Topic: Chasing the Title

[deFacto please, you bastards]

They managed to get a 0-0 draw at home against the best team in the world so it's not impossible they might do the same against City.

It was a poor performance from top to bottom from us though, and the injuries that totally disrupted the flow of the game.

[BobPaisley3]

They managed to get a 0-0 draw at home against the best team in the world so it's not impossible they might do the same against City.

This is the problem for me, they haven’t managed to score against three of the four champions league semi finalists at home this season. They don’t seem to be able to have the balls to take it to high class opponents. They won’t get smashed but I’m not sure they’ll score themselves.

[Jon2lfc]

They managed to get a 0-0 draw at home against the best team in the world so it's not impossible they might do the same against City.

I like this post. I see what you did there.

[Perham]

Nice post and I agree with most of it ... it's just becoming tiresome being the greatest runners-up of all time.  I'm sick of the "Best team in league history NOT to win the league"  97 points without winning it would be unbearable and it'd be directly because of City ultimately being cheats as a football club.

As for your "remember the Klopp days" point .... I for one wouldn't be happy with that.  It's Newcastle with Keegan 21st Century model.

If we don't win this league it will be 8 out of the last 9 "finals" or "challenges" that we've missed out on.  9 from 10 if we get to the CL final and lose.  Sick of it.  We need to start being winners very soon.  I believe we will like, but the wait is almost killing me.

2007 CL Runners-up
2009 PL Runners-up
2012 LC Winners! FAC Runners-up
2014 PL Runners-up
2016 LC Runners-up/Europa Runners-up
2018 CL Runners-up
2019 PL

My point with the bold bit wasn't that I don't mind always being runners up, it was that we'll be back and I'm confident that we'll win the league at some point under Klopp. It's not like Keegan's Newcastle who never won anything.

[Jon2lfc]

For anyone on here who's being defeatist on here and telling everyone that the league is done and city are gonna steamroll the rest of their opponents, consider this. One day this team will be gone and will be remembered by our fans as one of the greatest teams to have ever represented our great club, regardless of whether we win it this season. However, if we do win it, this season will be seen as the most significant in making this team legendary.

 One day, your children or grandchildren will ask you what it was like to watch Klopp's famous Liverpool side who are remembered so fondly. How did it feel to watch them? Why are they remembered so fondly by our generation of fans? Do you really want to say that you spent the whole season telling everyone that city were too good and we had no chance? I know that I don't. Some people don't seem to realise that they're watching history before their very eyes every week and are complaining at every turn.

I understand that it isn't in our hands and there's every chance that city win every game they have left, in which case there's nothing we can do about that apart accept that we were beaten by a record breaking side (with questionable funding to create it) and went toe to toe with them. Some people might think that city are unbeatable and that we may as well not even think about the title at this point and focus on the CL. Personally, I'd prefer to believe and face the heart break if we fail to win the title.

I've grown up with stories about the great sides my dad saw in the 70s and 80s with great players, legendary games and incredible managers who were behind it all. I often wondered what it would be like to support a team like that who go in to every match feeling unstoppable and are feared by all opponents. I believed that those days were long behind us and Liverpool would never again reach those heights but this current crop of players have proved me completely wrong and shown that the glory days could well be back. This season, we've broken record after record set by those great teams, who I feared we'd never replicate again and I'm proud no matter what.

We may not win the league this year. Maybe, unbelievably, 97 points wont be enough for the title but make no mistake, we'll be back next year and many years after that under Klopp. Don't try to talk about draws against Leicester and West ham and say we should have won them because what you're asking for is near perfection and shouldn't be expected. If we break our club record points total and still finish second then of course I'll be devastated but I'll be confident that unlike 2009 and 2014, this isn't a one off. This team is out to make history.

3 games left and the team need support to help get the last 9 possible points of the season and that's all we can do now.

Come on you reds! YNWA

Well said brother.

I think this needs to be said to all the younger fans who have never witnessed our great teams for yesteryear.
I am grateful that I was around during the 80s when we were quite simply imperious. A true Red Machine respected and feared by all.

And you're right - this Klopp squad may be the start of something either very similar or, dare I say, better....?

Who knows. But, enjoy the ride!

