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Love learning from these type of threads. Stupid question, but is Suarez as good as Keegan was. Cheers.
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No he doesn't, and I think the reason for that is when he left Kenny made sure we didn't miss him.

But that is not a valid reason to me. It was well known that he would leave, yet Keegan played till the very last minute and won us a European Cup that meant as much to
him as to us. What a contrast compared to the modern game.

Another one that deserves more recognition, maybe even more than Keegan, is Steve Nicol.



what people often forget though is that we signed another absolute colossus of a player a couple of months after kenny in souness, in effect we replaced keegan with two of the best players that ever played for the club and before that season was over alan hansen got into the side as well.
people often say kenny replaced keegan and was better but the whole side got better which must have helped kenny.
after keegan left us the way he did people werent interested in over analysing the situation though, everyone was just made up we had someone...anyone, who could fill keegans boots.
steve nicol was a great player and i mean great but the likes of keegan was a class above him, keegan was getting rave reviews from the moment he broke into the team and by the mid 70`s keegan was regarded as the best player in the country, keegan was a bit like suarez in the sense that everything seems to happen around him, the game revolved around keegan.

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... by the mid 70`s keegan was regarded as the best player in the country, keegan was a bit like suarez in the sense that everything seems to happen around him, the game revolved around keegan.

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what people often forget though is that we signed another absolute colossus of a player a couple of months after kenny in souness, in effect we replaced keegan with two of the best players that ever played for the club and before that season was over alan hansen got into the side as well.
people often say kenny replaced keegan and was better but the whole side got better which must have helped kenny.
after keegan left us the way he did people werent interested in over analysing the situation though, everyone was just made up we had someone...anyone, who could fill keegans boots.
steve nicol was a great player and i mean great but the likes of keegan was a class above him, keegan was getting rave reviews from the moment he broke into the team and by the mid 70`s keegan was regarded as the best player in the country, keegan was a bit like suarez in the sense that everything seems to happen around him, the game revolved around keegan.


Have to agree with that. Souness and Hansen certainly helped Kenny.

Only about Nicol I disagree. I' ve had this discussion with many before. Just look at what Nicol has contributed to the sides he played in. Barness and Nicol on the wing is one of the best sights Liverpool fans ever saw. I'd rank Nicol just below Alan Hansen, but nothing lower than that. He is, to me, the best fullback we ever had.

But maybe we should keep this for another thread, before we forget Keegan again :) .
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A Bloody good thread this...about time too....too many players have pulled on a red shirt and received unearned praise from Liverpool fans, Keegan, probably not enough...his status in Liverpools history is up there with the very best...the final proof is, he was good enough for Shanks and Paisley...and that is recognition enough.

I recall Keegan saying it frustrated the fuck out of him playing with  Joey Jones 'cos of his woeful passing...........but he'd have him in every team 'cos of the passion and spirit he brought ...Keegan understood football..and why not?.. he had the best teachers ever.

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Does he get enough recognition? From supporters of the era YES From the usual "He's a traitor" types NO. But who cares!! He was the feather cut maestro from Scunny that cost us flip all and gave me 4 years of joy along with Clemence, Smith, Lindsay, Lloyd, Hughes, Thompson (Phil) , Cormack, Callaghan, Case, Kennedy, Hall, Toshack, Heighway, Fairclough, Joey Jones (and any I've missed!!)

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this club wouldnt be the club it is today without kevin keegan, ........ and bill shankly himself said keegan was the best player he ever signed, i think that says it all

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12 years old - first trip to Wembley and Kev scores 2 and I go home very very happy - first time I stayed in a hotel, first time I waded through a foot of urine and first time I saw Alec Lindsay score the greatest goal ever scored at Wemberlee chalked off for offside!!

Does he get enough recognition? From supporters of the era YES From the usual "He's a traitor" types NO. But who cares!! He was the feather cut maestro from Scunny that cost us flip all and gave me 4 years of joy along with Clemence, Smith, Lindsay, Lloyd, Hughes, Thompson (Phil) , Cormack, Callaghan, Case, Kennedy, Hall, Toshack, Heighway, Fairclough, Joey Jones (and any I've missed!!)

btw put in 1971-1977 Liverpool F C and half the sites refer to "Kevin Keegan"!!!!!!

