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Re: Politics thread III
« Reply #1 on: December 1, 2019, 08:03:05 pm »
There is a moderation function available with this forum software. It allows for the queuing of posts of problem members; individual posts must be approved by a moderator before they are published. It is a points based system, so the points can even add up to a 'mute' level', where the member cannot post at all. And, the points drop off over time. I've used it elsewhere - it works quite well, as members thoroughly dislike it, so tend to learn their lesson. Just a thought.
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« Reply #4 on: December 1, 2019, 08:13:46 pm »
Let's see if you can heed your own advice  ;)

I very much doubt it mate. But we do have some amazing people on here that have taught me an awful lot. I read what they say and I look it up and learn more.

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Re: Politics thread III
« Reply #5 on: December 1, 2019, 08:15:39 pm »
How many more debates are there left in this election. Its only a 6 week campaign but the amount of debates we have had has been ridiculous.

It makes me feel sorry for the Yanks, who have basically a 2 year election.

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« Reply #6 on: December 1, 2019, 08:43:04 pm »
A long read on the think tanks increasingly influencing the Tory party, on Brexit and on the 'free trade bonanza' to come.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/29/rightwing-thinktank-conservative-boris-johnson-brexit-atlas-network
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Re: Politics thread III
« Reply #9 on: December 1, 2019, 08:51:56 pm »
Who the hell thought putting up Burgon to do this debate was a good idea? He's such a colossal idiot.

That shit eating grin when challenged on Labour's social care record in Wales, bloody hell.
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Re: Politics thread III
« Reply #10 on: December 1, 2019, 08:52:27 pm »
I think Swinson made a huge error in going for a revoke article 50 policy.

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« Reply #11 on: December 1, 2019, 08:53:34 pm »
Who the hell thought putting up Burgon to do this debate was a good idea? He's such a colossal idiot.

That shit eating grin when challenged on Labour's social care record in Wales, bloody hell.

Should've just stuck with Long-Bailey, at least she's semi -competent.

I'm amazed Burgon can find his way out of the door each morning.

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« Reply #12 on: December 1, 2019, 08:57:28 pm »
Should've just stuck with Long-Bailey, at least she's semi -competent.

I'm amazed Burgon can find his way out of the door each morning.

Yeah, Long-Bailey is no political heavyweight but at least she's not completely gormless. Deary me, that was painful.
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Re: Politics thread III
« Reply #13 on: December 1, 2019, 09:32:44 pm »
I think Swinson made a huge error in going for a revoke article 50 policy.
She has, she's made it worse by not making a argument to justify revoking, we know many remain voters believe it's wrong to just revoke without asking the people first so they need a good reason to win them over. having said that she hasn't just said they want to revoke, she also said they will revoke if they win power (highly unlikely now) otherwise they will support a referendum.

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« Reply #14 on: December 1, 2019, 09:45:53 pm »
She has, she's made it worse by not making a argument to justify revoking, we know many remain voters believe it's wrong to just revoke without asking the people first so they need a good reason to win them over. having said that she hasn't just said they want to revoke, she also said they will revoke if they win power (highly unlikely now) otherwise they will support a referendum.

She didn't need to change their policy.  It was a massive error.  They've done well on a second referendum pledge up til then, there was no need to muddy the waters.

It was a poor political gamble.

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Re: Politics thread III
« Reply #15 on: December 1, 2019, 09:48:33 pm »
From the BBC website:

General Election 2019: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson's interview with Andrew Marr fact-checked

    48 minutes ago

 Reality Check

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson gave a wide-ranging interview to the BBC's Andrew Marr programme, focusing on security but also covering Brexit, and the NHS, as well as the plans of the Labour Party. Here are his most eye-catching claims fact-checked.

Claim 1:The government is putting extra money into counter-terrorist policing.

Discussing measures to tackle terrorism in the wake of Friday's London Bridge attacks, Mr Johnson said: "We've obviously invested a great deal in counter-terrorism in the Spending Review. We put another £160m into counter-terrorism."

In September Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson's government announced its spending plans for 2020-21. These only included increasing funding for counter-terrorism in line with inflation.

Those plans also include a pledge to continue for another year "the additional £160 million announced at Budget 2018."

