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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12400 on: April 22, 2019, 10:41:35 pm »
Thinking about coming back from South America for the parade if we win, not missing that....any idea as to when it would be? First weekend post-last match?  :-\

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12401 on: April 22, 2019, 10:49:20 pm »
I think a lot of the results this weekend City/Spurs aside have fell good for us. United needing to win against City to keep the chase for 4th alive, Burnley needing a point against City to guarantee safety, Chelsea and Arsenal with bad results meaning United still in with that chance also. This isn't over yet  :wave

If City beat Utd (away), Burnley(away), Leicester (home) and Brighton(away) - all on paper should be tough matches in different ways the fair play to them. Credit where credit is due.

Make no mistake about it though Liverpool are on the footballing map again even if we don't win the league but who knows we could be in back to back CL finals.

I hope a team will at least give City a game this business end of the season and show the world that they're too on the footballing map.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12402 on: April 22, 2019, 10:53:48 pm »
We'll be back bigger and better next year, and the year after, and the year after. It's not a matter of if, it's when and how many. The mancs know this now.

After their game against everton, the mood has changed for them. Players, ex-players and managers almost seem up for it, almost. Maybe, definitely maybe.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12403 on: April 22, 2019, 10:54:03 pm »
Just realised that if city win the Cup, then we'll be guaranteed a spot in the community shield. Would be a decent day out that.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12404 on: April 22, 2019, 10:56:18 pm »
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12405 on: April 22, 2019, 11:00:34 pm »
If City are up 1-0 and Utd get a penalty in the last minute, I expect Pogba to do the right thing before heading to Madrid. And he'll probably celebrate like crazy too while the fans are all speechless.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12406 on: April 22, 2019, 11:11:14 pm »
In the 13 league games since they played us, City have only conceded 5 goals. I think a 0-0 or a 1-1 is the best we could hope for against United. Fingers crossed.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12407 on: April 22, 2019, 11:19:32 pm »
In the 13 league games since they played us, City have only conceded 5 goals. I think a 0-0 or a 1-1 is the best we could hope for against United. Fingers crossed.

Or they are due a wobble and they'll be 2 down inside the first 20 minutes.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12408 on: April 22, 2019, 11:20:40 pm »
It’s impossible to say exactly what will happen, but Burnley just gave a good account of themselves at Chelsea. All the horrible time wasting, going to ground, fake injuries, and sticking your foot in and so on... it was all there. It’s a nightmare to play against them when they are like that, and so hopefully they will put in a similar display against Man City.

As for Man Utd, what their fans want and what the players want are not the same thing. Pogba represents a lot of what is wrong in the modern game, but he said some comments today about how they had all let themselves down. If they apply themselves they are capable of getting something from the City game.

Maybe Man City will win all their remaining games, maybe they won’t. On our side we have to keep winning so we are ready to pass them if they stumble. We have been doing a fantastic job on that front, to be fair. Full credit to Jurgen and the boys for a heck of a season so far.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12409 on: April 22, 2019, 11:22:25 pm »
In theory, as it stands, that John Stones clearance at The Etihad could stop us winning the league, getting 100 points and going unbeaten in the process.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12410 on: April 22, 2019, 11:22:57 pm »
If City are up 1-0 and Utd get a penalty in the last minute, I expect Pogba to do the right thing before heading to Madrid. And he'll probably celebrate like crazy too while the fans are all speechless.
Think the key is not to let them score early. Been happening too much lately and has taken pressure off them right from the beginning.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12411 on: April 22, 2019, 11:33:00 pm »
Tempted to take Milner's approach:

"First time in my life," Milner said about his support for United this week.

"But I won't be watching. It's a bit of a waste of energy, willing the ball in the other goal.

"I can't do anything about it. I'll maybe put my phone away for a few hours and check it after. I've no idea what I'll do, maybe go out for some food."

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12412 on: April 22, 2019, 11:33:14 pm »
He's a Liverpool supporter too, his favourite player was Kenny, so he'd love to put one over on City.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12413 on: April 22, 2019, 11:35:07 pm »
Or they are due a wobble and they'll be 2 down inside the first 20 minutes.

That too. I bloody hope so anyway.  :)
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12414 on: April 22, 2019, 11:41:11 pm »
Posted in other threads but, at the risk of repeating myself myself...

