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Re: Stevie Gerrard - The Manager Watch
« Reply #1200 on: November 28, 2021, 11:34:31 am »
Gary McAllister is an important part of his team I believe. Be interesting to see what the style of football will be for this Villa side and how successful it is at this level. It is a difficult one as whatever success he had in Scotland would always be questioned because of the standard up there. At Villa what would 'success' look like? I guess it would be achieving or exceeding expectation, which is what, top half of the league perhaps?
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Re: Stevie Gerrard - The Manager Watch
« Reply #1201 on: November 28, 2021, 11:44:45 am »
Why is their hatred for Villa? They are not our rivals in any sense unless I am missing something. I hope Stevie does well so I am fine with Villa doing well as long as they lose to us.

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Re: Stevie Gerrard - The Manager Watch
« Reply #1202 on: November 28, 2021, 11:58:39 am »
Why is their hatred for Villa? They are not our rivals in any sense unless I am missing something. I hope Stevie does well so I am fine with Villa doing well as long as they lose to us.

Probably completely wrong but saw a lot of disdain for them grow with the whole Gareth Barry saga and O'Neills comments about us

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Re: Stevie Gerrard - The Manager Watch
« Reply #1203 on: November 28, 2021, 12:04:24 pm »
Looks like them two wins has pulled them out of trouble for the time being, but you can still get dragged back down there. Still relatively early days. They've got City at home next, can't see them taking anything there, but let's hope otherwise.
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Re: Stevie Gerrard - The Manager Watch
« Reply #1204 on: November 28, 2021, 12:09:51 pm »
McGinn and Targett were so good for him in his first match and again against Palace. Cool that the fullbacks are so involved in build up, makes me think Stevie's philosophy will be positive as a manager.
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Re: Stevie Gerrard - The Manager Watch
« Reply #1205 on: November 28, 2021, 12:31:34 pm »
Gary McAllister is an important part of his team I believe. Be interesting to see what the style of football will be for this Villa side and how successful it is at this level. It is a difficult one as whatever success he had in Scotland would always be questioned because of the standard up there. At Villa what would 'success' look like? I guess it would be achieving or exceeding expectation, which is what, top half of the league perhaps?

Michael Beale too I think
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Re: Stevie Gerrard - The Manager Watch
« Reply #1206 on: November 28, 2021, 01:06:53 pm »
Interesting to see that Stevie has replaced "Obviously" with "Listen."

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Re: Stevie Gerrard - The Manager Watch
« Reply #1207 on: November 28, 2021, 01:33:51 pm »
Yeah course

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Re: Stevie Gerrard - The Manager Watch
« Reply #1208 on: November 28, 2021, 01:40:30 pm »
Michael Beale too I think

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Re: Stevie Gerrard - The Manager Watch
« Reply #1209 on: November 29, 2021, 12:44:03 am »
There's not much between the vast majority of the teams in the league at the moment. Top 3, a couple of chasers and then a big mass all together. Success for most is avoiding being in a relegation scrap in the last few weeks so I would imagine that's the target
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Re: Stevie Gerrard - The Manager Watch
« Reply #1210 on: November 29, 2021, 12:46:55 am »
Didn't think it was possible to admire the man any more but the way he has gone about trying to build himself as a manager has to be admired. Hope he continues to do well. He is the polar opposite to carragher

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Re: Stevie Gerrard - The Manager Watch
« Reply #1211 on: November 29, 2021, 01:17:27 am »
I watched the first game but only the highlights from the 2nd.  We'll see as the season goes along but so far it just confirmed what I thought in that he's very Rafa in his team setups.  He's not Klopp and probably will never be Klopp.  Doesn't mean he can't evolve but with the way the modern game is now I think there is a ceiling to this style.  Guess we'll see.

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Re: Stevie Gerrard - The Manager Watch
« Reply #1212 on: November 29, 2021, 01:25:20 am »
I watched the first game but only the highlights from the 2nd.  We'll see as the season goes along but so far it just confirmed what I thought in that he's very Rafa in his team setups.  He's not Klopp and probably will never be Klopp.  Doesn't mean he can't evolve but with the way the modern game is now I think there is a ceiling to this style.  Guess we'll see.
 

