Topic: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023 (FSG posts = get muted) - No Mbappé

[RedSince86]

Maybe throw in Carvalho to lower the Mac Callister fee?

[Knight]

Does the irony stretch to your moaning about moaning?

If people could actually use the thread to discuss what the thread is about, that is our rumoured or mooted transfer business and how positive we feel about it that would be great. Posts that are just, 'stop moaning' lead to discussions like this. Carra would never have needed make his entirely reasonable post is Avens hadn't jumped in to the TRANSFER THREAD to complain about people complaining about potential transfers.

[Schmidt]

I hope we make our signings early. Three more months of this, and some people in this thread might end up at the funny farm ...

At least you'll have company then.

[classycarra]

Does the irony stretch to your moaning about moaning?

Up to you how you judge me mate

So far as I was aware, I haven't been complaining about people's posts in here and generalising people who don't agree with me with the moaners label, but I'm often wrong and happy to admit it

[B0151?]

Maybe throw in Carvalho to lower the Mac Callister fee?

Carvalho seems like a pretty good example of why it's difficult for us to do what Brighton do. And why a young player might prefer to go to a club like that to be honest. It was still a good signing though considering you'll imagine if he does eventually move on we will profit. Would be nice if he does a Harvey though but on Prem level and the loan puts him in the manager's plans.

[classycarra]

a response to suggest that reaching these conclusions is perhaps a little ahead of time, is perfectly justified.

The tone in here is overwhelmingly negative. I'm suggesting that we might be better off discussing players that might potentially sign for us and debating their merits, rather than being angry at everyone behind the scenes because we've been linked with Lavia.

honestly not sure what your issue is with that poster mate?

for a start, it's nicely written and more than three words - which puts it above a lot of (our) posts in here. then they've set out their view on what kind of player they'd like the club to target. they've acknowledged that nothing is set yet but from the indications, which they are aware can change, they aren't sure that their ideal is going to come about.

if you think that's overwhelmingly negative, i don't know what to say. it's just a discussion about our football team! it doesn't need to be so serious, and lets be honest it's standard fare for pre/post match conversations around the ground too.

[CraigDS]

If people could actually use the thread to discuss what the thread is about, that is our rumoured or mooted transfer business and how positive we feel about it that would be great. Posts that are just, 'stop moaning' lead to discussions like this. Carra would never have needed make his entirely reasonable post is Avens hadn't jumped in to the TRANSFER THREAD to complain about people complaining about potential transfers.

to be honest if people stuck to what this thread is REALLY about, which is discussing the players we are linked with, rather than trying to talk made up numbers (none of us know what the selling club want, how they want it paying, what wages they want, what agent fees they want, and what we have to spend) - if people could actually do that, and stick to that, then no one would need to complain, or complain about the complainers.

However a huge number seem to not have the ability to separate discussing linked players without having to give an opinion on made up numbers.

[Avens]

Nailed it, the lack of self awareness is comical.

 

honestly not sure what your issue is with that poster mate?

for a start, it's nicely written and more than three words - which puts it above a lot of (our) posts in here. then they've set out their view on what kind of player they'd like the club to target. they've acknowledged that nothing is set yet but from the indications, which they are aware can change, they aren't sure that their ideal is going to come about.

if you think that's overwhelmingly negative, i don't know what to say. it's just a discussion about our football team! it doesn't need to be so serious, and lets be honest it's standard fare for pre/post match conversations around the ground too.

"As it stands we're nowhere near this scenario."

You honestly don't think this is jumping the gun a little on passing judgement on our transfer business this summer? Fair enough if so, but I stand by my point that it's an overly negative way of looking at transfer rumours (again) before the season has even finished.

[paddysour]

to be honest if people stuck to what this thread is REALLY about, which is discussing the players we are linked with, rather than trying to talk made up numbers (none of us know what the selling club want, how they want it paying, what wages they want, what agent fees they want, and what we have to spend) - if people could actually do that, and stick to that, then no one would need to complain, or complain about the complainers.

However a huge number seem to not have the ability to separate discussing linked players without having to give an opinion on made up numbers.

Here here. And if we're being properly linked, we have already discussed with the agents and largely know a deal is possible. So the can we afford his wages/agent fees talk is pointless.

