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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons
« Reply #13560 on: May 4, 2021, 03:46:48 pm »
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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons
« Reply #13561 on: May 4, 2021, 03:47:29 pm »
Their fans weren't arsed about the competition when they were getting knocked out every year. Booing the anthem and everything. Presume they won't be watching tonight.

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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons
« Reply #13562 on: May 4, 2021, 03:57:58 pm »
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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons
« Reply #13563 on: May 4, 2021, 05:18:33 pm »
Manchester City Battles Premier League Over Alleged Rule Breach
City, the Gulf-backed soccer team on the cusp of a fourth English Premier League title, is fighting an investigation over financial control rules.
By Tariq Panja

LONDON — Manchester City, the English soccer team that is on the cusp of winning the Premier League for the third time in four seasons, is involved in a secret legal battle with the league over whether it complied with financial rules as it surged to become one of the sport’s dominant forces.

The Premier League has been tight lipped since confirming in 2019 that it was looking into City’s finances a few months after the German news weekly Der Spiegel, citing internal club information, said the club had disguised direct investment by its owner, Sheikh Mansour, as sponsorship income. City has always insisted it has not broken any regulations and denounced the stolen documents as “out-of-context materials” that were published as part of an “organized and clear attempt to damage the club’s reputation.”

City has spent millions of dollars defending itself since the allegations first emerged. Its lawyers are fighting against the league’s arbitration process, arguing that the club will not get a fair hearing, according to documents. City and the league did not immediately reply to a request for comment.

City is challenging the Premier League in Britain’s civil courts, where hearings have been held behind closed doors, and where publication of material related to the case has been kept confidential despite intense public interest in the case. It is not known what action the Premier League would take if it found City to have breached its rules. Penalties in its rule book include points deductions and fines.

City, backed by the billionaire brother of the crown prince of Abu Dhabi, one of the richest men in the world, waged a successful battle in 2020 when it won an appeal against a two-year ban from the Champions League after being found to have breached separate cost control rules by the European soccer governing body, UEFA. City won its case at the Switzerland-based Court of Arbitration after convincing judges that a time limit had elapsed on the evidence against it. The Premier League’s rules do not have similar deadlines.

City requires just one more victory to be sure of the English championship. It is also on a charge toward securing its first Champions League crown. It holds a 2-1 advantage over Paris St.-Germain, another Gulf-controlled club, before Tuesday night’s decisive second semifinal game at its own stadium.

The case is taking place against the backdrop of major scrutiny of owners in English soccer. A protest by fans of City’s crosstown rival, Manchester United, led to its game against Liverpool being postponed on Sunday after the two clubs joined City and three other English teams in signing up to a planned breakaway European competition. The plans were abandoned within 48 hours after a torrent of criticism and the threat of government action.

Still, City won plaudits after becoming the first of the rebel English clubs to announce it had backed away from the project.

City’s battle against the Premier League bears the hallmarks of its approach in the UEFA case. Before finding salvation through a technicality in the rules that set a five-year time limit on the infractions eligible for punishment, the club tried to have the case thrown out at the CAS before UEFA had even ruled.

City’s stance in the Premier League case is a second major recent assault on the league’s governance structures. The owner of Newcastle United started legal action last fall against the league after it failed to clear a sale to Saudi Arabia’s Public Investment Fund.

City’s relationship with UEFA has strengthened significantly since it successfully appealed the Champions League ban. UEFA resisted appealing the CAS judgment even after Der Spiegel published new revelations that appeared to cast doubt on some of the evidence a senior City official provided to the court.

UEFA told The New York Times in a statement that it had sought legal opinion on the chance of appealing the CAS decision after Der Spiegel published new emails. “The clear view was that such an appeal would stand little chance of success in forcing CAS to rehear the case and on the slim chance it did, the chance of success at a second hearing was also limited. A similar view was also taken on the possible success of a prosecution under the UEFA disciplinary framework,” said UEFA.

