Author Topic: Andy Robertson (Andrew Henry Robertson MBE)  (Read 791015 times)

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Re: Just Fucking Robertson...
« Reply #4680 on: October 30, 2021, 04:55:36 pm »
He's been below the standards he set for well over a year. Tsimikas has played better since the season began. He's always 10 yards behind the centre backs.

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Re: Just Fucking Robertson...
« Reply #4681 on: October 30, 2021, 04:56:10 pm »
His position should be coming under real pressure if he keeps this form up.

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Re: Just Fucking Robertson...
« Reply #4682 on: October 30, 2021, 04:56:40 pm »
Agree that he really struggled today, but he wasn't the only one.
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Re: Just Fucking Robertson...
« Reply #4683 on: October 30, 2021, 04:57:25 pm »
He wasn't the only one at fault, but he was all over the place for their second goal.  First he played them offside and then did his best Moreno impression trying to stop Tressard.  Robbo has to do better as he's been too sloppy this season.
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Re: Just Fucking Robertson...
« Reply #4684 on: October 30, 2021, 05:04:19 pm »
Another frustrating performance from him. He needs a prolonged rest.
"prolonged" seems a bit much, but yeah he needs a wee rest. Maybe give him midweek off. Robertson is still one of our best players, and he didn't get a lot of help from the midfield today.

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Re: Just Fucking Robertson...
« Reply #4685 on: October 30, 2021, 05:13:14 pm »
"prolonged" seems a bit much, but yeah he needs a wee rest. Maybe give him midweek off. Robertson is still one of our best players, and he didn't get a lot of help from the midfield today.

We've got a great reserve left back . He deserves an opportunity and Robbo deserves a rest.

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Re: Just Fucking Robertson...
« Reply #4686 on: October 30, 2021, 05:15:59 pm »
We've got a great reserve left back . He deserves an opportunity and Robbo deserves a rest.
I don't disagree with that. Rotation is important. I'm just saying a long-term benching would not only be a psychological blow to Robbo, it would be unfair all things considering. Things aren't so dire yet.

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Re: Just Fucking Robertson...
« Reply #4687 on: October 30, 2021, 05:16:14 pm »
His position should be coming under real pressure if he keeps this form up.

His form has been average for about a year.

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Re: Just Fucking Robertson...
« Reply #4688 on: October 30, 2021, 05:19:52 pm »
We've got a great reserve left back . He deserves an opportunity and Robbo deserves a rest.
Only injury will keep him out of the team, same for Virg.

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Re: Just Fucking Robertson...
« Reply #4689 on: October 30, 2021, 05:20:19 pm »
His form has been average for about a year.
Bollocks. He's had the odd off-game every now and then but so has everybody.

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Re: Just Fucking Robertson...
« Reply #4690 on: October 30, 2021, 05:21:15 pm »
He’s not been as good going forwards anymore has he? Terrible defending and positioning for trossard goal as well

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Re: Just Fucking Robertson...
« Reply #4691 on: October 30, 2021, 05:30:49 pm »
Bollocks. He's had the odd off-game every now and then but so has everybody.

His output the last year has been average. Passing and final ball nowhere near as good as it used to be.

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Re: Just Fucking Robertson...
« Reply #4692 on: October 30, 2021, 05:31:24 pm »
He’s not been as good going forwards anymore has he? Terrible defending and positioning for trossard goal as well
Who gave a crap that Robbo didn't get any assists when we beat Man Unite 5-0? Nobody. His lack of attacking output is only being used as another stick to beat him with because we had a bad second half. The team has changed a lot and his attacking responsibilities aren't the same as before ... not all the time anyway. We all know how he and Trent get slated when caught upfield and the opponent score. You never hear the end of it from the media hacks who somehow seem completely blind to the misdeeds of Maguire and Shaw.

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Re: Just Fucking Robertson...
« Reply #4693 on: October 30, 2021, 05:32:20 pm »
He's defo not reached the level he can for the last year or so. Tiny sample size but Tsimikas crossing looks better too though we'll have to see how the rest of his game shows over time. Can feel a little unlucky he's not had more of a run but it's nice to have 2 good options anyway.

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Re: Just Fucking Robertson...
« Reply #4694 on: October 30, 2021, 11:01:59 pm »
Who gave a crap that Robbo didn't get any assists when we beat Man Unite 5-0? Nobody. His lack of attacking output is only being used as another stick to beat him with because we had a bad second half. The team has changed a lot and his attacking responsibilities aren't the same as before ... not all the time anyway. We all know how he and Trent get slated when caught upfield and the opponent score. You never hear the end of it from the media hacks who somehow seem completely blind to the misdeeds of Maguire and Shaw.
A huge amount of his crosses and passes seem to get cut out, Trent and kostas beat the blocker way easier.
His strength is his engine which looks as good as ever, for some reason his passing has dropped off from a couple of seasons back. Maybe he's easier to read and players have worked him out a bit, or maybe it's me.

