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« Reply #69240 on: September 23, 2020, 09:16:21 am »
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« Reply #69241 on: September 23, 2020, 09:27:37 am »
Has Trump had a stroke?

Saw a clip yesterday and he was continually slurring, getting loads of words wrong - including his own name and looked confused and bewildered.

Maybe he was just mocking another disabled person.
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« Reply #69242 on: September 23, 2020, 10:11:00 am »
I know a Supreme Court judge usually stays in the job until they die, but is there a process for removing them or is it really a job for life?

They can be impeached I believe but that would require the Senate voting for it.

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« Reply #69243 on: September 23, 2020, 10:52:55 am »
They can be impeached I believe but that would require the Senate voting for it.

2/3 majority I assume?
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« Reply #69244 on: September 23, 2020, 11:00:20 am »
Republicans are going to Pay for this.


They will ram this through. But I hope that the turtle from money-sucking Kentucky gets lots of face-time during this process. Him and the slime ball from South Carolina. They hoth have such loveable faces. They are both up for election too.


No Covid relief...but rush a judge? The Senate race ads make themselves...


They want to put an anti-Obamacare judge front and center leading up to the election? Really?


They will get their judge...but it may be a dying blow.

The weird thing is that if they showed a little patience they could be the ones using it as an election issue, vote gop or the dems will still your sc nomination and then even if that didn't work they would still have the post-election period to rush through the nomination anyway.

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« Reply #69245 on: September 23, 2020, 11:18:05 am »

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« Reply #69246 on: September 23, 2020, 11:18:35 am »
Has Trump had a stroke?
I thought he was more of a 'grab' kind of guy. A mere stroke won't get him off.

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« Reply #69247 on: September 23, 2020, 11:23:32 am »
The weird thing is that if they showed a little patience they could be the ones using it as an election issue, vote gop or the dems will still your sc nomination and then even if that didn't work they would still have the post-election period to rush through the nomination anyway.

Their hurry makes me think they fear a blow-out election. Why rush otherwise?
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Re: Person.. Woman.. Man......Military Grave........LOSER!
« Reply #69248 on: September 23, 2020, 11:23:33 am »
I thought he was more of a 'grab' kind of guy. A mere stroke won't get him off.

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« Reply #69249 on: September 23, 2020, 12:03:56 pm »
Their hurry makes me think they fear a blow-out election. Why rush otherwise?

This election, all things considered is not a done deal for Biden. I honestly think he should moot bringing in UN observers. Trump is constantly saying the election will be rigged (if he loses), and he would know. So what complaint would he have about independent observers overseeing things? Of course they won`t actually do that, as it would be too shameful, but the drama would be interesting & potentially embarrassing for the GOP at least.
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« Reply #69250 on: September 23, 2020, 01:10:08 pm »
This election, all things considered is not a done deal for Biden. I honestly think he should moot bringing in UN observers. Trump is constantly saying the election will be rigged (if he loses), and he would know. So what complaint would he have about independent observers overseeing things? Of course they won`t actually do that, as it would be too shameful, but the drama would be interesting & potentially embarrassing for the GOP at least.

And, of course, the UN wouldn’t be branded as corrupt and fake by the GOP and Trump should they report that they found wrongdoings.

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« Reply #69251 on: September 23, 2020, 01:25:50 pm »
The GOP are obviously fearing absolute annihilation in the election, Trump has been laying the groundwork to cry foul after the event for a number of months.

Under the circumstances, the GOP would be absolute fools not to rush through the judicial appointment. There is no benefit in delaying.
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« Reply #69252 on: September 23, 2020, 02:08:47 pm »
And, of course, the UN wouldn’t be branded as corrupt and fake by the GOP and Trump should they report that they found wrongdoings.

No doubt they would, but good people would know better.

It`s important to get everything on record with people/organisations like the Trumpzis and the GOP.
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« Reply #69253 on: September 23, 2020, 04:42:16 pm »
Has Trump had a stroke?

Saw a clip yesterday and he was continually slurring, getting loads of words wrong - including his own name and looked confused and bewildered.
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« Reply #69254 on: September 23, 2020, 04:52:49 pm »
The GOP are obviously fearing absolute annihilation in the election, Trump has been laying the groundwork to cry foul after the event for a number of months.

Under the circumstances, the GOP would be absolute fools not to rush through the judicial appointment. There is no benefit in delaying.

He's been laying the groundwork to cry foul for the last 4 years now unfortunately.

