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Cisse alone up front
« on: October 6, 2005, 12:02:31 AM »
With Hennry and Trezeguet both injured Cisse could be the only solution up front for France manager in the most important game of the qualifications. So what do you all think about that?

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Re: Cisse alone up front
« Reply #1 on: October 6, 2005, 12:08:24 AM »
Hopefully Rafa is watching, and hopefully Cisse nets a few goals for his native Frenchmen
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Re: Cisse alone up front
« Reply #2 on: October 6, 2005, 12:08:54 AM »
It's the formation he prefers (he begged Guy Roux to revert to a lone striker after a period in a 4-3-3) and I think it's a damn shame Rafa hasn't tried him in that position.
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Re: Cisse alone up front
« Reply #3 on: October 6, 2005, 12:21:54 AM »
L'Equipe reckons it might be two of Wiltord, Cisse and Luyindula. The French have fantastic striking options.
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Re: Cisse alone up front
« Reply #4 on: October 6, 2005, 12:34:01 AM »
hope he gets in the goals but even if he does rafa still wont pick him for some reason.
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Re: Cisse alone up front
« Reply #5 on: October 6, 2005, 12:35:24 AM »
L'Equipe reckons it might be two of Wiltord, Cisse and Luyindula. The French have fantastic striking options.

Potentially, so did we until Baros was sold!
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Re: Cisse alone up front
« Reply #6 on: October 6, 2005, 05:29:53 AM »
Contradicting your own avatar there!

Potentially we had good striking options untill baros was sold
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Re: Cisse alone up front
« Reply #7 on: October 6, 2005, 08:56:26 AM »
Contradicting your own avatar there!

Potentially we had good striking options untill baros was sold
and under the Avatar (a pic of Morientes) it says He'll come good?

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Re: Cisse alone up front
« Reply #8 on: October 6, 2005, 08:56:42 AM »
Contradicting your own avatar there!

Potentially we had good striking options untill baros was sold
and under the Avatar (a pic of Morientes) it says He'll come good?

Maybe he had other things in mind

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Re: Cisse alone up front
« Reply #9 on: October 6, 2005, 09:12:00 AM »
With Hennry and Trezeguet both injured Cisse could be the only solution up front for France
It makes more sense than England playing with Crouch up front.
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Re: Cisse alone up front
« Reply #10 on: October 6, 2005, 10:06:42 AM »
It makes more sense than England playing with Crouch up front.

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Re: Cisse alone up front
« Reply #11 on: October 6, 2005, 10:19:15 AM »
Was thinking the same when Trez was injured. I hope Cisse doea well and get Rafa thinking. It is possible that Rafa actually rates Cisse but was forced to use other options due to the type of games. The next 3 games are ideal to give Cisse a place up front, and it could kick start his PL season if he got us the wins.
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Re: Cisse alone up front
« Reply #12 on: October 6, 2005, 10:29:57 AM »
Rafa can't possibly base his team selection on international performances.  If he did, then Stevie would surely have been dropped by now!
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Re: Cisse alone up front
« Reply #13 on: October 6, 2005, 10:30:08 AM »
If being the second top scorer at a club struggling to get goals doesn't get him a game, scroing for France certainly won't.

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« Reply #14 on: October 6, 2005, 11:14:36 AM »
I feel for the lad, what has he got to do to get a run in the team?
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Re: Cisse alone up front
« Reply #15 on: October 6, 2005, 11:33:52 AM »
Cisee started about 10 games last season upfront on his own, and was pretty woefull. Especially at trying to hold up the ball and bring other into play.

Morientez is the only one who has done this well.

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Re: Cisse alone up front
« Reply #16 on: October 6, 2005, 11:36:44 AM »
Cant see him being alone.
I think Wiltord will play tucked in behind him.
I'm waiting for Cisse and Pongo to be given a chance for us, even if only in the Cup comps
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Re: Cisse alone up front
« Reply #17 on: October 6, 2005, 11:38:05 AM »
Cisee started about 10 games last season upfront on his own, and was pretty woefull. Especially at trying to hold up the ball and bring other into play.

