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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #80 on: December 22, 2012, 11:29:18 am »
This deal is just PSG putting their middle fingers up to Platini and saying "You're not going to do anything, are you?"

At least with City it was somewhat subtle, with sponsorship of the "academy" and the like.  It's still obvious to anyone with a brain that they were paying well over the odds in an attempt to make it easier to balance the books for FFP purposes, but at least there was an argument to be made and you could look the other way if you so chose.

With this PSG aren't even making an attempt to hide it.  In my opinion this is sort of a trial balloon to see if they can get away with it.  Openly flouting the rules to see if anyone does anything.  Then, if/when nothing happens, they can make their business plans knowing that they don't have to pay any attention to FFP in the future.

Platini's son works for the people who own PSG, but if he does nothing about this, clubs like bayern munich will force him to resign. He can't possibly let this slide, while retaining any credibility, and there are a lot of people who will push back the other way .

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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #81 on: December 22, 2012, 11:35:02 am »
Platini's son works for the people who own PSG, but if he does nothing about this, clubs like bayern munich will force him to resign. He can't possibly let this slide, while retaining any credibility, and there are a lot of people who will push back the other way .

This is the only thing that gives me hope, all of the big clubs want FFP. United, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Bayern, Dortmund, Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus - surely these clubs and the people attached to them represent a greater power in UEFA than a few arab sheikhs.

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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #82 on: December 22, 2012, 11:54:19 am »
Of course we're jealous.  I know I am.  Let's not try kidding ourselves over it.  But our jealousy is mixed in with the frustration that in three years of hawking our club around the best buyers Moores and Parry found were the Toxic Texan and his sidekick, Little George.  That and in the 18 months they were trying to whore us to every family in the Middle East they failed utterly.

What Liverpool fan wouldn't be jealous, looking at the likes of Man City and thinking it could have been us?  Knowing that a man like Rafa wouldn't have done what these other managers have done and just throw money and wages around blindly?  We were so close, we didn't need to spend obscene amounts of cash.  We could have had it all - the sugar daddy owner and the success, without the anal raping of FFP into the bargain.  We could have done it without losing our dignity.

Now we're on the wrong end of yet another five year project, with the gap between us and the top of Europe widening all the time.  So yeah, I'm f*cking jealous, and I'm not ashamed to admit it.
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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #83 on: December 22, 2012, 01:00:47 pm »
This is the way the game has gone i'm afraid and lets face it there is nothing that can or will be done about it. The game we all once loved is dead.

I barely get excited about footy now - including Liverpool.
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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #84 on: December 22, 2012, 03:18:25 pm »
Of course we're jealous.  I know I am.  Let's not try kidding ourselves over it.  But our jealousy is mixed in with the frustration that in three years of hawking our club around the best buyers Moores and Parry found were the Toxic Texan and his sidekick, Little George.  That and in the 18 months they were trying to whore us to every family in the Middle East they failed utterly.

What Liverpool fan wouldn't be jealous, looking at the likes of Man City and thinking it could have been us?  Knowing that a man like Rafa wouldn't have done what these other managers have done and just throw money and wages around blindly?  We were so close, we didn't need to spend obscene amounts of cash.  We could have had it all - the sugar daddy owner and the success, without the anal raping of FFP into the bargain.  We could have done it without losing our dignity.

Now we're on the wrong end of yet another five year project, with the gap between us and the top of Europe widening all the time. 

Well City initially got Thaksin Shinawatra who sold to the Arabs. G+H may not have had the connections to get a rich Arab family to consider us. Parry and Moores to be fair did get DIC coming to the table. I wouldn't be surprised if FSG have some strong ties to rich Arabs.

In the Independent this week there was an article about one of the Saudi princes spending 300m on a personalized jet. He could be the type of owner that could catapult a club to the top of European football.

FFP is something that would inhibit teams like Bolton, Millwall, Leeds, Sheffield clubs (well actually most teams in football) from getting to the top in the way Chelsea, Man City and Anji are trying/did. FFP simply means the bug cubs stay big and the small ones stay small.

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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #85 on: December 22, 2012, 04:37:56 pm »
Well City initially got Thaksin Shinawatra who sold to the Arabs. G+H may not have had the connections to get a rich Arab family to consider us. Parry and Moores to be fair did get DIC coming to the table. I wouldn't be surprised if FSG have some strong ties to rich Arabs.

If Brain Reade's book is anything to go by, G+H went to the Arabs with all the tact and diplomacy and George Bush paying a visit to Saddam-era Iraq.  They managed to piss off just about every major family whilst they were over there.

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In the Independent this week there was an article about one of the Saudi princes spending 300m on a personalized jet. He could be the type of owner that could catapult a club to the top of European football.

I get what you're saying.  My big fear is those sodding cowboys may have ruined our reputation in the Middle East as a potential investment opportunity, no matter who FSG might know over there.
 
