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New laws being considered.
« on: June 17, 2017, 06:53:50 pm »
Yes here we go boys and girls. More tampering being looked at. Some of it is just ridiculousness of the highest order.




A proposal to scrap 45-minute halves is to be looked at by football's lawmakers to deter time-wasting.

Instead, there could be two periods of 30 minutes with the clock stopped whenever the ball goes out of play.

Lawmaking body the International Football Association Board (Ifab) says matches only see about 60 minutes of "effective playing time" out of 90.

The idea is one of several put forward in a new strategy document designed to address football's "negativities".

Another proposal would see players not being allowed to follow up and score if a penalty is saved - if the spot-kick "is not successful", play would stop and a goal-kick awarded.

Other ideas include a stadium clock linked to a referee's watch and a new rule allowing players to effectively pass to themselves or dribble the ball when taking a free-kick.

Where have these proposals come from?

The ideas have been put forward to Ifab by stakeholders in the game to tackle "on-field issues" and form part of what it calls its "Play Fair strategy", which has three aims of:

improving player behaviour and increasing respect
increasing playing time
increasing fairness and attractiveness
Part of the problem the new document highlights is that a 90-minute match has fewer than 60 minutes of playing time because of stoppages and time-wasting.

Which plans need no law changes?

The document has put forward a number of radical ideas for discussion, but suggests some proposals can be implemented immediately without the need for law changes.

Most of these apply to trying to combat time-wasting. The document says match officials should be stricter on the rule which allows keepers to hold the ball for six seconds and be more stringent when calculating additional time.

Additionally, it suggests match officials stop their watch:

from a penalty being awarded to the spot-kick being taken
from a goal being scored until the match resumes from the kick-off
from asking an injured player if he requires treatment to play restarting
from the referee showing a yellow or red card to play resuming
from the signal of a substitution to play restarting
from a referee starting to pace a free-kick to when it is taken
Which plans are ready for testing?

Some of the proposals are already being tested. The idea of only allowing captains to speak to referees - to prevent match officials being mobbed - will be trialled at this summer's Confederations Cup, which starts on Saturday.

Another proposal involves changing the order of kick-taking in penalty shoot-outs, known as 'ABBA'. It is similar to a tie-break in tennis, with team A taking the first kick, then team B taking two, then team A taking two. That is a change from the traditional 'team A, team B, team A, team B' pattern.

New suggestions also include players who are being substituted leaving at the closest part of the touchline to them instead of at the halfway line.

Which ideas are up for discussion?

This is where it gets interesting. One of the proposals would allow being able to dribble straight from a free-kick to "encourage attacking play as the player who is fouled can stop the ball and then immediately continue their dribble/attacking move". Other measures include:

passing to yourself at a free-kick, corner and goal-kick
a stadium clock which stops and starts along with the referee's watch
allowing the goal-kick to be taken even if the ball is moving
a goal-kick being taken on the same side that the ball went out on
a "clearer and more consistent definition" of handball
a player who scores a goal or stops a goal with his hands gets a red card
a keeper who handles a backpass or throw-in from a team-mate concedes a penalty
the referee can award a goal if a player stops a goal being scored by handling on or close to the goal-line
referees can only blow for half-time or full-time when the ball goes out of play
a penalty kick is either scored or missed/saved and players cannot follow up to score to stop encroachment into the penalty area
Who has come up with these proposals?

Ifab is made up of Fifa and the four British home football associations - of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland - and is responsible for making the final decision on law changes.

Former English referee David Elleray is Ifab's technical director and has overseen the document.

"Referees, players, coaches and fans all agree that improving player behaviour and respect for all participants and especially match officials, increasing playing time and the game's fairness and attractiveness must be football's main priority," he said.

The next stage would involve the ideas being discussed at various meetings before decisions are taken on whether to develop them further or discard them.


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Re: New laws being considered.
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2017, 06:56:43 pm »
And the answer is B, no.

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Re: New laws being considered.
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2017, 06:59:43 pm »
And the answer is B, no.

I bloody hope not mate, most of it is just pish. Though as a fan of Pen shootouts I wouldnt mind that system they had in the 90's, in American soccer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRITqS6WEn0

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Re: New laws being considered.
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2017, 07:03:45 pm »
Has Van Basten been on the wacky backy again?
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Re: New laws being considered.
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2017, 07:06:10 pm »
I bloody hope not mate, most of it is just pish. Though as a fan of Pen shootouts I wouldnt mind that system they had in the 90's, in American soccer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRITqS6WEn0



I wish they would just run two shootouts simultaneously, one at each end of the pitch and have all 10 outfield players taking kicks, that would generally be more than enough to sort out the result and would remove the one guy losing the whole thing factor.

