Topic: Sunderland

[TSC]

He'll prob keep them up, or if he can't then no-one can.

[Pelé as a Comedian]

He'll prob keep them up, or if he can't then no-one can.

doesnt quite work that way, they do have a pretty shit squad. kinda wanna see them do good on account of Borini and Coates, but then again they've got Adam Johnson and Cattermole so..

[rafathegaffa83]

He keeps clubs up is why he gets the jobs. In the Luddite world of British football his use of statistics makes in some respects more progressive than other British managers of recent years

[ThePeetmix]

From the BBC - Allardyce's managerial record:

Team	Games	Win	Draw	Loss	For	Against	Win %
Bolton	226	80	66	80	275	301	35.4
Newcastle	21	7	5	9	27	33	33.33
Blackburn	76	26	21	29	86	108	34.21
West Ham	114	35	28	51	129	151	30.7
Total	437	148	120	169	517	593	33.87

How does he keep getting jobs?

Because he'll do enough to keep them up. Won't take them any further but he's the man you call when you're absolutely desperate.

[Hij]

From the BBC - Allardyce's managerial record:

Team	Games	Win	Draw	Loss	For	Against	Win %
Bolton	226	80	66	80	275	301	35.4
Newcastle	21	7	5	9	27	33	33.33
Blackburn	76	26	21	29	86	108	34.21
West Ham	114	35	28	51	129	151	30.7
Total	437	148	120	169	517	593	33.87

How does he keep getting jobs?

What's his record of keeping teams up vs relegated?

[Redman0151]

From the BBC - Allardyce's managerial record:

Team	Games	Win	Draw	Loss	For	Against	Win %
Bolton	226	80	66	80	275	301	35.4
Newcastle	21	7	5	9	27	33	33.33
Blackburn	76	26	21	29	86	108	34.21
West Ham	114	35	28	51	129	151	30.7
Total	437	148	120	169	517	593	33.87

How does he keep getting jobs?

Because he massively improved Bolton, Blackburn and west ham when he took over, and at least 2 of them probably rue the day he left

Big Sam is a very good manager for a team aiming to be a midtable prem club

[Alonso_The_Assassin]

Because he massively improved Bolton, Blackburn and west ham when he took over, and at least 2 of them probably rue the day he left

Big Sam is a very good manager for a team aiming to be a midtable prem club

Better win percentage than Hodgson.

[child-in-time]

Not just to keep you up, but to win a promotion as well (if needed). His teams might be boring, but I'd have him every day over Sherwood. The only one I can think of, who is just as good as Fat Sam in what he does best Is Tony Pulis.

[Chris~]

I think he's better than Pulis. Pulis has a clear ceiling of the top half of the table, Sam has at least challenged for European places.

[Dree]

He's a pretty good manager (and his is pretty good news for Twitter). He did a great job at Bolton where he spent most of his playing career so i respect him for that. Twat when it comes to interviews though.

[stoa]

Looking forward to him out-tacticing Chelsea again. Maybe Mourinho will be cracking up for good this time...

[S]

Don't get why Allardyce is often ridiculed. Nobody is suggesting he's Guardiola but for the teams who appoint him survival is everything, and he's proven to be pretty strong at that.

[b_joseph]

I think he's better than Pulis. Pulis has a clear ceiling of the top half of the table, Sam has at least challenged for European places.

Some of his last Bolton teams were very good...probably the worse decision he made, footballing wise, was to leave that situation. Or maybe it was as far as it could have gone.

Good Coach...would be very surprised if sunderland aren't mid table come the end of the season.

[MagicHat]

Good choice for Sunderland, not so sure it is a good choice for Big Sam given the lack of quality in the Sunderland squad and how many managers have been brought down by the toxic dressing room.

From the BBC - Allardyce's managerial record:

How does he keep getting jobs?

Well he made Bolton an established, good to watch Prem side, didn't do well at Newcastle, kept Blackburn as a decent Prem side after the club had a difficult time, got West Ham promoted and established in the Prem. So Why would struggling clubs want him? He is a manager who has limits and too high an opinion of himself but he is a good mid-table manager.

[Number23]

Good choice for Sunderland, not so sure it is a good choice for Big Sam given the lack of quality in the Sunderland squad and how many managers have been brought down by the toxic dressing room.

Well he made Bolton an established, good to watch Prem side, didn't do well at Newcastle, kept Blackburn as a decent Prem side after the club had a difficult time, got West Ham promoted and established in the Prem. So Why would struggling clubs want him? He is a manager who has limits and too high an opinion of himself but he is a good mid-table manager.