I applaud FSG for trying to run Liverpool 'properly' and spend only the money we generate but the fact is we were losing ground back in 2005 and the financial gap is widening all the time.  Seven years ago we needed to spend about £60m just to draw level; that figure is now likely to be around £150m.  We don't have that kind of spending power so we have to play this frustrating waiting game - not unless FSG pull a wealthy investor out of the hat.

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FFP is something that would inhibit teams like Bolton, Millwall, Leeds, Sheffield clubs (well actually most teams in football) from getting to the top in the way Chelsea, Man City and Anji are trying/did. FFP simply means the big cubs stay big and the small ones stay small.

Based on our finances, I'd say we're top six at best.  I'm not saying big spending clubs would lead to a top four shut out, but we've made costly mistakes in the transfer market these past two years and it's leaving us a frightening amount of ground to catch up.  Precious little has gone right for us since we won the CL.
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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #86 on: December 23, 2012, 03:56:36 am »


coca cola gave us 100M for this sponsoring

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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #87 on: December 23, 2012, 09:54:42 pm »
For one photo?! :D
Seriously, what was the deal?
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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #88 on: December 24, 2012, 01:51:41 am »
No question in my mind, there are nice payoffs involved all-around for UEFA officials here. Money talks and both FIFA and UEFA are incredibly corrupt organizations.

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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #89 on: January 23, 2014, 08:29:13 pm »
A club like this disgusts me. The Deloitte Money League report that just came out has them top of the commercial revenue table. PSG? A club that plays it's football in the glorious French League?

Another Man City trying to cheat their way out of the FFP

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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #90 on: January 23, 2014, 08:39:22 pm »
All that money didn't help them them getting done 2-1 at home by the team 16th in the league and knocked out of the French Cup last night.

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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #91 on: January 23, 2014, 10:40:19 pm »
Of course we're jealous.  I know I am.  Let's not try kidding ourselves over it.  But our jealousy is mixed in with the frustration that in three years of hawking our club around the best buyers Moores and Parry found were the Toxic Texan and his sidekick, Little George.  That and in the 18 months they were trying to whore us to every family in the Middle East they failed utterly.

What Liverpool fan wouldn't be jealous, looking at the likes of Man City and thinking it could have been us?  Knowing that a man like Rafa wouldn't have done what these other managers have done and just throw money and wages around blindly?  We were so close, we didn't need to spend obscene amounts of cash.  We could have had it all - the sugar daddy owner and the success, without the anal raping of FFP into the bargain.  We could have done it without losing our dignity.

Now we're on the wrong end of yet another five year project, with the gap between us and the top of Europe widening all the time.  So yeah, I'm f*cking jealous, and I'm not ashamed to admit it.

I'm not.

Is a good, clean athlete jealous of the doped-up cheat who wins everything? Fans of these teams won't admit it, but deep down it will feel hollow. What have fans of Liverpool, United, Arsenal, Bayern, Dortmund, Juventus, Inter, Milan, Ajax, got to feel jealous about? Any success these clubs will have in the future will feel so much sweeter because it's EARNED, not bought.

Fuck the cheats. Fuck Chelsea, City, Monaco, PSG, Anzhi Makhachkala and all the rest of them.


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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #92 on: January 23, 2014, 10:41:53 pm »
This just reeks of money laundering

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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #93 on: January 23, 2014, 10:42:15 pm »
I'm not.

Is a good, clean athlete jealous of the doped-up cheat who wins everything? Fans of these teams won't admit it, but deep down it will feel hollow. What have fans of Liverpool, United, Arsenal, Bayern, Dortmund, Juventus, Inter, Milan, Ajax, got to feel jealous about? Any success these clubs will have in the future will feel so much sweeter because it's EARNED, not bought.

Fuck the cheats. Fuck Chelsea, City, Monaco, PSG, Anzhi Makhachkala and all the rest of them.



Doped up cheats get caught and their medals stripped.

Oil clubs keep their trophies and carry on winning everything.
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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #94 on: January 23, 2014, 10:44:37 pm »
Doped up cheats get caught and their medals stripped.

Oil clubs keep their trophies and carry on winning everything.

Doesn't make it right.

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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #95 on: January 23, 2014, 10:46:07 pm »
I'm not.

Is a good, clean athlete jealous of the doped-up cheat who wins everything? Fans of these teams won't admit it, but deep down it will feel hollow. What have fans of Liverpool, United, Arsenal, Bayern, Dortmund, Juventus, Inter, Milan, Ajax, got to feel jealous about? Any success these clubs will have in the future will feel so much sweeter because it's EARNED, not bought.

Fuck the cheats. Fuck Chelsea, City, Monaco, PSG, Anzhi Makhachkala and all the rest of them.


