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Both Tory and Labour will struggle when Britain exits Europe. Neither will be able to protect jobs. I'd always rather have a Labour government in power because at least they'll try to defend the social services and protect the poorest. Corbyn appears to believe that things will be quite easy once Labour is in government. But it will be a hard slog. Corbyn's economic ideas will take a right battering of course and he'll probably go down in history as the second worst Labour premier in history - which is a bit unfair on MacDonald actually. What little is left of the socialist tradition in this country will fall into disrepute because of this.

For that reason alone it might be better to have a Tory government. And, after all, they are the ones that led us into the Brexit mess. Not that Corbyn ever tried to stop them.

So just to clarify - no one wants a Tory government but if a one-term Corbyn-led Labour government lands us with Tories for a generation, and only in that situation, it might better to let the Tories deal with the immediate aftermath of Britain leaving the EU.

It’s difficult to keep track of what thread we’re in but based on Corbyn's shambolic handling of the anti-semitism issue, his lock-step with the Tory right over Brexit and the complete absence of any detailed economic or industrial policy I share Yorky’s concerns.

Because, and let’s be absolutely clear about this, the purpose of a Labour government has to be the needs and concerns of those who need us most over the long term. That means a sustained period of Labour government not a one-off ‘let’s-support-Brexit-and-hope-the-Tories-crash-and-burn-so-we-can-play-trains’ Labour government.

Anyway - back to the issue at hand.

So… Howard Philips · « **Reply #889 on:** March 30, 2018, 09:33:32 am »

Quote from: Jiminy Cricket on March 29, 2018, 10:57:20 pm

There have been many previous successful attempts.

True. Hopefully in this case no one dies.

classycarra · « **Reply #890 on:** March 30, 2018, 01:17:28 pm »

Quote from: Jacob Rees-Mogg on March 30, 2018, 12:41:39 am

Really hope the daughter wakes up and shines some light on this

What more light do you need shining on it? Are you, like Trada, a bit confused by chemistry and a bit conspiratorial? If so, her being the victim of a nerve agent attack isn't going to mean she's able to clear up the chemistry for you.

Fantastic news that she is showing signs of recovery. Fingers crossed she beats this.

Red Beret · « **Reply #891 on:** March 30, 2018, 01:22:22 pm »

Quote from: Classycara on March 30, 2018, 01:17:28 pm

What more light do you need shining on it? Are you, like Trada, a bit confused by chemistry and a bit conspiratorial? If so, her being the victim of a nerve agent attack isn't going to mean she's able to clear up the chemistry for you.

Fantastic news that she is showing signs of recovery. Fingers crossed she beats this.

I think it would be more a case of asking her if she remembers anything unusual prior to falling ill? Like somebody loitering near the house or a knock on the door. Whilst it's unlikely we'll know the assailant the timings could help the security services piece together exactly what and how it happened.

classycarra · « **Reply #892 on:** March 30, 2018, 01:27:46 pm »

Quote from: Red Berry on March 30, 2018, 01:22:22 pm

I think it would be more a case of asking her if she remembers anything unusual prior to falling ill? Like somebody loitering near the house or a knock on the door. Whilst it's unlikely we'll know the assailant the timings could help the security services piece together exactly what and how it happened.

As you say, there will be some important small details to glean from an interview - I think, given Jacob's previous odd world views, there's a chance he's implying there's some 'false' about what's been reported or there's some "russophobic" (still laughing at the post!) conspiracy.

Will be delighted if I'm wrong, and hold my hands up if I've misinterpreted

WhereAngelsPlay · « **Reply #893 on:** March 30, 2018, 05:57:35 pm »

Corbyn nuts are now using this picture to push their Pro-Putin conspiracy shite.

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Either this policeman has a death wish, Or the Tory's are talking bollocks. I'll let you decide. The front door where days later a policeman with zero protection was allowed to stand with his back to the same door covered in the most potent and deadly nerve agent ever created.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZe91ndX4AA0Pqn.jpg

Fucking clueless they lot of them.

Red Beret · « **Reply #894 on:** March 30, 2018, 06:07:35 pm »

Quote from: Classycara on March 30, 2018, 01:27:46 pm

As you say, there will be some important small details to glean from an interview - I think, given Jacob's previous odd world views, there's a chance he's implying there's some 'false' about what's been reported or there's some "russophobic" (still laughing at the post!) conspiracy.

Will be delighted if I'm wrong, and hold my hands up if I've misinterpreted

That's quite all right. to be honest I've tried to ignore all the conspiracy shit because it just distracts from the information I'm trying to glean from this thread.

That's why I post more in the Trump thread than the Labour thread - at least we can all agree we hate Trump!

oldfordie · « **Reply #895 on:** March 30, 2018, 06:41:49 pm »

Quote from: WhereAngelsPlay on March 30, 2018, 05:57:35 pm

Corbyn nuts are now using this picture to push their Pro-Putin conspiracy shite.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZe91ndX4AA0Pqn.jpg

Fucking clueless they lot of them.