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Re: Stevie Gerrard - The Manager Watch
« Reply #1213 on: November 29, 2021, 03:56:48 am »
Maybe I’m not reading this right but Gerrard as a mgr has only lost 2 out of his last 54 matches as a top flight mgr dating back to March of 2020. Not bad.

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Re: Stevie Gerrard - The Manager Watch
« Reply #1214 on: November 29, 2021, 04:07:11 am »
 

So, your basing your theory on one game you watched fully and some highlights of the second game? Okay, Ralf. Get to fuck now...

No, I've previously said this after watching a handful of Rangers Europa games and what I've seen in the PL just continues that asshole.

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Re: Stevie Gerrard - The Manager Watch
« Reply #1215 on: November 29, 2021, 08:49:52 am »
Probably completely wrong but saw a lot of disdain for them grow with the whole Gareth Barry saga and O'Neills comments about us

They were fucking knobheads when I was a kid. Might have been having to visit Anfield and watch us win the league a couple of times that started it ;D
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Re: Stevie Gerrard - The Manager Watch
« Reply #1216 on: November 29, 2021, 09:49:47 am »
I watched the first game but only the highlights from the 2nd.  We'll see as the season goes along but so far it just confirmed what I thought in that he's very Rafa in his team setups.  He's not Klopp and probably will never be Klopp.  Doesn't mean he can't evolve but with the way the modern game is now I think there is a ceiling to this style.  Guess we'll see.

I don't think that you've watched many games at all,he had Rangers playing a very similar style to us,they only set up semi defensively in Europe for obvious reasons.


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Re: Stevie Gerrard - The Manager Watch
« Reply #1217 on: November 29, 2021, 02:08:34 pm »
Why is their hatred for Villa? They are not our rivals in any sense unless I am missing something. I hope Stevie does well so I am fine with Villa doing well as long as they lose to us.


I think it stems from them. A lot of their fans developed a hate towards us in the 80's, and I think that's fed down over the years. There were the four whoppers on the train that time taking the piss out of Gerrard for not getting to the FA Cup final on his birthday.
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Re: Stevie Gerrard - The Manager Watch
« Reply #1218 on: November 29, 2021, 05:58:43 pm »
No, I've previously said this after watching a handful of Rangers Europa games and what I've seen in the PL just continues that asshole.

So you've seen nothing of Rangers in the league where he got them up from 3rd when he started out to winning the title unbeaten, but a few games in the Europa League going against strong sides for their level and then are critical of style of play he has setup for Villa, who were on a 5 game losing streak before he was appointed?

Nice. But his priorities are going to be getting his side tough to beat, stop the leaky defense, get some good points and climb up the table, than to appease a random poster in a Liverpool forum. Thanks for your views though.

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Re: Stevie Gerrard - The Manager Watch
« Reply #1219 on: November 29, 2021, 06:09:11 pm »

I think it stems from them. A lot of their fans developed a hate towards us in the 80's, and I think that's fed down over the years. There were the four whoppers on the train that time taking the piss out of Gerrard for not getting to the FA Cup final on his birthday.

I always find them to be particularly obnoxious away fans at Anfield. They've always got the full banter bus repertoire.

Nothing against them otherwise but you know when you're playing Villa the full arsehole songbook comes out,.
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Re: Stevie Gerrard - The Manager Watch
« Reply #1220 on: November 29, 2021, 06:28:37 pm »
Just listening MOTD Gerrard post match interview.  How the hell can someone relatively new to management talk like that is a real surprise.  Don’t underestimate him, he knows what he’s doing. Villa are looking very lucky to have him

I'm not going to take him seriously until he mentions how proud the lads are to wear the shirt, and tells us how Villa are one of the biggest clubs in the world.

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Re: Stevie Gerrard - The Manager Watch
« Reply #1221 on: November 29, 2021, 07:23:35 pm »
So you've seen nothing of Rangers in the league where he got them up from 3rd when he started out to winning the title unbeaten, but a few games in the Europa League going against strong sides for their level and then are critical of style of play he has setup for Villa, who were on a 5 game losing streak before he was appointed?

Nice. But his priorities are going to be getting his side tough to beat, stop the leaky defense, get some good points and climb up the table, than to appease a random poster in a Liverpool forum. Thanks for your views though.