It'd an interesting view. Is it only the top 6 or so teams that target having a win percentage near the 50% mark?

[Redman0151]

It'd an interesting view. Is it only the top 6 or so teams that target having a win percentage near the 50% mark?

Without a doubt. 50% win = 57 points. So if you draw another half of the games left, you're on ~67 points which is probably 5th or 6th place

[BeautifulGame91]

It is probably his biggest challenge yet .Not only Sunderland squad pretty poor but he is going in mid season and will have to make do with players not exactly suited to his style .Will be interesting how he integrates the likes of Defoe and Borini into his rigid system .

Wonder if he will try to get Carroll on loan from West Ham in January .And if that happens wonder how Newcastle will react to that.

Happy for Coates though .Will suit Big Sam style of defending perfectly and hopefully shines through

[surfer. Fuck you generator.]

Very good coach for them.

[killer-heels]

It is probably his biggest challenge yet .Not only Sunderland squad pretty poor but he is going in mid season and will have to make do with players not exactly suited to his style .Will be interesting how he integrates the likes of Defoe and Borini into his rigid system .

Wonder if he will try to get Carroll on loan from West Ham in January .And if that happens wonder how Newcastle will react to that.

Happy for Coates though .Will suit Big Sam style of defending perfectly and hopefully shines through

Ill be amazed if Coates does end up playing much. He is awful.

[BeautifulGame91]

Ill be amazed if Coates does end up playing much. He is awful.

He did look good at the end of last season when Advocate adopted park the bus strategy  .One of the key factor in their relegation saving run in the final few games

[stevensr123]

He did look good at the end of last season when Advocate adopted park the bus strategy  .One of the key factor in their relegation saving run in the final few games

by end of last season do you mean like 2 or 3 games then people on here claimed we never should have gotten rid?

The guy is horrible. Was terrible last season as well which he why he couldn't get a game. The sunderland fans think he is shite as well.

Sadly he just didn't continue his development and has stagnated massively.

[BeautifulGame91]

by end of last season do you mean like 2 or 3 games then people on here claimed we never should have gotten rid?

The guy is horrible. Was terrible last season as well which he why he couldn't get a game. The sunderland fans think he is shite as well.

Yeah the last 4-5 games including Arsenal away .


The other Sunderland CB options are Kaboul O'Shea and Wes Brown .Frankly he is a much better option than all of them .

[Flaccido Dongingo]

Remember how hard he made Bolton to beat?, and with very little money, he's a Ferguson lackey shitehouse, but he's very effective at making teams difficult to beat, he failed at Newcastle and Blackburn as he was expected to provide more than just survival.

Sunderland will be a much tougher proposition with him at the helm.

[rafathegaffa83]

Some of his last Bolton teams were very good...probably the worse decision he made, footballing wise, was to leave that situation. Or maybe it was as far as it could have gone.

Given their massively indebted finances he probably took Bolton as far as he could. His biggest long-term issue is going to be getting rid of some of the toxic characters at Sunderland.. Doing that might eliminate some of the drinking culture there

[Redman0151]

The most shocking thing for me about Sunderland, is that they have the 8th highest wage bill in the league, when you consider the "wage bill = league position" stuff that's incredibly shocking. And when you realise how shite their entire squad is!

Listening to the Guardian football weekly show this week, they were suggesting there's a real "drinking and smoking" problem in the dressing room, and that lots of the senior players at the club have awful attitudes and pretty much run the place and spread that to everybody else.

Sam has a huge job there, Di Canio tried to change their ways and couldn't do it, Poyet tried and couldn't do it, Dick the "Grandfather figure" couldn't do it. Not sure what Sam could do, they can't exactly sell most of them off either

[MagicHat]

It'd an interesting view. Is it only the top 6 or so teams that target having a win percentage near the 50% mark?

I'm not sure how many chairman look at win percentages in all honesty. More what has prospective manager done in terms of league finishes/trophies, does style suit, does he suit club and players we have, can I afford him. I think Crosby is right in that the 50% is for 5/6th place

The only straw I can give Big Sam being able to change the culture is by reputation in England might force players ideas to buck up. It is clutching at straws though

[MNAA]

Sam Alladrayce is a twat of person. And not much of a manager either. No hate for Sunderland but with Sam there, I would not be wishing them well. Not to mention that they are already in a shitty position

[bird_lfc]

Yeah the last 4-5 games including Arsenal away .