In fact, Budget 2018 only increased counter-terrorism funding by £59m or 8% on the previous year, as this written answer in the House of Commons shows.

The £160m is the difference between spending plans announced in 2015 and the figure eventually spent in 2019-20.

Claim 2: "Jeremy Corbyn has said he would disband MI5"

BBC News has asked the Conservatives for the evidence behind this claim, and is still awaiting a response. Labour has denied that Jeremy Corbyn wants to disband MI5.

The claim may relate to a campaign in 2015, run by a group called Socialist Campaign for a Labour Victory, which issued a statement with a number of demands including "disband MI5".

Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell is still listed as a signatory on that website. He did admit to signing it according to press reports, though he claimed to have done so in error, and did not support disbanding MI5.

Current shadow Home Secretary Diane Abbott signed a parliamentary motion in 1989 calling for the abolition of MI5, but has since changed her views.

Claim 3: "We have a Queen's Speech that was blocked by Parliament."

In fact the Queen's Speech was passed by 16 votes on 24 October.

Claim 4: The government was already moving to stop automatic early release

Mr Johnson said: "I also said in August that we would no longer allow the automatic early release of serious and violent offenders. And what we are doing now, is there is a bill that was in the Queen's Speech to prevent automatic early release."

The Queen's Speech included a Sentencing Bill, which would change "the automatic release point from halfway to the two-thirds point for adult offenders serving sentences of four years or more for serious violent or sexual offences".

Offenders considered "dangerous" already receive a Extended Determinate Sentence, of which around 250 were imposed last year. They are not considered for release until they have served two-thirds of their sentences.

Claim 5: The largest NHS investments in modern memory

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson said: "...we are so determined to make huge investments in the NHS. The largest in modern memory. £34bn."

The Conservatives' plans do involve increasing funding for the NHS in England in cash terms by £34bn. However, accounting for inflation, the real increase would be £20.5bn by 2023-24.

At a 3.2% annual increase, it is less than the 6% average achieved by Labour governments between 1997 and 2010, according to the Health Foundation.

And most of that extra spending was already announced by the government before the election. The Conservative manifesto only pledges to increase health spending in 2023-24 by £2.9bn - just a third of one per centage point more than was already planned, according to the Institute for Fiscal Studies.





I don't think Marr queried any of these!
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Re: Politics thread III
« Reply #16 on: December 1, 2019, 09:51:11 pm »
Why the fuck did Labour put Burgon up? Do they actually think he's good???

They'd have been better just sticking a ham up there.

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Re: Politics thread III
« Reply #17 on: December 1, 2019, 09:54:06 pm »
The debates are so boring. I watched about 5 minutes tonight and turned it off, all of them could send a glass eye to sleep.

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Re: Politics thread III
« Reply #18 on: December 1, 2019, 09:57:42 pm »
The debates are so boring. I watched about 5 minutes tonight and turned it off, all of them could send a glass eye to sleep.

Yep it was pretty bad, even Sturgeon was doing my head in.

Its quite obvious that we as Brits are not set up or used to having this many debates. I dont understand why there was another one when they had the same format just a few days ago and Sturgeon, Sunak and Swinson were on there as well.

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Re: Politics thread III
« Reply #19 on: December 1, 2019, 10:00:39 pm »
She didn't need to change their policy.  It was a massive error.  They've done well on a second referendum pledge up til then, there was no need to muddy the waters.

It was a poor political gamble.
Yep, out of touch with public opinion, I can only assume someone argued we must give voters a different option to Labour when they get behind a referendum. it's irrelevant anyway as they are not going to win a majority so they will be backing a referendum if we have a hung Parliament
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Re: Politics thread III
« Reply #20 on: December 1, 2019, 10:54:22 pm »
How many more debates are there left in this election. Its only a 6 week campaign but the amount of debates we have had has been ridiculous.


Probably hoping Johnson will turn up to one.  He’s steering well clear. 

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Re: Politics thread III
« Reply #21 on: December 1, 2019, 10:56:54 pm »
There is a moderation function available with this forum software. It allows for the queuing of posts of problem members; individual posts must be approved by a moderator before they are published. It is a points based system, so the points can even add up to a 'mute' level', where the member cannot post at all. And, the points drop off over time. I've used it elsewhere - it works quite well, as members thoroughly dislike it, so tend to learn their lesson. Just a thought.

