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Re: Jo Cox, Labour MP for Batley and Spen, murdered
« Reply #80 on: June 16, 2016, 06:40:50 pm »
I know there is a temptation to cast blame, but I'm not sure it's entirely appropriate at the moment.

Not the time or the place, just a matter of respect for her poor family.

Could we do the blaming later please?

You know what, I know you're right and I hate seeing anyone's death be used for political point scoring. But I'm struggling with this news. Something like this has been coming, it's a direct result of the politics of hate and fear that has been peddled for the last few years. As has already been said, this wasn't a random act of violence, this was a premeditated, politically motivated attack.

I won't say anymore because I'm feeling too angry to discuss this in a coherent way, so I will leave it for now.

All I will say is RIP and condolences to her family.

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Re: Jo Cox, Labour MP for Batley and Spen, murdered
« Reply #81 on: June 16, 2016, 06:45:26 pm »
You know what, I know you're right and I hate seeing anyone's death be used for political point scoring. But I'm struggling with this news. Something like this has been coming, it's a direct result of the politics of hate and fear that has been peddled for the last few years. As has already been said, this wasn't a random act of violence, this was a premeditated, politically motivated attack.

I won't say anymore because I'm feeling too angry to discuss this in a coherent way, so I will leave it for now.

All I will say is RIP and condolences to her family.

All I'll say is I know how you feel mate.
Just angry and feel quite sick right now hearing about this on the news from eye witnesses.

What do these vile people hope to achieve by such attacks? Apart from a devastating a family.
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Re: Jo Cox, Labour MP for Batley and Spen, murdered
« Reply #82 on: June 16, 2016, 06:47:58 pm »
Horrible act. Hate and fear and intolerance leads to acts like this.
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Re: Jo Cox, Labour MP for Batley and Spen, murdered
« Reply #83 on: June 16, 2016, 06:48:37 pm »
Am the same. just getting more angry and upset the more I hear about that poor girl.
This country lost something today. It's innocence or something, just awful.

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Re: Jo Cox, Labour MP for Batley and Spen, murdered
« Reply #84 on: June 16, 2016, 06:50:05 pm »
Sickening news.

RIP.

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« Reply #85 on: June 16, 2016, 06:57:11 pm »
This is sickening, depressing and fucking wrong.
Fucking uncivilised.
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Re: Jo Cox, Labour MP for Batley and Spen, murdered
« Reply #86 on: June 16, 2016, 06:58:55 pm »
Regardless of political views, no one deserves to lose their life when they are simply going about their business doing their job. I dearly hope that this was not a pre-meditated political attack, and is just the act of a disturbed individual. Hopefully the facts will make themselves known over the coming days and weeks.

What an appalling thing to happen, absolutely awful.

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Re: Jo Cox, Labour MP for Batley and Spen, murdered
« Reply #87 on: June 16, 2016, 06:59:03 pm »
Terrible, terrible news. I am so sad for her family. May she rest in peace.
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Re: Jo Cox, Labour MP for Batley and Spen, murdered
« Reply #88 on: June 16, 2016, 07:02:05 pm »
The act of those who wish others to live in fear and so give them free rein to peddle violence and hate. Because there is not political argument they can make that they can win this is what they resort to, regardless of whether it is one person acting alone or representing a group, not matter how marginalized or maligned.

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Re: Jo Cox, Labour MP for Batley and Spen, murdered
« Reply #89 on: June 16, 2016, 07:02:56 pm »
Unfathomable, just appalling and tragic loss of life. Absolutely sickening. Truly shocking news.

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Re: Jo Cox, Labour MP for Batley and Spen, murdered
« Reply #90 on: June 16, 2016, 07:06:16 pm »
The Guardian view on Jo Cox: an attack on humanity, idealism and democracy

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The MP assassinated on the street embodied decency and a commitment to all that humanity has in common. What a contrast with her assailant and so much that is rotten in politics

The slide from civilisation to barbarism is shorter than we might like to imagine. Every violent crime taints the ideal of an orderly society, but when that crime is committed against the people who are peacefully selected to write the rules, then the affront is that much more profound.

The assassination, by stabbing and repeated shooting in the street, of Jo Cox is, in the first instance, an exceptionally heinous villainy, as the killing of a mother of young children is bound to be. It is also, however, and in a very real sense, an attack on democracy. Here was the MP whom the citizens of Batley and Spen had entrusted to represent them, fresh from conducting her duty to solve the practical problems of those same citizens in a constituency surgery. To single her out, at this time and in this place, is to turn a gun on every value of which decent Britons are justifiably proud.