I'm sorry, can you point me to where I'm being critical?  Is just saying that the play style has a ceiling and he's not Klopp critical?  Aside from that I said nothing good nor bad about it but I think it just goes to show that almost any Gerrard/Manager conversation is going to be a terrible one on these boards and for this fan base.

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Re: Stevie Gerrard - The Manager Watch
« Reply #1222 on: November 29, 2021, 07:53:53 pm »
No, I've previously said this after watching a handful of Rangers Europa games and what I've seen in the PL just continues that asshole.

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Re: Stevie Gerrard - The Manager Watch
« Reply #1223 on: November 29, 2021, 07:58:42 pm »

I think it stems from them. A lot of their fans developed a hate towards us in the 80's, and I think that's fed down over the years. There were the four whoppers on the train that time taking the piss out of Gerrard for not getting to the FA Cup final on his birthday.

Saw that one, Nobby. To be fair none of them looked like the full shilling to me. I think they'd all escaped the half nine bus...
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Re: Stevie Gerrard - The Manager Watch
« Reply #1224 on: November 30, 2021, 09:11:10 am »
Good start but they wouldn't concede that goal if Lampard or Scholes was in charge.

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Re: Stevie Gerrard - The Manager Watch
« Reply #1225 on: November 30, 2021, 01:32:43 pm »
Just three more years Stevie!
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Re: Stevie Gerrard - The Manager Watch
« Reply #1226 on: November 30, 2021, 01:51:41 pm »
Just three more years Stevie!

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Re: Stevie Gerrard - The Manager Watch
« Reply #1227 on: December 5, 2021, 06:41:30 pm »
Got to be honest, I never really bought in to the Steve manager hype, but he really seems to know what he's doing. Might have just finished Rogers for a while.

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Re: Stevie Gerrard - The Manager Watch
« Reply #1228 on: December 5, 2021, 06:49:41 pm »
Just three more years Stevie!

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Re: Stevie Gerrard - The Manager Watch
« Reply #1229 on: December 5, 2021, 07:50:45 pm »
Got to be honest, I never really bought in to the Steve manager hype, but he really seems to know what he's doing. Might have just finished Rogers for a while.

Has good staff around him as well which helps and took them with him from Rangers. Beale is his Ljinders.

Seems a natural as a manager.
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Re: Stevie Gerrard - The Manager Watch
« Reply #1230 on: December 5, 2021, 11:01:50 pm »
So you've seen nothing of Rangers in the league where he got them up from 3rd when he started out to winning the title unbeaten, but a few games in the Europa League going against strong sides for their level and then are critical of style of play he has setup for Villa, who were on a 5 game losing streak before he was appointed?

Nice. But his priorities are going to be getting his side tough to beat, stop the leaky defense, get some good points and climb up the table, than to appease a random poster in a Liverpool forum. Thanks for your views though.

Jesus Christ, calm down, the poster literally said stevie tends to play a defensively solid style. Which he does on evidence.

The poster then noted that that style has a ceiling at the moment, which when you look around Europes leagues is also a reasonable thing to say.
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Re: Stevie Gerrard - The Manager Watch
« Reply #1231 on: December 6, 2021, 03:00:24 am »
I'm surprised at how well he's done and also how he's handling himself. He seems to have gained a lot of personal strength in the last few months - or he's putting on a good face

Can't figure out what his team's identity is though - will be interesting to look back in a few years to see if we can figure out what a Gerrard style team looks like

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Re: Stevie Gerrard - The Manager Watch
« Reply #1232 on: December 6, 2021, 04:52:19 am »
Jesus Christ, calm down, the poster literally said stevie tends to play a defensively solid style. Which he does on evidence.

The poster then noted that that style has a ceiling at the moment, which when you look around Europes leagues is also a reasonable thing to say.

Oh, I'm calm.

Yeah, Rangers conceded only 13 goals in a whole League season, so yes they were defensively very god, but they weren't 'defensive'. They also scored 92 goals in the League which isn't talked about. They've scored goals in some tough European games as well for their level.

And his proposition only makes sense on the outside. If you really followed Gerrard's previous management tenure, which he did not (he just watched a few European games and a couple of games for Villa), then you would know that it is not true that his sides are that defensive. They are defensively good, but Rangers also played some good football within their limitations.

