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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #120 on: July 22, 2017, 08:28:22 am »
Welcome and good luck Andy.

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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #121 on: July 22, 2017, 08:29:02 am »
After watching that video, even though he hardly ever uses his right foot Im encouraged how often he comes inside (no pun intended) and not just always trying to go round the outside, thus making him far more unpredictable and a greater threat going forward rather than just being hopefully solid in defence - plus of course he can ping in some great left-footed crosses - might improve our corner taking too

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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #122 on: July 22, 2017, 08:45:45 am »
Welcome to the club Andy, good luck  :thumbup

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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #123 on: July 22, 2017, 11:20:43 am »
realy important signing, welcome!! :)

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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #124 on: July 22, 2017, 11:21:57 am »
Seems like a good lad. For his 21st birthday, he asked that people donate to food banks instead of giving him prezzies.

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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #125 on: July 22, 2017, 12:00:54 pm »
After watching that video, even though he hardly ever uses his right foot Im encouraged how often he comes inside (no pun intended) and not just always trying to go round the outside, thus making him far more unpredictable and a greater threat going forward rather than just being hopefully solid in defence

Yes I liked it how he didn't only stay out wide, he could drive inside as well.

Watched him interview video on the official site.  I don't usually like new player interviews, as they just give stock answers.  I found his refreshing, he was honest, seems bright and hungry.

I wasn't too sure when we were first linked with him.  But I have come round to it and think he could do very well here.

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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #126 on: July 22, 2017, 12:16:35 pm »
Yes I liked it how he didn't only stay out wide, he could drive inside as well.

Watched him interview video on the official site.  I don't usually like new player interviews, as they just give stock answers.  I found his refreshing, he was honest, seems bright and hungry.

I wasn't too sure when we were first linked with him.  But I have come round to it and think he could do very well here.

I think what happens is before a player has signed the question is "Of all left backs in the world, why him".

When a player has signed though, you look at them in isolation, what they bring to the club and ask if they seem like someone who could do the job they are signed for.

Robertson isnīt Mendy. He wonīt make the Liverpool team much better in FIFA. But we were never going to break our transfer record for a left back. We need to add players to our spine and that is always a far more important investment of big money. So getting in a player who looks a potential upgrade on what we have for a low cost is good business. His age is a huge plus too. Yet another in that 22-25 category which means over the next 2-4 years they will all be in their peaks together here.

That reminds me a little of Ferguson who would often recycle a team and start again every so often and aim to have a group always peaking at the same time built around a core of stalwarts like Giggs, Scholes, etc. Squad building is something few managers do nowadays because none of them will be at the club long enough to see those seeds grow and blossom. They just buy for the right now. Refreshing to see Klopp isnīt going down that path even if it doesnīt placate some. In the long run, we will be far more success and sustainable this way than just thinking about what a player gives us today & tomorrow.
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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #127 on: July 22, 2017, 12:43:32 pm »
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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #128 on: July 22, 2017, 01:20:36 pm »
I think what happens is before a player has signed the question is "Of all left backs in the world, why him".

When a player has signed though, you look at them in isolation, what they bring to the club and ask if they seem like someone who could do the job they are signed for.

Robertson isnīt Mendy. He wonīt make the Liverpool team much better in FIFA. But we were never going to break our transfer record for a left back.

Well I'm not like that at all.  So no, you're wrong there.

I don't care how much we pay for player or which clubs they come from.  I look at the players qualities and see what they can offer.  I have also been one of the defenders of Milner on here, so I didn't expect a Mendy type signing for LB.  I wanted competition and someone ideally left footed.

He just never stood out to me when I watched Hull, but then again I wasn't looing out for him or anyone in particular when I did watch them and I don't watch Hull too often.

I watched some of those every touch compilations  on YouTube and I was not impressed.  I saw some stats on twitter - they didn't show him in a good light.  So I wasn't sure of the signing when we were initially linked.

But doing some further research.  I have since watched different every touch compilations on YouTube and he performed much better (for example his match vs Arsenal last season, compared to the Man u one - he looks like a completely different player).  I have read more on him, watched a lot and I have changed my tune. 

I'm not going to expect fireworks.  But I don't want fireworks from a LB.  I hope he can be solid defensively and contribute to our attack.  I feel more confident he can do that having watched him more.

It was nothing to do with the reasons you suggest.  I merely hadn't seen enough of him and what I had seen were probably some of his weaker performances it seems.  Like you did with Cavani. 

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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #129 on: July 22, 2017, 02:13:03 pm »
Klopp has a terrific record of moulding decent players into excellent full backs, and I think what they tend to have in common is a good footballing head. I suspect Robertson will do absolutely fine here.
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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #130 on: July 22, 2017, 02:14:26 pm »
Well I'm not like that at all.  So no, you're wrong there.

