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Re: Curtis Jones - no issues with self confidence
« Reply #160 on: January 6, 2020, 01:34:52 am »
Any gif of the goal?

Whatta strike!  Stevie would have been proud of that!
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Re: Curtis Jones - no issues with self confidence
« Reply #162 on: January 6, 2020, 01:38:49 am »
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Re: Curtis Jones - no issues with self confidence
« Reply #164 on: January 6, 2020, 02:30:15 am »


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Re: Curtis Jones - no issues with self confidence
« Reply #165 on: January 6, 2020, 02:46:23 am »
I just noticed the advertising boards switch to carlsberg as it goes in....

They dont do derby goals, but if they did...

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Re: Curtis Jones - no issues with self confidence
« Reply #166 on: January 6, 2020, 03:07:21 am »
I’m likely in the extreme minority on this but I think he should go out on loan, but not until after the next fa cup game.  He’s not going to get much playing time this year and he is obviously ready for some first team football. A loan at a decent championship club could get him some much needed experience this year with, potentially, the view to being a squad player next year.

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« Reply #167 on: January 6, 2020, 03:17:27 am »
I’m likely in the extreme minority on this but I think he should go out on loan, but not until after the next fa cup game.  He’s not going to get much playing time this year and he is obviously ready for some first team football. A loan at a decent championship club could get him some much needed experience this year with, potentially, the view to being a squad player next year.

I agreed with you on the loan him out bit, but I think he should go to team that are better than Championship, Bundesliga could be an option. Even teams like Villa or Bournemouth that are hampered by injury crisis can surely use a talented midfielder like him.
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Re: Curtis Jones - no issues with self confidence
« Reply #168 on: January 6, 2020, 03:18:36 am »
I’m likely in the extreme minority on this but I think he should go out on loan, but not until after the next fa cup game.  He’s not going to get much playing time this year and he is obviously ready for some first team football. A loan at a decent championship club could get him some much needed experience this year with, potentially, the view to being a squad player next year.

Harry Wilson has picked up niggling injuries while on loan at Bournemouth. If we win #7 this year and stay in the FA Cup there will be plenty of opportunities for Curtis to stay here and be a good squad player for us this year and next. Win the CL and we'll be playing the CWC again in December, with the same fixture headaches and the need for a bigger squad.

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Re: Curtis Jones - no issues with self confidence
« Reply #169 on: January 6, 2020, 04:22:01 am »
I’m likely in the extreme minority on this but I think he should go out on loan, but not until after the next fa cup game.  He’s not going to get much playing time this year and he is obviously ready for some first team football. A loan at a decent championship club could get him some much needed experience this year with, potentially, the view to being a squad player next year.

Yeah I was thinking the same, but I'm more in two minds about it.

The question is, at his current level, what are we look for for him, in a loan?

Because we've seen Harry Wilson and Marko Grujic do very well on their respective loans, and I think no doubt demonstrate that they're players that can play in top level football, but it's not necessarily clear that they will have a future at Liverpool.

I think we're at a point in the club now where we're sophisticated enough with our recruitment and squad building that success on loan as a young player doesn't necessarily guarantee you anything back at the club - and in fact, even showing that you are a 20-30m player, only tells us that you're good enough to be sold for 20-30m.

So are we looking for Curtis Jones to show what Grujic and Wilson have shown - i.e. the ability to perform at a good level elsewhere? If so, I think a loan is a good idea.

But I also suspect that we think he might have already demonstrated that internally. If that's the case, the next question is whether we think he's a good fit for the way we play. If not, I think a loan is still a good idea, because it raises his value and we can sell him down the track. If we think he is a good fit, and he's good enough to play at the top level, I think we should be figuring out a way for him to play more games and gradually be integrated into the squad.

I suspect the latter is the more likely trajectory for him. If we manage to maintain this lead and have the league sewn up with a few games to go, I think he and Elliott will both start games at the end of the season, in addition to the next couple of cup games, fixtures willing. That would be a much better outcome than sending him on loan.

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Re: Curtis Jones - no issues with self confidence
« Reply #170 on: January 6, 2020, 09:16:25 am »
What?

It may not be good for us, but top German teams wanting to give first team game time for young english players can be the best thing that's happened to the best young players in England in like, ever.

It is good but the point is it can lead to more impatience. Klopp made the point after the game that if Jones was at a big German club he'd be in the youth team (albeit in the lower leagues for their B team).