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Re: Just Fucking Robertson...
« Reply #4695 on: October 30, 2021, 11:11:52 pm »
A huge amount of his crosses and passes seem to get cut out, Trent and kostas beat the blocker way easier.
His strength is his engine which looks as good as ever, for some reason his passing has dropped off from a couple of seasons back. Maybe he's easier to read and players have worked him out a bit, or maybe it's me.

To be honest when all of their defenders are pretty much a lot taller than our attackers, it's easy to see why perhaps some crosses get cut out. It's a complete mismatch if we're expect Mo at 175cm to out jump Duffy at 193cm.

I think this is a game where we needed to find a different ways to score, or add a different dimension to those crosses i.e. we needed smart movement to generate space in the box for Mane or Salah to pounce on, whereas most of the time Robbo got forward, he was launching it into a pretty crowded box so it never looked particularly threatening. Trent has the ability to cross from deeper, and much earlier and this has the chance to catch out a defender if they aren't perfectly positioned because of the speed that he sends the ball across. In fact, this is how Ox's cross caught them out and we scored our 2nd goal.

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Re: Just Fucking Robertson...
« Reply #4696 on: October 31, 2021, 08:36:12 am »
Had a right go at a few in the main stand midway through the second half , the ball went out from his mistake and a few took to there feet in frustration but he let rip back himself

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Re: Just Fucking Robertson...
« Reply #4697 on: October 31, 2021, 08:48:02 am »
Had a right go at a few in the main stand midway through the second half , the ball went out from his mistake and a few took to there feet in frustration but he let rip back himself

Yeah seen that. It’s not happening for him at the minute.

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Re: Just Fucking Robertson...
« Reply #4698 on: October 31, 2021, 10:01:16 am »
His crossing isn't as good as it's made out to be. Out of 20, I'd rate it a 12. Tsimikas' is far more accurate.

Players can lose form but that's the benefit of having options. IMO, he should be rested against Atleti.

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Re: Just Fucking Robertson...
« Reply #4699 on: October 31, 2021, 10:46:05 am »
…..so 6/10 then
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Re: Just Fucking Robertson...
« Reply #4700 on: October 31, 2021, 10:53:36 am »
I’d say his crossing has been more of a 32/40.

His defending for their second goal was poor though.

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Re: Just Fucking Robertson...
« Reply #4701 on: October 31, 2021, 11:19:57 am »
Its not binary - that he's either the best in the world or dogshit. But I think its fair to say he has been sub-par for at least a year, compared to his previous standards of being top-3 in the world, and that as a result he should not be an automatic pick anymore. He must have played more football in the last 12 months for club and country than anyone else.

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Re: Just Fucking Robertson...
« Reply #4702 on: October 31, 2021, 02:04:42 pm »
Here's the problem - he got another international break upcoming with - no actual break in sight.

He's got to be just exhausted at this point.

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Re: Just Fucking Robertson...
« Reply #4703 on: November 1, 2021, 02:20:44 pm »
Here's the problem - he got another international break upcoming with - no actual break in sight.

He's got to be just exhausted at this point.

Yes and even I would not expect him to play every game for Scotland given their qualification situation. So the answer should be to give Tsimikas more games.

Ironically, I would play Robbo on Wed vs Atletico and play Tsimikas vs West Ham on Sunday.

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Re: Just Fucking Robertson...
« Reply #4704 on: November 1, 2021, 05:15:40 pm »
Yes and even I would not expect him to play every game for Scotland given their qualification situation. So the answer should be to give Tsimikas more games.

Ironically, I would play Robbo on Wed vs Atletico and play Tsimikas vs West Ham on Sunday.

that's not irony, it's a recognition of the necessity of a certain amount of spite in our eleven anytime we face Atletico...
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Re: Just Fucking Robertson...
« Reply #4705 on: November 1, 2021, 06:14:01 pm »
IMO, he should be rested against Atleti.

was just about to post the same thing.  give Robbo a breather - god knows he deserves one.

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Re: Just Fucking Robertson...
« Reply #4706 on: November 2, 2021, 09:51:09 am »
Yes and even I would not expect him to play every game for Scotland given their qualification situation. So the answer should be to give Tsimikas more games.

Ironically, I would play Robbo on Wed vs Atletico and play Tsimikas vs West Ham on Sunday.

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Re: Just Fucking Robertson...
« Reply #4707 on: November 2, 2021, 10:43:07 am »
Had a right go at a few in the main stand midway through the second half , the ball went out from his mistake and a few took to there feet in frustration but he let rip back himself

If you're standing on your feet to have a go at our players you deserve what you get imo. With that said, Robbo badly needs some time out of the team and given his position is probably where we have the strongest cover, it's time Jurgen gave him a breather.
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Re: Just Fucking Robertson...
« Reply #4708 on: November 2, 2021, 01:04:00 pm »
If you're standing on your feet to have a go at our players you deserve what you get imo.