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As a footnote, in some ways, the discussion with us being potentially pipped by another great team (Man City) and unfortunately being great at the same time is similar to the neverending Messi-Ronaldo discussion. Who is better blah blah blah. If they were born in separate eras it wouldn't be a discussion, because they both are.
The question would be, who would LFC being compared to? Ronny or Messi??
(off fishing now...)

[Son of Spion]

Klopp just burnt United in that post match presser.

https://www.football365.com/news/klopp-aims-huge-dig-at-man-utd-ahead-of-derby-match

“It [the derby] is not something we can influence, and it does not look like United are in a place to, either,”

Good stuff.

Very gentle compared to what we had to put up with in '95 though.
I remember how the media and everyone else was questioning the integrity of our whole club and making out we'd definitely throw the Blackburn game just to spite United.

[G Richards]

But City are only a quarter finalist, so Man Utd are bound to score!

[Rush 82]

Well said brother.

I think this needs to be said to all the younger fans who have never witnessed our great teams for yesteryear.
I am grateful that I was around during the 80s when we were quite simply imperious. A true Red Machine respected and feared by all.

And you're right - this Klopp squad may be the start of something either very similar or, dare I say, better....?

Who knows. But, enjoy the ride!

---------------------------------------------

As a footnote, in some ways, the discussion with us being potentially pipped by another great team (Man City) and unfortunately being great at the same time is similar to the neverending Messi-Ronaldo discussion. Who is better blah blah blah. If they were born in separate eras it wouldn't be a discussion, because they both are.
The question would be, who would LFC being compared to? Ronny or Messi??
(off fishing now...)

Messi - no question

[Perham]

Well said brother.

I think this needs to be said to all the younger fans who have never witnessed our great teams for yesteryear.
I am grateful that I was around during the 80s when we were quite simply imperious. A true Red Machine respected and feared by all.

And you're right - this Klopp squad may be the start of something either very similar or, dare I say, better....?

Who knows. But, enjoy the ride!

---------------------------------------------

As a footnote, in some ways, the discussion with us being potentially pipped by another great team (Man City) and unfortunately being great at the same time is similar to the neverending Messi-Ronaldo discussion. Who is better blah blah blah. If they were born in separate eras it wouldn't be a discussion, because they both are.
The question would be, who would LFC being compared to? Ronny or Messi??
(off fishing now...)

Yeah, you're completely right, I've never seen us win the league so I'm desperate for it to happen but this is the start of something huge. I do believe that history can help to shape the future. You can't rely on it of course but our team are going in to the last 3 games knowing they're looking to replicate our great sides of the past. Maybe city are trying to make their own new history unlike anything in their club's past, but we know that our club is special and I'm not sure they can say the same.

I agree about Messi and Ronaldo, both teams would be completely dominant without the other so it's unlucky that we had to be this good now. That being said, just like Messi and Ronaldo, you could argue that we are pushing each other this good so this team could be a result of having to be incredible.

My first thought was that we're more like Messi just because he seems more naturally talented, whereas Ronaldo seems slightly manufactured if that makes sense. That being said, the idea of Ronaldo having to work harder to be the player he is could be similar to the way we've had to build our team compared to them.

[Jookie]

These are the 2 best English teams of the Premier League era, maybe even longer. Only Chelsea from 04/05 can hold a candle to them. No one else comes close to being this good at accumulating wins and points. Insane and unfortunate that they’ve both landed in the same season.

I do think you need to include Arsenal between 01 and 04. The Invincible team could have got more than 90 points. They just weren't pushed and in the last few months of the season it become more important not to lose than win.

During the 3 season period between 2001/02 and 2003/04 they won 2 out of 3 league titles, had an unbeaten season and got +20 points more than any other club over the course of that 3 season period.

I think this current Liverpool side and Manchester City side are absolutely brilliant. I think the fact that there are 2 outstanding teams is pushing them to new heights. For City to put up a 90+ season (with potentially 2 domestic cups) after a 100 point season is outstanding. Our ability to stay with them and get to the CL is outstanding too. Both teams are in the Top 5 or 6 teams in the PL era.

[spider-neil]

Klopp just burnt United in that post match presser.

https://www.football365.com/news/klopp-aims-huge-dig-at-man-utd-ahead-of-derby-match

“It [the derby] is not something we can influence, and it does not look like United are in a place to, either,”

Oof!

