Topic: Man City - cheating bastards rumbled

[Nobby Reserve]

If you have a problem with the 'values and behaviour' of despotic regimes in the Gulf, I understand and agree. If you think 'values and behaviour' are difficult for Arabs, or indeed for Arabs who become rich, then that is racist. You are better than that post, I encourage you to retract or edit it.

That's all I have to say on the topic.

He did say 'them rich Arabs'

Thing is, most Arabs over there who are rich have tended to become so became of their links to the corrupt, kleptocratic dictatorships that use the countries over their as private fiefdoms.

[rscanderlech]

He did say 'them rich Arabs'

Thing is, most Arabs over there who are rich have tended to become so became of their links to the corrupt, kleptocratic dictatorships that use the countries over their as private fiefdoms.

I thought someone would say this: It depends on the country, actually, and is not entirely true even in the Gulf. 'Them UAE regime/Gulf kleptocrats' etc. would more accurate and not racist.
- Also, 'them rich Arabs' doesn't really change anything. It's referring to the fact that they are Arab.

Anyway, this is a football thread so I don't want to go on about it.

[Lone Star Red]

The managerial debate is an interesting one.

A name not mentioned who I think would get them fighting and pressing again - Ralph Hassenhuttl. You may laugh given his mediocre record at Southampton, but he's shown grit, got buy-in from the players and turned around a side that looked destined for the drop. He coaches physical, technically sound football with an emphasis on winning the ball back in pressured-turn overs, much like Liverpool in a way. There's a lot of coaches from the 'Bielsa school' at the moment and Guardiola's influence is also starting to show on coaches, but Hassenhuttl is from the Klopp school - despite only being months younger - and seems to have taken a lot from what our boss has done in his past.

Depending on what he does in the next few years, I wouldn't be against him being mentioned as a potential Klopp successor, though Nagelsmann would be my pick and for that reason I don't want to see him at City because I could see him really revitalising them.

Pochettino or Nagelsmann would be the best hires they could currently make, I'd argue. Be hilarious if Arteta jumped ship at Arsenal for the post.

I’m a big fan of Hassenhuttl. A shame the Saints hierarchy hasn’t backed him in the transfer market considering it’s a squad of mainly incredibly mediocre players and Danny Ings.

Eventually he’ll get fed up with it and move to a bigger club with more ambition and I hope it’s not Man City.

[PeterTheRed ...]

Porto, Marseille and Olympiacos? Tricky opponents ...

[mattD]

The managerial debate is an interesting one.

A name not mentioned who I think would get them fighting and pressing again - Ralph Hassenhuttl. You may laugh given his mediocre record at Southampton, but he's shown grit, got buy-in from the players and turned around a side that looked destined for the drop. He coaches physical, technically sound football with an emphasis on winning the ball back in pressured-turn overs, much like Liverpool in a way. There's a lot of coaches from the 'Bielsa school' at the moment and Guardiola's influence is also starting to show on coaches, but Hassenhuttl is from the Klopp school - despite only being months younger - and seems to have taken a lot from what our boss has done in his past.

Depending on what he does in the next few years, I wouldn't be against him being mentioned as a potential Klopp successor, though Nagelsmann would be my pick and for that reason I don't want to see him at City because I could see him really revitalising them.

Pochettino or Nagelsmann would be the best hires they could currently make, I'd argue. Be hilarious if Arteta jumped ship at Arsenal for the post.

He'd just show himself up as the unprincipled spineless money grabber typical of a City boss, particularly given the fact he has history and heritage with Arsenal. But no doubt that he would be one of the better options I feel.

[Schmidt]

Bayern approached Hasenhüttl a couple years go, but he turned them down, because he felt it was too big a step.

Be interesting to see where he goes next. I’d love it if he went to Dortmund. But maybe now that he’s already in the prem, he’ll want to stay in the prem. If he does well this season, a club like spurs should be all over him.

Dortmund really does seem like a good fit. Spurs are in a weird spot now, Mourinho doesn't seem to be improving them but there doesn't seem to be any pressure to reclaim that top four spot even though the competition for it is quite dire. Can see Hassenhutl being a good fit there.