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Love learning from these type of threads. Stupid question, but is Suarez as good as Keegan was. Cheers.

they are quite similar mate but keegan was a bit quicker and fantastic in the air, very similar to cahill in that repect, something else keegan had which was often just as inspiring to the crowd was a reckless bravery.
he played with his heart on his sleeve and he`d often go for diving headers where the boots were flying and that sort of thing.
although he wasnt that tall he was one of the first footballers to really hit the weights so he was very strong for his size

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On a side note, how long did it take for people to realise how special Kenny was? Was it a seamless transition like Suarez making us forget Torres or a slow burner like Beardsley?

Nah Dalglish was fairly immediate.  Scored on his league debut away to 'boro, then followed up with a goal on his home debut v newcastle.  Think he also scored in the game shortly after this where Keegan's Hamburg where hammered 6-0, after which the kop taunted Keegan.  Dalglish arrived in a whirlwind as opposed to a 'seamless transition'.  Announced himself immediately.

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My first football hero, adored Kevin. He was such an honest player, in this day of million pound contracts you always knew what you'd get from Kevin. His committment was unquestionable even if he was having one of his less effective games, the effort would be total, he would never give in.  His skill level is under-rated in my opinion, he was not particularly the most natural gifted player, but the skill he had he would work at, and hone especially when he was put together with John Toshack. Surely one of the best partnerships of all time, almost telepathic.

I was never bitter when he left just gutted, but when you know a player has given everything for the cause, and they want a challenge somewhere else, sometimes you just have to let go. At the time I wished him good luck but worried about who would replace him.  Luckily Bob had all that in hand, brought us King Kenny and some other quality players. Great days they were.   
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In reply to the original question in a word No. Like many others of a certain vintage Keegan was my first Liverpool idol, i adored the man, everything positive and good about Liverpool at that time seemed to revolve around KK, he was a fantastic footballer, not born with the natural ability of say a Cryuff or Best but the lad worked on his technique to become probably the best footballer in this country by the mid 70's.

Why has his legacy often been overlooked? Well i think it's  down to the man who replaced him, Keegan was a superb footballer but Kenny was something else and though i cried over Kev leaving it was quickly forgotten when i quickly realised just how great Kenny was, in many ways Keegan might be the unluckiest number 7 we ever had, having Kenny follow you severely hampered his legacy, Paul Walsh (not quite Keegan's level but still a very gifted player) suffered a similar fate in having to replace Kenny.

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Have to agree with that. Souness and Hansen certainly helped Kenny.

Only about Nicol I disagree. I' ve had this discussion with many before. Just look at what Nicol has contributed to the sides he played in. Barness and Nicol on the wing is one of the best sights Liverpool fans ever saw. I'd rank Nicol just below Alan Hansen, but nothing lower than that. He is, to me, the best fullback we ever had.

But maybe we should keep this for another thread, before we forget Keegan again :) .

Yeah we mustn't take this off thread but i agree totally about Nicol, defo in my top 20 LFC players of all time, in my dream LFC team i'd have him at RB and Lindsay at LB but of course in doing so i'd be breaking up the formidable Nicol/Barnes partnership.

Anyway back to Keegan, a true Liverpool legend.

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Countless posts commenting on Kenny, read the fucking thread title

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Was absolutely gutted and heartbroken when he left. Then delighted when I saw the King.



Ditto this!


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Re: Does Kevin Keegan get enough recognition for what he achieved at Liverpool?
« Reply #100 on: November 5, 2011, 01:18:08 am »
Keegan was fantastic. Along with Emlyn he was the inspiration for Shanks new team winning titles in 73 and our first European Trophy.

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Re: Does Kevin Keegan get enough recognition for what he achieved at Liverpool?
« Reply #101 on: November 5, 2011, 01:20:18 am »
Fantastic player, who isn't given the recognition he deserves, he was the catalyst, the last piece in the jigsaw for our seventies success.
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Re: Does Kevin Keegan get enough recognition for what he achieved at Liverpool?
« Reply #102 on: November 5, 2011, 01:49:06 am »
NO!

 as great as Kevin was and he was great he will always be remembered as the guy we sold and got Kenny instead!
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Re: Does Kevin Keegan get enough recognition for what he achieved at Liverpool?
« Reply #103 on: November 5, 2011, 02:07:08 am »
Fantastic player, that somehow seems to get overlooked amonst our other legends - maybe I'm wrong but that's the sense i get from mates who are fans altho not the 'old' brigade. Is it because he wanted pastures new and to ply his talents in europe? I think that's probably the main issue (if there is an issue) some have, maybe smarting a bit in thinking keegan thought Liverpool wasn't big enough for him.

For me, total legend who I hold in as high a regard as our other legends. Rushie is my all time fav but before him it was keegan and he'll always be a red legend of the highest order in my eyes.