The way the fixtures have worked out this weekend you'd think that we were back to the '12 from 15' scenario (now 9 from 12)

However, looking at the fixtures left, I really don't believe United can afford anything less than 4 points from the next two games against City and Chelsea. Leaving those two games aside, the most they could get from the other two games is 70 points - Chelsea would reach that point just by beating United (and if they drew would have games against Watford & Leicester to pick up the remaining 3 points) while Spurs have a home game against Brighton tomorrow where a win would also leave them on 70 points.

Even if United do win their last 3 games (including Chelsea), if they don't pick up any points from City their score of 73 points is quite achievable by Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal (Also interesting that Arsenal's chances are being minimised on a basis of having a run-in of Leicester, Brighton & Burnley...)
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12415 on: April 22, 2019, 11:42:36 pm »
Right guys ..... I've lumped a load of money on City at 4-9

My betting history guarantees that they won't win now as I couldn't pick my nose.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12416 on: April 22, 2019, 11:47:44 pm »
Burnley showed a lot of fight and, more importantly, snide in the Chelsea game tonight to get a point. I know that City are on a completely different level to Chelsea but it did show that they wont be on the beach on Sunday. A small time manager like Dyche would love to say they affected the title  race in some way so hopefully he has his players ready to be horrible and break some legs.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12417 on: April 22, 2019, 11:51:20 pm »
4/9? Playing away? Against Manchester United?

We're either heading to the biggest betting sting in the history of football or Ole Gunnar Solskjaer really is the Manager of Manchester United...
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12418 on: April 23, 2019, 12:17:41 am »
4/9? Playing away? Against Manchester United?

We're either heading to the biggest betting sting in the history of football or Ole Gunnar Solskjaer really is the Manager of Manchester United...
I’m pretty sure 13/2 is the biggest home league odds man u have ever had. 2/1 draw/man u double chance aswell.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12419 on: April 23, 2019, 01:02:02 am »
Anybody know how Manchester United set up against Everton? Honest question, because I didn't see the game and heard very little tactical analysis from the Sky lads later, just rhetoric about "playing for the shirt" and players "downing tools" and other assorted nonsense. I'm wondering, in particular, whether Solskjaer's tactics, going away to a ground where Arsenal and Chelsea have lost and Liverpool drawn recently, were actually fit for purpose, because that would be my biggest doubt on Wednesday. Not the players or the motivation, but the manager.

Some of the stuff Neville was coming out with yesterday was borderline scandalous from a supposedly serious broadcaster, and this coming hot on the heels of his embarrassing, barely-concealed bias for Manchester City of late. Even the Sky presenter was moved to basically say: "everyone knows you're talking about Pogba, Gary". And yet, infuriating though he may be at times, this is the same Pogba who was central to his country winning (World Cup) and finishing runners-up (European Championship) in France's last two major international tournaments, to Juventus reaching a Champions League final in 2015, and Mourinho managed some success with him in the team as well. Perhaps Ole should get on the phone to Deschamps, Allegri or his predecessor if he needs advice on how to get the best out of the player?

"How can he get a performance out of that team for Wednesday night?" the Sky presenter nonetheless asked after Liverpool had completed their business in south Wales yesterday afternoon. What an absurd question, on several levels. Quite aside from the fact that it was directed to a man who managed a 35.71% win ratio in charge of a Champions League-calibre Valencia squad and led them to a 7-0 humiliation in the Nou Camp, is it not the very essence of a football manager's job to be able to motivate a team, regardless of the respective mentalities or qualities of the players at his disposal? And is that not especially the case when said manager is earning a reported £7.5m per annum, precisely to motivate footballers to perform, for the shirt, for money, for glory, for whatever floats their boat?

By way of example: Romelu Lukaku has scored 42 goals in 94 appearances since joining Manchester United, a rate of just under 1 in 2. Before that, it was 87 in 166 for Everton, just over 1 in 2. He has also scored 45 in 79 at international level, again better than 1 in 2, and he's only 25. If he's carrying an injury he should be resting, but everything else (e.g. working on his confidence, finding a position to get the best out of him) falls under the manager's remit. It's scarcely believable to suggest that a decent manager can't make use of a player like that, a career 1-in-2 striker. That's if Solksjaer is "decent" at all.