I'm not saying that Villa will play a swashbuckling style under him, they were in a row of 5 losses when he was appointed, and they have a bottom half level side. Watkins is good, Martinez is good, McGinn is decent, Bailey may be good, but isn't available a lot of time. That's it. The rest of the squad needs a lot of work. Also, they were leaking goals before him. Hence, it's understandable that he has come in and tried fixing the defense first. In fact, they kept City to around 1 xG - not many sides do that and still manage to score a goal. All these do not imply by themselves that he is a defensive coach, nor that he will be defensive when he makes the step up to a top team like what he is claiming (any team that is). 

My post clearly explains the absurdity of coming to such a conclusion having watched a handful of games under his management.

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Re: Stevie Gerrard - The Manager Watch
« Reply #1233 on: December 6, 2021, 04:55:46 am »
Oh, I'm calm.

Yeah, Rangers conceded only 13 goals in a whole League season, so yes they were defensively very god, but they weren't 'defensive'. They also scored 92 goals in the League which isn't talked about. They've scored goals in some tough European games as well for their level.

And his proposition only makes sense on the outside. If you really followed Gerrard's previous management tenure, which he did not (he just watched a few European games and a couple of games for Villa), then you would know that it is not true that his sides are that defensive. They are defensively good, but Rangers also played some good football within their limitations.

I'm not saying that Villa will play a swashbuckling style under him, they were in a row of 5 losses when he was appointed, and they have a bottom half level side. Watkins is good, Martinez is good, McGinn is decent, Bailey may be good, but isn't available a lot of time. That's it. The rest of the squad needs a lot of work. Also, they were leaking goals before him. Hence, it's understandable that he has come in and tried fixing the defense first. In fact, they kept City to around 1 xG - not many sides do that and still manage to score a goal. All these do not imply by themselves that he is a defensive coach, nor that he will be defensive when he makes the step up to a top team like what he is claiming (any team that is). 

My post clearly explains the absurdity of coming to such a conclusion having watched a handful of games under his management.
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« Reply #1234 on: December 6, 2021, 05:07:38 am »
I would say Cash is also good. He’s been their best player this season whenever I’ve seen them.

Cash is defensively okay, and he goes forward in good moments, but he's not a good crosser. He has the occasional moments, but he had so much time and space yesterday, but wasted them all by shooting at the near post or crossing over everyone.

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Re: Stevie Gerrard - The Manager Watch
« Reply #1235 on: December 6, 2021, 08:01:11 am »


I'm not saying that Villa will play a swashbuckling style under him, they were in a row of 5 losses when he was appointed, and they have a bottom half level side. Watkins is good, Martinez is good, McGinn is decent, Bailey may be good, but isn't available a lot of time. That's it. The rest of the squad needs a lot of work. Also, they were leaking goals before him. Hence, it's understandable that he has come in and tried fixing the defense first. In fact, they kept City to around 1 xG - not many sides do that and still manage to score a goal. All these do not imply by themselves that he is a defensive coach, nor that he will be defensive when he makes the step up to a top team like what he is claiming (any team that is). 


Those 5 losses don't really tell the whole story - could've easily been draws/wins!

I personally think they have a top half side - so do the owners I believe - that's why Smith was sacked.

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Re: Stevie Gerrard - The Manager Watch
« Reply #1236 on: December 6, 2021, 10:10:43 am »
I would say Cash is also good. He’s been their best player this season whenever I’ve seen them.

Cash alone won't bring success.
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Re: Stevie Gerrard - The Manager Watch
« Reply #1237 on: December 6, 2021, 10:18:42 am »
Oh, I'm calm.

Yeah, Rangers conceded only 13 goals in a whole League season, so yes they were defensively very god, but they weren't 'defensive'. They also scored 92 goals in the League which isn't talked about. They've scored goals in some tough European games as well for their level.

And his proposition only makes sense on the outside. If you really followed Gerrard's previous management tenure, which he did not (he just watched a few European games and a couple of games for Villa), then you would know that it is not true that his sides are that defensive. They are defensively good, but Rangers also played some good football within their limitations.

