Topic: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)

[Il Nina]

Well done Pepe and all the team, staff and club for getting behind him! 

[Pheeny]

here we go again! talkshite Liverpool bashing!!

why listen?

[free_at_last]

When backed up by what we now can assume to be pretty conclusive insight that the term 'negra' or 'negrita' is no more than an instinctive Uraguyan colloquialism meaning 'pal' [as in what's your probelm pal?] - it would seem that Evra has virtually no defence. He instigated it. He was the aggressor, he was the one feigning injury for a "foul" that never actually occured. He was the ungracious twat who began the 'spat'.

I agree with you. How can any Red - correction how can any fair minded reasonably well balanced person - who was there to see Evra's typical aggressive snarling show of pique and now knows the real meaning of what it seems was said by both parties see it any differently?

   That's what I'm saying. Even one of the moderators can't see that train of thought. I may be stupid but I know what is right.

[S.Red please]

here we go again! talkshite Liverpool bashing!!

Why are you listening? It's talksport for fucks sake.

[Matt8Pie]

here we go again! talkshite Liverpool bashing!!

Why put it on and give them listener numbers which is exactly what they're after?

[Pistolero]

why listen?

Know your enemy.

[LiverLuke]

since when was talkshite worth listening to anyway

[Chakan]

here we go again! talkshite Liverpool bashing!!

Never fight with idiots they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

[yes]

Err... there are a few on here that are doing that and if you see it - report to mod please and we will deal with it. They don't represent the site or most of the posters. We have always had an uncompromising attitude to racism, sexism and homophobia on this site - that hasn't changed as a result of the Suarez verdict.

As for the Daily Mail - it has an editor and the point I was making was that the editorial line since the Suarez verdict is at odds with the piece published weeks ago. My contention is that the current editorial line on racism would not allow that October piece to be published now.

I could be wrong but I don't think I am.

Don't get me wrong Alan, I agree with everything you've said and I don't think what I said is to the detriment of that.

My issue is that anyone who reads the Daily Mail knows, or more like deserves, what they're going to get, whereas I'd like to think we as a club are one of the more socially progressive and, I'll stress again, some of the stuff knocking around over the last couple of days was from another era.

I suppose it's case of me being more concerned with the behaviour of our own before pointing the finger at an entity that has a long-established tradition of shithousery. As I say that's not to say your point is invalid because it's clearly not, just that in context I'm more disappointed with what I'm hearing coming from a significant minority of Liverpool supporters.

I'm also aware of the attitude towards prejudice from your end and understand that you can't control the thought processes of each and every individual. It wasn't meant as a critique on the moderators, more that I was surprised to see people so openly discussing their archaic beliefs in public, disingenuously or otherwise.

[Il Nina]

This is a brilliant article and it's enlightening to read some sense at last on the issue from a journalist.

[KennyDaggers]

Fuck me , wandered over to Blue Moon to look at the spying Kop answers and landed on this doozey of a thread

http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=241360&start=960

I almost questioned my own sanity and i all of the points of view in my head was because of the red tinted glasses. Unfortunately after going through a few pages of that Bile i realized that like it or not we are now (as a club and supporters) well and truly at war and will be forced to have a siege mentality

I would wish no man other than Kenny to be my general

I've read loads of other clubs forums and we have the support of no one.

I wish we'd just accept that Luis has been misunderstood and whilst he's not racist we'll accept that he's been found guilty by the panel of making an offensive gesture. Louis apologizes for the misunderstanding, we appeal and that's that. It will probably be reduced to a 3 game ban which is the best we will get out of this with now.

This is just spiralling out of control now and we are doing ourselves no favours whatsoever.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

I'm not even sure. But i know when I read the players statement, and found out that the team were going wearing the t-shirts, i groaned, because I knew what the reaction from the press would be. I know we say, fuck them and all that, and rightly so, but like it or not, they are a powerful beast. I've even been keeping away from it as much I can, but it's nearly impossible, we're being attacked from all fucking sides here.

This is where we disagree slightly, Bob. Because make no mistake - Liverpool FC and Liverpool the City have been attacked from all fucking sides for more years than I care to remember. Every year there is another attack from a new source. It's been going on since Thatcher and her Cronies and even before then. Look at the average opinion of your average 'Englishman' about Liverpool.

I'm in a different boat than some because I'm not originally from Liverpool - I'm not a Scouser, but I've lived here for 25 years.

I have lived outside Liverpool and I live in it now and I see what is flung at the City and the Club and the people is utterly unfair. In many cases it's bigoted. I can see it and be objective about it because I always remember what was said about "Scousers" and their "City".

When I first worked in Liverpool I was literally terrified. I remembered all the papers and the press more or less saying everyone there was benefit scum, would kill you if they had the chance and were basically evil. I was terrified.