[Barneylfc∗]

Klopp just burnt United in that post match presser.

https://www.football365.com/news/klopp-aims-huge-dig-at-man-utd-ahead-of-derby-match

“It [the derby] is not something we can influence, and it does not look like United are in a place to, either,”

Fucking hell. If that doesn't give them a kick in the stones then nothing will. Imagine Ferguson saying this about us back in the day. I'd be fucking livid

[Samie]

[Black Bull Nova]

yes, United were shite but worth remembering in the last 17 they have won 12 drawn 2 and lost 3, they are not that shite. Given that, City should still beat them.

Worth pointing out that Leicester ave lost 1 in 6 and Burnley have 3 wins on the bounce.

Hope lives.

[M(oaning) B(ecomes) E(mbarrassing)]

I heard stewards at Goodison yesterday caught two United fans climbing over the wall.  They grabbed them and escorted them back to their seats and told them in no uncertain terms to watch it like the rest of their fans. 

I'll get me coat. 

[lfcrule6times]

Didn't realise that United have somehow only lost once at home in the league this season, and that was in August against Spurs. This gives me some confidence.

[StormyDog]

City’s strength over the last few league games is that they score very early and are able to rest on the ball for most of the game.

[Jon2lfc]

Yeah, you're completely right, I've never seen us win the league so I'm desperate for it to happen but this is the start of something huge. I do believe that history can help to shape the future. You can't rely on it of course but our team are going in to the last 3 games knowing they're looking to replicate our great sides of the past. Maybe city are trying to make their own new history unlike anything in their club's past, but we know that our club is special and I'm not sure they can say the same.

I agree about Messi and Ronaldo, both teams would be completely dominant without the other so it's unlucky that we had to be this good now. That being said, just like Messi and Ronaldo, you could argue that we are pushing each other this good so this team could be a result of having to be incredible.

My first thought was that we're more like Messi just because he seems more naturally talented, whereas Ronaldo seems slightly manufactured if that makes sense. That being said, the idea of Ronaldo having to work harder to be the player he is could be similar to the way we've had to build our team compared to them.

Yeah, I believe that we are probably a few degrees greater because we are being pushed by Man City, and vice versa.
The question is - is the form of both teams sustainable over a few years? All things being constant? But we all know, nothing is really constant in these modern times. Things move and change so quickly. Where were Many City a few years ago??

This is probably a different and deeper discussion, but I think the 70s and 80s and now are different eras. And to be great in each of them requires different approaches. Everything is now ramped up to the nth degree. Money rules. To be the best you have to invest.

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This may be controversial, but I actually think we as a club could actually be compared to Ronaldo more than Messi
For the reasons you gave.
Obviously it's a crude discussion/comparison but has some interest.
But, as Reds we cannot attach ourselves to the Greasy One, so I'd say we are more like Ronaldo - the Brazilian one!

[spider-neil]

As crap as Manu are I still think they represent the best chance of dropped points.
Leicester at home.
Burnley away.
Brighton away.
Don't see it. It's Manu or bust.

[Barneylfc∗]

I think if Man City drop points in any game, we'll win the league. If they don't, they'll win it.

[The G in Gerrard]

Fucking hell. If that doesn't give them a kick in the stones then nothing will. Imagine Ferguson saying this about us back in the day. I'd be fucking livid

I'm not counting on them. They are dreadful.

[Barneylfc∗]

I'm not counting on them. They are dreadful.

That display yesterday was probably the worst display I've ever seen of any United side in my life time. Truly woeful, devoid of any hope or belief that they can play a game of football. Like a local pub side team that won a competition to play against a Premier League team.
I'm not putting any hope in them being the ones to take points of City. What I'm hoping for is the fact that a 14 game winning run is rare. City have lost against worst sides than United this season. Any one of the 4 could spring a surprise. I don't particularly care which one it is.

[spider-neil]

That display yesterday was probably the worst display I've ever seen of any United side in my life time. Truly woeful, devoid of any hope or belief that they can play a game of football. Like a local pub side team that won a competition to play against a Premier League team.
I'm not putting any hope in them being the ones to take points of City. What I'm hoping for is the fact that a 14 game winning run is rare. City have lost against worst sides than United this season. Any one of the 4 could spring a surprise. I don't particularly care which one it is.

To be fair, City has gone on an 18 game winning run. Spurs were the best hope and they came close. Next is Manu. After that we're hoping for a miracle.