I don't care how much we pay for player or which clubs they come from.  I look at the players qualities and see what they can offer.  I have also been one of the defenders of Milner on here, so I didn't expect a Mendy type signing for LB.  I wanted competition and someone ideally left footed.

He just never stood out to me when I watched Hull, but then again I wasn't looing out for him or anyone in particular when I did watch them and I don't watch Hull too often.

I watched some of those every touch compilations  on YouTube and I was not impressed.  I saw some stats on twitter - they didn't show him in a good light.  So I wasn't sure of the signing when we were initially linked.

But doing some further research.  I have since watched different every touch compilations on YouTube and he performed much better (for example his match vs Arsenal last season, compared to the Man u one - he looks like a completely different player).  I have read more on him, watched a lot and I have changed my tune. 

I'm not going to expect fireworks.  But I don't want fireworks from a LB.  I hope he can be solid defensively and contribute to our attack.  I feel more confident he can do that having watched him more.

It was nothing to do with the reasons you suggest.  I merely hadn't seen enough of him and what I had seen were probably some of his weaker performances it seems.  Like you did with Cavani.

Apologies, I was more talking generally about why a fan base shifts from an underwhelmed feeling to one of hope rather than singling out anybody in particular. I know it doesnīt seem like that when you reply to specific person but Iīm not a mind reader, itīs just my perception of things having seen a lot of similar transfers across a variety of clubs. I think a fan base has itīs hopes on  certain players (Sessegnon / Mendy) up until the moment that becomes impossible and we sign someone else. At that point most of them seem to switch their focus to the player we are getting rather than who else we could have got. Most do anyway.

I think I saw the match you are talking about with Arsenal btw and itīs one of the games I remember where he wasnīt beaten by pace despite coming up against some very quick,agile players who cause problems to most, like Bellarin.

For defenders you cannot tell much until you watch them in games over a period of time. Compilations donīt really show you when full backs just go missing on the pitch and it costs you goals. This is something I noticed with Moreno when he signed. You would watch compilations and see him killing it up and down that left flank and winning every 1-v-1 race and physical battle. He looks great. You watch him live though and notice his positioning, awareness, decision making and composure are all off. He gets lost up the pitch sometimes when a player drifts into a dangerous space behind him and doesnīt seem to spot him. This indicates he isnīt scanning enough. Compare to someone like Xabi Alonso whose head never stops moving. Nobody will ever drift in behind him unnoticed.

So there are lots of red flags that I would probably have picked up on Moreno if I sat down and watched him 10 straight games that you donīt get from youtube videos. All his problems were coachable though so it doesnīt mean we shouldnīt have signed him. The most surprising thing is all these problems he has persist and in some cases worsen the longer he is here. Shame.

Robertson though seems something very different. When you step up a level or to a new league itīs easy to feel out of your depth. You have a few bad moments where a typical player of that level/league makes you look stupid and then you go into your shell a little. Question yourself, your ability, can you be the same player here. Before you know it you are playing safe, stop taking risks, go missing in games because thatīs better than demanding the ball and then fucking up, right? Yet Robertson seems to be stepping up to a new challenge year on year. From semi-pro scottish football to scottish premiership football. From Scotland to England. Then International level. Then Championship to Premiership. This will be another big step for him again but Iīve no doubt that wonīt be a problem. Some people donīt let those doubts seep into their mind. Karius is another who just have that unwavering confidence in himself that I like.

For those reasons I think Robertson will be a solid player for us. Who knows what level who could step up to also. Throughout his career he has gone from "heīll be out of his depth at this level" to "heīs a cut above everyone else at this level" in a short space of time. Thatīs a big ask at a club like Liverpool but he clearly sets the bar for himself very very high. He wonīt be happy with just getting into the team for sure. He wonīt rest on his laurels. He has all the signs of being a real player.
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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #131 on: July 22, 2017, 02:29:42 pm »
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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #132 on: July 22, 2017, 04:01:39 pm »
I welcome the lad, I hope he does well here.

We needed a Scot in the team.
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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #133 on: July 22, 2017, 06:09:41 pm »
when is his first game in red?

cant wait to see him on the pitch.

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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #134 on: July 22, 2017, 06:13:11 pm »
A left back with a left foot  .  Welcome lad.

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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #135 on: July 22, 2017, 06:32:09 pm »
I welcome the lad, I hope he does well here.

We needed a Scot in the team.

When was the last time we won the title without a scot in our team? xD

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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #136 on: July 22, 2017, 07:13:10 pm »
when is his first game in red?

cant wait to see him on the pitch.
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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #137 on: July 22, 2017, 08:25:35 pm »
when is his first game in red?

cant wait to see him on the pitch.

Next week against Hertha Berlin if Jurgen chooses him.