Its president, Aleksander Ceferin, praised City personally, issuing a statement minutes after the team last month became the first to withdraw from the proposed breakaway competition.

While the superleague proposals continue to attract widespread criticism, those involved in the negotiations insist part of the rationale behind them was to cool rampant spending that has imperiled the futures of some of the elite clubs as they seek to keep up with teams backed by wealthy benefactors, particularly those controlled by the Gulf nation states.

Documents reviewed by The Times showed each team would have had to submit detailed financial information to financial auditors, as well as agree to rules forbidding owners from artificially inflating teams’ balance sheets. Penalties for breaches included a suspension or ban from the competition, as well as millions of dollars in fines.

City’s backers say existing rules have been designed to keep historically dominant clubs from facing competition from up-and-coming teams. Sheikh Mansour has plowed more than $1 billion into turning City into the dominant force in English soccer over much of the past decade. His largess has been spent on acquiring top executives, players and Pep Guardiola, the pre-eminent manager of his generation.

City has also spent millions on rejuvenating the deprived Manchester neighborhood where it plays its home games, building new facilities and creating jobs in an area that had suffered from high unemployment.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/04/sports/soccer/manchester-city-premier-league.html
They are quite clearly dodgy as fuck. Hopefully this time the PL will actually do something about it.

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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons
« Reply #13564 on: May 4, 2021, 05:25:27 pm »
They are quite clearly dodgy as fuck. Hopefully this time the PL will actually do something about it.

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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons
« Reply #13565 on: May 4, 2021, 06:02:12 pm »
I'd love to believe they'll be punished. They won't be though and they know it as well as we do.
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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons
« Reply #13566 on: May 4, 2021, 06:07:12 pm »
They are quite clearly dodgy as fuck. Hopefully this time the PL will actually do something about it.
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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons
« Reply #13567 on: May 4, 2021, 06:11:36 pm »
Here comes another title for United.

They should be docked 3 points for every season they’ve won it. That should give us a couple more titles and United one (2012). They can keep the rest, no one cares. I’d accept that.

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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons
« Reply #13568 on: May 4, 2021, 06:13:57 pm »
They should be docked 3 points for every season they’ve won it. That should give us a couple more titles and United one (2012). They can keep the rest, no one cares. I’d accept that.
Seems quite fair .
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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons
« Reply #13569 on: May 4, 2021, 06:15:56 pm »
This is being leaked as I'm guessing the arbitration isn't going well for ManC and they are letting it be known they'll sue here just as easily as they did with UEFA.

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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons
« Reply #13570 on: May 4, 2021, 06:16:52 pm »
Is this being reported in any of the mainstream TV in uk say sky or bbc ?
This was a big piece in the NYT

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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons
« Reply #13571 on: May 4, 2021, 06:17:13 pm »
They should be docked 3 points for every season they’ve won it. That should give us a couple more titles and United one (2012). They can keep the rest, no one cares. I’d accept that.
It would be highly unlikely for the FA to do anything to support retrospective changes, I think. But another (probably also unlikely) scenario would be for them to start on -15 points next season, same like the punishment for entering administration, for the following seasons until they clean up their act. I'd take that.
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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons
« Reply #13572 on: May 4, 2021, 06:19:17 pm »
Is this being reported in any of the mainstream TV in uk say sky or bbc ?
This was a big piece in the NYT

On the TV... it's not even made it to BBC's sports news site.

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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons
« Reply #13573 on: May 4, 2021, 06:20:57 pm »
It's been mentioned on other UK websites as well, don't think any newspaper has though.
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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons
« Reply #13574 on: May 4, 2021, 06:21:46 pm »
It would be highly unlikely for the FA to do anything to support retrospective changes, I think. But another (probably also unlikely) scenario would be for them to start on -15 points next season, same like the punishment for entering administration, for the following seasons until they clean up their act. I'd take that.