And then I came across the lovliest, friendliest people I'd personally met in the UK. I came to a vibrant City proud of its past and although in trouble financially proud of its future to come. I found warmth, decency, quiet brilliance and acceptance.

And I've lived here ever since.

And yet look around even now - the same shite about 'Scousers' the same shite about the City. The same shite about Liverpool FC.

I may not be a Scouser but I'm fucking proud of this place, it's people and both Clubs. I used to live in other places in England but if they don't like us then fuck them.

This has been going on for decades.

[Beav]

Showed that pic to someone I know, their reply was simply "its no excuse to break the law in England and say its not illegal in another country"

Think she missed the point.

[John C]

This

Well said Andy.

[SportBilly]

I may not be a Scouser but I'm fucking proud of this place, it's people and both Clubs. I used to live in other places in England but if they don't like us then fuck them.

You seem Scouse enough to me, Andy 

[Alan_X]

Don't get me wrong Alan, I agree with everything you've said and I don't think what I said is to the detriment of that.

My issue is that anyone who reads the Daily Mail knows, or more like deserves, what they're going to get, whereas I'd like to think we as a club are one of the more socially progressive and, I'll stress again, some of the stuff knocking around over the last couple of days was from another era.

I suppose it's case of me being more concerned with the behaviour of our own before pointing the finger at an entity that has a long-established tradition of shithousery. As I say that's not to say your point is invalid because it's clearly not, just that in context I'm more disappointed with what I'm hearing coming from a significant minority of Liverpool supporters.

I'm also aware of the attitude towards prejudice from your end and understand that you can't control the thought processes of each and every individual. It wasn't meant as a critique on the moderators, more that I was surprised to see people so openly discussing their archaic beliefs in public, disingenuously or otherwise.

Fair comment. The FA have created a real shit-storm with this one and I agree whole-heartedly that we need to be careful not to give people anymore ammunition than necessary.

Like I say - if you see any bad examples use the report to moderator button.

[reddd10]

What a guy.

[Pistolero]

here we go again! talkshite Liverpool bashing!!

so the message that the T-Shirts send out is...and I quote.. 'We're Liverpool and we'll be racist if we want to'


the club should sue this tinpot station and the ginger haired shit stirring c*nt Adrian Durham

[martinkelly]

Fucking love him, a lot.

[ClaireW]

Because all too often the person who inadvertently utters the word is uttered a racist by all and sundry and hung out to dry, rather than politely educated that the word is no longer appropriate and perhaps it should not be used next time?

Take Hansen last night... if you look at twitter today there's plenty of accounts linking him to the KKK. I mean wtf

No doubt being hung out to dry by the same people who will profess something or other is political correctness gone mad in relation to something else. 

Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows what Hansen said was just stupid, not racist.  From what a gather about Twitter, common sense is a bit of a rarity?  That said a man in Hansen's position should know better. 

I do still find it incredible that anyone can still think the term 'coloured' is the acceptable term to describe someone who is black, but I know that lots do.   Just from TV alone, prior to Hansen on MOTD when did anyone last hear anyone refer to someone as coloured rather than black?  Or in  newspapers?  As an example, the Stephen Lawrenson case is everywhere at the moment. 

[CharlieAdamsLeftFoot]

so the message that the T-Shirts send out is...and I quote.. 'We're Liverpool and we'll be racist if we want to'


the club should sue this tinpot station and the ginger haired shit stirring c*nt Adrian Durham

absolute joke!!

[John C]

Pepe was the gift of the last decade from Rafa. What a servant to this club.

There are people who have played a long side him in the team for nearly as many years as him who will never be club legends in my eyes but Pepe has cemented his place as one of the greats in the history of this club.

[El_Pistolero]

They're on a roll now.

We're all thick and 'choosing to ignore this serious issue.'.

[Coolie High]

Why listen to them then?

[free_at_last]

I've read loads of other clubs forums and we have the support of no one.

I wish we'd just accept that Luis has been misunderstood and whilst he's not racist we'll accept that he's been found guilty by the panel of making an offensive gesture. Louis apologizes for the misunderstanding, we appeal and that's that. It will probably be reduced to a 3 game ban which is the best we will get out of this with now.

This is just spiralling out of control now and we are doing ourselves no favours whatsoever.

Kenny - we don't give a shite what the other clubs think(we wouldn't expect them to support us).
 We are proud of who we are.
 We are proud of Luis Suarez(ask them if they'd like him to play for them).
 It's just great to follow Liverpool F.C

[Hymer Red]

No doubt being hung out to dry by the same people who will profess something or other is political correctness gone mad in relation to something else. 

Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows what Hansen said was just stupid, not racist.  From what a gather about Twitter, common sense is a bit of a rarity?  That said a man in Hansen's position should know better. 

