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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #760 on: December 7, 2020, 09:38:53 am »
I'm sure I read somewhere that they are altering the pitch dimensions during these works

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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #761 on: December 7, 2020, 10:36:33 am »
If 1:1.25 safe standing was allowed and they added rail seats to accommodate this to the kop and lower ARE you could increase capacity by a further 4K taking the total to 65k.


I don't see how they can get 25% more in the Kop, even with safe standing. It pretty much is standing every game, Unsafe Standing if you like, and there is no room in there. I just can't see another 3-4k being allowed to stand within the current area.

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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #762 on: December 7, 2020, 01:06:47 pm »
I'm sure I read somewhere that they are altering the pitch dimensions during these works

Not too sure how given the lower tier remains.

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« Reply #763 on: December 8, 2020, 07:05:46 am »
Not too sure how given the lower tier remains.

That and its been said previously on here that the roof on the kop would mean sight lines for those at the back would be none existent for the goal at the anny Road end

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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #764 on: December 22, 2020, 08:05:59 pm »
I pretty much agree with that.

I'm not bothered about the Kop being the biggest end in the country or stuff like that. The Holte End at Villa was always bigger than the Spion Kop, yet it never had anything like the same reputation. Most people wouldn't even know what Villa's 'end' was called, yet virtually everyone knows the Anfield Spion Kop.

To be honest, I always felt that the Spion Kop was sort of like a theatre. The other three sides of the ground look towards the Kop all the time. I've been in all sections of our ground, and I'd spend half my time watching the Kop. As I said, it was like a theatre, and theatres tend to have a small stage but towering balconies looking over them. With a standing Kop and an expanded Anny and Kenny, the Kop would almost feel like a theatre to perform from as fans once more.

I'm no civil engineer or architect but would it not be possible to raise the Kop's roof to the same level as the new Main and ARE stand and cantilever the single tier out over the back so it overhangs the road if necessary?
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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #765 on: December 23, 2020, 01:33:48 am »
I'm no civil engineer or architect but would it not be possible to raise the Kop's roof to the same level as the new Main and ARE stand and cantilever the single tier out over the back so it overhangs the road if necessary?

Far more qualified people than I would need to answer that question.

I'm sure it's possible. I mean most things are given the money and the will, but whether it's worth it, cost-wise, to gain relatively few new seats, I'm really not sure.

I don't suppose it helps matters that there are, I think, plans for new buildings on the other side of Walton Breck Road, opposite the Kop. So a Kop that is higher and that goes further back would surely impact on those and the light they get. Re-routing WBR was maybe the best way to go there, but I imagine that ship has already sailed now. It's a shame in so many ways that now we have owners who know what they are doing, they are sort of hamstrung by shortsighted decisions made by their predecessors. Selling the houses on Skerries Road may have seemed like a good idea years ago, but now it would be a major problem for any potential Sir Kenny Stand expansion to match the Main Stand.

To me, the time to think about securing land behind the Kop is now, before new builds go up there but, as I say, that ship has probably already sailed now and the road won't get re-routed, even if only slightly. I could well be talking garbage of course, as I don't really know enough about it.
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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #766 on: December 23, 2020, 02:00:51 pm »
It may be possible to raise the Kop roof but the low level roof contributes to the atmosphere and the soul of the place. Looking at the Kop from a players perspective on the pitch, it seems to go back and back until it disappears from view, due to the roof design. A higher roof would allow more light, reflect less noise from the crowd and be less intimidating for the opposition.
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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #767 on: December 25, 2020, 01:05:25 am »
It may be possible to raise the Kop roof but the low level roof contributes to the atmosphere and the soul of the place. Looking at the Kop from a players perspective on the pitch, it seems to go back and back until it disappears from view, due to the roof design. A higher roof would allow more light, reflect less noise from the crowd and be less intimidating for the opposition.

Good point.  I think the only way to extend the capacity of the kop would be some version of safe standing at some point in the future.

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« Reply #768 on: January 4, 2021, 10:39:55 am »
Good point.  I think the only way to extend the capacity of the kop would be some version of safe standing at some point in the future.

I don't see the room in the current Kop footprint to safely allow more people to stand. It's already tight in there as it is. Then you have to consider access/exit points and the size of the concourses for safety.

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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #769 on: January 12, 2021, 07:17:49 pm »
Good point.  I think the only way to extend the capacity of the kop would be some version of safe standing at some point in the future.

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« Reply #770 on: February 1, 2021, 11:14:25 pm »
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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #771 on: February 2, 2021, 03:31:03 am »
Yeah I'm hoping our current financial stinginess is down to the fact that we're pressing ahead with this... (obviously Covid has taken it's toll, but surely in a pre-Covid world, we had budgeted for the new Anny Road AND bring able to spend money on signings... now it seems we habve fuck all to spend on signings, I'm hoping its coz we are still intending to press ahead with building this mother ASAP).
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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #772 on: February 2, 2021, 04:10:04 am »
Yeah I'm hoping our current financial stinginess is down to the fact that we're pressing ahead with this... (obviously Covid has taken it's toll, but surely in a pre-Covid world, we had budgeted for the new Anny Road AND bring able to spend money on signings... now it seems we habve fuck all to spend on signings, I'm hoping its coz we are still intending to press ahead with building this mother ASAP).