Oh I know, fuck all chance if anything retrospective being applied I’m sure.

They’ll probably get off on technicalities again but hopefully further evidence they cheated will come out. Maybe some more people might care this time. Probably not though.

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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons
« Reply #13575 on: May 4, 2021, 06:24:03 pm »
On the TV... it's not even made it to BBC's sports news site.

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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons
« Reply #13576 on: May 4, 2021, 06:33:39 pm »
Not surprising the British media aren’t arsed yet, they’re all in Abu Dhabi’s pocket anyway.

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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons
« Reply #13577 on: May 4, 2021, 07:00:02 pm »
Not surprising the British media aren’t arsed yet, they’re all in Abu Dhabi’s pocket anyway.

Not all of them there are some honourable exceptions.
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« Reply #13578 on: May 4, 2021, 07:34:11 pm »
Not all of them there are some honourable exceptions.
Fair. But even one of these media entities, even one MP being in the pockets of Abu Dhabi and such is way too many. And there are many more than one (thinking of the push for the Newcastle takeover).
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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons
« Reply #13579 on: May 4, 2021, 07:36:43 pm »
Not all of them there are some honourable exceptions.
Yes there are, not enough unfortunately.

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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons
« Reply #13580 on: May 4, 2021, 08:22:28 pm »
Fair. But even one of these media entities, even one MP being in the pockets of Abu Dhabi and such is way too many. And there are many more than one (thinking of the push for the Newcastle takeover).

Why would someone in the pockets of Abu Dhabi push for a Saudi takeover?

I don't think it's about people being in the pockets of Abu Dhabi - it's the fucking idiocy and starry-eyed adoration of seeing 'English' teams being successful in Europe and the standard sporting narratives of 'building dynasties' and multiple title winners.

A lot of people, and a lot in the media, cream their kecks over star-studded teams doing amazing things. That's normal, but there seem to be unwritten rules about how you judge legitimacy. Oil-states and oligarchs pumping in billions is seen as accesptable for some reason.
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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons
« Reply #13581 on: May 4, 2021, 08:28:33 pm »
It's been mentioned on other UK websites as well, don't think any newspaper has though.

You mean Stu Brennan hasn't reported it? I'm shocked!
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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons
« Reply #13582 on: May 4, 2021, 08:50:10 pm »
I can't be doing with the Phil Foden wanking. This summer is going to be painful. It's fucking Rooney all over again.
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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons
« Reply #13583 on: May 4, 2021, 08:51:52 pm »
You mean Stu Brennan hasn't reported it? I'm shocked!

To be fair I think he’s the MEN’s Transport Correspondent. Not really his area.

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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons
« Reply #13584 on: May 4, 2021, 08:53:59 pm »
I can't be doing with the Phil Foden wanking. This summer is going to be painful. It's fucking Rooney all over again.

He's like Gazza but with half the talent.

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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons
« Reply #13585 on: May 4, 2021, 09:03:13 pm »
Why would someone in the pockets of Abu Dhabi push for a Saudi takeover?

I don't think it's about people being in the pockets of Abu Dhabi - it's the fucking idiocy and starry-eyed adoration of seeing 'English' teams being successful in Europe and the standard sporting narratives of 'building dynasties' and multiple title winners.

A lot of people, and a lot in the media, cream their kecks over star-studded teams doing amazing things. That's normal, but there seem to be unwritten rules about how you judge legitimacy. Oil-states and oligarchs pumping in billions is seen as accesptable for some reason.
I said "Abu Dhabi and such", putting all sportswashing countries in the same denominator; I don't really make a distinction.