[Avens]

If people could actually use the thread to discuss what the thread is about, that is our rumoured or mooted transfer business and how positive we feel about it that would be great. Posts that are just, 'stop moaning' lead to discussions like this. Carra would never have needed make his entirely reasonable post is Avens hadn't jumped in to the TRANSFER THREAD to complain about people complaining about potential transfers.

Hey, I'd love to come in here and see people debating whether or not Lavia would be a decent signing, if only that could come without people criticising the club for signing him ... when they haven't.

[DelTrotter]

honestly not sure what your issue is with that poster mate?

for a start, it's nicely written and more than three words - which puts it above a lot of (our) posts in here. then they've set out their view on what kind of player they'd like the club to target. they've acknowledged that nothing is set yet but from the indications, which they are aware can change, they aren't sure that their ideal is going to come about.

if you think that's overwhelmingly negative, i don't know what to say. it's just a discussion about our football team! it doesn't need to be so serious, and lets be honest it's standard fare for pre/post match conversations around the ground too.

Yep, a properly snide post to make, Zlen's post was perfectly fine and football based. I've never seen one from Avens, his entire posting history is hammering people on here for "whinging" or "being negative" without the self awareness to realise he's exactly what he complains about.

Football posts like Zlen's with perfectly valid concerns everytime over posters who steam in to whinge about how much whinging is in there.

[Barefoot Doctor]

Jurgen Klopp on Fabio Carvalho:

"No player has impressed me more than Fabio. This boy came here with big dreams it didn't work out but his work ethic will give him a fantastic career. I think there’s a possibility that Carvalho will go on loan”

Jurgen has an ability to be absolutely savage while still being lovely.

To me, losing two attackers in Firmino and Carvalho should necessitate bringing one in.

[Aldo1988]

I’ve see more people on this thread moaning about perceived moaning than I have people genuinely moaning   

Stop moaning, everything is okay. 

[disgraced cake]

Without investment I won't expect much more.

Yeah, do agree to be honest. Suppose I'm just going to have to go into the window expecting the bare minimum and hopefully come out on the other end pleasantly surprised. Been through too many of these windows hoping for things that never come. Going to have to limit my time on this thread over the summer for my own benefit. Saying that I'll probably be on it moaning every day 

[DelTrotter]

He mostly spoke of a loan for Fab but definitely felt like there might be a bit of letting him go if the right offer was there. Would be a shame as he's a big talent but if there's not a place for him there's not a place. A loan would likely be best though as one good season and that apparently makes you worth at least £60m. Perhaps back to Fulham would be good.

[Avens]

Yep, a properly snide post to make, Zlen's post was perfectly fine and football based. I've never seen one from Avens, his entire posting history is hammering people on here for "whinging" or "being negative" without the self awareness to realise he's exactly what he complains about.

Football posts like Zlen's with perfectly valid concerns everytime over posters who steam in to whinge about how much whinging is in there.

Whingeing about the whingeing about the whingeing 

I don't think it was particularly snide of me, I directed the original post at Zlen themselves and I stand by the original point I made – this post would make a lot more sense if we appeared to be done with our transfer business and we hadn't addressed any of the issues.

Hopefully it turns around, but at the moment our proposed targets look pretty underwhelming in a sense that it is both nowhere near enough to fix what needs fixing and also weight of transfers is misplaced in wrong positions in my opinion. I was hoping and expecting we would sign three first team ready mifdfield players, placing the biggest emphasis (and chunk of money) on a physical, dominant destroyer who can also bring it up the pitch. As it stands we're nowhere near this scenario.

They're hoping that we would sign three first team ready midfielders ... OK, shall we wait and see if that happens? Maybe we could even discuss who some of those midfielders could be? Or should we complain about it not happening now, in May?

[Agent99]

[HeartAndSoul]

Klopp on the impact of missing out on the CL:

“From a financial point of view, it’s a big problem.



Is Sander Berge still available?

Haha that’s hilarious. Broke even when we were in the champions league due to FSG being tight fisted c*nts and now due to underinvestment in the squad, we miss out on top 4 and now money is tight for transfers

Really hope that’s klopp trying to bluff potential selling clubs into thinking we’re broke and don’t have the funds to pay a premium on what we think they’re worth. Then again you look at our list of targets and it’s as depressing as it gets.