But yeah, this judicial appointment is all about the election unfortunately. As things stand, they have the court 5-3. Justice Roberts, however, is a crucial swing vote and has sided with the liberal side of the court on many occasions. So if the election was to go to the SC, it'd probably be a 4-4 tie and the lower court's decision would be upheld. They're not sure what that decision would be, so they want a judge on the SC. If they cry foul, it can go all the way to the SC and they'll feel comfortable winning with a 5-4 decision. Unless one of the "older" conservative judges actually has a change of heart, which I very much doubt.

It pains me to say this, but unless Biden wins in a blowout and they win the Senate in much the same way, I think the election is going to the Supreme Court where it'll be ruled in Trump's favor. A thrashing by Biden may be the only way that he can win because hopefully then not even the Supreme Court will get involved. It's like losing a football match 5-0 and crying over refereeing decisions. But if it's a close election, we're in for hell.

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« Reply #69255 on: September 23, 2020, 05:21:13 pm »
But if it's a close election, we're in for hell.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/what-if-trump-refuses-concede/616424/

The whole thing is a fascinating read (well, from afar at least) but just posting one bit here:

Republicans control both legislative chambers in the six most closely contested battleground states. Of those, Arizona and Florida have Republican governors, too. In Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, the governors are Democrats.

Foley, the Ohio State election scholar, has mapped the ripple effects if Republican legislators were to appoint Trump electors in defiance of the vote in states like Pennsylvania and Michigan. The Democratic governors would respond by certifying the official count, a routine exercise of their authority, and they would argue that legislators could not lawfully choose different electors after the vote had taken place. Their “certificates of ascertainment,” dispatched to the National Archives, would say that their states had appointed electors committed to Biden. Each competing set of electors would have the imprimatur of one branch of state government.

In Arizona, Secretary of State Katie Hobbs, who oversees elections, is a Democrat. She could assert her own power to certify the voting results and forward a slate of Biden electors. Even in Florida, which has unified Republican rule, electors pledged to Biden could meet and certify their own votes in hope of triggering a “controversy or contest” that would leave their state’s outcome to Congress. Much the same thing almost happened during the Florida recount battle of 2000. Republican Governor Jeb Bush certified electors for his brother, George W. Bush, on November 26 of that year, while litigation of the recount was still under way. Gore’s chief lawyer, Ronald Klain, responded by booking a room in the old Florida capitol building for Democratic electors to cast rival ballots for Gore. Only Gore’s concession, five days before the Electoral College vote, mooted that plan.

In any of these scenarios, the Electoral College would convene on December 14 without a consensus on who had legitimate claims to cast the deciding votes.

Rival slates of electors could hold mirror-image meetings in Harris­burg, Lansing, Tallahassee, or Phoenix, casting the same electoral votes on opposite sides. Each slate would transmit its ballots, as the Constitution provides, “to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate.” The next move would belong to Vice President Mike Pence.

This would be a genuine constitutional crisis, the first but not the last of the Interregnum. “Then we get thrown into a world where anything could happen,” Norm Ornstein says.

Two men are claiming the presidency. The next occasion to settle the matter is more than three weeks away.

January 6 comes just after the new Congress is sworn in. Control of the Senate will be crucial to the presidency now.

Pence, as president of the Senate, would hold in his hands two conflicting electoral certificates from each of several swing states. The Twelfth Amendment says only this about what happens next: “The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and the House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted.”

Note the passive voice. Who does the counting? Which certificates are counted?

The Trump team would take the position that the constitutional language leaves those questions to the vice president. This means that Pence has the unilateral power to announce his own reelection, and a second term for Trump. Democrats and legal scholars would denounce the self-dealing and point out that Congress filled the gaps in the Twelfth Amendment with the Electoral Count Act, which provides instructions for how to resolve this kind of dispute. The trouble with the instructions is that they are widely considered, in Foley’s words, to be “convoluted and impenetrable,” “confusing and ugly,” and “one of the strangest pieces of statutory language ever enacted by Congress.”

If the Interregnum is a contest in search of an umpire, it now has 535 of them, and a rule book that no one is sure how to read. The presiding officer is one of the players on the field.

Foley has produced a 25,000-word study in the Loyola University Chicago Law Journal that maps out the paths the ensuing fight could take if only one state’s electoral votes are in play.

If Democrats win back the Senate and hold the House, then all roads laid out in the Electoral Count Act lead eventually to a Biden presidency. The reverse applies if Republicans hold the Senate and unexpectedly win back the House. But if Congress remains split, there are conditions in which no decisive outcome is possible—no result that has clear force of law. Each party could cite a plausible reading of the rules in which its candidate has won. There is no tie-breaking vote.