Jo Cox, however, was not just any MP doing her duty. She was also an MP who was driven by an ideal. She explained what that was as eloquently as anyone could in her maiden speech last year. “Our communities have been deeply enhanced by immigration,” the new member said, “be it of Irish Catholics across the constituency or of Muslims from Gujarat in India or from Pakistan, principally from Kashmir. While we celebrate our diversity, what surprises me time and time again as I travel ​around the constituency is that we are far more united and have far more in common with each other than things that divide us.”

What nobler vision can there be than that of a society where people can be comfortable in their difference? And what more fundamental tenet of decency is there than to put first and to cherish all that which makes us human, as opposed to what divides one group from another? These are ideals which are often maligned when they are described as multiculturalism, but they are precious nonetheless. They are the ideals which led Ms Cox to campaign tirelessly for the brutalised and displaced people of Syria, and – the most painful thought – ideals for which she may have died.

This was no random event, and the police are investigating reports that the assailant yelled “Britain First” during the attack. This is not merely a chauvinist taunt, but the name of a far-right political party, whose candidate for City Hall turned his back in disgust on Sadiq Khan at the count, in sectarian rage at a great cosmopolitan city’s decision to make a Muslim mayor. The thuggish outfit denounced Ms Cox’s murder, as it was bound to do. But their brand of angry blame-mongering could very well serve to convince particular individuals, who may already be close to the edge, that some people are less than human, and thus fair game for attack. And all the more so at a time when divisive hate-mongering is seeping into the mainstream.

On Wednesday, Nigel Frottage unveiled a poster of unprecedented repugnance. The backdrop was a long and thronging line of displaced people in flight. The message: “The EU has failed us all.” The headline: “Breaking point.” The time for imagining that the Europhobes can be engaged on the basis of facts – such as the reality that a refugee crisis that started in Syria and north Africa can hardly be blamed on the EU, or the inconvenient detail that obligations under the refugee convention do not depend on EU membership – has passed. One might have still hoped, however, that even merchants of post-truth politics might hold back from the sort of entirely post-moral politics that is involved in taking the great humanitarian crisis of our time, and then whipping up hostility to the victims as a means of chivvying voters into turning their backs on the world.

The idealism of Ms Cox was the very antithesis of such brutal cynicism. Honour her memory. Because the values and the commitment that she embodied are all that we have to keep barbarism at bay.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/16/the-guardian-view-on-jo-cox-an-attack-on-humanity-idealism-and-democracy?CMP=twt_gu
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Re: Jo Cox, Labour MP for Batley and Spen, murdered
« Reply #91 on: June 16, 2016, 07:07:32 pm »
Assassinated... That's the right word isn't it.


I hadn't really though about it until I saw that article.  Assassinated, in Britain..... How?
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Re: Jo Cox, Labour MP for Batley and Spen, murdered
« Reply #92 on: June 16, 2016, 07:07:40 pm »
worst part is, the world is so SICK right now, nothing is certain, the way this is presented, who knows what is real anymore...

RIP.

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Re: Jo Cox, Labour MP for Batley and Spen, murdered
« Reply #93 on: June 16, 2016, 07:09:06 pm »
worst part is, the world is so SICK right now, nothing is certain, the way this is presented, who knows what is real anymore...

RIP.

Without wanting to send the thread off topic, it's quite easy to know what's real. Jo Cox knew what was real and what was important.
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« Reply #94 on: June 16, 2016, 07:09:43 pm »
That interview Frottage did last month is ringing in my ears.
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« Reply #95 on: June 16, 2016, 07:10:56 pm »
Did she intervene in something or was she targeted? The sickening outcome is the same, but the circumstances may be different to what we think so far.

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« Reply #96 on: June 16, 2016, 07:13:09 pm »
Did she intervene in something or was she targeted? The sickening outcome is the same, but the circumstances may be different to what we think so far.

Conflicting reports from witnesses interviewed by the press.  One said she was targeted and the guy was waiting for her, while another said she was intervening in a scuffle. 
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« Reply #97 on: June 16, 2016, 07:14:30 pm »
Without wanting to send the thread off topic, it's quite easy to know what's real. Jo Cox knew what was real and what was important.

i don´t want to, i just can´t understand all the hate between people in world right now.. that can lead to something so horrible as this...

so sorry for her family.

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« Reply #98 on: June 16, 2016, 07:14:52 pm »
Very fucking angry right now.