[Ravishing Rick Dude]

Jurgen Klopp on Fabio Carvalho:

"No player has impressed me more than Fabio. This boy came here with big dreams it didn't work out but his work ethic will give him a fantastic career. I think there’s a possibility that Carvalho will go on loan”

I always looked at him as a committee signing.

[DelTrotter]

Maybe we could even discuss who some of those midfielders could be?

Go for it, would be awesome to see a football post from you instead of just complaining about other posters.

[Ravishing Rick Dude]

If people could actually use the thread to discuss what the thread is about, that is our rumoured or mooted transfer business and how positive we feel about it that would be great. Posts that are just, 'stop moaning' lead to discussions like this. Carra would never have needed make his entirely reasonable post is Avens hadn't jumped in to the TRANSFER THREAD to complain about people complaining about potential transfers.

That fella tries too hard sometimes to be the mini El Lobo 

[Too early for flapjacks?]

Carvalho seems like a pretty good example of why it's difficult for us to do what Brighton do. And why a young player might prefer to go to a club like that to be honest. It was still a good signing though considering you'll imagine if he does eventually move on we will profit. Would be nice if he does a Harvey though but on Prem level and the loan puts him in the manager's plans.

It's difficult for us to do what Brighton do but can we make better use of the loan system? Surely we could work with Europa League level teams in Germany, Italy, France, Netherlands, Portugal, and Belgium. They'd get access to talent they wouldn't otherwise be able to whilst we share the cost involved. Caicedo and Mitoma both had loans in Belgium before returning to Brighton. Maybe there is another step if we did it like a loan to Germany or Italy, but it would help with their development and prepare them for a crack at the PL. Minamino is an example of player we could have looked to loan out to a decent German club after 6 months training with us and a pre-season. I wonder if it's something our new Director of Football could look at. His record for shopping in that sort of market is quite good. Maybe he could focus on signing cheap talents and developing them for a year or two through the loan market before Jurgen gets his hands on them.

[The G in Gerrard]

I can't keep up with this thread. It's grown 20+ pages since I last checked Anything happening?

[Avens]

Go for it, would be awesome to see a football post from you instead of just complaining about other posters.

What about Lavia? I've seen him linked 

[Avens]

I can't keep up with this thread. It's grown 20+ pages since I last checked Anything happening?

Haha sorry, no. Partly my fault 

But we haven't signed anyone yet, which has lots of people very annoyed. And there have been rumours that we might try to sign Lavia and that Southampton might want 40m for him, which has us all fuming at FSG.

[Aldo1988]

I'm sure Kovacic only has a year left on his contract at Chelsea, Could pick him up for something like £15m maybe. They need to sell so.

City were linked to him the other day.

[Avens]

That fella tries too hard sometimes to be the mini El Lobo 

There is an El Lobo shaped hole in this forum at the moment, unfortunately. I'm not the man to fill it, so I'll leave you all to it 

[Aldo1988]

That is way to sensible for this thread. 

Shame it will get ignored 

[disgraced cake]

Thought Kovacic was older than 29 to be honest. If we could have him cheap as a third option I'd be all for that, really good player on his day, experienced, a winner. Would suit coming into this team too, I think. Don't see it happening but wouldn't be against it as I say if there's a couple coming in ahead of him.

[JRed]

Far from the most encouraging words from Klopp here.

Midfield rebuild on a strict budget perhaps then.

Might be able to get Gallagher and Berge for £40 million, and then a returning Morton's going to be like a new signing 

We would have to sell someone first

[Ravishing Rick Dude]

Thought Kovacic was older than 29 to be honest. If we could have him cheap as a third option I'd be all for that, really good player on his day, experienced, a winner. Would suit coming into this team too, I think. Don't see it happening but wouldn't be against it as I say if there's a couple coming in ahead of him.

He's a strange one. When he's good he's unplayable, when he's shit he's really shit. As a cheap third option i wouldn't mind though. But i think we should be looking first options first and foremost since our midfield is a mess.

[classycarra]

"As it stands we're nowhere near this scenario."

You honestly don't think this is jumping the gun a little on passing judgement on our transfer business this summer? Fair enough if so, but I stand by my point that it's an overly negative way of looking at transfer rumours (again) before the season has even finished.

Of course it'd be jumping the gun, if they leapt to a conclusion, but they don't - they said "as it stands" and "hopefully it turns around". Short of shutting the thread until 1 September, any discussion on this upcoming summer transfer window is going to be jumping the gun.