How can it be that Congress slips into unbreakable deadlock? The law is a labyrinth in these parts, too intricate to map in a magazine article, but I can sketch one path.

Suppose Pennsylvania alone sends rival slates of electors, and their 20 votes will decide the presidency.

One reading of the Electoral Count Act says that Congress must recognize the electors certified by the governor, who is a Democrat, unless the House and Senate agree otherwise. The House will not agree otherwise, and so Biden wins Pennsylvania and the White House. But Pence pounds his gavel and rules against this reading of the law, instead favoring another, which holds that Congress must discard both contested slates of electors. The garbled statute can plausibly be read either way.

With Pennsylvania’s electors disqualified, 518 electoral votes remain. If Biden holds a narrow lead among them, he again claims the presidency, because he has “the greatest number of votes,” as the Twelfth Amendment prescribes. But Republicans point out that the same amendment requires “a majority of the whole number of electors.” The whole number of electors, Pence rules, is 538, and Biden is short of the required 270.

On this argument, no one has attained the presidency, and the decision is thrown to the House, with one vote per state. If the current partisan balance holds, 26 out of 50 votes will be for Trump.

Before Pence can move on from Pennsylvania to Rhode Island, which is next on the alphabetical list as Congress counts the vote, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi expels all senators from the floor of her chamber. Now Pence is prevented from completing the count “in the presence of” the House, as the Constitution requires. Pelosi announces plans to stall indefinitely. If the count is still incomplete on Inauguration Day, the speaker herself will become acting president.

Pelosi prepares to be sworn in on January 20 unless Pence reverses his ruling and accepts that Biden won. Pence does not budge. He reconvenes the Senate in another venue, with House Republicans squeezing in, and purports to complete the count, making Trump the president-elect. Three people now have supportable claims to the Oval Office.

There are other paths in the labyrinth. Many lead to dead ends.

This is the next constitutional crisis, graver than the one three weeks before, because the law and the Constitution provide for no other authority to consult. The Supreme Court may yet intervene, but it may also shy away from another traumatizing encounter with a fundamentally political question.

Sixty-four days have passed since the election. Stalemate reigns. Two weeks remain until Inauguration Day.
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« Reply #69256 on: September 23, 2020, 05:38:07 pm »
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/what-if-trump-refuses-concede/616424/

The whole thing is a fascinating read (well, from afar at least) but just posting one bit here:


Cheers for that - nice bit of light reading!

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« Reply #69257 on: September 23, 2020, 05:53:25 pm »
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/what-if-trump-refuses-concede/616424/

The whole thing is a fascinating read (well, from afar at least) but just posting one bit here:

Great read, thanks. Other than the complicated shitshow that are US elections and government, the one most important thing I got out of that piece is that it is absolutely equally as important for Democrats to win back the Senate as it is to win the Presidency. They just have to.

Cheers for that - nice bit of light reading!

I wouldn't exactly call that light reading! I went through the scenarios in my head as I was reading it and my blood pressure rose.  ;D

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« Reply #69258 on: September 23, 2020, 06:14:02 pm »
Echo that; cheers for the link. Absolutely fascinating read.
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« Reply #69259 on: September 23, 2020, 06:23:37 pm »
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/what-if-trump-refuses-concede/616424/


I thought House of Cards got ridiculously unrealistic towards the end. Turns out the writers had no imagination....

As horrendous as this scenario would be, it wouldn't half make compulsive viewing for a few months. I'll get fuck all done.....

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« Reply #69260 on: September 23, 2020, 06:34:38 pm »
Great read, thanks. Other than the complicated shitshow that are US elections and government, the one most important thing I got out of that piece is that it is absolutely equally as important for Democrats to win back the Senate as it is to win the Presidency. They just have to.

I wouldn't exactly call that light reading! I went through the scenarios in my head as I was reading it and my blood pressure rose.  ;D

So from what I've heard about polling, the Democrats are likely to win back seats in Colorado, Arizona and Maine, but likely lose Doug Jones seat in Alabama. Where do you think are the next most likely seats to go blue to get to 50/50 or better?

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« Reply #69261 on: September 23, 2020, 06:53:55 pm »
So from what I've heard about polling, the Democrats are likely to win back seats in Colorado, Arizona and Maine, but likely lose Doug Jones seat in Alabama. Where do you think are the next most likely seats to go blue to get to 50/50 or better?