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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #138 on: July 22, 2017, 10:23:54 pm »
love that interview from the website. I know Klopp must have been impressed with the lads hunger and ambition during the talks.

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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #139 on: July 23, 2017, 12:51:08 pm »
I think I saw the match you are talking about with Arsenal btw and itīs one of the games I remember where he wasnīt beaten by pace despite coming up against some very quick,agile players who cause problems to most, like Bellarin.

For defenders you cannot tell much until you watch them in games over a period of time. Compilations donīt really show you when full backs just go missing on the pitch and it costs you goals. This is something I noticed with Moreno when he signed. You would watch compilations and see him killing it up and down that left flank and winning every 1-v-1 race and physical battle. He looks great. You watch him live though and notice his positioning, awareness, decision making and composure are all off. He gets lost up the pitch sometimes when a player drifts into a dangerous space behind him and doesnīt seem to spot him. This indicates he isnīt scanning enough. Compare to someone like Xabi Alonso whose head never stops moving. Nobody will ever drift in behind him unnoticed.

So there are lots of red flags that I would probably have picked up on Moreno if I sat down and watched him 10 straight games that you donīt get from youtube videos. All his problems were coachable though so it doesnīt mean we shouldnīt have signed him. The most surprising thing is all these problems he has persist and in some cases worsen the longer he is here. Shame.

Yeah that Arsenal game he was very impressive from what I saw.  Good defensively, showed his pace on the turn when dealing with Walcott.  Good use of the ball, able to deal in tight situations and great energy to get forward.  He was positive in his play.

But I watch a Man U one and I was not impressed with his use of the ball, for example, compared to that Arsenal match. 

I agree with the bolded part.  You need to watch full games to get a true judgement and one over many games.

What I like about those every involvement comps, be it a tackle, pass, interception etc. is you can get a rough idea of certain things, like how they pass.

I did the same for Moreno and the videos I watched I thought he looked very good going forward but defensively he was lacking and sadly that opinion hasn't really changed, although I think attacking-wise he wasn't quite as good as I hoped.  The videos I watched did pick up the flaws in Moreno, but probably not all of them for the reasons you gave.

Anyway, I agree with you on Robertson - just took a little longer for me to come round.  ;D

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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #140 on: July 23, 2017, 03:22:40 pm »
I'll be the first to admit that I'm not overwhelmed by excitement, but I'm not the manager: Jürgen is, and if they've seen stuff the stats don't indicate then fine!

If not it's still an inexpensive gamble on a player who could yet only be halfway to his ceiling. I'm of the opinion that to develop a full-back into an asset is far easier than any other position as long as the player isn't unintelligent in his decision-making. I still think Milner will be first-choice and deservedly so on the back of last season, especially in those big games when he really stepped it up.

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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #141 on: July 23, 2017, 03:54:13 pm »
Milner for me does stay wide.  But Robertson will be able to get the ball, get a yard, or show a bit of pace and put in some good first time balls with his strong foot.  Milner would be crossing with his weak foot in those situations.







I quite like it how he will drive inside though if the space is there.  Something Riise used to do well for us at his best.  He's got the energy, pace and skill to do that. 





But most importantly I did like this example of defending on Walcott.  A one / two can be one of the toughest parts to deal with.  Especially against a quick player like Walcott and the full back really has to be quick on the turn.  I'd fancy Robertson to be quicker on the turn than Milner:





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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #142 on: July 23, 2017, 04:01:04 pm »
I'll be the first to admit that I'm not overwhelmed by excitement, but I'm not the manager: Jürgen is, and if they've seen stuff the stats don't indicate then fine!

If not it's still an inexpensive gamble on a player who could yet only be halfway to his ceiling. I'm of the opinion that to develop a full-back into an asset is far easier than any other position as long as the player isn't unintelligent in his decision-making. I still think Milner will be first-choice and deservedly so on the back of last season, especially in those big games when he really stepped it up.

Good luck to Andrew and hope you're going to prove me wrong  :)

Stats indicate heīs a good player at defending the wide areas of the pitch actually.






I havenīt looked at his attacking metrics but then full backs who play in defensive teams rarely put up good numbers there considering Robertsonīs average possession per game would be 3% of the total compared to around 10% for Milner.

Comparing Robertson to someone like Marcos Alonso at Sunderland when he was the same age for example:-

Player   Goals   Assists   Dribbles/90   Key Pass/90   Crosses/90   Passes/90    ThruBall/90    Pass Accuracy
Robertson      1    2    0,80    0,60   0,60      37,30    0,00    76,00%
Alonso 13/14      0    1    1,00    1,10   0,80      38,80    0,00    71,90%


And bear in mind, Alonso was the freekick and corner taker for that Sunderland team which makes up a large amount of his creative output. Robertson took just 9 corners last season total.
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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #143 on: July 23, 2017, 04:03:26 pm »
I take it he'll get a game in Germany?