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Re: New laws being considered.
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2017, 07:31:32 pm »
I wish they would just run two shootouts simultaneously, one at each end of the pitch and have all 10 outfield players taking kicks, that would generally be more than enough to sort out the result and would remove the one guy losing the whole thing factor.


Hahaha now thats a bit mad, but I like it :D
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Re: New laws being considered.
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2017, 07:32:53 pm »
I bloody hope not mate, most of it is just pish. Though as a fan of Pen shootouts I wouldnt mind that system they had in the 90's, in American soccer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRITqS6WEn0

:lmao :lmao

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Re: New laws being considered.
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2017, 07:33:37 pm »
:lmao :lmao

That's class.

Isnt it just. Imagine so of the fun that could be had with that way of doing it :D
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Re: New laws being considered.
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2017, 07:38:52 pm »
Isnt it just. Imagine so of the fun that could be had with that way of doing it :D

We'd be fucked, Mignolet would never come off his line :D

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Re: New laws being considered.
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2017, 07:40:56 pm »
While I disagree with most of the things mentioned, there are a couple of fair points there

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allowing the goal-kick to be taken even if the ball is moving
a "clearer and more consistent definition" of handball

Nothing wrong with that, in my opinion. I would even argue that players could take free kicks on their side of the pitch even if the ball is moving or not in the same place where the foul was committed, just to remove some of the downtime in football...

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Re: New laws being considered.
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2017, 07:46:17 pm »
I like the clock being stopped idea.  Would mean the end of time wasting forvever.

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« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2017, 07:46:29 pm »
While I disagree with most of the things mentioned, there are a couple of fair points there

Nothing wrong with that, in my opinion. I would even argue that players could take free kicks on their side of the pitch even if the ball is moving or not in the same place where the foul was committed, just to remove some of the downtime in football...

I'd rather there were less free kicks in the first place by somehow stopping grown men falling over if their socks are brushed.


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Re: New laws being considered.
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2017, 10:33:44 pm »
I like the clock being stopped idea.  Would mean the end of time wasting forvever.

I've been saying this for ages, both codes of Rugby have a timekeeper in the stands who stops the clock for stoppages, the same clock is on the scoreboard & TV so everyone knows how long is left, you none of this where did the extra 5 minutes come from ecc.

The penalty one is ridiculous, rebounds are part of the game, imagine Istanbul with Alonso's rebound being disallowed.
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Re: New laws being considered.
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2017, 10:42:25 pm »
The games only been played about 150 fucking years .... I know, lets randomly change the fucking rules on a whim .... yes that will be good.

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« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2017, 10:51:48 pm »
So, because of timewasting, matches typically only 'really' last 60 mins.

The proposed solution is to shorten matches to 60 mins, and stop the clock. So really, nothing changes, and the timewasters succeed in getting the rules changed to suit them.

Better idea would surely be to extend games to 120 mins, unless I'm missing something?

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Re: New laws being considered.
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2017, 10:57:05 pm »
I bloody hope not mate, most of it is just pish. Though as a fan of Pen shootouts I wouldnt mind that system they had in the 90's, in American soccer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRITqS6WEn0

:D

Looks like they followed the ice hockey model, where they start from half way and can make any moves apart from backwards, towards the goalie before taking a shot from wherever they want.

As for all them suggestions. Even though the 30 min halves one is a bit mad, I do think more needs to be done regards time wasting. Just adding 1 min end of the first half and 3 / 4 mins the end of the 2nd half doesn't cover half of it. But I guess you have to draw a line, if you don't go with the stopping clock idea.

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Re: New laws being considered.
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2017, 11:09:16 pm »
I'd like to know who these "stakeholders" are?  Sponsors?
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Re: New laws being considered.
« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2017, 11:22:23 pm »
We'd be fucked, Mignolet would never come off his line :D

Hahahaha
I like the clock being stopped idea.  Would mean the end of time wasting forvever.



The penalty one is ridiculous, rebounds are part of the game, imagine Istanbul with Alonso's rebound being disallowed.
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Absolutely!

The games only been played about 150 fucking years .... I know, lets randomly change the fucking rules on a whim .... yes that will be good.