Morientez is the only one who has done this well.

News to me that one mate!

If Cisse starts upfront alone he needs supporting attacking midfielders, or he needs the midfielders to bring the ball forward and provide him with a chance. Crouch seems more effective because he can win the ball due to his height and pass it to a midfielder, it goes nowhere from there though. Cisse seems less effective because he sits further up field, he wants the midfield to have the responsibility of bringing the ball forward which in my opinion is fair enough. Cant expect a striker to be the link man and the goal scorer, Crouch chooses to link and Cisse chooses to get in goal scoring positions.
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Re: Cisse alone up front
« Reply #18 on: October 6, 2005, 11:39:28 AM »
This is from FrenchFootball (affialated to FootballItalia) ...

Analysis: Cissé to prove Rafa wrong by Matt Spiro...

Djibril Cissé will be desperate to show Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez just what he has been missing when he spearheads the France attack in the forthcoming World Cup qualifiers against Switzerland and Cyprus.

The former Auxerre striker has tried hard to hide his disappointment at Benitez’s peculiar selection policy this season.

His obvious affection for Liverpool and his determination to succeed in the Premiership had, until this week, prevented him from speaking out.

But there is only so much bench-warming that Cissé is prepared to do and he has made that perfectly clear in an interview with France Football Magazine. Now he must back those words up by firing Les Bleus into the World Cup finals in the absence of the injured David Trezeguet and Thierry Henry.

Liverpool fans and many neutrals will hope the Frenchman succeeds after having his patience stretched to the limits by Benitez this season.

The first signs that Benitez lacked confidence in Cissé surfaced in August when reports emerged that Liverpool were looking to offload him to finance a move for Michael Owen. While the France international waited anxiously for his club to quash the speculation, Benitez’s silence spoke volumes.

This season the Spaniard has experimented with a host of lineups and formations, though playing Cissé in the centre forward position does not seem to have entered his mind.

Watching the cumbersome Peter Crouch lead the Liverpool line every Saturday must be as hard for Cissé as it is for the Anfield faithful, but it is the occasional inclusion of fellow Frenchman and relative novice Florent Sinama-Pongolle ahead of him that will have hurt Cissé’s pride the most.

After seeing his first season in England ruined by a double leg fracture, Cissé showed fantastic resilience and courage to come back and he began the current campaign full of optimism. Four Cissé goals helped Liverpool qualify for the Champions' League group stage, while a quick-fire brace accounted for CSKA Moscow in the Super Cup final.

Cissé was not back to his devastating best, but he showed that his two principal qualities - electric pace and ferocious shooting - had not deserted him.

What the 24-year-old really needed now was the confidence of his manager and an extended run in the first-team. Benitez had other ideas.

Like so many Premiership managers these days, he seems intent on creating a team that will not concede goals, rather than one that will score them. His current insistence on the 4-5-1 - even at home - is bad news for Cissé and a shame for the Premiership.

Crouch’s qualities as a target man make him the obvious choice to play as the lone striker, even if that might change when Fernando Morientes returns. Cissé, meanwhile, will be given the occasional start on the wing or 10 minutes up front at the end of the game.

The result so far: four goals in six games, 13th place in the table.

Liverpool’s recent matches against Chelsea provided perfect illustrations of why Benitez must change his philosophy.

In the Champions’ League Cissé started on the wing - a position he showed he is not suited to by consistently running down blind alleys and distributing passes that were so wayward not even Crouch and his telescopic legs could get anywhere near them.

Benitez then spent the following days telling the media that he “knows how to beat Chelsea” and that “they are afraid of Liverpool”.