[The G in Gerrard]

That display yesterday was probably the worst display I've ever seen of any United side in my life time. Truly woeful, devoid of any hope or belief that they can play a game of football. Like a local pub side team that won a competition to play against a Premier League team.
I'm not putting any hope in them being the ones to take points of City. What I'm hoping for is the fact that a 14 game winning run is rare. City have lost against worst sides than United this season. Any one of the 4 could spring a surprise. I don't particularly care which one it is.

Yeah they are worse than I imagined. Not a single player would get into our team. Actually have more chance of Burnley doing us a favour imo. This United team will get destroyed on Wednesday. We are doing everything that has been asked of us.

[please, I have my reasons for it but...]

I think if Man City drop points in any game, we'll win the league. If they don't, they'll win it.

[Zoomers]

To be fair, City has gone on an 18 game winning run. Spurs were the best hope and they came close. Next is Manu. After that we're hoping for a miracle.

Personally feel if they win at United and Burnley then they'll win it all.

The reason I put Burnley above the other 2 is because 1) it's away 2) they'll make it a dog fight. Leicester and Brighton aren't very good and yes I know Brighton is away for City too but they're just shit, City will rip their defense apart.

[PhaseOfPlay]

Personally feel if they win at United and Burnley then they'll win it all.

The reason I put Burnley above the other 2 is because 1) it's away 2) they'll make it a dog fight. Leicester and Brighton aren't very good and yes I know Brighton is away for City too but they're just shit, City will rip their defense apart.

Leicester are 9 points ahead of Burnley, so how do you work that one out?

[farawayred]

The ride has been wonderful so far, what a season! If we don't win the title, we could say that we were 1.3 cm away from it.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Fiight until the last kick of the season, keep winning keep the pressure on them you never know in football, there are no guarantees.

[sms1986]

Fiight until the last kick of the season, keep winning keep the pressure on them you never know in football, there are no guarantees.

And whether we win one, two or no competitions this season, we’ll go again next season!

[exiledintheUSA]

Leicester are 9 points ahead of Burnley, so how do you work that one out?

I'm assuming the point trying to be made is Burnley away is tougher than Leicester at home for City.  Burnley and Leicester have near identical home records - that said Leicester's away record is pretty decent.

[JackWard33]

Personally feel if they win at United and Burnley then they'll win it all.

The reason I put Burnley above the other 2 is because 1) it's away 2) they'll make it a dog fight. Leicester and Brighton aren't very good and yes I know Brighton is away for City too but they're just shit, City will rip their defense apart.

That burnley game is a big ask after the week they’ll have had
Burnley 5th in the league on form in 2019 and it’s always horrible at their place.
Obv City are favorites but it’s not even close to a certainty they win it

[newterp]

I don't think that was his quote at all. It might have been close - but I think it has been sensationalized and changed just enough to create an air that Klopp is being disrespectful.

[exiledintheUSA]

That burnley game is a big ask after the week they’ll have had
Burnley 5th in the league on form in 2019 and it’s always horrible at their place.
Obv City are favorites but it’s not even close to a certainty they win it

If Dyche can get them up for a battle then you never know - he'll probably have them roll over for a giant tummy tickle.

[Nick110581]

I don't think that was his quote at all. It might have been close - but I think it has been sensationalized and changed just enough to create an air that Klopp is being disrespectful.

He said it in the Sky interview directly after.

[newterp]

He said it in the Sky interview directly after.

Ok - I read quotes where he said "City will be ready and we'll see if United are as well..."

[spider-neil]

If you're talking about moments where the league turned

City
1. Southampton away
Ward Prowse bundled over in the box at 2-1. Stonewall penalty waved away.

2. West Ham
Bernardo Silva trips over his own feet. Penalty 1-0. Softest penalty this season

3. Watford
Most ridiculous decision of the entire season. Ref changes the decision of the offside goal over a linesman who only job is literally to spot offsides. A truly what the absolute FUCK moment of the season.

4. Liverpool
Kompany. Off the floor. Studs up. Out of control challenge on Salah. Yellow.

[sms1986]

Great from Klopp as usual!

[McSquared]

Ok - I read quotes where he said "City will be ready and we'll see if United are as well..."

Definitely heard him say the quote on sky or close enough

[Mr_Shane]

Indeed we know what we need to do next season and where out shortcomings are, as do the players. No one needs to tell them

We know we can do it as well. We have matched City's results since our draw to everton.