We use it all the time. It’s just that non-mods can’t see it.

Edit - Actually, we don’t use that, we just use the warning system. Quite frankly if someone’s that much of a problem I’m not sure we’d want to waste the time of vetting every one of their posts. As has been said many times, the politics boards are not a core element of the site - we’re a Liverpool football club website.
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« Reply #22 on: December 1, 2019, 11:11:16 pm »
We use it all the time. It’s just that non-mods can’t see it.

Edit - Actually, we don’t use that, we just use the warning system. Quite frankly if someone’s that much of a problem I’m not sure we’d want to waste the time of vetting every one of their posts. As has been said many times, the politics boards are not a core element of the site - we’re a Liverpool football club website.
Well, that's fair enough. I find it works quite well, but its usefulness will vary from community to community.

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Re: Politics thread III
« Reply #23 on: December 1, 2019, 11:20:10 pm »
Weekend's polls mostly show a tightening a race, but vary dramatically in how tight it is, varying from borderline hung Parliament to Tory landslide.

Westminster voting intention:
CON: 43% (-)
LAB: 34% (+2)
LDEM: 13% (-)
GRN: 3% (+1)
BREX: 2% (-2)
via @YouGov, 28 - 29 Nov
Chgs. w/ 26 Nov


Westminster voting intention:
CON: 45% (+2)
LAB: 32% (+2)
LDEM: 15% (-1)
BREX: 3% (-)
via @DeltapollUK,
Chgs. w/ 23 Nov


Westminster voting intention:
CON: 46% (-1)
LAB: 31% (+3)
LDEM: 13% (+1)
BREX: 2% (-1)
via @OpiniumResearch, 27 - 29 Nov
Chgs. w/ 22 Nov


Westminster voting intention:
CON: 43% (+2)
LAB: 33% (-1)
LDEM: 13% (-)
BREX: 4% (-1)
GRN: 3% (+1)
via @SavantaComRes, 27 - 28 Nov
Chgs. w/ 26 Nov


Westminster voting intention:
CON: 39% (-2)
LAB: 33% (+5)
LDEM: 13% (-5)
GRN: 5% (-)
BREX: 4% (+1)
via @BMGResearch, 27 - 29 Nov
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Re: Politics thread III
« Reply #24 on: December 1, 2019, 11:35:25 pm »
Why the fuck did Labour put Burgon up? Do they actually think he's good???

They'd have been better just sticking a ham up there.
loyalty to the party line, mccluskey mentioned him as a future leader recently which is hilarious along with the likes of pidcock, long bailey and carden

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Re: Politics thread III
« Reply #25 on: December 1, 2019, 11:41:51 pm »
Think I’m increasingly leaning towards the idea of there being a test people should have to pass before they can vote.

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« Reply #26 on: December 1, 2019, 11:42:24 pm »
loyalty to the party line, mccluskey mentioned him as a future leader recently which is hilarious along with the likes of pidcock, long bailey and carden

Ideology and nepotism trumps talent in todays Labour party. I don't think many people realise what a dangerous road that is for any political movement.

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« Reply #27 on: December 1, 2019, 11:45:54 pm »
A long read on the think tanks increasingly influencing the Tory party, on Brexit and on the 'free trade bonanza' to come.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/29/rightwing-thinktank-conservative-boris-johnson-brexit-atlas-network
It is a long read,the free trade argument is nothing we haven't discussed and ripped apart many times already,  the first part of what Raab says is frightening and it's shocking he's so open about it..
He argues Labour gave workers too much legal protection and it's a handicap on bosses, am certain he also puts a lot of this down to the EU as well. bosses should have the freedom to do as they please without workers having the right to defend themselves.
Raab reckons we become a nation of idlers, we know they want us to leave the EU so they can force workers (drivers etc protected by EU law) to work longer hours when they say so they can cut down on drivers. Rees-Mogg said he sees no reason why British workers can't work under the same conditions as workers in India after we leave the EU.  these Tories must be feeling very clever right now, they've managed  to convince millions of working class to vote to give them the power to do as they please.