City I have no idea though, can see them just going for a big name post-Guardiola or trying to get someone with a similar style and connections.

[William Regal]

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This has gone way beyond negotiating good deals, something is just not adding up! Top quality players have been sold for similar prices this window - Semedo, Alcantara, Dest etc. there is no way, absolutely no way that Brewster would be valued at 23m, there's something diabolical going on here and since we are now in the footballing cold war / espionage era (certain clubs having de spigel do the dirty on us, hacking our transfer system, having hackers look through our sponsorship, external influence on the CAS, hateful eight having clandestine meetings to sabotage us) I think its time we get into the mud ourselves and fight back. We have the capacity and network to shake up some trees and then see what falls. These transfers need to be looked into. No way clubs keep paying silly money for the likes of Solanke, Brewster while they keep "striking gold" by paying paltry amounts for reputable players. Lots of under the table movements here and it needs to be looked into and exposed........not by us of course!
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[Lycan]

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i♥city
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#1,697

This has gone way beyond negotiating good deals, something is just not adding up! Top quality players have been sold for similar prices this window - Semedo, Alcantara, Dest etc. there is no way, absolutely no way that Brewster would be valued at 23m, there's something diabolical going on here and since we are now in the footballing cold war / espionage era (certain clubs having de spigel do the dirty on us, hacking our transfer system, having hackers look through our sponsorship, external influence on the CAS, hateful eight having clandestine meetings to sabotage us) I think its time we get into the mud ourselves and fight back. We have the capacity and network to shake up some trees and then see what falls. These transfers need to be looked into. No way clubs keep paying silly money for the likes of Solanke, Brewster while they keep "striking gold" by paying paltry amounts for reputable players. Lots of under the table movements here and it needs to be looked into and exposed........not by us of course!
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[Indomitable_Carp]

It's only a matter of time now before they unleash Operation Shitstorm. We are in for a world of trouble.

[Andy82lfc]

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i♥city
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#1,697

This has gone way beyond negotiating good deals, something is just not adding up! Top quality players have been sold for similar prices this window - Semedo, Alcantara, Dest etc. there is no way, absolutely no way that Brewster would be valued at 23m, there's something diabolical going on here and since we are now in the footballing cold war / espionage era (certain clubs having de spigel do the dirty on us, hacking our transfer system, having hackers look through our sponsorship, external influence on the CAS, hateful eight having clandestine meetings to sabotage us) I think its time we get into the mud ourselves and fight back. We have the capacity and network to shake up some trees and then see what falls. These transfers need to be looked into. No way clubs keep paying silly money for the likes of Solanke, Brewster while they keep "striking gold" by paying paltry amounts for reputable players. Lots of under the table movements here and it needs to be looked into and exposed........not by us of course!
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‘We are in the espionage era’
‘It’s time we got into the mud ourselves’
 

[Bucko - Dubai]

‘We are in the espionage era’
‘It’s time we got into the mud ourselves’
 

So now Sheff Utd and Bournemouth have colluded with us by overpaying for our players, to help us overcome City?

Fair play to City for even willing to participate, especially when we have the following in our favour

- All referees favouring us in every game, including giving more penalties and ignoring handballs
- Referees previously being biased towards us, and that once VAR is introduced we will finally be found out
- VAR being introduced to further help us and to fix games, as well I think to assist Asian betting (so I've heard)
- Opposing players being given 'brown envelopes' to make mistakes against us (Re D Henderson last season)
- All of 'Pigmol', UEFA, FIFA, CAS, 8 premier league clubs trying to punish City
- The likes of Mane being able to assault opposition players by punching them and getting away with it
- All of the media having an agenda to show us in a positive light and City in a negative one
- All pundits favouring Liverpool and ignoring any contentious incidents
- Opposition clubs overpaying us for our players to help us overcome City

If all this was happening against us, I'm not sure I could watch another game knowing literally every person associated with world football is doing everything they can to make sure we lose. But fair play to City as a club for carrying on regardless with their ethical practices hoping to overcome the evil footballing powers

[Jshooters]

It's only a matter of time now before they unleash Operation Shitstorm. We are in for a world of trouble.