I'm not saying that Villa will play a swashbuckling style under him, they were in a row of 5 losses when he was appointed, and they have a bottom half level side. Watkins is good, Martinez is good, McGinn is decent, Bailey may be good, but isn't available a lot of time. That's it. The rest of the squad needs a lot of work. Also, they were leaking goals before him. Hence, it's understandable that he has come in and tried fixing the defense first. In fact, they kept City to around 1 xG - not many sides do that and still manage to score a goal. All these do not imply by themselves that he is a defensive coach, nor that he will be defensive when he makes the step up to a top team like what he is claiming (any team that is). 

My post clearly explains the absurdity of coming to such a conclusion having watched a handful of games under his management.

Agree with a lot of what you say about Stevie....but I'm not sure they have a bottom half level side. Martinez is a good keeper. Cash, Konsa, Targett, Mings and Hause are all decent PL defenders (to difference extents). Luiz and McGinn in particular are good midfielders and then they've got a good range attackers in Watkins, Ings, Buendia, Bailey, El Ghazi, Trezeguet and Traore. Its why I thought it was a smart move by him.

And absolutely nothing wrong whatsoever with a manager using tactics best suited to his players to get the best results. AGAIN its people having this idea that he's auditioning for the Liverpool job.
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Re: Stevie Gerrard - The Manager Watch
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Re: Stevie Gerrard - The Manager Watch
« Reply #1239 on: December 6, 2021, 12:13:24 pm »
Agree with a lot of what you say about Stevie....but I'm not sure they have a bottom half level side. Martinez is a good keeper. Cash, Konsa, Targett, Mings and Hause are all decent PL defenders (to difference extents). Luiz and McGinn in particular are good midfielders and then they've got a good range attackers in Watkins, Ings, Buendia, Bailey, El Ghazi, Trezeguet and Traore. Its why I thought it was a smart move by him.

And absolutely nothing wrong whatsoever with a manager using tactics best suited to his players to get the best results. AGAIN its people having this idea that he's auditioning for the Liverpool job.

I get what you're saying, but that same defense you mentioned was leaking goals left, right and center before Stevie went there. They are all limited on the ball and there was not one leader in that defense who could stabilize their defense when they were struggling, nor could they organize themselves. Not being good on the ball and still defending like that doesn't make them good players. They're looking okay now, because Stevie has come in and organized them.

I like McGinn, who has a good left foot, but Luiz isn't that good. Defensively he has done okay at times, but he has been slow on the ball often.

As for the attackers you mentioned, we all know about Ings' injury record. He is currently injured. Bailey is injured as well and has had a stop start at Villa. He is yet to settle, and has had work rate issues in his previous club, so who knows if he would settle at all? Buendia has not at all clicked for them and in the few games I watched, he tried to hold on to the ball too long and dribbled into blind alleys. Villa fans are extremely disappointed with him. He may or may not make it. Maybe Stevie can improve him, but so far, he's been poor. I agree with Traore, but he has been injured for about 2-3 months now. Trezeguet is just being back training after a serious injury and frankly, he is not even that good. I've liked El Ghazi, but for some reason he isn't starting recently. So, it's a bunch of so and so players with an iffy injury record. Watkins is the standout one.

If we're comparing teams, us, City and Chelsea are on a whole different league. Then there are Man United, Spurs and Arsenal, who clearly have better teams. West Ham and Leicester are much better too. That makes it 8 teams who are clearly better than Villa. For me, Wolves are a more settled and a better side as well. They finished 7th twice before last season and even though they finished below Villa last season, they have regrouped, have only conceded 13 goals this season so far. Players like Jimenez, Traore (however frustrating he is), Neves, Ait Nouri, Dendoncker, Neto, Podence, Semedo are all better than most of Villa's players. I consider Brighton better too. The likes of Lallana, Bissouma, Lamptey and Trossard are a level above anything Villa have got in outfield. There are many other decent footballers with them. They just lack a good finisher. Otherwise, they'd be up in the table with the chances they create. That makes it 10 sides who are better than Villa at the moment and with better teams.

Villa is in that bracket along with Everton, Palace, Southampton and Leeds, so it's not a far-fetched idea to think that their team has the talents of a bottom-half side. Only Brentford (who are over-achieving), Norwich and Burnley have clearly inferior sides than them. Newcastle are under-achieving, and Watford have a decent attack, they need to fix their defense which is horrible.

In short, they are in that bracket between the Top 10 sides and 3-4 poor sides in the league.

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