Fighting talk, but those arriving at Anfield last Sunday hoping to see a three-pronged attack with Steve Gerrard and Luis Garcia providing support were disappointed. Again Benitez chose a 4-5-1, this time with Cissé on the bench as John Arne Riise joined Dietmar Hamann, Gerrard, Xabi Alonso and Garcia in an already-crowded midfield.

Liverpool’s attempts to outwit Europe's meanest defence with long balls drilled towards Crouch predictably failed.

It made for painful viewing, though Benitez bizarrely waited until the 82nd minute, when his side were 3-1 down, before introducing his one penetrating forward. Chelsea scored a fourth before Cissé had touched the ball and the hopelessness of the situation hit home.

Benitez’s record suggests he is an intelligent man, but encouraging such negative football when he has so many talented strikers at his disposal is unacceptable. Cissé may have been Gérard Houllier’s signing, but his ability is recognised by Coaches throughout Europe and he deserves to be given a real chance at Liverpool.

Having scored twice in his last start for France, Cissé will be hoping that his international career is at last starting to take off. Whether the same could happen to his Liverpool career depends on Benitez.
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Re: Cisse alone up front
« Reply #19 on: October 6, 2005, 11:39:32 AM »
Cisee started about 10 games last season upfront on his own, and was pretty woefull. Especially at trying to hold up the ball and bring other into play.

Morientez is the only one who has done this well.

Have you been watching a different Liverpool? Morientes was terrible up top on his own last season, and although I believe he will come good, to say he played well last season isn't just rose tinted specs, it's borrowing Stevie Wonder's.

Cisse playerd up top alone about 3 times last season, once in the 2nd half of the Arsenal game at Highbury after Baros had had a nightmare, and I thought he looked very good there; dropping deep, giving the midfield an option, laying it off, then turning and running at goal for the return. He held the ball up well if I remember, making it hard to win off of him, and then giving simple balls to the advancing Gerrard inparticular. I hoped to see more of it, and with Gerrard's ability to pass in the final third, I hoped to see Cisse's little spin offs turning into opportunities, but unfortunately that game Gerrard couldn't quite find his range, but with a bit of a run in  the team, Cisse looked bound to get chances and get goals - something that seems to be troubling us presently.
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Re: Cisse alone up front
« Reply #20 on: October 6, 2005, 11:47:08 AM »
Cisee always does well in the 2nd halfs coming on as a substitute against a tiring defense.

But when he was played upfront with Crouch against Tottenham he hardly contributed anything other than a shot at goal. It's a bit harsh though to get rid of that partnership after one game.

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« Reply #21 on: October 6, 2005, 11:50:01 AM »
Cisee always does well in the 2nd halfs coming on as a substitute against a tiring defense.

But when he was played upfront with Crouch against Tottenham he hardly contributed anything other than a shot at goal. It's a bit harsh though to get rid of that partnership after one game.

He didn't score or play well in one game?

Get rid of the lad.
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Re: Cisse alone up front
« Reply #22 on: October 6, 2005, 11:53:08 AM »
Cisee started about 10 games last season upfront on his own, and was pretty woefull. Especially at trying to hold up the ball and bring other into play.

Morientez is the only one who has done this well.
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« Reply #23 on: October 6, 2005, 12:06:06 PM »
Yeah i have Ron.

Raffa seems to agree too. In the formation we play, it's imperative Cisee holds the ball up. But he can't. He panicks, and uses the only trick he knows; kick the ball past the defender and use his pace.

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« Reply #24 on: October 6, 2005, 12:09:40 PM »
Yeah i have Ron.

Raffa seems to agree too. In the formation we play, it's imperative Cisee holds the ball up. But he can't. He panicks, and uses the only trick he knows; kick the ball past the defender and use his pace.

Dont think it was the bit about Cisse.

More the part about Mori doing something well when Mori has been fucking woeful and the only player to look a success playing up front alone is clearly Crouch.

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« Reply #25 on: October 6, 2005, 12:10:46 PM »
Yeah i have Ron.