Any time now...aaaaany time now....

[Romford_Red]

Any time now...aaaaany time now....

[William Regal]

So now Sheff Utd and Bournemouth have colluded with us by overpaying for our players, to help us overcome City?

Fair play to City for even willing to participate, especially when we have the following in our favour

- All referees favouring us in every game, including giving more penalties and ignoring handballs
- Referees previously being biased towards us, and that once VAR is introduced we will finally be found out
- VAR being introduced to further help us and to fix games, as well I think to assist Asian betting (so I've heard)
- Opposing players being given 'brown envelopes' to make mistakes against us (Re D Henderson last season)
- All of 'Pigmol', UEFA, FIFA, CAS, 8 premier league clubs trying to punish City
- The likes of Mane being able to assault opposition players by punching them and getting away with it
- All of the media having an agenda to show us in a positive light and City in a negative one
- All pundits favouring Liverpool and ignoring any contentious incidents
- Opposition clubs overpaying us for our players to help us overcome City

If all this was happening against us, I'm not sure I could watch another game knowing literally every person associated with world football is doing everything they can to make sure we lose. But fair play to City as a club for carrying on regardless with their ethical practices hoping to overcome the evil footballing powers

Ahh you missed one of their biggest conspiracies that all our players take performance enhancing drugs and the FA knowingly allow it 

[RJH]

Ahh you missed one of their biggest conspiracies that all our players take performance enhancing drugs and the FA knowingly allow it 

It's a well known fact that Liverpool players are all off their heads on triple espressos and inhalers.

[Jm55]

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i♥city
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#1,697

This has gone way beyond negotiating good deals, something is just not adding up! Top quality players have been sold for similar prices this window - Semedo, Alcantara, Dest etc. there is no way, absolutely no way that Brewster would be valued at 23m, there's something diabolical going on here and since we are now in the footballing cold war / espionage era (certain clubs having de spigel do the dirty on us, hacking our transfer system, having hackers look through our sponsorship, external influence on the CAS, hateful eight having clandestine meetings to sabotage us) I think its time we get into the mud ourselves and fight back. We have the capacity and network to shake up some trees and then see what falls. These transfers need to be looked into. No way clubs keep paying silly money for the likes of Solanke, Brewster while they keep "striking gold" by paying paltry amounts for reputable players. Lots of under the table movements here and it needs to be looked into and exposed........not by us of course!
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Ollie Watkins went for 28 million a month ago...

[Drinks Sangria]

Ollie Watkins went for 28 million a month ago...

They themselves have just paid £65m for a third-tier centre half who's not even the best defender at his old club, who play in a second-rate league.

[redgriffin73]

Have they even noticed some of the money that changes hands with their club involved?

[kasperoff]

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i♥city
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#1,697

This has gone way beyond negotiating good deals, something is just not adding up! Top quality players have been sold for similar prices this window - Semedo, Alcantara, Dest etc. there is no way, absolutely no way that Brewster would be valued at 23m, there's something diabolical going on here and since we are now in the footballing cold war / espionage era (certain clubs having de spigel do the dirty on us, hacking our transfer system, having hackers look through our sponsorship, external influence on the CAS, hateful eight having clandestine meetings to sabotage us) I think its time we get into the mud ourselves and fight back. We have the capacity and network to shake up some trees and then see what falls. These transfers need to be looked into. No way clubs keep paying silly money for the likes of Solanke, Brewster while they keep "striking gold" by paying paltry amounts for reputable players. Lots of under the table movements here and it needs to be looked into and exposed........not by us of course!
Like Reactions:Don Karleone and MaineDAWG2008

Nope, this is what happens when you actually have to care about money and can't throw it around like a drunken sailor. You negotiate good deals because you have to. FSG's whole ownership model has been based on being very careful with money and doing an excellent job with scouting. Love that this is triggering them.