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Re: Jo Cox, Labour MP for Batley and Spen, murdered
« Reply #99 on: June 16, 2016, 07:17:16 pm »
There are no words, I worry for the future of this country.
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Re: Jo Cox, Labour MP for Batley and Spen, murdered
« Reply #100 on: June 16, 2016, 07:18:14 pm »
Very fucking angry right now.

RIP Jo Cox 
I understand why.  But reading about her, it's very clear that anger is the very last thing she would have wanted. 
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« Reply #101 on: June 16, 2016, 07:18:56 pm »
Assassinated... That's the right word isn't it.


I hasn't really though about it until I saw that article.  Assassinated, in Britain..... How?
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Re: Jo Cox, Labour MP for Batley and Spen, murdered
« Reply #102 on: June 16, 2016, 07:27:12 pm »
Assassinated... That's the right word isn't it.


I hadn't really though about it until I saw that article.  Assassinated, in Britain..... How?

I'm completely staggered by it, utterly devastated - that's not the Britain I proudly served in the Armed Forced of.  You'd think 10 years this side of the pond would have desensitized me to things like this.
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« Reply #103 on: June 16, 2016, 07:30:28 pm »
I can't bear this country anymore. I just can't bear it.

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« Reply #104 on: June 16, 2016, 07:31:25 pm »
I can't bear this country anymore. I just can't bear it.
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Re: Jo Cox, Labour MP for Batley and Spen, murdered
« Reply #105 on: June 16, 2016, 07:40:06 pm »
I can't bear this country anymore. I just can't bear it.

This could happen almost anywhere, there's plenty of psychos all around the planet capable of this.

Horrific act, absolute shithouse c*nt who has done this.
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« Reply #107 on: June 16, 2016, 07:51:09 pm »
it will get better, it will.
I wish I could believe that. The world is in a downward spiral and people who are being killed dont even know why theyre being killed.

I live about 10mins from where the murder took place. Birstall is known as a peaceful little town and many people know it because of the massive Ikea and Birstall Retail Park which has everything. But now people will remember it for this, it sickens me that something like this could.happen so close to home. It hit home for me because Jo Cox was a great person who came to my wedding and personally wished me the best. I hope her soul is at peace, she should not have died the way she did.
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Re: Jo Cox, Labour MP for Batley and Spen, murdered
« Reply #108 on: June 16, 2016, 07:51:13 pm »
I can't bear this country anymore. I just can't bear it.
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« Reply #110 on: June 16, 2016, 07:51:48 pm »
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« Reply #111 on: June 16, 2016, 07:55:19 pm »

Time to reconsider the rhetoric around the referendum debate?

The rhetoric of the leave campaign, you mean.


I don't understand this pussyfooting around the blame question. Only one side here preaches hatred and fear of immigration.
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« Reply #112 on: June 16, 2016, 07:57:44 pm »
Looks like they've deleted that article.

Shame, was a good starting point for a debate. Saying that, whilst noone could have predicted what happened, rhetoric and the atmosphere in the debate can have consequences. Talk of anger and don't be suprised if people get angry, talk of rage and don't be surprised if people become enraged. And talk of being under attack, or 'at breaking point', and don't be surprised if people break.

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« Reply #113 on: June 16, 2016, 07:57:45 pm »
The rhetoric of the leave campaign, you mean.


I don't understand this pussyfooting around the blame question. Only one side here preaches hatred and fear of immigration.

Don't turn this into another referendum thread.

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Re: Jo Cox, Labour MP for Batley and Spen, murdered
« Reply #114 on: June 16, 2016, 07:59:27 pm »
The rhetoric of the leave campaign, you mean.


I don't understand this pussyfooting around the blame question. Only one side here preaches hatred and fear of immigration.

As Claire says - not the time for it. We've locked the referendum thread.
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« Reply #115 on: June 16, 2016, 08:01:12 pm »
Speechless.
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« Reply #116 on: June 16, 2016, 08:01:17 pm »
Shocking to hear about this.

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Re: Jo Cox, Labour MP for Batley and Spen, murdered
« Reply #117 on: June 16, 2016, 08:02:32 pm »
Don't turn this into another referendum thread.

Sorry, that was my fault. Hard to see it without looking through the prism of the referendum but you are right- not the time.

An extremely talented, caring and well liked person and MP has tragically lost been murdered, its a sad day for everyone concerned and our country.

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« Reply #118 on: June 16, 2016, 08:10:43 pm »
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Re: Jo Cox, Labour MP for Batley and Spen, murdered
« Reply #119 on: June 16, 2016, 08:18:20 pm »
Looks like they've deleted that article.

It is up on The Spectator.
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