Sancho is an outlier. I remember Kent going to Freiburg and not getting a game .
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Re: Curtis Jones - no issues with self confidence
« Reply #171 on: January 6, 2020, 09:17:19 am »
Klopp on Curtis: 'He will be a Liverpool player, 100%'

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On Jones’ winning goal…

Absolutely, I love it. I must say one thing, because everybody asks me about Curtis Jones but there were so many extremely good performances tonight. The goal was exceptional and the boy is an outstanding player. But I cannot understand why nobody asked me so far about Pedro Chirivella, Neco Williams or Yasser Larouci. Is this a sign we want to give the boys? You have to score, otherwise we ignore you?

Let me speak about Curtis – an unbelievable player, Scouser, very confident, can’t wait to play in the first team. Good, rightly so. He is in a very good way. I’ve known him three-and-a-half years, he made big steps, will be a Liverpool player if nothing strange happens, 100 per cent. Great. That he scores that goal, I’m not surprised. That he scores this kind of goal, I’m not surprised. He is for these situations and still a lot to learn and improve. But sometimes we forget it as well in training, he is 18. Unbelievable. In Germany, because of a different system, he would still play one year 100 per cent in the youth team and nowhere else. Here, he is around the first team. I like that the boys used all our patterns tonight to cause Everton problems. It was brilliant, absolutely brilliant.

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Re: Curtis Jones - no issues with self confidence
« Reply #172 on: January 6, 2020, 09:47:25 am »
Relive Jones' stunning Liverpool goal from all angles

Watch 18-year-old Curtis Jones' spectacular winning goal for Liverpool against Everton in the FA Cup from all the angles.

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Re: Curtis Jones - no issues with self confidence
« Reply #173 on: January 6, 2020, 09:56:44 am »
I just noticed the advertising boards switch to carlsberg as it goes in....

They dont do derby goals, but if they did...

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Re: Curtis Jones - no issues with self confidence
« Reply #174 on: January 6, 2020, 10:36:07 am »
What a Proboscis monkey on Borneo thought of Curtis’s shot.
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Re: Curtis Jones - no issues with self confidence
« Reply #175 on: January 6, 2020, 10:59:22 am »

Those arms though...

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Re: Curtis Jones - no issues with self confidence
« Reply #176 on: January 6, 2020, 11:39:49 am »
I just don't see him getting many games if all the first teamers are fit. The likes of Ox, Lallana, Shaq and Keita are finding themselves being rotated then Jones will find it even harder for game time. He's too good for u23 level, I would be happy with him going on loan to a top half team in the Championship, regular games against proper opposition. You can make arguments for him to stay but if he's playing one game a month let's get him a loan where he'll possibly make 15-20 appearances before the season is over.
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Re: Curtis Jones - no issues with self confidence
« Reply #178 on: January 6, 2020, 12:11:37 pm »
We have some great prospects coming through and this guy is at the top of the queue.
Great to boot he is a scouser.
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« Reply #179 on: January 6, 2020, 12:15:20 pm »
I just don't see him getting many games if all the first teamers are fit. The likes of Ox, Lallana, Shaq and Keita are finding themselves being rotated then Jones will find it even harder for game time. He's too good for u23 level, I would be happy with him going on loan to a top half team in the Championship, regular games against proper opposition. You can make arguments for him to stay but if he's playing one game a month let's get him a loan where he'll possibly make 15-20 appearances before the season is over.

he's not going to play a lot of first team game right now - and that's why I believe that I'm the one that originally made the suggestion yesterday that he should still seek a loan around January 31st (i.e. after another FA Cup game) - so he can play against stronger competition week in and week out.

Our midfield: Henderson, Wijnaldum, Lallana, Ox, Fabinho, Keita, Milner

Fab is more or less back and now that Lallana is fit that only leaves Keita and Milner to return. That's 5 or 6 mids ahead of him - I don't see him getting starts in the PL (until that thing happens) and certainly not the CL.

I am almost certain he is being groomed to be in the squad in the fall.
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Re: Curtis Jones - no issues with self confidence
« Reply #180 on: January 6, 2020, 12:49:28 pm »


The first-touch, killing just the right amount of pace off the rolling ball to set up the finish, was at least as impressive as the actual finish, if not more so. That's technique.

And watch Origi. He nods his head right away after the shot goes in the goal. A goal good enough that Big Div did not have to remind himself to celebrate. Impressive... ;D
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Re: Curtis Jones - no issues with self confidence
« Reply #181 on: January 6, 2020, 01:41:28 pm »
He looks a good prospect but we have said that about many a youngster in recent years (including one that also scored against Everton at a very young age IIRC). Playing consistently well in a Liverpool midfield is probably one of the most demanding roles in world football given how dependent our system is on everybody doing the right things in the right moments.