Well, out of three polls done over the last two weeks, Lindsey Graham has polled 1 point ahead in two of them and tied 48-48 in the other. So I'd say that race is a 50-50. In North Carolina, the Democratic challenger to Senator Tillis is up by 5% in the latest poll. In Iowa, the Democratic challenger to Senator Ernst (she's awful) is up by 3% in the latest poll done there. In Montana, the Democratic challenger to Senator Daines is losing by just 1% in the latest poll done there. In Michigan, the Democratic challenger to Senator Peters is up by 6% in the latest poll done there.

So, to summarize. Democrats should feel really good about Arizona, Colorado, Maine, North Carolina, Iowa, and Michigan. South Carolina, Montana and maybe one or two others (Alaska, Kansas) are still up for play as polling has them as very tight races. Alabama will see Democrats probably lose a seat though.

Unfortunately Mitch fucking McConnell is up by 15% in his race though. Even if Dems take back the Senate, we'll still get to see that c*nt for at least 5 more years.
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« Reply #69262 on: September 23, 2020, 09:58:44 pm »
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« Reply #69263 on: September 23, 2020, 10:03:25 pm »
Massive clashes with police in Louisville now re: Breonna Taylor. Violence and looting will inevitably follow by those using the situation as an excuse to stir things up. It's playing into Trump's hands.

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« Reply #69264 on: September 23, 2020, 10:05:37 pm »
Well, out of three polls done over the last two weeks, Lindsey Graham has polled 1 point ahead in two of them and tied 48-48 in the other. So I'd say that race is a 50-50. In North Carolina, the Democratic challenger to Senator Tillis is up by 5% in the latest poll. In Iowa, the Democratic challenger to Senator Ernst (she's awful) is up by 3% in the latest poll done there. In Montana, the Democratic challenger to Senator Daines is losing by just 1% in the latest poll done there. In Michigan, the Democratic challenger to Senator Peters is up by 6% in the latest poll done there.

So, to summarize. Democrats should feel really good about Arizona, Colorado, Maine, North Carolina, Iowa, and Michigan. South Carolina, Montana and maybe one or two others (Alaska, Kansas) are still up for play as polling has them as very tight races. Alabama will see Democrats probably lose a seat though.

Unfortunately Mitch fucking McConnell is up by 15% in his race though. Even if Dems take back the Senate, we'll still get to see that c*nt for at least 5 more years.

Good summary here.  Will add Georgia (both the regular and the special) to the "hopefuls" pile.  Elections will go to a runoff if no one gets 50%.  The regular election is bit of an uphill battle now (was closer earlier in the summer) with the Democratic challenger to Perdue down by about 5%.  The special election has no primary, so it's the top 2 to the run off (no one is close to 50%).  Probably unlikely but that's the election with Kelly Loeffler as the Republican incumbent, who got into all kinds of controversy with the insider trading stuff (she was also appointed as a replacement I believe for a retired senator).  Dems could get a 1 on 1 shot against her in the runoff.

At the start of the year, the chances were a lot bleaker, with Arizona and Colorado as likely gains, Alabama as a likely loss, and with Maine and North Carolina as toss-ups but still difficult, especially in Maine with a savvy incumbent.  Iowa was a possibility (Ernst's approval fell quite a bit late last year) and Michigan probably safe.  Netting +3 (with a Biden presidency) was do-able but a lot needed to fall the right way.

In the summer of this year, chances looked better.  Arizona and Colorado were still likely gains with Alabama as a likely loss, but some good momentum (that's remained) in Maine and North Carolina.  Iowa began to look good.  Georgia, South Carolina, and even Kansas got a lot closer.  Steve Bullock, the Montana governor and former Democratic presidential candidate, threw his hat into the Senate race at the last possible minute and was polling well against the Republican Daines.  There were a lot of different paths and a lot more opportunities to force the GOP into funding races and spending time in places they didn't need to.  Montana is a good example:  3 electoral votes but 1 Senate seat; Trump was polling better than Daines there.  Do you have Trump spend time there?  Holding that seat in the presidential election means little and holding that Senate seat is only table stakes.  But ignoring it and losing that seat to a Democrat would be electoral disaster for the Republicans.  The Democrats' momentum in forcing close races (South Carolina is another one) would certainly force the GOP into defending places they don't want to be spending a lot of effort (they'd rather focus on the midwest and southeast).