The other Sunderland CB options are Kaboul O'Shea and Wes Brown .Frankly he is a much better option than all of them .

Speaks volumes that he's struggling to cement himself in a side if they are his competition.

Just like Suso, Pacheco, Nemeth and the rest - we got rid because he wasn't good enough.

[jackh]

Sam Alladrayce is a twat of person. And not much of a manager either. No hate for Sunderland but with Sam there, I would not be wishing them well. Not to mention that they are already in a shitty position

Saw the story about his opinions on Wenger on the Guardian site, then saw it referencing his autobiograpy which is being serialised in the s*n.

Couldn't agree more.

[mkferdy]

From the outside looking in I do wonder whether Sunderland would actually benefit long term by getting relegated and clearing our the dead wood as it were. It seems every season they desperately cling onto survival while making constant short term decisions bringing in older players on long contracts. If its true their wage billis the 8th highest in the premier league more than just the manager needed sacking at that club.

Sam Allardyce is an excellent manager for me who has a specific skill set of keeping teams int he premier league and establishing them so I can see why Sunderland wanted him on board but I do wonder if he has bitten off more than he can chew with this squad.

Looking in a little more detail Pantilimon seems a decent keeper so that's a positive for them. If you look defensively even with Allardyce parking the bus they have Kaboul who's a liability and always injured, Coates who for me has looked terrible bar one game against Arsenal last season. Oshea who is 34 now and Wes Brown who's 36 and constantly injured. There left back is also a liability defensively. Even if he organises them and makes them difficult to beat will Defoe  (33yrs old), Fletcher and Graham score enough goals.

If he manages to keep these lot up for me it will be one of his biggest achievements in football cause the squad is terrible plus there's something rotten at Sunderland. At some point it stops being the managers fault and the players need to take responsibility. They have had Bruce, O'Neil, Di Canio, Poyet, Advocatt and now Allardyce since 2011. Crazy amount of managers in such a short space of time.

[Theoldkopite]

Saw the story about his opinions on Wenger on the Guardian site, then saw it referencing his autobiograpy which is being serialised in the s*n.

Couldn't agree more.

Sam Allardyce in 'bitter and twisted' shock. Could have managed Real Madrid, but who did they appoint instead

[Cracking Left Foot]

Slags off Rafa as well because "he thought he was superior to me".

Well, Sam, there's a reason for that....

(Won't post the link as it mentions the rag, but it's on the Telegraph's website).

[DangerScouse]

Had a nother pop at Rafa I see.  What a fat, bitter, blubbering mess. Don't usually mind Sunderland but please god they get relegated under him.

[Chakan]

what a fat c*nt.

Rafa had nothing to do with winning the CL in 2005, he got lucky, it was all Gerrard.

Rafa is superior to you , you utter spunk dumpster.

[plura]

What a fat twat of a man. A man with no grasp of how to behave respectful and humble to ones peers. I hope he chokes on some dog shite!

[lindylou100]

bleugh the guy is beyond parody with those comments about Rafa. The guy was, is and always will be a giant s*n loving tit.

[rafathegaffa83]

From the outside looking in I do wonder whether Sunderland would actually benefit long term by getting relegated and clearing our the dead wood as it were. It seems every season they desperately cling onto survival while making constant short term decisions bringing in older players on long contracts. If its true their wage billis the 8th highest in the premier league more than just the manager needed sacking at that club.

If ever a club needed a purge to be relegated, it's them. The likes of Villa and Newcastle are examples of teams that end up being poor due to injuries and inadequate investment over a prolonged period. Sunderland are a prime example, why a long-term plan is needed for any club. With their budget, they should be hanging around EL qualification positions like Swansea or Southampton, not hovering around relegation and buying up tons of past it crap with a managerial merry-go-round

[Fitzy.]

The couple of things I've seen about Aladyce's book have a strong whiff of Partridge..."needless to say, I had the last laugh".

All a bit pathetic. 

[richiedouglas]

Kevin Nolan and Jussi Jaskelinen seen buying houses in Sunderland

[WEST HAM PAUL]

Glad Sunderland fans have to listen to his over blown love of himself

I'll always say he did a good job in the main at West Ham but his time was up & he knew it as well.

He's a decent manager but if he was so great why aren't clubs like Liverpool looking at him when they need a manager .

He's stories always seem small time like look at me I beat Arsenal & got up Wengers nose , where as Wengers thinking who gives a shit look at what I've won & sustained