People are different. Everyone is different degrees of optimistic/pessimistic, and have different preferences for how they predict (eg some will talk about what they hope for, some about what they want to avoid). There's no chance us posters in this thread can redress this so everyone is fully in agreement.

Boring tangent here, and not related to you/anyone in this thread, but my old line manager used to be extremely defensive and unpleasant with me when we worked on projects where she was the Lead. I'd ask questions about things, including negative scenarios, to try and find out if the team had considered various risks - thinking I was helping out, so we could make plans to try to avoid negative outcomes. Instead, she took it to mean I didn't have 'faith' and was told I needed to be more optimistic for the project to work out. She couldn't see past me raising scenarios which weren't the perfect outcome, and then made things unpleasant for me and others in the team because she didn't want to consider/plan for 'the worst' - but she thought she was in the right because she was always positive about the work.

This isn't an analogy for here - none of us have any input on our transfers - more just an example of how our different make-ups can rub each other up the wrong way. Instead of all of us knocking heads trying to change each others approach to posting, time here is probably better spent staying on the topic of our transfers. And if people don't enjoy how the thread's going, either try to improve it or try to avoid it/not make it worse [have accidentally moved onto preaching here, and I know I have definitely not followed this suggestion on several occasions myself]

[Avens]

I like him and think he'll be excellent in the future but he's the sort of player I'd rather sign when our midfield is sorted and we are looking at what can happen in 1, 2, 3 years when others get old not for a win now thing. If Fabinho was still amazing then Lavia is perfect to sign and maybe take over over the next 18 months or whatever but with the current Fabinho I'd rather someone further along in their development come in and took over from the off or pretty quickly after, Rice for example, doesn't have to be him, just someone at that stage in their career. Obviously if Jurgen etc still think Fab has got it then that won't happen so we may as well do Lavia and hope he takes another leap very quickly if Fab is ropey next season.

Fair enough, I can't disagree with any of that (as much as I want to  ) . Rice is going to be too expensive and is probably Arsenal-bound. I think signing someone like Lavia, given the stage of his career, blocks Bajcetic unnecessarily. I also think Schmadtke is likely to bring options from Germany to the table, which is why I think worrying about who we've been linked to so far is jumping the gun – we haven't had many links from the Bundesliga, aside from Gravenberch (who I'd love us to sign) and I imagine there will be a few once we have SD in place and the football bit of the season has actually finished 

[Avens]

snip

But "as it stands"? It doesn't stand! It hasn't even got legs yet 

Appreciate the conciliatory tone of the post and I'm happy to leave it there. Hopefully a win on the weekend and then we can all pile in here to complain about the links to Ward-Prowse for the next 3 months... jesus.

[classycarra]

But "as it stands"? It doesn't stand! It hasn't even got legs yet 

Appreciate the conciliatory tone of the post and I'm happy to leave it there. Hopefully a win on the weekend and then we can all pile in here to complain about the links to Ward-Prowse for the next 3 months... jesus.

Haha [note to self, in future i'm gonna have to say "at present" instead of "as it stands"!]

cheers mate, likewise. yep we're all after the same outcome of the club doing as well as it can!

[clinical]

Wait who's having a go at targeting FSG for us wanting Lavia?

Lavia would be a good signing. He's probably not ready to play all the games but he's 19 and looks like Fabinho isn't going anywhere.

[JackWard33]

If Ugarte ends up at Chelsea it'll be frustrating.. PSG I can rationalise .. but no real idea why we're not buying him (and please don't say payment terms because no one cares)

[Too early for flapjacks?]

If Ugarte ends up at Chelsea it'll be frustrating.. PSG I can rationalise .. but no real idea why we're not buying him (and please don't say payment terms because no one cares)

Klopp doesn't rate him that highly and is targeting other midfielders?

[clinical]

If Ugarte ends up at Chelsea it'll be frustrating.. PSG I can rationalise .. but no real idea why we're not buying him (and please don't say payment terms because no one cares)

We don't seem to value him at £50m. Or we were never interested. I don't see how Chelsea are set to spend another £200m though. Surely impossible.

[JackWard33]

We don't seem to value him at £50m.

Because we're high? .. or broke? ... ... or have fired our analytics team?  .. or hate players who own jazz mags?