It's mostly held since.  Bullock looked like he was losing some steam in Montana but the latest polls now have him close again.  South Carolina and Kansas still being in play going into October is delightful for the Dems.  Georgia could remain in play.  Arizona, Colorado, Maine, North Carolina, and Iowa all look very winnable.

Big concern would be the deficit that Jones faces in Alabama and the Michigan race.  The Dem incumbent Peters should be ok in Michigan, but they can't take that race for granted.  That would be a blow to lose 2 seats (which would mean needing to gain at least 5 seats elsewhere).  It'd also be bad news for Biden on the night if a democratic incumbent was losing a senate race in Michigan.  Losing just the Alabama seat gives the Democrats a lot more options and paths to Senate control.

There was an interesting poll in each of Alaska and Mississippi recently, but given the lack of polling data there altogether, close races might not pan out.  But those would again divert GOP time and resources away from the places they had hoped to target.
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« Reply #69265 on: September 23, 2020, 10:17:40 pm »
Good summary here.  Will add Georgia (both the regular and the special) to the "hopefuls" pile.  Elections will go to a runoff if no one gets 50%.  The regular election is bit of an uphill battle now (was closer earlier in the summer) with the Democratic challenger to Perdue down by about 5%.  The special election has no primary, so it's the top 2 to the run off (no one is close to 50%).  Probably unlikely but that's the election with Kelly Loeffler as the Republican incumbent, who got into all kinds of controversy with the insider trading stuff (she was also appointed as a replacement I believe for a retired senator).  Dems could get a 1 on 1 shot against her in the runoff.

At the start of the year, the chances were a lot bleaker, with Arizona and Colorado as likely gains, Alabama as a likely loss, and with Maine and North Carolina as toss-ups but still difficult, especially in Maine with a savvy incumbent.  Iowa was a possibility (Ernst's approval fell quite a bit late last year) and Michigan probably safe.  Netting +3 (with a Biden presidency) was do-able but a lot needed to fall the right way.

In the summer of this year, chances looked better.  Arizona and Colorado were still likely gains with Alabama as a likely loss, but some good momentum (that's remained) in Maine and North Carolina.  Iowa began to look good.  Georgia, South Carolina, and even Kansas got a lot closer.  Steve Bullock, the Montana governor and former Democratic presidential candidate, threw his hat into the Senate race at the last possible minute and was polling well against the Republican Daines.  There were a lot of different paths and a lot more opportunities to force the GOP into funding races and spending time in places they didn't need to.  Montana is a good example:  3 electoral votes but 1 Senate seat; Trump was polling better than Daines there.  Do you have Trump spend time there?  Holding that seat in the presidential election means little and holding that Senate seat is only table stakes.  But ignoring it and losing that seat to a Democrat would be electoral disaster for the Republicans.  The Democrats' momentum in forcing close races (South Carolina is another one) would certainly force the GOP into defending places they don't want to be spending a lot of effort (they'd rather focus on the midwest and southeast).

It's mostly held since.  Bullock looked like he was losing some steam in Montana but the latest polls now have him close again.  South Carolina and Kansas still being in play going into October is delightful for the Dems.  Georgia could remain in play.  Arizona, Colorado, Maine, North Carolina, and Iowa all look very winnable.

Big concern would be the deficit that Jones faces in Alabama and the Michigan race.  The Dem incumbent Peters should be ok in Michigan, but they can't take that race for granted.  That would be a blow to lose 2 seats (which would mean needing to gain at least 5 seats elsewhere).  It'd also be bad news for Biden on the night if a democratic incumbent was losing a senate race in Michigan.  Losing just the Alabama seat gives the Democrats a lot more options and paths to Senate control.

There was an interesting poll in each of Alaska and Mississippi recently, but given the lack of polling data there altogether, close races might not pan out.  But those would again divert GOP time and resources away from the places they had hoped to target.

And an even better summary here.  ;D

Personally I think they'll regain control of the Senate. Republicans are hell bent on getting Trump reelected and they seem to be focusing solely on that. So much so that at times they seem to be forgetting about all the other elections which their candidates may end up losing. When is the last time Trump mentioned any of those races or talked about voting down ballot? It's all about him of course. And if Democrats run on healthcare like they did in 2018, they'll win again. Obamacare could be abolished in November. They won back control of the House because they made it all about healthcare, and they should repeat that message.

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« Reply #69267 on: September 23, 2020, 10:36:18 pm »




Cheers both of you. Looks a lot more optimistic than I thought. I remember looking at Nate Silvers site or a similar one a while back and aside from Colorado, Arizona and Maine they all seemed to be lean republican at best. Things do seen to have changed a lot since then.
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« Reply #69268 on: September 23, 2020, 10:42:56 pm »
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/what-if-trump-refuses-concede/616424/

I meant to mention this earler, it is a great read but depressing read on what may be.
This part towards the end underpinned measures to prevent what is looming.