Corporate wankers  :no

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Looks like they followed the ice hockey model, where they start from half way and can make any moves apart from backwards, towards the goalie before taking a shot from wherever they want.



Yup, I like it :D
I'd like to know who these "stakeholders" are?  Sponsors?


Without a doubt ;)
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Re: New laws being considered.
« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2017, 12:02:59 am »
So, because of timewasting, matches typically only 'really' last 60 mins.

The proposed solution is to shorten matches to 60 mins, and stop the clock. So really, nothing changes, and the timewasters succeed in getting the rules changed to suit them.

Better idea would surely be to extend games to 120 mins, unless I'm missing something?

Yep, you are. Matches don't last 60 minutes "because of time- wasting" like you say. That's how long a typical match lasts.

"Time wasters succeed in getting the rules changed to suit them"? Wtf do you mean!?!

The whole point is that we get around the same amount of game time but time-wasting is now obsolete.

We no longer have referees adding random amounts of time and stopping the game "when they feel like it".

A look at the time keeping is well overdue, whatever the solution. For the biggest sport in the world, the current method is a joke.
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Re: New laws being considered.
« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2017, 12:07:47 am »
I've been saying this for ages, both codes of Rugby have a timekeeper in the stands who stops the clock for stoppages, the same clock is on the scoreboard & TV so everyone knows how long is left, you none of this where did the extra 5 minutes come from ecc.



I agree, it baffles me that football lags behind in this.  A mic'd up ref says when time is stopped and everyone knows how long we have left.  I'd like to see refs fully mic'd up in any case.  It stops intimidation if nothing else.

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Re: New laws being considered.
« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2017, 12:53:59 am »
"the referee can award a goal if a player stops a goal being scored by handling on or close to the goal-line"
That's the only one that makes sense and actually would go some to improving the game's fairness.

The rest are up there with the ideas they had in the US, namely the "kick ins" rather than throw ins, and the hockey type penalties rather than the normal penalties.
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Re: New laws being considered.
« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2017, 01:02:11 am »
"the referee can award a goal if a player stops a goal being scored by handling on or close to the goal-line"
That's the only one that makes sense and actually would go some to improving the game's fairness.

The rest are up there with the ideas they had in the US, namely the "kick ins" rather than throw ins, and the hockey type penalties rather than the normal penalties.

A little bit like goaltending in basketball? I would be all for that.

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« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2017, 01:19:17 am »
So basically, we only get 60 minutes of action and that's a bad thing but they want to make sure we still get that very same 60 minutes of action by reducing the game to 60 minutes? :o

It's SUPPOSED to be a 90 minute game! Use the stopping of the clock but there's no need to reduce the timing.

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« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2017, 01:31:28 am »
So basically, we only get 60 minutes of action and that's a bad thing but they want to make sure we still get that very same 60 minutes of action by reducing the game to 60 minutes? :o

It's SUPPOSED to be a 90 minute game! Use the stopping of the clock but there's no need to reduce the timing.

Agreed. That list of situations where the clock should be stopped doesn't even include the ball going out of play, when aside from players faking injuries the biggest chunk of timewasting surely comes from players taking millennia to take goal kicks/throw ins. What's stoppage time for, anyway? Be harsher on timewasting, sure, but not by, er, reducing the length of matches...

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« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2017, 02:53:45 am »
So basically, we only get 60 minutes of action and that's a bad thing but they want to make sure we still get that very same 60 minutes of action by reducing the game to 60 minutes? :o

It's SUPPOSED to be a 90 minute game! Use the stopping of the clock but there's no need to reduce the timing.

No one is saying that getting 60 minutes of play is a bad thing.

It's baffling how many of you are misunderstanding this.

A 90 minute game with proper clock stoppages would go for 135 minutes.

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Re: New laws being considered.
« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2017, 03:00:41 am »
"the referee can award a goal if a player stops a goal being scored by handling on or close to the goal-line"
That's the only one that makes sense and actually would go some to improving the game's fairness.

The rest are up there with the ideas they had in the US, namely the "kick ins" rather than throw ins, and the hockey type penalties rather than the normal penalties.

Yup a lot of it is bollocks, but that I agree with. Like v the Ev 10 years back when Lucas' shot was handleed on the line by Phil Neville. Yes Kuyt put away the very pressured pen in the dying mins, but it take away the chance for it to be missed.
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« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2017, 05:22:48 am »
As an NFL fan, please let me assure you that clock stoppages etc are bad ideas.
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« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2017, 05:29:05 am »
As an NFL fan, please let me assure you that clock stoppages etc are bad ideas.