I said a couple of weeks back that the prospect of City dropping points really depends on City themselves, far more than it does on their opponents — if they've been deliberately coasting since mid-February, during which time they've only remotely looked like themselves in an attacking sense against the 15th-best team in Germany and last week against Spurs (where they also conceded three, of course) and are now about to go up through the gears again, then Manchester United don't stand much of a chance on Wednesday, motivated or not. Not against that City.

But I don't think City are that team right now. They seem tired, they seem harassed. They don't have the look of a side that's going to show up and wipe the floor with any competent team, no more than they did with Fulham or Cardiff recently (both beaten 2-0). They'll be motivated, of course, and they'll be technically excellent as always, and they'll bully and moan and intimidate. But they have weaknesses that are slowly becoming more tangible, more reachable, in a way that reminds me of a scene near the end of the 2005 remake of War of the Worlds (in this scene Tom Cruise is representative of Liverpool supporters, the alien is Manchester City, and the solider is anyone who has anything to do with City's remaining opponents).

In my opinion, that means that all of them, bar maybe Brighton, have a chance — in other words, Manchester United, Burnley and Leicester City. It doesn't mean they will, but all three have sufficient quality in their ranks to get a result against them. Even United. I say "even United" because Neville and others would have you believe otherwise. But this is almost the exact same group of players that won a League Cup and Europa League under Mourinho in 2016/17, and finished 2nd last season (with 82 points, more than Leicester in 2015/16) and runners-up in the FA Cup. They've lost 1 out of 16 at home in the league this season. They're by no means bad individually.

The narrative pushed by the likes of Sky has been about under-performing players letting the manager down, as though Solksjaer reeled off 10 wins out of 12 and beat PSG by himself. Motivation, in the form of professional pride if nothing else, is unlikely to be a problem on Wednesday given the spotlight that's on them after Everton, and there's enough quality there to hurt and/or frustrate City. The competence of the manager, especially in terms of setting up with an effective tactical plan, is what I would doubt. Great for us in the long-term, not so great in the immediate context of this season. But if he can manage to come up with something that has a chance of working on Wednesday, even if it's just parking the bus, I'll take that right now.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12420 on: April 23, 2019, 03:08:31 am »
...snip...

Like many things in football, it is probably a combination of things.

They do have some good individual players - De Gea, Pogba, Martial, Rashford, Mata, Lukaku, Lingard ... All pretty good players on paper. I don't think their managers have quite figured out how to get the best out of all of them together on the pitch. The team doesn't really have an identity or recognizable style.

Similarly, they have some strong personalities at the club, perhaps some prima donnas that are a constant distraction from focusing on results. This friction resulted in them sacking one of the top managers in the modern era. They then replaced him with a club favorite but otherwise inexperienced and probably bang average manager in OGS who barely lit up the world at Molde and was useless at Cardiff.

In that sense I agree with Neville that theyve gone astray in terms of how they run their club and their ethos. The Man Utd teams of old had perhaps 1-2 world Superstars but a high number of largely excellent and underrated players who embodied teamwork, industry and that club first mentality. Instead they've gone the way we used to be which was have a bunch of decent players and one or two world class players who can change a game.

Personally, Im quite happy that theyve regressed. If they want to get back to where they used to be, the first step is get rid of some prima donnas first (no matter how good they are), and they get an intelligent innovative manager. After that then they can think about recruitment depending on the resources they have. I think they missed a trick by not snapping up Pochettino, but that suits me just fine. Id much rather OGS stays there because I don't think they'll get anywhere with him and the selection of prima donnas there.

As for the derby game. They don't have the ingredients in place for sustained success, but that doesn't mean they can't turn up on any given day and have a good game. They'll want a reaction and at Old Trafford I back them to give it a go and hopefully give those Oil merchants a fair old fright

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12421 on: April 23, 2019, 03:51:08 am »
Like many things in football, it is probably a combination of things.

They do have some good individual players - De Gea, Pogba, Martial, Rashford, Mata, Lukaku, Lingard ... All pretty good players on paper. I don't think their managers have quite figured out how to get the best out of all of them together on the pitch. The team doesn't really have an identity or recognizable style.

Similarly, they have some strong personalities at the club, perhaps some prima donnas that are a constant distraction from focusing on results. This friction resulted in them sacking one of the top managers in the modern era. They then replaced him with a club favorite but otherwise inexperienced and probably bang average manager in OGS who barely lit up the world at Molde and was useless at Cardiff.