[ScouserAtHeart]

It's the classic "we're cheating, so everyone else must be cheating as well"

[JRed]

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i♥city
Joined15 May 2012
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#1,697

This has gone way beyond negotiating good deals, something is just not adding up! Top quality players have been sold for similar prices this window - Semedo, Alcantara, Dest etc. there is no way, absolutely no way that Brewster would be valued at 23m, there's something diabolical going on here and since we are now in the footballing cold war / espionage era (certain clubs having de spigel do the dirty on us, hacking our transfer system, having hackers look through our sponsorship, external influence on the CAS, hateful eight having clandestine meetings to sabotage us) I think its time we get into the mud ourselves and fight back. We have the capacity and network to shake up some trees and then see what falls. These transfers need to be looked into. No way clubs keep paying silly money for the likes of Solanke, Brewster while they keep "striking gold" by paying paltry amounts for reputable players. Lots of under the table movements here and it needs to be looked into and exposed........not by us of course!
Like Reactions:Don Karleone and MaineDAWG2008

So they pay £65M for a poor CB than none of them had heard of prior to the Sheikh dipping into the state funds again. Yet they can’t handle one of the most promising strikers around going for a little over £20M.

There is no hope for them. 

[Romford_Red]

I love some of their criticisms too.

Playing weakened teams in the cups shows us up as a team not capable of challenging on all fronts. Or it shows that we know our limitations and play to them, which is smart.
Players are not good, just 'System' players. Maybe buying players to fit your system is a good idea?

[blert596]

Any time now...aaaaany time now....

Ang on, ang on, ang on

[Medellin]

Nice bit of casual racism.

Some racism I don't understand, I'm not insinuating you are wrong.
If anyone could explain I'd much appreciate it.
Rich Arab, Rich Texan/Yank, Rich Scot, Rich Spaniard..I can't see the insult & is there a difference? 

[Romford_Red]

Some racism I don't understand, I'm not insinuating you are wrong.
If anyone could explain I'd much appreciate it.
Rich Arab, Rich Texan/Yank, Rich Scot, Rich Spaniard..I can't see the insult & is there a difference? 

For me, racism is about context and the way things are said.

People here generally don't like their owners. They are accused (rightly or wrongly) of being murderous people. To use the blanket term 'Arabs' in this context, smears the whole Arab world with the same thing. Basically to say that here is to insinuate that all Arabs are bad.

In another arena, including 'Arab' like that could be considered only descriptive. Like if I call someone a black bastard, it depends where my emphasis and venom are placed. However if I said the same thing at a BLM march, it would be racist by context.

[RedSince86]

Cant wait for the Operation Shit storm movie jointly directed by PrestwichBlue and Karen7 and produced by Rabin.

It's going to make Oliver Stone's JFK look like a made for tv movie.

[Medellin]

For me, racism is about context and the way things are said.

People here generally don't like their owners. They are accused (rightly or wrongly) of being murderous people. To use the blanket term 'Arabs' in this context, smears the whole Arab world with the same thing. Basically to say that here is to insinuate that all Arabs are bad.

In another arena, including 'Arab' like that could be considered only descriptive. Like if I call someone a black bastard, it depends where my emphasis and venom are placed. However if I said the same thing at a BLM march, it would be racist by context.

'Them rich arabs' doesn't seem a smear to me, would that be racist too if someone was to say that about our owners 'them rich yanks'?

[Romford_Red]

'Them rich arabs' doesn't seem a smear to me, would that be racist too if someone was to say that about our owners 'them rich yanks'?

I've tried to explain how context matters. I'll try once more.

If you're having a random conversation and someone says "we could do with knowing a rich arab", it's not derogatory, but it is stereotypical which can also be viewed badly. Overall though, you're probably okay.

In a conversation that involves despising rich Arabs and their abuse of people and the system (like this thread) it is racist because you're being derogatory to an entire nation(?) by association.

[Skeeve]

I love some of their criticisms too.