Very nice of him to let us decide for ourselves, ive got this outrageous theory that maybe all the experts have told him it's now safe to stand their. only a hunch though, could well be massive contamination and the experts forgot to tell anyone.

drmick · « **Reply #896 on:** March 30, 2018, 10:40:25 pm »

Experts have been to forget:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-13101720

CornerFlag · « **Reply #897 on:** March 31, 2018, 05:44:08 pm »

I can't imagine much good is going to come of this whatsoever.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/31/foreign-office-considers-russian-consular-access-to-yulia-skripal

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Foreign Office considers Russian consular access to Yulia Skripal

Announcement regarding daughter of poisoned spy comes amid row over search of Russian aircraft by British authorities

The Foreign Office has said it is considering Russia’s request for consular access to Yulia Skripal as a fresh row develops over why British authorities searched a Russian aircraft travelling from Moscow to London on Friday.

Russia’s transport ministry said it would demand an official explanation from the UK government for why a Russian Aeroflot passenger plane was searched by authorities at Heathrow on Friday, and threatened “similar actions” against British Airways planes in Russia.

The news comes as the FCO considers Russia’s request for consular access to Yulia Skripal, the daughter of Russian double agent Sergei Skripal, who is no longer in a critical condition after she was poisoned with a nerve agent along with her father in Salisbury earlier this month.

In a statement late on Friday, the Russian embassy in London described the search of Aeroflot flights 2582 and 2583 as “another blatant provocation” by UK authorities. It added that it had sent a diplomatic note asking for an explanation of the incident.

The embassy said British officials wanted to search the plane without the Russian crew present, but were prevented from doing so after an embassy official arrived at the airport. The statement said that “long negotiations were conducted” to ensure the right of the captain to take part in the search.

“At this moment, we have no other explanation but that the incident at Heathrow is in one way or another connected with the hostile policy that the UK government is conducting with regard to Russia,” the statement continued. Both Aeroflot and BA fly the London-Moscow route several times a day.

The Metropolitan police, which is co-ordinating the investigation into the poisoning of Yulia and Sergei Skripal, denied it was part of the aircraft search.

The UK security minister, Ben Wallace, said: “It is routine for Border Force to search aircraft to protect the UK from organised crime and from those who attempt to bring harmful substances like drugs or firearms into the country.

“Once these checks were carried out, the plane was allowed to carry on with its onward journey.”

The row comes as the FCO said the “rights and wishes of Yulia” would be taken into account when considering Russia’s request for access to the daughter of the poisoned spy.

She spent three weeks in a critical condition in hospital after both father and daughter were exposed to the nerve agent novichok earlier this month. But on Thursday, doctors announced that the 33-year-old’s condition was improving rapidly, prompting Russia’s request for access. Her father, Sergei Skripal, 66, remains in a critical condition.

An FCO spokeswoman told the Guardian: “We are considering requests for consular access in line with our obligations under international and domestic law, including the rights and wishes of Yulia Skripal.”

On Friday, Russia announced further sanctions against Britain, once again escalating the fallout of the Skripal attack.

The foreign ministry spokeswoman, Maria Zakharova, said new measures, which require the staffing levels of the three British diplomatic missions in Russia to be reduced to the same level as Russian missions in Britain, would effectively mean that just over 50 UK embassy staff would have to leave. It was not immediately clear if this meant 50 diplomats or 50 embassy employees, including local staff.

Zakharova said Moscow had responded in kind to Britain’s initial expulsions, with both sides ordering 23 diplomats out. She said the latest round of Russian expulsions was punishment for the fact that “London carried out a campaign to have Russian diplomats expelled from EU countries and a number of other countries”.

Now I've not heard about 'consular access' much but I thought it was generally in relation to when a country has sent someone to another country and they're arrested or detained. And she's neither as far as I know.

Red-Soldier · « **Reply #898 on:** March 31, 2018, 06:00:31 pm »

So, the people who are suspected of attempting to murder her, want to see her asap.

Can't think of anything wrong with that.

bigbonedrawky · « **Reply #899 on:** March 31, 2018, 07:38:50 pm »

Quote from: Red-Soldier on March 31, 2018, 06:00:31 pm

So, the people who are suspected of attempting to murder her, want to see her asap.

Can't think of anything wrong with that.

Whats with all this talk of "suspected" eh? come on, out with it, what you getting at eh ?
Mother Theresa told us it's the Russians and Boris "the blade" Johnson told us it was Vlad da Bad
and he should know because he knocks around with a Russian Spy..So there.

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SlowRap · « **Reply #900 on:** April 2, 2018, 01:08:49 am »

Quote from: bigbonedrawky on March 31, 2018, 07:38:50 pm

Whats with all this talk of "suspected" eh? come on, out with it, what you getting at eh ?
Mother Theresa told us it's the Russians and Boris "the blade" Johnson told us it was Vlad da Bad
and he should know because he knocks around with a Russian Spy..So there.

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