I wish him well on his path going forward and hope that he has the patience and right guidance to make the right career choices. I think it would be best if he stayed around and trained with the first team for another season to continue his development in-house. Klopp will see him everyday and continue to work with him and opportunities will come aplenty given injuries and sheer number of games.

Lad needs to stay patient though. He is 18 FFS.
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« Reply #182 on: January 6, 2020, 02:28:30 pm »
The first-touch, killing just the right amount of pace off the rolling ball to set up the finish, was at least as impressive as the actual finish, if not more so. That's technique.

And watch Origi. He nods his head right away after the shot goes in the goal. A goal good enough that Big Div did not have to remind himself to celebrate. Impressive... ;D
I like how when it's obviously going in Origi just starts casually walking over to Jones as though they were just going to politely celebrate with a handshake.

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Re: Curtis Jones - no issues with self confidence
« Reply #183 on: January 6, 2020, 02:44:11 pm »
He looks a good prospect but we have said that about many a youngster in recent years (including one that also scored against Everton at a very young age IIRC). Playing consistently well in a Liverpool midfield is probably one of the most demanding roles in world football given how dependent our system is on everybody doing the right things in the right moments.

I wish him well on his path going forward and hope that he has the patience and right guidance to make the right career choices. I think it would be best if he stayed around and trained with the first team for another season to continue his development in-house. Klopp will see him everyday and continue to work with him and opportunities will come aplenty given injuries and sheer number of games.

Lad needs to stay patient though. He is 18 FFS.
Yep, agree with that - although he's almost 19 now, but still very young. Besides if Lallana does leave in the summer (although just speculation) there is a good chance the lad will get more game time in the next couple of seasons.

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« Reply #184 on: January 6, 2020, 03:59:06 pm »
It would do these youngsters well to remember, first, that they are still teenagers and there is plenty of time to make that breakthrough. Klopp has their best interests at heart and knows when is the right time. Today was the perfect time for Curtis. And he thrived and scored the match winner.  Put kids in big games before they're ready and it can be detrimental in the long term. So they must Trust their manager. This is where Gerrard`s cousin's lack of patience got the better of him.

The thing with the Sancho point is a player like Duncan probably looks at that and thinks well i'll go abroad and play regularly in a big league and make a name for myself which is fantasy really at 18 unless you're a genunely elite talent. Rather than going on loan to an EFL team who'll actually give you game time and then see where he is after that (Tammy Abraham/Harry Kane examples who then went on to be first choice at Chelsea and Spurs after productive loans. Sancho himself had to bide his time for a while at Dortmund.

Trent was in the right place at the right time because we weren't a great side then and the right back position was up for grabs and he took it. I think a position is there in midfield over the next couple of seasons if Jones is prepared to bide his time. Foden is a case in point, he's waited and is slowly becoming a regular. If Klopp for example went out and signed Coutinho back for 70 mill then that'd be the time for Jones to really wonder.

If we can win the league this season it'll be a real monkey off the club's back and Klopp might feel more free to take risks by giving more youngsters games outside of domestic cups.

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Re: Curtis Jones - no issues with self confidence
« Reply #185 on: January 6, 2020, 04:30:44 pm »
The thing with the Sancho point is a player like Duncan probably looks at that and thinks well i'll go abroad and play regularly in a big league and make a name for myself which is fantasy really at 18 unless you're a genunely elite talent. Rather than going on loan to an EFL team who'll actually give you game time and then see where he is after that (Tammy Abraham/Harry Kane examples who then went on to be first choice at Chelsea and Spurs after productive loans. Sancho himself had to bide his time for a while at Dortmund.

Trent was in the right place at the right time because we weren't a great side then and the right back position was up for grabs and he took it. I think a position is there in midfield over the next couple of seasons if Jones is prepared to bide his time. Foden is a case in point, he's waited and is slowly becoming a regular. If Klopp for example went out and signed Coutinho back for 70 mill then that'd be the time for Jones to really wonder.

If we can win the league this season it'll be a real monkey off the club's back and Klopp might feel more free to take risks by giving more youngsters games outside of domestic cups.
The majority of football league loans end up being pretty crap for players like Duncan as well. The loan system is not grear because clubs need short term results but parent clubs/academy players need long term investment. It's good that a lot more players are looking for permanent moves abroard. They won't all work out in the same way staying in England isn't a gurantee.

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Re: Curtis Jones - no issues with self confidence
« Reply #186 on: January 6, 2020, 04:41:38 pm »
The majority of football league loans end up being pretty crap for players like Duncan as well. The loan system is not grear because clubs need short term results but parent clubs/academy players need long term investment. It's good that a lot more players are looking for permanent moves abroard. They won't all work out in the same way staying in England isn't a gurantee.