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Re: Does Kevin Keegan get enough recognition for what he achieved at Liverpool?
« Reply #104 on: November 5, 2011, 02:15:52 am »
Very lucky man. If he hadn't been replaced by such an amazing player he would have copped a fuck of a lot of flak for fucking us off for Hamburg.
Lots of revisionist shite on this thread, but the winner is vishy for that utterly embarrassing comparison to Fowler.

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Re: Does Kevin Keegan get enough recognition for what he achieved at Liverpool?
« Reply #105 on: November 5, 2011, 02:15:55 am »
Keegan Kenny

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Re: Does Kevin Keegan get enough recognition for what he achieved at Liverpool?
« Reply #106 on: November 5, 2011, 02:18:51 am »
Having said that, yeah probably was underrated for the very reasons I mentioned. Putting everything else aside, yep top 10 material.

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Re: Does Kevin Keegan get enough recognition for what he achieved at Liverpool?
« Reply #107 on: November 5, 2011, 02:59:02 am »
Very lucky man. If he hadn't been replaced by such an amazing player he would have copped a fuck of a lot of flak for fucking us off for Hamburg.
Lots of revisionist shite on this thread, but the winner is vishy for that utterly embarrassing comparison to Fowler.

But in the same sense he was also unlucky in that had we not gone onto be the crushing machine we bacame under Bob with the player replacing him being the greatest imho to ever pull on the red shirt then we may have spent the next decade or two pining for Keegan and looking back as him being the greatest number 7 we ever had, all if's and buts of course but unlike John C above i don't believe you can discuss Keegan's legacy and why his achievements are often over looked without discussing the impact the wee Scot who came in to replace him had on that very legacy.

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Re: Does Kevin Keegan get enough recognition for what he achieved at Liverpool?
« Reply #108 on: November 5, 2011, 02:59:57 am »
kevin was the club's first superstar  he was a great player and a true liverpool legend  but does get over looked when he shouldnt .

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Re: Does Kevin Keegan get enough recognition for what he achieved at Liverpool?
« Reply #109 on: November 5, 2011, 04:07:40 am »
kevin was the club's first superstar  he was a great player and a true liverpool legend  but does get over looked when he shouldnt .

I think someone else may of been Liddelpool's first superstar.
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Re: Does Kevin Keegan get enough recognition for what he achieved at Liverpool?
« Reply #110 on: November 5, 2011, 04:40:09 am »
I wonder if he ever looks back with regret at his decision to leave. It must of been hard busting his gut for Southampton and watching Liverpool go from strength to strength.

As you say though a real class act who worked his way to the top the hard way.

He turned us down for Southampton. And they were runners up in his first season there. And he was top goal scorer.

Would have been interesting seeing Dalglish and Keegan up front though.
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Re: Does Kevin Keegan get enough recognition for what he achieved at Liverpool?
« Reply #111 on: November 5, 2011, 04:42:24 am »
But in the same sense he was also unlucky in that had we not gone onto be the crushing machine we bacame under Bob with the player replacing him being the greatest imho to ever pull on the red shirt then we may have spent the next decade or two pining for Keegan and looking back as him being the greatest number 7 we ever had, all if's and buts of course but unlike John C above i don't believe you can discuss Keegan's legacy and why his achievements are often over looked without discussing the impact the wee Scot who came in to replace him had on that very legacy.
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Re: Does Kevin Keegan get enough recognition for what he achieved at Liverpool?
« Reply #112 on: November 5, 2011, 06:53:37 am »
Keegan Kenny

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Actually a bot of truth in that. Had we not replaced him so well his loss would of been felt much more deeply. He really was a terrific player. Luis reminds me of him with his industry. KK was always so vigorous just like Luis. He made so many runs and worked so hard that opposition sides just got broken down from his relentlessness. He might be a bit of a knob but he was a terrific player.
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Re: Does Kevin Keegan get enough recognition for what he achieved at Liverpool?
« Reply #113 on: November 5, 2011, 08:05:29 am »
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Kevin Keegan has spoken of how Liverpool Football Club made him as a footballer and a person - and revealed how the possibility of a sensational Anfield return was once discussed.

Forty years after signing for the club, the player who helped make our No.7 jersey famous has given his most forthright and personal interview ever - and if you're an LFC TV Online subscriber then you can watch the entire 60 minutes before anyone else right now.

The transfer never happened and instead in 1980 he signed for a Southampton side managed by Lawrie McMenemy.