Edit - just saw the post above.

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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #144 on: July 23, 2017, 04:15:50 pm »
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« Reply #145 on: July 23, 2017, 10:30:50 pm »
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« Reply #147 on: July 24, 2017, 05:31:48 am »
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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #148 on: July 24, 2017, 12:18:31 pm »
Seen him quite a lot, he's excellent going forward. I remember watching him having just signed for Hull from Scotland and I couldn't believe how good he was. He took to the Prem as a 20 year old so well and I think he'll handle this step up.  I'd get him straight in there, no brainer for me. Get Milner back in and around the midfield, Flanagan can be cover for LB and RB.

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« Reply #149 on: July 24, 2017, 12:42:51 pm »
His blocked crosses stat is quite handy, up there close to Milner actually. Think that's pretty much the bread and butter for us in terms of defending from wide areas.

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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #150 on: July 24, 2017, 01:07:55 pm »
Seems a good lad. Glad we've got some proper competition for Milner. Nice to have a Scot in the squad.

Also if anyone needs any more convincing that Graeme Kelly is a piece of wank, he said that Robertson would wear the #3. On the topic of his number, lets hope he does better than our previous 26's.

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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #151 on: July 24, 2017, 01:12:13 pm »
Seems a good lad. Glad we've got some proper competition for Milner. Nice to have a Scot in the squad.

Also if anyone needs any more convincing that Graeme Kelly is a piece of wank, he said that Robertson would wear the #3. On the topic of his number, lets hope he does better than our previous 26's.

I saw that when he signed for Hull he took the 26 shirt initially. It must mean something to him. Maybe itīs his glassing record on a night out?
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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #152 on: July 24, 2017, 05:09:54 pm »
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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #153 on: July 24, 2017, 05:39:11 pm »
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Genuinely do not know re: Robertson. He generally scouts well - maybe they thought he fit their need or they look at dif fullback metrics.

Firstly, I disagree with possession adjusted stats. I see no correlation at all between the two. Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Spurs are all similar in possession numbers and yet two of them are near the top, 1 middle and two near the bottom of the table in terms of defensive numbers last season. It seems some teams defend by tackles & intercepts, some by blocking crosses & passing lanes more. Those later numbers actually seem to have a higher correlation in preventing shots/goals than anything else.

As for what that radar means - good a dribbling, rarely gives it away. Decent cross. Isnīt involved in the build up of many goals, but then Hull donīt score many goals and donīt really build them up either with possession. Passing is ok. Weak in the air, tackling & interceptions (after adjustments for possession).

As for Tedīs conversation after posting it, he acknowledges that Liverpool scout well using stats and that they perhaps look at different things than him in full backs. Also says Robertson "scouts well" meaning passes the eye test even if the numbers he uses donīt support that.

As I said before, I think you need to look at more, and differently, than Ted here. Full backs who get dribbled past, donīt block crosses and allow passes into the box for fun and have regular brain farts could show up well in this radar. I imagine Morenoīs radar looks outstanding by comparison and itīs measuring things he does and Moreno does a LOT.
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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #154 on: July 24, 2017, 06:14:56 pm »
He's a softly spoken young man, but make no mistake, Andy Robertson will glass you if he has to.



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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #155 on: July 24, 2017, 08:31:27 pm »
I saw that when he signed for Hull he took the 26 shirt initially. It must mean something to him. Maybe itīs his glassing record on a night out?

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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #156 on: July 24, 2017, 10:40:23 pm »
Liked him a lot since his first season at Hull. Think he'll be our first choice left back over Milner in no time - who was very dependable last season, as he always is - but has limitations, not least being right footed when we need more width!

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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #157 on: July 24, 2017, 11:30:38 pm »
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Klopp on Robertson: "He is cool. He played outstandingly well at Hull but people have said ‘In defensive one-on-ones he is not that good."

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Klopp: "That’s not a problem. I can teach him how to deal with one-on-ones because I could do that and I was a really bad footballer."

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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #158 on: July 24, 2017, 11:52:08 pm »
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Klopp on Robertson: "He is cool. He played outstandingly well at Hull but people have said ‘In defensive one-on-ones he is not that good."

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Klopp: "That’s not a problem. I can teach him how to deal with one-on-ones because I could do that and I was a really bad footballer."

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Re: Robertsoninho has signed
« Reply #159 on: July 25, 2017, 01:27:01 am »
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Klopp on Robertson: "He is cool. He played outstandingly well at Hull but people have said ‘In defensive one-on-ones he is not that good."

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Klopp: "That’s not a problem. I can teach him how to deal with one-on-ones because I could do that and I was a really bad footballer."

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