In a speech to the IEA the same year, Raab also enthused about the organisation’s effect on his younger self. A few years back, he told the audience, he had been on a beach in Brazil. He’d had a couple of drinks, and had gone in to the sea to mull over an idea: that New Labour had “eroded liberty” in Britain and created a “rights culture” that had fostered a nation of idlers. Lost in thought, the tide had dragged him far from his starting point, and back on the beach, he had trouble locating his family among all the “scantily clad Brazilians”. On stage, he thanked the IEA for helping him develop this idea, which became the starting point for the book Britannia Unchained, an anti-statist tract, co-written with other MPs who would go on to join Johnson’s new cabinet – Patel; Elizabeth Truss, now trade secretary; Kwasi Kwarteng, business minister; and Chris Skidmore, then health minister.
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Re: Politics thread III
« Reply #28 on: December 2, 2019, 12:04:21 am »
Westminster voting intention:
CON: 42% (+2)
LAB: 33% (+3)
LDEM: 11% (-4)
BREX: 3% (-2)
GRN: 4% (+1)
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Re: Politics thread III
« Reply #29 on: December 2, 2019, 07:40:10 am »
I reckon if Labour can keep the gap within the single digits then we can expect a hung parliament.

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Re: Politics thread III
« Reply #30 on: December 2, 2019, 07:50:05 am »
I reckon if Labour can keep the gap within the single digits then we can expect a hung parliament.

Not if they are just squeezing the Lib Dem vote and not taking any additional seats from the Tories

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« Reply #31 on: December 2, 2019, 08:14:37 am »
Not if they are just squeezing the Lib Dem vote and not taking any additional seats from the Tories

Im hoping the tightening is coming from the dont knows.

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Re: Politics thread III
« Reply #32 on: December 2, 2019, 08:20:47 am »
We do have a problem with productivity in this country but it never seems to occur to the right that the answer might be to incentivise people rather than to strip them of rights. I wonder if they are like that as parents - might explain a lot.

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Re: Politics thread III
« Reply #33 on: December 2, 2019, 08:21:38 am »
Think I’m increasingly leaning towards the idea of there being a test people should have to pass before they can vote.

Bit like the ones Black voters had to undergo in Missippi prior to Equalities laws?

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Re: Politics thread III
« Reply #34 on: December 2, 2019, 08:26:38 am »
We do have a problem with productivity in this country but it never seems to occur to the right that the answer might be to incentivise people rather than to strip them of rights. I wonder if they are like that as parents - might explain a lot.
Absolute bollocks. The tories constantly tell us that top executives, and people like themselves for instance, must be incentivised by massive pay increases. I mean what would be the point of giving millions of consumers more spending power - how is that going to help the economy.
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Re: Politics thread III
« Reply #35 on: December 2, 2019, 08:38:04 am »
Absolute bollocks. The tories constantly tell us that top executives, and people like themselves for instance, must be incentivised by massive pay increases. I mean what would be the point of giving millions of consumers more spending power - how is that going to help the economy.

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Of course the Tories would just counter with "if everyone had money to spend the inflation would be unacceptable"
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Re: Politics thread III
« Reply #36 on: December 2, 2019, 08:40:15 am »
As a sidestep and food for thought I thought this article is really interesting given the number of times people have referenced Scandinavian countries as models of socialism. They aren't - they are based on a different model that is based on a fundamental concensus of the important things in life.

I Led One of the Happiest Countries in the World. Here's What Other Democracies Could Learn From Our Model


By Anders Fogh Rasmussen November 27, 2019

(Anders Fogh Rasmussen was the Prime Minister of Denmark from 2001 to 2009.)

Across the democratic world today, people have never been so wealthy, healthy and living in relative peace. Yet they are unhappy, and the orthodoxy that our children will have a better life than us is in question.

This unhappiness has become a trigger for unraveling the social contract that underpins our democratic states. It is making the West ungovernable as anxious voters resort to populism and isolationism. That’s why the West must tackle this epidemic of unhappiness, before it tears our democratic world apart.

Mainstream democratic forces are searching for a new narrative that acts as an antidote to the fearmongering of populists – and that must be the narrative of happiness and hope.

Ever since Bill Clinton’s team adopted the slogan “the economy, stupid,” the convention has been that a growing economy is the main ingredient to re-election. But today’s reality is different. From squeezed middle-class paychecks to the rust belts left behind by globalization, most people do not feel like the system works for them.