Playing weakened teams in the cups shows us up as a team not capable of challenging on all fronts. Or it shows that we know our limitations and play to them, which is smart.
Players are not good, just 'System' players. Maybe buying players to fit your system is a good idea?

On the first point, maybe it also is why our fringe players are worth something when sold, since we try and introduce them into actual games and not simply try and run up the score by playing our first team against league two clubs. 

[Medellin]

I've tried to explain how context matters. I'll try once more.

If you're having a random conversation and someone says "we could do with knowing a rich arab", it's not derogatory, but it is stereotypical which can also be viewed badly. Overall though, you're probably okay.

In a conversation that involves despising rich Arabs and their abuse of people and the system (like this thread) it is racist because you're being derogatory to an entire nation(?) by association.

Thanks for that, makes it a lot clearer..it's something I may have done innocently without understanding.

[Romford_Red]

Thanks for that, makes it a lot clearer..it's something I may have done innocently without understanding.

We all have

[Son of Spion]

Nope, this is what happens when you actually have to care about money and can't throw it around like a drunken sailor. You negotiate good deals because you have to. FSG's whole ownership model has been based on being very careful with money and doing an excellent job with scouting. Love that this is triggering them.

It's hilarious and also quite telling that good scouting, good management and good negotiating skills upsets them so much.

Being able to throw around billions they haven't actually had to earn beforehand seems to have blinded them to what a well run, efficient football club living within its means actually looks like.

What is really getting up their noses is the fact they know they are a cheating sports-washing exercise, yet they still got beat. They simply cannot get their heads around anyone else getting the better of them in any way and by doing it clean. Because they know full well they are cheating the sport, they firmly believe anyone beating them is cheating too. It simply baffles them that we are are doing it legitimately, hence their ridiculous conspiraceh theories.

[Medellin]

They keep crying about their coach being attacked..

<a href="https://youtube.com/v/i6CILrBu4cY" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://youtube.com/v/i6CILrBu4cY</a>

[FiSh77]

They keep crying about their coach being attacked..

<a href="https://youtube.com/v/i6CILrBu4cY" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://youtube.com/v/i6CILrBu4cY</a>

Good turnout for a city coach welcoming that

[jillcwhomever]

They keep crying about their coach being attacked..

<a href="https://youtube.com/v/i6CILrBu4cY" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://youtube.com/v/i6CILrBu4cY</a>

They are not still crying about that are they? 

[JRed]

They are not still crying about that are they? 

Of course they are. That’s what they do. Whinge about everything.

[Slippers]

'The Athletic has been told that City’s last training session before their visit to Elland Road was a double session — the first time Guardiola has done that in four years as City’s manager.'

It's getting serious now. He's trying to find ways to fix this.

Yes,sounds like he means business.

[CHOPPER]

Football focus now - Christ this is undoubtedly the, ugliest set of fans ever. Fucking hell.


They're prime Nazi propaganda fodder.

[Gaz75]

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i♥city
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#1,697

This has gone way beyond negotiating good deals, something is just not adding up! Top quality players have been sold for similar prices this window - Semedo, Alcantara, Dest etc. there is no way, absolutely no way that Brewster would be valued at 23m, there's something diabolical going on here and since we are now in the footballing cold war / espionage era (certain clubs having de spigel do the dirty on us, hacking our transfer system, having hackers look through our sponsorship, external influence on the CAS, hateful eight having clandestine meetings to sabotage us) I think its time we get into the mud ourselves and fight back. We have the capacity and network to shake up some trees and then see what falls. These transfers need to be looked into. No way clubs keep paying silly money for the likes of Solanke, Brewster while they keep "striking gold" by paying paltry amounts for reputable players. Lots of under the table movements here and it needs to be looked into and exposed........not by us of course!
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holy shit, if the person who wrote that actually believes what they wrote there is some serious issues there 😂

[mikeb58]

If they've got a problem, same old solution...chuck a load of dirty money at it. No craft, no guile, no forward planning, no imagination.

Any decent fans, perhaps from a long gone era must realise that's not how a footy club is run or should be allowed to run.

They must look at us and deep down be jealous as fuck!