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Re: Just Fucking Robertson...
« Reply #4709 on: November 2, 2021, 11:40:42 pm »
was just about to post the same thing.  give Robbo a breather - god knows he deserves one.

Do you think its mental fatigue rather than physical?

I think he was overplayed last season due to injuries, but he's played 7/10 PL games and a few UCL games since Aug

Not Robbo specific but I don't think that's a particularly demanding physical workload.

As I've said before I prefer players to be playing 2 x per week for rhythm - although I accept mental/physical fatigue can be a factor.
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Re: Just Fucking Robertson...
« Reply #4710 on: November 3, 2021, 04:35:40 am »
Do you think its mental fatigue rather than physical?

I think he was overplayed last season due to injuries, but he's played 7/10 PL games and a few UCL games since Aug

Not Robbo specific but I don't think that's a particularly demanding physical workload.

As I've said before I prefer players to be playing 2 x per week for rhythm - although I accept mental/physical fatigue can be a factor.

It's a tough balance. Kostas was in pretty good form too and he'll have lost a lot of that momentum by not playing regularly now. I thought Robbo deserved a bit of time on the sidelines or could have been rotated a lot more than he has. The idea is to arrive at the latter half of the season with both of them in good form, good fitness. That could still happen I suppose, but we seem to have a knack of really using some players exclusively until they appear a bit jaded.

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Re: Just Fucking Robertson...
« Reply #4711 on: November 3, 2021, 08:29:41 am »
I blame the sugar tax and all the sweetener shite they put in Irn Bru these days.

Need to find him a case of the real stuff long since hidden away in some warehouse, best before date irrelevant.
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Re: Just Fucking Robertson...
« Reply #4712 on: November 3, 2021, 11:26:38 am »
Do you think its mental fatigue rather than physical?

I think he was overplayed last season due to injuries, but he's played 7/10 PL games and a few UCL games since Aug

Not Robbo specific but I don't think that's a particularly demanding physical workload.

As I've said before I prefer players to be playing 2 x per week for rhythm - although I accept mental/physical fatigue can be a factor.
I think it's a bit of both, but imo ppl overlook or dismiss the mental aspect way too easily.  Playing at elite levels requires total concentration and alertness, plus game prep that involves studying oppo strengths and weaknesses in diagrams and videos from the coaches.

Week in  week out that takes its toll and is the reason (I think) why some games Player A is sparkling while his mate Player B looks like he's suddenly  forgotten how the game works.

Physcal readiness / freshness is measured and tracked in minute detail and can be assessed easily by the staff.  Mental readiness / freshness can't.


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Re: Just Fucking Robertson...
« Reply #4713 on: November 3, 2021, 11:42:44 am »
Scotland’s final game at the Euros was on 22nd June and Robbo returned for pre-season training on 23rd July. That’s 4 and a half weeks off. I’m not sure that he’s still tired from last season. Physically damaged because of how much he has been used over the last 4 years and because has played through injury? Maybe. But part of it is the fact that he somehow managed to play at 99% of his potential for so long that people expect more from him than is reasonable. I think he’s generally been OK when he’s played this year but I’m sure he’ll hit another gear or two on the attacking aspect at some point.

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Re: Just Fucking Robertson...
« Reply #4714 on: November 3, 2021, 12:43:07 pm »
Reckon he’ll be chomping at the bit to get torn into Suarez tonight mind.
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Re: Just Fucking Robertson...
« Reply #4715 on: November 3, 2021, 12:56:29 pm »
Reckon he’ll be chomping at the bit to get torn into Suarez tonight mind.

I feel like that usually the other way around with Suarez.

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Re: Just Fucking Robertson...
« Reply #4716 on: November 7, 2021, 06:31:41 pm »
How many bad games would he need to have to be dropped? This has been going on for 10 months now... not good enough.

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Re: Just Fucking Robertson...
« Reply #4717 on: November 7, 2021, 06:32:58 pm »
How many bad games would he need to have to be dropped? This has been going on for 10 months now... not good enough.
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Re: Just Fucking Robertson...
« Reply #4718 on: November 7, 2021, 06:34:09 pm »
Wow. This is your first thought after that game?
I can understand him. Robbo got a lot chances on the left side to create atleast a few dangerous chances and bottled it. I think its time to rest him a bit and play Tsimikas.

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Re: Just Fucking Robertson...
« Reply #4719 on: November 7, 2021, 06:34:28 pm »
Really poor again with his crosses today. He had quite a few chances to put in decent crosses today and he fucked up most of them