Raffa seems to agree too. In the formation we play, it's imperative Cisee holds the ball up. But he can't. He panicks, and uses the only trick he knows; kick the ball past the defender and use his pace.

Sorry, I think people lost the reason to value your opinion after you said Morientes was our best lone striker last season. I thought Baros was very over-rated but even he made Morientes look useless as a lone striker. It's pretty much agreed throughout the board that Morientes failed last season, but has the ability to make something of himself in England.

I guess Cisse's 70+ goals in 3 seasons as a lone striker means nothing then - I mean, he played poorly against Spurs, the lad is worthless.
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Re: Cisse alone up front
« Reply #26 on: October 6, 2005, 12:24:21 PM »
Sorry, I think people lost the reason to value your opinion after you said Morientes was our best lone striker last season.

I guess Cisse's 70+ goals in 3 seasons as a lone striker means nothing then - I mean, he played poorly against Spurs, the lad is worthless.

I never said Morri was our best striker last season. I'm saying this season, he has played well in the lone front striker role. It's obvious in this system whoever Raffa plays he isn't going to score alot of goals.

And are you really using Cisses goal in a weak french league to say he is quality? Even Kezman scored 60 goals in 2 years in a better Dutch league.

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« Reply #27 on: October 6, 2005, 12:27:18 PM »
Cisse needs to stop moaning and take the chance when he gets it.  For gods sake, he is paid well and is wearing the mighty reds colours. 

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« Reply #28 on: October 6, 2005, 12:29:22 PM »
Cisse needs to stop moaning and take the chance when he gets it.  For gods sake, he is paid well and is wearing the mighty reds colours. 

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Think it is highly unfair to accuse him of moaning. Take his chance? SuperCup.

If that aint good enough, then fuck ya, is what I say and will wish Djibs all the best if he decides to leave in Jan or if Rafa decides to sell.

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« Reply #29 on: October 6, 2005, 12:30:15 PM »
I never said Morri was our best striker last season. I'm saying this season, he has played well in the lone front striker role.

Really? I remember one knock down for Gerrard against Boro and fuck all else to be honest.

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« Reply #30 on: October 6, 2005, 12:30:15 PM »
With Hennry and Trezeguet both injured Cisse could be the only solution up front for France manager in the most important game of the qualifications. So what do you all think about that?

I except Cisse to play, yes - but it's not like him Henry, and Trezeguet are the only good strikers from France.

It might be Cisse with Wiltord.
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« Reply #31 on: October 6, 2005, 12:31:48 PM »
If being the second top scorer at a club struggling to get goals doesn't get him a game, scroing for France certainly won't.

Well, maybe if he scores a hat-trick it could influence Rafa. You've gotta play your strikers who have lotsa confidence.
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« Reply #32 on: October 6, 2005, 12:39:43 PM »
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CLAIREFONTAINE, France (Reuters) - French striker Djibril Cisse is planning to leave Liverpool in January if coach Rafael Benitez continues to keep him on the substitutes' bench.

"If my situation remains the same by December I'll make my move and I'll go," Cisse told a news conference at France's training camp outside Paris on Thursday.

"Being on the bench annoys me. I'm know it's selfish but I have to think about my own career. There's a World Cup which is coming and I want to be part of it," he said.

Cisse scored twice to help Liverpool win the European Super Cup against CSKA Moscow in August but has been relegated to the bench since.


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Re: Cisse alone up front
« Reply #33 on: October 6, 2005, 12:41:37 PM »
Well, he had bitten his tongue longer than I would have been able to.

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« Reply #34 on: October 6, 2005, 01:00:02 PM »
I never said Morri was our best striker last season. I'm saying this season, he has played well in the lone front striker role. It's obvious in this system whoever Raffa plays he isn't going to score alot of goals.

And are you really using Cisses goal in a weak french league to say he is quality? Even Kezman scored 60 goals in 2 years in a better Dutch league.