+1 mate well said. Pity this sentiment is not shared by more people. Not too different to accepting the current political plight most of us are going through in our lives.
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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #96 on: January 23, 2014, 10:52:25 pm »
FSG have lent you money interest free and propped up your losses with cash injections. What's the difference?

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« Reply #97 on: January 23, 2014, 10:54:58 pm »
FSG have lent you money interest free and propped up your losses with cash injections. What's the difference?

You must be able to see the difference between propping up a club which nearly went out of business to the tune of £70m or so, AVB spending £500m+ on transfers whilst then having their own linked companies sponsor the clubs for massive amounts.

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« Reply #98 on: January 23, 2014, 10:55:13 pm »
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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #99 on: January 23, 2014, 11:31:58 pm »
Football is laughably crap these days. I find it more interesting seeing if we can best these scumbags rather than being one of them.
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« Reply #100 on: January 23, 2014, 11:32:27 pm »
FSG have lent you money interest free and propped up your losses with cash injections. What's the difference?

What's the difference between spending circa a billion pounds and securing ludicrously inflated sponsorship deals against lending a club that is amongst the commercially strongest in the world £70 million?


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« Reply #101 on: January 23, 2014, 11:48:40 pm »
I thought it was €150m over 4-5 years. €600m over 4 years is the most unapologetic and absurd trick imaginable. They make Man City look like an organic club.

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« Reply #102 on: January 23, 2014, 11:54:18 pm »
FSG have lent you money interest free and propped up your losses with cash injections. What's the difference?

They bought the business. They aim to increase commercial revenue, then plow it back in for investing in players. It's absolutely nothing like your shower to be fair.
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« Reply #103 on: January 23, 2014, 11:58:26 pm »
I just don't understand why Qataris are giving away their people's money to France. FRANCE! France of all fucking countries.

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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #104 on: January 24, 2014, 12:02:35 am »
Platini's silence is deafening and FFP is dead and buried,anyone who says it isn't is a supporter of these petro dollar plastic clubs and in denial, fuck UEFA fuck platini and fuck the  sheikhs & oligarchs, they have ruined football and killed the romance of the game with there financial steroid abuse and win at all co$ts.
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« Reply #105 on: January 24, 2014, 12:03:12 am »
And let the City wankfest begin. Best owners in the world. Pity so many of our fans seem strangely complicit. £1m per shit in the morning. The next stage. Can't wait. Lets let the other shit ride. Best league in the world, Richie Scudie says so. We come here to gloat, taunt and piss off ;)
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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #106 on: January 24, 2014, 12:05:08 am »
FSG have lent you money interest free and propped up your losses with cash injections. What's the difference?

FSG haven't invested over a billion into Liverpool laundering most of it through shady pass-cash-from-one-hand-to-the-other sponsorship deals, apart from that no difference ;D

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« Reply #107 on: January 24, 2014, 12:11:05 am »
I'm not.

Is a good, clean athlete jealous of the doped-up cheat who wins everything? Fans of these teams won't admit it, but deep down it will feel hollow. What have fans of Liverpool, United, Arsenal, Bayern, Dortmund, Juventus, Inter, Milan, Ajax, got to feel jealous about? Any success these clubs will have in the future will feel so much sweeter because it's EARNED, not bought.

Fuck the cheats. Fuck Chelsea, City, Monaco, PSG, Anzhi Makhachkala and all the rest of them.

Honestly think I would give up watching football if we became a billionaire's plaything. Everything about these oil rich clubs is so nauseating and I would hate for Liverpool to become as soulless as Chelsea and City.

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« Reply #108 on: January 24, 2014, 12:13:16 am »
Honestly think I would give up watching football if we became a billionaire's plaything. Everything about these oil rich clubs is so nauseating and I would hate for Liverpool to become as soulless as Chelsea and City.
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« Reply #109 on: January 24, 2014, 12:17:12 am »
They bought the business. They aim to increase commercial revenue, then plow it back in for investing in players. It's absolutely nothing like your shower to be fair.
The amounts may differ (which is hardly surprising since we started from a much lower base) but the principle is exactly the same.

Our "shower" bought an ailing business and intend to make it a global brand and financially self-sustaining by increasing commercial revenue.  They should be announcing plans in the next few weeks that will dwarf anything any football club has ever done and which will have a huge beneficial impact on a local community that sorely needs it.

Your "shower" are a group of investors who have seen an underpriced, under-invested asset, which was already a global brand, but had significant upside potential. They are planning to redevelop the local area to the benefit of the community as part of the stadium expansion.

Spot the difference.

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« Reply #110 on: January 24, 2014, 12:24:30 am »
Honestly think I would give up watching football if we became a billionaire's plaything.

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« Reply #111 on: January 24, 2014, 12:28:25 am »
The amounts may differ (which is hardly surprising since we started from a much lower base) but the principle is exactly the same.