In that sense I agree with Neville that theyve gone astray in terms of how they run their club and their ethos. The Man Utd teams of old had perhaps 1-2 world Superstars but a high number of largely excellent and underrated players who embodied teamwork, industry and that club first mentality. Instead they've gone the way we used to be which was have a bunch of decent players and one or two world class players who can change a game.

Personally, Im quite happy that theyve regressed. If they want to get back to where they used to be, the first step is get rid of some prima donnas first (no matter how good they are), and they get an intelligent innovative manager. After that then they can think about recruitment depending on the resources they have. I think they missed a trick by not snapping up Pochettino, but that suits me just fine. Id much rather OGS stays there because I don't think they'll get anywhere with him and the selection of prima donnas there.

As for the derby game. They don't have the ingredients in place for sustained success, but that doesn't mean they can't turn up on any given day and have a good game. They'll want a reaction and at Old Trafford I back them to give it a go and hopefully give those Oil merchants a fair old fright

Agreed with most, except the getting rid of prima donnas first part.

The first part IMO is to bring in a proper manager that has an approach that they can invest in for the long term, the same way we invested in Klopp, because we were confident that his methods, properly invested in, would see returns over a cycle of development.

That manager can then decide who they want to jettison.

But now they're committed to OGS over the short term - you'd think at least until the end of next season, come what may. That means giving responsibility of a huge round of investment and divestment to a guy that's had a fairly uninspiring managerial career so far, to say the least, with no real promise of being a tactical innovator or great player manager. It will be really interesting to see the extent to which United backs him with money, because it's plain for all to see that it's a big risk.

In terms of their derby, I'd be very surprised if they weren't up for it. They're still very much in it for top 4, and the criticism they've received will sting. And then of course, it's a derby.

I can see it going a couple of ways - either City blows them away early and game over, or we get a tense round of opening exchanges without City being able to land a blow, and the qualities of the teams give way to the pressures of the occasion - a derby, a title race, and a top 4 race. At that point it can go either way.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12422 on: April 23, 2019, 06:29:48 am »
These days between rounds of games are killing me. Sitting there spending half my day absentmindedly looking through  fixture list on multiple websites and concocting scenarios in my head for if City blow it against X, how we'd have to make sure we respond against Y. My mates are getting used to me going off on one in the pub about City being corrupt cheating bastards and they are having to just roll their eyes and nod along. ;D

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« Reply #12423 on: April 23, 2019, 06:40:52 am »
If utd can keep them out in the first 15 mins then confidence might grow. Can't see Pep wanting to be patient. He knows the quick passing and possession against an inept utd side should get him a goal.

Not sure I want to watch a manc derby and torture myself

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« Reply #12424 on: April 23, 2019, 07:14:08 am »
Got to laugh though. The Red mancs knowing that we're all hoping for them to win while most of them are desperate that they lose!!  ;D.   Half their team will be playing their bollocks off for their careers and the other half playing for a move!!

Yeah, I'd have feared if they had any legends in their team, they'd probably lose on purpose. But with this team, i have a feeling that DeGea will want to save everything, and Pogba trying to impress and prove his critics wrong, after the Everton defeat. They also have a chance to quality for the CL. Their board wants that desperately i guess, since they could lose millions, and also they could lose some key players. And not to mention the rebuilding process that Ole mentioned the other day it's going to be even harder without CL football.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12425 on: April 23, 2019, 07:21:23 am »

Not sure I want to watch a manc derby and torture myself

100% not watching this.. our games are draining me enough :D

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« Reply #12426 on: April 23, 2019, 07:44:09 am »
There's definitely been a divide since he got the job on a permanent basis.

Before that, it was everyone trying their best to turn the season into some kind of success. Get a good feeling back with a caretaker manager in preparation for becoming a proper team again next year under a top manager like Zidane or Pochettino.

As soon as they realised that what they were ACTUALLY getting was the ex Molde manager full time their collective hearts sank. Pogba especially (you can imagine him glancing across at us and City with world class managers and thinking how the fuck do we compete).

Since then, all you've heard is how Ole is going to sort the wheat from the chaff with this squad.  Going over to the fans on his own at Everton told a story.  Dea Gea, Herrera, Mata looking at moving/not signing contracts etc

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« Reply #12427 on: April 23, 2019, 07:51:43 am »
100% not watching this.. our games are draining me enough :D

Watched City v Spurs over the weekend, which was excruciating. I really can't be arsed cheering for them (much less United) as if they were Liverpool.