Keegan explained what happened: "It was an option. I was with Lawrie McMenemy at a charity event the other day and he said he phoned up Peter Robinson, because he wanted me but Liverpool had a clause, but Peter said, 'No, we won't be signing him, definitely, we don't need him.'

"Liverpool had moved on, got different players and partnerships, were just as successful and arguably about to be even more successful.

"In football terms, it's never easy to go back. You've had it happen over the years a couple of times and it's half worked but it's never really the same. My book had been written at Liverpool and it was a nice little book. I had a lot of good fun and a few little downs, which makes a good story.

"Every time I come back, even driving here today, I go past my old digs. You can't take the memories away but it was finished."

Despite firing a century of goals in 323 appearances for Liverpool, Keegan is perhaps associated more with Newcastle these days following his return to St James' Park as manager.

But despite his father being from the north-east, the 60-year-old regards Liverpool as the club to which he owes everything.

"Newcastle and Liverpool are the two," he said. "I played for and managed Newcastle, my father and all his relatives were from up there, so there was a big pull for me in the north-east. But Liverpool made me, not just as a footballer but as a person. The people I met: Shanks, Tommy Smith, Ian Callaghan, Ron Yeats. All these people you take something from.

"You think, what makes Emlyn Hughes so special on the football field? Fitness. I want to be fit. What makes Tommy Smith so special? He absolutely loves the club. I'll take a bit of that. Taking bits of those people made me. It was a very influential time for me.

"The fans made me. When they started singing my name! What am I, five foot seven with Cuban heeled boots? But (because of them) I was six foot six.

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/keegan-i-could-have-come-back

I'm 25 so obviously I never had the opportunity to watch Keegan. Some of my relatives speak fondly of him, however Dalglish receives their most praise.

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Re: Does Kevin Keegan get enough recognition for what he achieved at Liverpool?
« Reply #114 on: November 5, 2011, 08:26:07 am »
Love learning from these type of threads. Stupid question, but is Suarez as good as Keegan was. Cheers.
No, not yet.

In technical terms yes he's better but in terms of his contribution to the team and his impact on it , no not yet, not by a long way. But one day he might be even better.
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Re: Does Kevin Keegan get enough recognition for what he achieved at Liverpool?
« Reply #115 on: November 5, 2011, 08:30:22 am »
shanks? just dont think you can judge players from different eras like that,  totally different game, an the players are so much fitter now allegedly.
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Re: Does Kevin Keegan get enough recognition for what he achieved at Liverpool?
« Reply #116 on: November 5, 2011, 08:37:58 am »
Love learning from these type of threads. Stupid question, but is Suarez as good as Keegan was. Cheers.

Suarez hasn't been here long enough to be comparing him to old liverpool players.

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Re: Does Kevin Keegan get enough recognition for what he achieved at Liverpool?
« Reply #117 on: November 5, 2011, 10:00:32 am »
Dont compare the replacement of Torres/Suarez with Keegan and Keeny ....as much as I love Luis and did love Torres, For LFC the Double K's are way way ahead in status as players and leaders....though happy for Luis to join them in 10 years time.

Keegan was the talisman in a 6 years period that not only brought us an FA cup ( massive then) 2 UEFA cups ( ditto!) , 3 leagues and a European cup....and propbably more important from being an upcoming big English team to take Liverpool to the pinnacle of club football in the world...so thats what your up against

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Re: Does Kevin Keegan get enough recognition for what he achieved at Liverpool?
« Reply #118 on: November 5, 2011, 10:05:25 am »
Very lucky man. If he hadn't been replaced by such an amazing player he would have copped a fuck of a lot of flak for fucking us off for Hamburg.
Lots of revisionist shite on this thread, but the winner is vishy for that utterly embarrassing comparison to Fowler.
I'm genuinely shocked by that. Why was he lucky?
if I'm not mistaken the conversation was something like help us win the European Cup then you can leave, So he did and he did.

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Re: Does Kevin Keegan get enough recognition for what he achieved at Liverpool?
« Reply #119 on: November 5, 2011, 10:13:41 am »
Love learning from these type of threads. Stupid question, but is Suarez as good as Keegan was. Cheers.

In terms of playing style Suarez is similar .....but Keegan's all-action, goal scoring heroics put him in a different class. Years ahead of his time in several ways - his tirelesss work ethic allied to his skill was the epitomy of what made LFC such a force in Europe.
They have life in them, they have humour, they're arrogant, they're cocky and they're proud. And that's what I want my team to be.