) In summer 2001 Fiat were on the rocks. Share price had plummeted from $45 in 1998 to $10 in 2002. His own family fortune shrunk by over 50% from 2000 to 2002. In summer 2001 he was in absolutely no position to be playing Billy BigBollocks. Source

5) His influence had massively diminished by then. He hadn't been running Fiat for years, since 1996 he just had the decorative title of "Honorary Chairman".

6) The bitter quote was the one I quoted from you: "Zidane? More fun than useful"

7) This is the most important point: DONT BASE YOUR OPINION OF ZIDANE ON THE RANTINGS OF A BITTER 79 YEAR OLD OWNER WHO ONCE UPON A TIME WAS INFLUENTIAL. USE YOUR OWN EYES.


Btw, did you ever get to meet Agnelli?

What I'm trying to point out to you is that a powerful man that rubs shoulders with Bush, Kissinger and Jackie O,  is hardly being put in his place by a gypsy like Perez, but whatever, you seem very smart so I will let you to your toys.

[RyanBabel19]

Best player i've ever seen hands down

Unbelievable talent, makes it all look so easy

Would love to hear him talk about his thought process in certain match situations as he takes up some very different options to most players

[Dull Tools]

Absoloutely incredible tonight!

[Chakan]

8 goals for the season already. Definitely on the decline, no question about it.