If you are a voter, think about voting in person after all. More than half a million postal votes were rejected in this year’s primaries, even without Trump trying to suppress them. If you are at relatively low risk for COVID-19, volunteer to work at the polls. If you know people who are open to reason, spread word that it is normal for the results to keep changing after Election Night. If you manage news coverage, anticipate extra­constitutional measures, and position reporters and crews to respond to them. If you are an election administrator, plan for contingencies you never had to imagine before. If you are a mayor, consider how to deploy your police to ward off interlopers with bad intent. If you are a law-enforcement officer, protect the freedom to vote. If you are a legislator, choose not to participate in chicanery. If you are a judge on the bench in a battleground state, refresh your acquaintance with election case law. If you have a place in the military chain of command, remember your duty to turn aside unlawful orders. If you are a civil servant, know that your country needs you more than ever to do the right thing when you’re asked to do otherwise.
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« Reply #69270 on: September 24, 2020, 12:22:50 am »
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Question from @BrianKarem: Do you commit to making sure there is a peaceful transfer of power?

President Trump: We're going to have to see what happens.

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President Trump: "Get rid of the ballots and we'll have a very peaceful — there won't be a transfer, frankly. There will be a continuation."
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« Reply #69271 on: September 24, 2020, 02:02:24 am »
Fascism pure and simple

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This week, we’ve had the president refusing to commit to a peaceful transfer of power, the president celebrating state violence against journalists, and the president’s campaign running videos calling for an “army” of “able-bodied” people to join an “election security” squad.

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« Reply #69272 on: September 24, 2020, 02:59:33 am »
The Romney thing is hilarious.  People thought his impeachment vote was meaningful and praised him for it.   He was already hated by Trumpites and it was a dead vote.  Amazed that anyone expected anything other than whats happening. He's still a very rich, very conservative, very religious white American.  This is the same fuck that admitted that half the country dont matter because they wouldn't vote for him.
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« Reply #69273 on: September 24, 2020, 04:20:14 am »
Fantastic piece on the dangers of the upcoming election in The Atlantic. It's long so I won't post it all, but here's an excerpt:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/what-if-trump-refuses-concede/616424/

The Election That Could Break America

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A lot of people, including Joe Biden, the Democratic Party nominee, have mis­conceived the nature of the threat. They frame it as a concern, unthinkable for presidents past, that Trump might refuse to vacate the Oval Office if he loses. They generally conclude, as Biden has, that in that event the proper authorities “will escort him from the White House with great dispatch.”

The worst case, however, is not that Trump rejects the election outcome. The worst case is that he uses his power to prevent a decisive outcome against him. If Trump sheds all restraint, and if his Republican allies play the parts he assigns them, he could obstruct the emergence of a legally unambiguous victory for Biden in the Electoral College and then in Congress. He could prevent the formation of consensus about whether there is any outcome at all. He could seize on that un­certainty to hold on to power.

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« Reply #69274 on: September 24, 2020, 07:02:45 am »
Fantastic piece on the dangers of the upcoming election in The Atlantic. It's long so I won't post it all, but here's an excerpt:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/what-if-trump-refuses-concede/616424/

The Election That Could Break America


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« Reply #69275 on: September 24, 2020, 07:15:29 am »
I’m looking at the positives here. He refuses to leave, eventually one way or another he is removed, and then he can be locked up for treason and seditious conspiracy ie trying to overthrow the US Government and spends the rest of his life in there.

A Ceaușescu style trial and execution would be more deserving. Karma almost.
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« Reply #69276 on: September 24, 2020, 09:26:28 am »
I’m looking at the positives here. He refuses to leave, eventually one way or another he is removed, and then he can be locked up for treason and seditious conspiracy ie trying to overthrow the US Government and spends the rest of his life in there.

Just looking at the state of him, it`s highly unlikely that this fella ever sees jail time.
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« Reply #69277 on: September 24, 2020, 09:45:21 am »
I wonder if they will still proclaim themselves to be the greatest democracy in the world after all of this?
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« Reply #69278 on: September 24, 2020, 10:17:45 am »
Fascism pure and simple

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« Reply #69279 on: September 24, 2020, 10:33:21 am »
Goebbels and Himmler 101 playbook from 1933/34

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