Yes I am using the French league, as I have nothing else to refer to because he isn't getting a game here, despite showing promise in pre-season friendlies. How can we tell he is good enough to step up another level if Rafa won't give him the chance despite showing glimpses of talent when he plays pre-season. You can't call Cisse a poor player, because all he has ever done he has done well, and it's not his fault he isn't being given the oppurtunity to further his career and prove he can go further.

And what has Morientes done this season? Been slightly better than last? Give him player of the year.
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« Reply #35 on: October 6, 2005, 01:37:36 PM »
Well, he had bitten his tongue longer than I would have been able to.

Yes he has, but I don't think it is very smart to say things like these. I don't think Rafa will be too impressed with Cissé threatening he might leave in January. In fact, I think it might even convince the gaffer more than ever that Cissé should not be in the team. It happened to Owen, Murphy and Baros and it might happen to Cissé.
I can fully understand the lad, but I think, what I know from Rafa through the media, that he doesn't like players who complain to the public and threaten to leave. So it would clearly have been better for Cissé to keep quiet and work hard in training, so he could take his chance when he gets to play. I would be very sorry if he left in January, but I also think that statements like these don't help him to improve his situation in Liverpool...

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« Reply #36 on: October 6, 2005, 02:03:17 PM »
Yes he has, but I don't think it is very smart to say things like these. I don't think Rafa will be too impressed with Cissé threatening he might leave in January. In fact, I think it might even convince the gaffer more than ever that Cissé should not be in the team. It happened to Owen, Murphy and Baros and it might happen to Cissé.
I can fully understand the lad, but I think, what I know from Rafa through the media, that he doesn't like players who complain to the public and threaten to leave. So it would clearly have been better for Cissé to keep quiet and work hard in training, so he could take his chance when he gets to play. I would be very sorry if he left in January, but I also think that statements like these don't help him to improve his situation in Liverpool...

Yep, but for all we know Rafa could have told him he is leaving in January for Marseille with a deal already done and Cisse is trying to save some face.

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Re: Cisse alone up front
« Reply #37 on: October 6, 2005, 02:44:24 PM »
This Cisse thing really is baffling me.

We know the kid can score goals , Rafa knows it ... tickle me twice and call me tracy but doesnt the whole fucking world know that Cisse can score goals?

Having managed so poorly infront of goal this season (Ok it's only 6 games but work with me here) surely he can't do any worse than Flo or Crouch?

Summat aint right here thats for sure, keeping Cisse on the bench like this is akin to going to bed with Angelina Jolie (sorry ladies except Saph) to read the National Geographic.

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« Reply #38 on: October 6, 2005, 02:46:47 PM »
Yep, but for all we know Rafa could have told him he is leaving in January for Marseille with a deal already done and Cisse is trying to save some face.

just can't see, if he does leave or if it's agreed for him to leave, what our attacking options will be.

stevie's sale would have made the funds to make a team and djib is the only other player, who's sale can actually fund another big transfer.

but even if he goes and a winger or 2 come in, not forgetting the much needed CB, what will we have going forward? crouch and nando? hardly inspiring thinking back to having baros, cisse and nando just a few months ago.

i know rafa is making a system and a new way of playing but i just dread to think if cisse was playing in 4-5-1 or 4-4-2 we would have scored some goals. if the simple service is there for him, he will score. im so depressed with all this. it's almost like SG: "im leaving". not as bad. but depresses me still.
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Re: Cisse alone up front
« Reply #39 on: October 6, 2005, 02:48:49 PM »
This Cisse thing really is baffling me.

We know the kid can score goals , Rafa knows it ... tickle me twice and call me tracy but doesnt the whole fucking world know that Cisse can score goals?

Having managed so poorly infront of goal this season (Ok it's only 6 games but work with me here) surely he can't do any worse than Flo or Crouch?

Summat aint right here thats for sure, keeping Cisse on the bench like this is akin to going to bed with Angelina Jolie (sorry ladies except Saph) to read the National Geographic.



lol and it does baffle me too. 
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