What? Why?

It's not extending the game. Players will still be given the same amount of time to restart pay.

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« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2017, 07:09:47 am »
If 60 minutes of action is what we are getting today then clock stoppages would not be a bad thing. We would all know how much is left of the game instead of having the ref decide that. The clock is very precise, the ref is not.

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Re: New laws being considered.
« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2017, 07:49:20 am »
"the referee can award a goal if a player stops a goal being scored by handling on or close to the goal-line"
That's the only one that makes sense and actually would go some to improving the game's fairness.

The rest are up there with the ideas they had in the US, namely the "kick ins" rather than throw ins, and the hockey type penalties rather than the normal penalties.

Give the player who took the original shot a penalty with no one on the goal line. That way they get to actually score the goal.
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« Reply #30 on: June 18, 2017, 08:33:53 am »
Stopping the clock one would be funny, it would force c*nts like shit coat to think about trying to play actual football.

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Re: New laws being considered.
« Reply #31 on: June 18, 2017, 08:47:55 am »
Some of the time wasting is probably necessary for recovery, especially at the speed the game is played these days.

Most of these ideas are bonkers, though I do like the ref only ending the game/half when the ball is out of play and the stadium clock being synced with the ref's watch.
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« Reply #32 on: June 18, 2017, 09:23:26 am »
Give the player who took the original shot a penalty with no one on the goal line. That way they get to actually score the goal.

No guarantee of scoring a pen, guaranteed of a goal if a player doesn't handle it on the line though.

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« Reply #33 on: June 18, 2017, 09:54:26 am »
No one is saying that getting 60 minutes of play is a bad thing.

It's baffling how many of you are misunderstanding this.

A 90 minute game with proper clock stoppages would go for 135 minutes.

Well they are because a vast majority of comments that I've seen have been negative.

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« Reply #34 on: June 18, 2017, 10:03:07 am »
30-minute halves? No no no.

Perhaps stopping the clock during goal celebrations and substitutions would be okay with me but not creating a completely new sport.
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« Reply #35 on: June 18, 2017, 10:10:32 am »
The games only been played about 150 fucking years .... I know, lets randomly change the fucking rules on a whim .... yes that will be good.

Corporate wankers  :no

Well quite a few rules have changed in the 150 years, don't see why we should accept this current format as the best one there will ever be.

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« Reply #36 on: June 18, 2017, 10:20:02 am »
One of the proposals would allow being able to dribble straight from a free-kick to "encourage attacking play as the player who is fouled can stop the ball and then immediately continue their dribble/attacking move

This sounds like a good idea.  Adds an extra dimension to the game, and surely favours attacking, skilful players and hinders cheats and hoof merchants.

Also,

players who are being substituted leaving at the closest part of the touchline to them instead of at the halfway line.

Fucking sick of watching dickheads slowly walking off the pitch at 1-0 with 5 left to play clapping the fans.  Get the fuck off the pitch.

You guys are so conservative, football isn't perfect, it probably shouldn't be placed in aspic.  When I look back at the odd game from when I was kid, it's all passing back to the keeper and kicking the fuck out of the skilful players.  But I remember when they introduced the back pass rule everyone, myself included, thought it was absurd.

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Re: New laws being considered.
« Reply #37 on: June 18, 2017, 10:21:12 am »
I bet I could easily find 50 games last season that contained more than 30 minutes of gameplay using the directions they've laid out.

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Re: New laws being considered.
« Reply #38 on: June 18, 2017, 11:21:47 am »
What? Why?

It's not extending the game. Players will still be given the same amount of time to restart pay.

Because once the clock has stopped, it is a short step to a mandatory minimum time before it can restart, and you open the door to mid game ads.


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Re: New laws being considered.
« Reply #39 on: June 18, 2017, 11:37:03 am »
Well quite a few rules have changed in the 150 years, don't see why we should accept this current format as the best one there will ever be.

Yeah over the whole 150 year period.

Back pass rule - good
Offsides - Now a mess
Kick off Square - whose bothered either way?
Goal line technology - good

Now these idiots are throwing about 10 potential changes in at once? If these are accepted it will set a precedent of them being able to change stuff regularly.

Who can forget the USA wanting the goals making bigger in the '94 World Cup for more goals.... Stupid rule changes like that will be common place.