I hear you. Fans and those interested to see their teams succeed as never before is one of the key sportswashing components. Those countries who want to have their image improved pray on such people. Fans want rich owners, influential MPs want their region to have a club everyone would recognize, and that all plays in the hands of Abu Dhabi and such. And while fans should know better (I wish, but I understand their desire), the MPs are public servants first and foremost. They should think better whether to put pressure on the FA to accept the takeover. They should be the ones who know that meaning of "fit and proper". They are the ones who should recognize dirty money and should pressure the FA to not allow such transfer of ownership like City and Chelsea (and nearly us with DIC's attempt). But there is a reason why London is one of the world's leading money-laundering capitals for Russian oligarchs, and who knows what else...

I don't know, I'm just pissed when people in a position of power exercise their power in contrast with their mandate.
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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons
« Reply #13586 on: May 4, 2021, 09:06:49 pm »
He's like Gazza but with half the talent.
The BBC commentary just said 'give Foden whatever number he wants in the Euros..'

And..

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He's English. We're fucking not escaping the fucking jizzfest.
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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons
« Reply #13587 on: May 4, 2021, 09:10:43 pm »
City potentially winning the CL really devalues the tournament.


Really sad development. It could just as likely have been Norwich. Or Plymouth.

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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons
« Reply #13588 on: May 4, 2021, 09:12:57 pm »
Foden is a brilliant footballer. The speed with which he executes his skill is frightening.
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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons
« Reply #13590 on: May 4, 2021, 09:47:59 pm »
Everything about them is so, so depressing. Once they win the CL it's not hard to seem them just steamrolling teams for years.
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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons
« Reply #13591 on: May 4, 2021, 09:48:13 pm »
He's like Gazza but with half the talent.

Gazza must be Maradona then.

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« Reply #13592 on: May 4, 2021, 09:48:38 pm »
I can't be doing with the Phil Foden wanking. This summer is going to be painful. It's fucking Rooney all over again.

We’re only one year in to the hype as well ffs.

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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons
« Reply #13593 on: May 4, 2021, 09:49:14 pm »
This is why I can't understand people who say it doesn't matter what they win.  I wasn't old enough to understand what the deal was with Chelsea but did people say that then?  Now Chelsea are basically treated as a normal team.  You keep saying it doesn't matter long enough and eventually before you know it that's the norm.

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Re: Man City - the Lisbon Lyons
« Reply #13594 on: May 4, 2021, 09:50:14 pm »
Foden is a brilliant footballer. The speed with which he executes his skill is frightening.

I hope Curtis kicks on like he has. Fodens a special talent
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« Reply #13595 on: May 4, 2021, 09:50:44 pm »
This is why I can't understand people who say it doesn't matter what they win.  I wasn't old enough to understand what the deal was with Chelsea but did people say that then?  Now Chelsea are basically treated as a normal team.  You keep saying it doesn't matter long enough and eventually before you know it that's the norm.

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« Reply #13596 on: May 4, 2021, 09:50:47 pm »
This is why I can't understand people who say it doesn't matter what they win.  I wasn't old enough to understand what the deal was with Chelsea but did people say that then?  Now Chelsea are basically treated as a normal team.  You keep saying it doesn't matter long enough and eventually before you know it that's the norm.

Yep.

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« Reply #13597 on: May 4, 2021, 09:52:33 pm »
This is why I can't understand people who say it doesn't matter what they win.  I wasn't old enough to understand what the deal was with Chelsea but did people say that then?  Now Chelsea are basically treated as a normal team.  You keep saying it doesn't matter long enough and eventually before you know it that's the norm.
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« Reply #13598 on: May 4, 2021, 09:56:12 pm »
This is why I can't understand people who say it doesn't matter what they win.  I wasn't old enough to understand what the deal was with Chelsea but did people say that then?  Now Chelsea are basically treated as a normal team.  You keep saying it doesn't matter long enough and eventually before you know it that's the norm.

Football hasn't done anything about their financial doping. That it doesn't matter when they win is precisely why it isn't normal.
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« Reply #13599 on: May 4, 2021, 09:56:55 pm »
Football hasn't done anything about their financial doping. That it doesn't matter when they win is precisely why it isn't normal.

UEFA tried though?