It’s more likely because we’ve had to cover the fact Anfield has been closed for approaching the best part of a whole season. 

Doesn’t mean we won’t press ahead with this, but doubt it will happen without some input, prob in a similar way to the Main, from the owners. Unless they covered the losses and we’ve still got the bulk of the financial facilities available to us.

Next accounts should throw some light on the matter.

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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #773 on: February 24, 2021, 02:36:27 pm »
Liverpool FC revised plans for Anfield Road under way after club changed 'early ideas'
Club revised plans to permanently close part of Anfield Road after local concerns

Liverpool FC's revised its plans for how roads and footpaths around its expanded Anfield Road stand will work are being put into practice.

The club is planning to expand its stadium's capacity by a further 7,000 seats in the Anfield Road end in a move that would take the total capacity to 61,000.

The plans will involve some major changes around Anfield Road in terms of roads and the public realm in the area - and work is getting under way on implementing them.

Liverpool had initially planned to permanently close a section of Anfield Road, but have now revised this following concerns raised by local residents.

Signs have now gone up to let people know about the work being carried out............. cont.


https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/liverpool-fc-revise-plans-anfield-19903608


Further plans, including those for the stand itself are available on the City Council planning portal:


http://northgate.liverpool.gov.uk/DocumentExplorer/Application/folderview.aspx?type=MVMPRD_DC_PLANAPP&key=1200084

The outside areas are looking good, and a big improvement on the current offering.

The interior of the stand looks good but I understand there may be concern regarding wheelchair spaces in the corner of level 01.

Any thoughts?

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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #774 on: February 25, 2021, 06:54:33 am »
from the first image on the links above (thanks for posting)


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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #775 on: February 27, 2021, 02:58:09 pm »
The costs of this thing have gone through the roof. 

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« Reply #776 on: February 27, 2021, 03:01:28 pm »
The costs of this thing have gone through the roof. 
How much over?
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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #777 on: February 28, 2021, 05:35:22 pm »
How much over?

The price of steel has jumped in 6 months, there was a rise of £50 per tonne in January, its gone from £500 to £700 per tonne since last summer.
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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #778 on: March 5, 2021, 10:18:39 am »
Looks like something is happening in relation to the new stand,

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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #779 on: March 5, 2021, 10:28:20 am »
Checking if we actually built Anfield on top of an Indian burial ground I think - given the run of bad luck we’ve had.

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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #780 on: March 5, 2021, 10:33:38 am »
Checking if we actually built Anfield on top of an Indian burial ground I think - given the run of bad luck we’ve had.

When I lived in Kirkby there was a tale that Tower Hill had been cursed by Gypsies, I wonder if they cursed Northwood and Southdene too? Its all gone to shit since we moved out of Melwood.  :-\
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« Reply #781 on: March 5, 2021, 10:55:37 am »
Checking if we actually built Anfield on top of an Indian burial ground I think - given the run of bad luck we’ve had.
19 league titles and 6 European cups suggests not ;)
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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #782 on: March 5, 2021, 11:44:24 am »
When I lived in Kirkby there was a tale that Tower Hill had been cursed by Gypsies, I wonder if they cursed Northwood and Southdene too? Its all gone to shit since we moved out of Melwood.  :-\
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« Reply #783 on: March 5, 2021, 09:02:43 pm »
19 league titles and 6 European cups suggests not ;)

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« Reply #784 on: March 7, 2021, 04:25:56 am »
brucie needs to get down there

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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #785 on: March 9, 2021, 04:35:54 pm »
from the first image on the links above (thanks for posting)



So an extra 6,895 seats taking us to a total capacity of 60,969. We currently have 9,074 in the Anny Rd End and 54,074 in total if my googling is correct. Numbers shouldn’t be too far out anyway even if they aren’t quite exact.
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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #786 on: March 11, 2021, 08:18:03 am »
So an extra 6,895 seats taking us to a total capacity of 60,969.

When did we re-hire Ian Ayre?

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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #787 on: March 15, 2021, 04:25:18 pm »
brucie needs to get down there

It would certainly be a bonus.
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« Reply #788 on: March 16, 2021, 12:58:40 am »
Such a pity this didn't commence last year as originally planned, work would have been done faster with no fans at the games and it would be ready for the return of supporters next season hopefully,
Still it looks like a fantastic structure.

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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #789 on: March 23, 2021, 08:54:29 pm »
Does anyone have any news on the planning application? I remember reading that a decision would be made by March.