Our "shower" bought an ailing business and intend to make it a global brand and financially self-sustaining by increasing commercial revenue.  They should be announcing plans in the next few weeks that will dwarf anything any football club has ever done and which will have a huge beneficial impact on a local community that sorely needs it.

Your "shower" are a group of investors who have seen an underpriced, under-invested asset, which was already a global brand, but had significant upside potential. They are planning to redevelop the local area to the benefit of the community as part of the stadium expansion.

Spot the difference.

You're missing the point entirely though.

No one will argue your owners are doing great things for the community, the plans for around the ground look exceptionally impressive.

However when it comes to ownership investment in the side you can't compare our owners to yours, which is what you tried to do. We've had about £70m of investment, compared to your what £400m+? And we were certainly not £330m 'ahead' of you to make it comparable in any way. Your owners have then used their own companies, or ones they are extremely closely linked to, to sponsor you at inflated rates in a way to bypass FFP rules.

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« Reply #112 on: January 24, 2014, 12:29:16 am »
http://www.forbes.com/profile/john-henry/
You were saying?

So you've shown he is a billionaire, now how are we a plaything, as I've not seen him pumping his personal money into us in excessive amounts - have you?

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« Reply #113 on: January 24, 2014, 12:38:43 am »
http://www.forbes.com/profile/john-henry/
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Billionaire owner ≠ billionaire's plaything, unless i've missed it I don't think John Henry has invested a billion of his own money into Liverpool's squad.

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« Reply #114 on: January 24, 2014, 12:47:40 am »
My largest concern for PSG is that their owners have showed no intention to make them self-sufficient, meaning that after the 2022 World Cup is done with and Qatar has had it's day in the football sun they could be in a very difficult situation. City aren't self-sufficient right now, but we are taking the right steps and there is a clear plan to move forward in this manner. Time will tell.

I hate the phrase 'the club has lost it's soul' - what does that even mean. As I fan, I was there 15 years ago, I'm there now, I will be there in 10 years regardless of what happens. Are you suggesting that I should walk away because of investment that means I get to enjoy some of the best players and football in the world? Sorry but I will take the fixtures against Barcelona rather than York. Telling yourself you'd walk away is just crazy, when you stick by your club through the shit times who in there right mind would walk away from the good. Football has been about investment long before it arrived at our door, and I dread to think what state we'd be in without it. I'm loving every minute.

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« Reply #115 on: January 24, 2014, 12:49:54 am »
http://www.forbes.com/profile/john-henry/
You were saying?

Is this you trying to draw a comparison with us and the likes of you's and PSG?

Pretty weak attempt
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« Reply #116 on: January 24, 2014, 12:51:27 am »
I guess this is 'financial fairplay' at work.  All the rules will probably do is hamstring some clubs that can't afford to get around them.

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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #117 on: January 24, 2014, 01:06:20 am »
Honestly think I would give up watching football if we became a billionaire's plaything. Everything about these oil rich clubs is so nauseating and I would hate for Liverpool to become as soulless as Chelsea and City.

A lot of fans would rather see Liverpool vs Barcelona than Liverpool vs Barnet.
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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #118 on: January 24, 2014, 01:40:23 am »
This is the way the game has gone i'm afraid and lets face it there is nothing that can or will be done about it. The game we all once loved is dead.
That was said five, then, fifteen, twenty years ago.

I suppose it's on the last throes before the game collapses, plunging the world into darkness. ::)
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Re: PSG - 150 million deal
« Reply #119 on: January 24, 2014, 02:13:17 am »
 Zeb, thanks for some of the insight about FFP, particularly liked the argument you had with the City fan. It seems to me that the real issue here is the "related parties" clause and how oligarchs and sheikhs (especially) seem to by pass this due to the complete ignorance of the regions, I will speak a little more on the region which is a lot closer to home and the people that rule it. It is a complete a farce that Etihad or Qatar Museum Authority are not related parties to Sheikh Mansoor or Qatar Investment Authority respectively, indeed these have both set up separate companies with separate management etc.. At the end of the day the money comes from one pot and anyone who has spend any time in the region will know that the decisions lie in the hands of a maximum of 3 people and that the CEOs of all these companies would never make a major decision without their approval or more accurately their orders. This region isn't Europe or other parts of the western world, there is no such thing as "Emir accountability", they do as the please and have full and total control of their nations, so when someone tells me that Qatar Tourism Authority is separate to the Qatar Sports Investment, I ask them where the money comes from and the same goes for the Man City deals with Etihad. It is a big farce which has been carefully calculated by Magic Circle and White Shoe solicitors so that legally Uefa cannot do jack shit about it but they obviously know that this very French theoretical piece of Uefa Regulation was in fact only something that people will look back at and think "oh that was cute" but could never be applied to owners from countries who are quite literally owned by them as everyone is a related party in major transactions.
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