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« Reply #12428 on: April 23, 2019, 08:00:09 am »
Tempted to take Milner's approach:

"First time in my life," Milner said about his support for United this week.

"But I won't be watching. It's a bit of a waste of energy, willing the ball in the other goal.

"I can't do anything about it. I'll maybe put my phone away for a few hours and check it after. I've no idea what I'll do, maybe go out for some food."
Tried that with the Spurs game! Spent every 5 mins wasting a load of energy checking my phone for the score. May as well just want, what will be will be
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12429 on: April 23, 2019, 08:00:14 am »
It's almost Wednesday.

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« Reply #12430 on: April 23, 2019, 08:19:57 am »
My mates are getting used to me going off on one in the pub about City being corrupt cheating bastards and they are having to just roll their eyes and nod along. ;D

Ha ha.

 ;D

Exactly the same here Dave lad. No matter what the topic of conversation at home or when out I somehow manage to bring it around to the evil that is the oil state club. I think my finest effort was a conversation about toothpaste. The mention of squeezing the neck of the tube gave me the opening to liken it to throttling Guardiola's treacherous scrawny neck.

One of these days I'll grow up.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12431 on: April 23, 2019, 08:29:14 am »
Man City are so good in that opening spell.  Their record of +18 GD in the opening 15 minutes is the best in the league by a margin of 11 goals (Everton are next best with +7 and we're +4).

https://www.soccerstats.com/timing.asp?league=england (we're the best in the league by far in the final 15 minutes)

If Man Utd can weather that early storm, and a probable similar storm at the start of the second half, then it could be a decent contest.  Hopefully the expected backlash and hyper motivation will get them through that period, and De Bruyne not playing will help with that.  If it comes down to a battle of wits between Guardiola and Solskjaer though then it will be an easy win for Man City.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12432 on: April 23, 2019, 08:37:32 am »
It's a derby, they've got to get in City's faces. Put in heavy challenges and see if City are up for a fight.

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« Reply #12433 on: April 23, 2019, 08:59:36 am »
As I mentioned in the other thread...I'm so much more calm about this all now

Enjoying the football we are playing, and I think the CL run has helped because I feel we are winning atleast one of the two this year but even if we don't I am so much more confident we will not fall off a cliff next season (unlike in previous season's where we've had a title challenge)

City look like a team that will drop points to me at the moment and we dont. Big week coming up, if they win their next 2 it will be tough but we can then have a CL semi as a nice bit of distraction
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12434 on: April 23, 2019, 09:05:31 am »


City look like a team that will drop points to me at the moment 

Based on what, their 10 league wins in a row?

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« Reply #12435 on: April 23, 2019, 09:09:13 am »
Based on what, their 10 league wins in a row?

Did anyone expect them to lose three out of four after going 15 games unbeaten?

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« Reply #12436 on: April 23, 2019, 09:16:32 am »
Tempted to take Milner's approach:

"First time in my life," Milner said about his support for United this week.

"But I won't be watching. It's a bit of a waste of energy, willing the ball in the other goal.

"I can't do anything about it. I'll maybe put my phone away for a few hours and check it after. I've no idea what I'll do, maybe go out for some food."

Yeah, there's no way I'm going to watch. Very wise James.

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« Reply #12437 on: April 23, 2019, 09:23:51 am »
I'm not expecting any favours from United but they need to fight for Top 4.

I feel pretty much the same as Milner; I don't think I'll watch.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #12438 on: April 23, 2019, 09:25:27 am »
If City are up 1-0 and Utd get a penalty in the last minute, I expect Pogba to do the right thing before heading to Madrid. And he'll probably celebrate like crazy too while the fans are all speechless.

This was literally my dream last night.

It was 0-1. 92nd Minute. Man Utd are awarded a Penalty which Pogba is about it take. As he was running up to take it I woke myself up as I couldn't bare to see the outcome ;D

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« Reply #12439 on: April 23, 2019, 09:38:31 am »
Based on what, their 10 league wins in a row?

based on a hunch to be honest.

They dont look to be battering teams, look a bit leggy and seem a bit off when things dont go their way (the few times thats happened during games)
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