That's why the club advised him to stay another year. But if he insisted on going it should have been to somewhere where he might have actually got a game.

It can go either way. Herbie Kane one of the best players in League One last season. Arguably the best player in League One at the moment is Callum Brannagan, but when we sent him on loan there a couple of years ago he couldn't get a game.
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Re: Curtis Jones - no issues with self confidence
« Reply #187 on: January 6, 2020, 05:02:06 pm »
Who is the Everton player taking a quick power nap in that gif?
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Re: Curtis Jones - no issues with self confidence
« Reply #188 on: January 6, 2020, 05:23:16 pm »
I would send him to Leeds for a good year.

Bielsa has a great record of developing young players, reckon Curtis would develop tremendously under him and be ready for Kloppball after a year or so.

To develop here he needs a run of games and it'd be so difficult to do in midfield then it was for Trent at RB who took advantage of Clyne's injury.

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« Reply #189 on: January 6, 2020, 05:27:48 pm »
Who is the Everton player taking a quick power nap in that gif?

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« Reply #190 on: January 6, 2020, 05:59:01 pm »
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« Reply #191 on: January 6, 2020, 06:12:04 pm »
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Re: Curtis Jones - no issues with self confidence
« Reply #192 on: January 6, 2020, 11:31:01 pm »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/51000472

The editor must be a Red - i mean, come onnn....what other reason could there have been to see one goal from so many angles :D

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« Reply #193 on: January 7, 2020, 12:59:24 am »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/51000472

The editor must be a Red - i mean, come onnn....what other reason could there have been to see one goal from so many angles :D

Salah-esque strike.
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More like Trent in terms of body shape. He really wrapped himself around that ball.
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Re: Curtis Jones - no issues with self confidence
« Reply #194 on: January 7, 2020, 04:35:47 am »
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Trent was in the right place at the right time because we weren't a great side then and the right back position was up for grabs and he took it. I think a position is there in midfield over the next couple of seasons if Jones is prepared to bide his time. Foden is a case in point, he's waited and is slowly becoming a regular. If Klopp for example went out and signed Coutinho back for 70 mill then that'd be the time for Jones to really wonder.

Trent's chance was accelerated because Clyne missed an entire year of football due to a back injury.

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« Reply #195 on: January 7, 2020, 06:00:18 am »
More like Trent in terms of body shape. He really wrapped himself around that ball.

It reminded me of Coutinho.

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Re: Curtis Jones - no issues with self confidence
« Reply #196 on: January 7, 2020, 07:12:12 am »
The thing with the Sancho point is a player like Duncan probably looks at that and thinks well i'll go abroad and play regularly in a big league and make a name for myself which is fantasy really at 18 unless you're a genunely elite talent. Rather than going on loan to an EFL team who'll actually give you game time and then see where he is after that (Tammy Abraham/Harry Kane examples who then went on to be first choice at Chelsea and Spurs after productive loans. Sancho himself had to bide his time for a while at Dortmund.

Trent was in the right place at the right time because we weren't a great side then and the right back position was up for grabs and he took it. I think a position is there in midfield over the next couple of seasons if Jones is prepared to bide his time. Foden is a case in point, he's waited and is slowly becoming a regular.

If Klopp for example went out and signed Coutinho back for 70 mill then that'd be the time for Jones to really wonder.

If we can win the league this season it'll be a real monkey off the club's back and Klopp might feel more free to take risks by giving more youngsters games outside of domestic cups.



Is Foden a regular? He's made something like 3 starts this season?
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Re: Curtis Jones - no issues with self confidence
« Reply #197 on: January 7, 2020, 07:26:56 am »
Is Foden a regular? He's made something like 3 starts this season?

He's made a lot of starts in the last month in all comps.
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Re: Curtis Jones - no issues with self confidence
« Reply #198 on: January 7, 2020, 09:52:39 am »
Love his ambition and confidence to say he is frustrated at not getting more chances. He seems to have the attitude and self belief to push on.

Is Foden a regular? He's made something like 3 starts this season?

As James Richardson put it on the Totally Football show:

"It's FA cup 3rd round weekend, where we get to watch electricians, builders and Phil Foden take to the field"

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Re: Curtis Jones - no issues with self confidence
« Reply #199 on: January 7, 2020, 10:48:33 am »
He's made a lot of starts in the last month in all comps.

2 starts in the PL, 2 starts in the CL.

11 games in the PL, but only 232 minutes on the pitch.  186 minutes of Champions League.

3 full League Cup games and one full FA Cup game.