I do still find it incredible that anyone can still think the term 'coloured' is the acceptable term to describe someone who is black, but I know that lots do.   Just from TV alone, prior to Hansen on MOTD when did anyone last hear anyone refer to someone as coloured rather than black?  Or in  newspapers?  As an example, the Stephen Lawrenson case is everywhere at the moment.

Rather sheepishly I hold my hand up for that charge. Im 54 and had no idea that coloured was now considered offensive, none at all. I consider myself to be aware of current affairs I read a lot and watch documentary type TV not soaps and amateur/celeb competitions. Given the current climate I wonder what else I dont know and might get shot for?

[Juan Loco]

I can't get over the fucking Star and the Mail's reporters getting up on their soapbox over racism when they work for a paper who can't even be bothered to moderate the reader comments on their website.

[KennyDaggers]

They're on a roll now.

We're all thick and 'choosing to ignore this serious issue.'.

I never thought I'd agree with Gough but he's right here, this needs cutting in the bud I just feel were in too deep now.

This is spiralling out of control now, when a simple apology if he's been misunderstood but no offence was meant would of ended it and got the ban reduced on appeal.

[lfc ant]

They're on a roll now.

We're all thick and 'choosing to ignore this serious issue.'.

I tuned in just to hear what we were up against ,and boy, we are up against it! What does Darren Gough know about Liverpool FC! Complete shite, won't be listening to it again. AND now a liverpool fan calling up saying he is withdrawing his support from liverpool fc! 

[Pistolero]

I never thought I'd agree with Gough but he's right here, this needs cutting in the bud I just feel were in too deep now.

This is spiralling out of control now, when a simple apology if he's been misunderstood but no offence was meant would of ended it and got the ban reduced on appeal.

turn it in.

[Pheeny]

Rather sheepishly I hold my hand up for that charge. Im 54 and had no idea that coloured was now considered offensive, none at all. I consider myself to be aware of current affairs I read a lot and watch documentary type TV not soaps and amateur/celeb competitions. Given the current climate I wonder what else I dont know and might get shot for?

51 here and didn't know about "coloured" until I was pulled up about it on here a couple of years ago.Still come out with it every so often with out meaning offence.

[Chakan]

I tuned in just to hear what we were up against ,and boy, we are up against it! What does Darren Gough know about Liverpool FC! Complete shite, won't be listening to it again. AND now a liverpool fan calling up saying he is withdrawing his support from liverpool fc! 

Why are people still listening?

[meff]

The world doesn't revolve around the English FA, which is really just a small, ugly, hairy wart on the arse that is the world.

I know they would like it to but unfortunately for them that is not and never will be the case.

Outside of this country, have we witnessed any back-slapping or semblance of universal approval for the FA's conduct? Didn't think so. You reap what you sow in this life and those who are just plain stupid or have no concept of sound judgement usually find this out the hard way. Was the world cup bid debacle not a harsh enough lesson?

[Pheeny]

so have "Talk Shite" quoted Evra who said that he believes Luis is not a racist?

[Pistolero]

is Darren Gough actually this fuckin thick?....it must be an act surely

[The G in Gerrard]

so have "Talk Shite" quoted Evra who said that he believes Luis is not a racist?

The only people I've heard that have questioned that accusation is Keys & Gray to be honest

[Hymer Red]

Ive been thinking for a while that a European Super League was on the cards and it was just a matter of time before it happened. I wonder if anyone at LFC is thinking now might be the time to start the push for it to happen sooner rather than later?

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Ive been thinking for a while that a European Super League was on the cards and it was just a matter of time before it happened. I wonder if anyone at LFC is thinking now might be the time to start the push for it to happen sooner rather than later?

I was always, always against it. But it has to happen now. We have to get our club out of England and away from these morons. It's actually embarrasing.

[Camarero25]

I never thought I'd agree with Gough but he's right here, this needs cutting in the bud I just feel were in too deep now.

This is spiralling out of control now, when a simple apology if he's been misunderstood but no offence was meant would of ended it and got the ban reduced on appeal.

No. If we genuinely believe Luis is innocent we have to go as far as we can to clear his name. I don't give a shit what the fuckwits think, we're not going to lie down and take it any more. Can't wait 'til Luis is cleared, let's see what the bell ends have to say then.

[ClaireW]

Rather sheepishly I hold my hand up for that charge. Im 54 and had no idea that coloured was now considered offensive, none at all. I consider myself to be aware of current affairs I read a lot and watch documentary type TV not soaps and amateur/celeb competitions. Given the current climate I wonder what else I dont know and might get shot for?

To be honest, I don't think it is deemed offensive per se.  I think it's a term which is widely accepted as one which people say when they wrongly think they are saying the right thing.  It doesn't even begin to compare to the N word or other such terms.

As part of my job I train in Equality & Diversity and I have lost count of the number of people who think it's the right term and really do not mean any offence by it at all.