Fear has become a driver in our societies, as politicians remind people who already feel that their position in society is shaky that it can get even worse. Both elected officials and candidates invoke the fear of crime and terrorism, immigrants and minorities. In the UK election currently underway, the socialists are invoking fear that the conservatives will privatize the universal healthcare provider, the NHS, while the conservatives are setting out a dystopian vision of a Marxist, chaotic and paralyzed country under the socialists.

This does not need to be the case. I was proud to be Prime Minister of one of the world’s happiest countries. Denmark consistently ranks highly in the World Happiness Report, coming second only to Finland in 2019. While there is no magic formula, I believe there are three key elements across Scandinavia that could show the way: trust, public services and flexicurity.


In Denmark, our small country is built on trust, honesty and frankness where people know that government, media and businesses are not trying to deceive you. Transparency International’s Corruption Perceptions Index has scored Denmark as the least corrupt country in the world. As a marker of that trust-based society, every year we hold a festival called Folkemødet, the people’s democratic festival, where every citizen can meet and debate with their political leaders, media and leading businesses.

We are also a high-taxing country. During my time as Prime Minister I froze tax levels, and Denmark is engaged in an internal debate about how we maintain services as an aging population causes the share of wealth-earners to shrink. Yet no mainstream political party questions the taxpayer-paid provision of public services such as health care, eldercare and education. The debate in Denmark revolves around the level of tax funding, rather than the principle.

And we have a concept called flexicurity, creating flexible labor markets without the insecurities usually created by such flexible labor markets. That means that we focus on productivity, but we also ensure that there is sufficient time for vacations, family life, sports and hobbies. Flexicurity is made up of a golden triangle of labor-market flexibility combined with a strong social security safety net and active policies to help and encourage the unemployed back into work.

I believe that Scandinavia’s strength comes in its investment in social capital as much as we focus on growing our financial capital.

Denmark is certainly not perfect, but our focus on well-being produces happier voters. I believe a new paradigm of “governance for happiness” offers an optimistic vision during testing times. It is a concept that is also gaining ground in a number of countries: in the UAE the government has a happiness minister; Bhutan has a Gross National Happiness index, measuring its worth by citizens’ happiness alongside its economy; and New Zealand’s well-being budget focuses on tackling mental health, child poverty and family violence.

Happiness budgets similar to New Zealand’s should be considered by G7 leaders and finance ministers at their forthcoming meetings. It might seem inappropriate for a usually geopolitical body to discuss people’s well-being, but this topic has become central to the breakdown in our democracies that, in turn, is fragmenting the Western world. The G7 is the body charged with defending the democratic world’s interests due to its economic and political clout. But in these changing times, defending the rules-based democratic order also requires introspection over how protect the foundations of our democracies from being eaten from within by voter discontent.

The need for a policy shift is supported by a recent poll conducted by the Ukrainian philanthropist Victor Pinchuk for the Yalta European Strategies (YES) annual meeting in Ukraine, where this topic was discussed at length. Polling in 15 countries across 6 continents, it shows that people expect their government to put happiness at the heart of its policies — 57.6% of respondents said happiness and health are the most important factors in their lives, prioritizing them over things like income and career success, and 85.4% indicated that they expect government to be proactive about boosting its citizens’ happiness.

Happiness may seem like a conceptual nicety for most political leaders, but it is a change in narrative that leaders sneer at to their peril. Populism plays to people’s emotions in a highly successful way; it’s time for the mainstream to find an emotional way of reconnecting with people who just want to be happy.


https://time.com/5740400/denmark-happiness/
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Re: Politics thread III
« Reply #37 on: December 2, 2019, 08:42:55 am »

A balanced economy and society is the most successful one, whodathunkit?
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Re: Politics thread III
« Reply #38 on: December 2, 2019, 08:51:05 am »
A balanced economy and society is the most successful one, whodathunkit?

The main point is that it's based on concensus not two extremes endlessly fighting. 
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Re: Politics thread III
« Reply #39 on: December 2, 2019, 08:54:26 am »
The main point is that it's based on concensus not two extremes endlessly fighting.

Indeed.

Extreme policies (either way) usually are a big turn off for our electorate. But then i guess we might want to have a discussion about the way the Overton Window has been deliberately pushed to the right.
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