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« Reply #790 on: March 28, 2021, 04:21:30 pm »
Does anyone have any news on the planning application? I remember reading that a decision would be made by March.
Don't know about a decision date, but I think the expiry of the consultation was 1 March.....so, you may be right, it could be imminent. Just hope all the shenanigans at the council don't scupper or delay this.

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« Reply #791 on: April 11, 2021, 01:00:51 pm »
Don't know about a decision date, but I think the expiry of the consultation was 1 March.....so, you may be right, it could be imminent. Just hope all the shenanigans at the council don't scupper or delay this.

I believe genuine issues were raised in relation to the accessible areas, especially with regards to inclusive design. Unless mistaken, there is an area of the stand that seems to effectively segregate and isolate wheelchair users from the rest of the supporters in that stand. That is not acceptable in this day and age, but whether it gets through planning is another matter entirely.

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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #792 on: April 11, 2021, 01:13:42 pm »
I believe genuine issues were raised in relation to the accessible areas, especially with regards to inclusive design. Unless mistaken, there is an area of the stand that seems to effectively segregate and isolate wheelchair users from the rest of the supporters in that stand. That is not acceptable in this day and age, but whether it gets through planning is another matter entirely.

Think a massive issue is they are (rightly) keeping the existing lower tier. So any additional spaces need to work within that. It’s not a complete new build stand where you can design anything from scratch to be perfect.

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« Reply #793 on: April 11, 2021, 03:57:06 pm »
Think a massive issue is they are (rightly) keeping the existing lower tier. So any additional spaces need to work within that. It’s not a complete new build stand where you can design anything from scratch to be perfect.

The contentious bit is in the new part though. That should not be acceptable in 2021. No excuses.

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« Reply #794 on: April 11, 2021, 04:07:32 pm »
The contentious bit is in the new part though. That should not be acceptable in 2021. No excuses.

The new part is sort of hampered by the old part though in that it's likely not as "ideal" as it would be if it was new from the ground up. Kind of like the door into your new bedroom in a new extension not be in an idea place but that's the only place it could go give the layout of the existing house.

I haven't looked at the plans in a while though, so may be thinking of the wrong bit.

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« Reply #795 on: April 11, 2021, 08:17:06 pm »
The new part is sort of hampered by the old part though in that it's likely not as "ideal" as it would be if it was new from the ground up. Kind of like the door into your new bedroom in a new extension not be in an idea place but that's the only place it could go give the layout of the existing house.

I haven't looked at the plans in a while though, so may be thinking of the wrong bit.

The area for wheelchair users on the new first floor with its own, separate entrance and separate facilities. It segregates wheelchair users artificially fro m other supporters and into the corner. It's a very poor stab at inclusive design. There are wheelchair users all over the ground isolated from other supporters and facilities.

There is no excuse. Sad to say, Everton's proposed  :lmao stadium design is light years ahead in terms of accessibility and inclusion.

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« Reply #796 on: April 11, 2021, 08:20:24 pm »
The area for wheelchair users on the new first floor with its own, separate entrance and separate facilities. It segregates wheelchair users artificially fro m other supporters and into the corner. It's a very poor stab at inclusive design. There are wheelchair users all over the ground isolated from other supporters and facilities.

Again, it's a new part being added onto an old part. This isn't one large new stand, there will be compromises.

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Sad to say, Everton's proposed  :lmao stadium design is light years ahead in terms of accessibility and inclusion.

Hardly a shocker when it's brand new from the ground up, is it?

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« Reply #797 on: April 11, 2021, 11:55:14 pm »
Again, it's a new part being added onto an old part. This isn't one large new stand, there will be compromises.

Hardly a shocker when it's brand new from the ground up, is it?

Why do you say there WILL be compromises?
It's a new area of the stand, designed from scratch. Is it pure science fiction  to demand an architect can design an area that includes people who use wheelchairs? It is 2021.
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« Reply #798 on: April 12, 2021, 12:00:22 am »
From what I can see there are two areas. The existing at the front of what is the lower tier now, and a new section which is at the rear of the lower tier now, so what will effectively be in the middle of the stand.

What is it exactly that’s wrong with that?

And compromises will happen because we’re keeping the existing lower tier. This is so it can stay closer to the pitch, as well as a number of other (financial and design) reasons. It’s not a demolish and build as we want, it’s a keep and add on.

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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #799 on: April 14, 2021, 07:59:28 am »
Why do you say there WILL be compromises?
It's a new area of the stand, designed from scratch. Is it pure science fiction  to demand an architect can design an area that includes people who use wheelchairs? It is 2021.
It is a question of philosophy, not bricks and mortar.

I am saying this from a position of ignorance and a genuine desire to be educated.

But what is the correct philosophy in this circumstance and how do you apply it architectually? Is the issue that there should not be a seperate wheelchair area, but that they should be able to use the whole front row in an unsegregated fashion?