Topic: Cisse Yesterday...

[StevieMagic]

So if Rafa comes a knocking this January or even next summer for another 10m plus for a striker what response should he get? We have gone through some expensive strikers in the past 4 - 5 years with the likes of Fowler, Heskey, Anelka, EHD, Owen, Morientes, Litty, Baros, Crouch, Cisse all appearing for us....jesus its a whos who ......and for various reasons,  Rafa may soon be thumbing through his list of options again.

I really hope our current strikers will do the biz and if given time I believe they will as I really cannot understand how we could have the above on our books over the past 4 years or so and not currently have a couple of gems banging them in.

[driftinwest]

Right now I think its unfair to judge Cisse, he's barely back from a career threatening injury, and has yet to have a decent run in the team. Give him the chance Baros had then judge him.  To expect him to come off the bench and turn the game with just over 10 Min's left to a game that already had the patten of play set is totally unreasonable he was left on his own to run the front line with no support thus making him look out of his Dept.  Yesterdays game looked like it played with two teams over cautious after a hard midweek away in Europe.  4 league games into a season and some of you are assassinating players already apart from Sunderland we have had difficult games so far so give the team and players a chance just look across Stanley park they have real reason to complain. (thank fuck)

[matty c]

most strikers will say they need some sought of service so as long as we have Garcia running in to opposition players and risse shooting instead of passing, goals are more likely to come from midfield WHEN THEY COME simply cuss Gerrard's the only 1 that can get in the box with the ball still at his feat while the rest of our midfielders bar Alonso will go for glory and prob send the ball into the back row, it doesn't matter who we have upfront if they don't get the service they don't score the goals.

[Alonso_The_Assassin]

I think Cisse will start this week along side Crouch. Garcia needs a rest, so Pongy will play down the right.

He's not gonna score goals off the bench, so if he gets an opportunity this weeked, he must take it.

[LiamG]

I hope so !!

[sunny_LFC]

so many of you are talking about proving the manager of his worth but then didn't he already do that in the super cup final? and that was another occasion where he was brought on as a sub.

i can't believe some liverpool fans. i was never a particular cisse fan before he came or even at the start of his career here but the way he is being treated by some is ridiculous. he has barely been given a chance and the same was true on sunday.

our passing was poor and retention the same at times, garcia (a player im a fan of) was pretty poor and on too many occasions a liablility in this game, against this opponent. why was djibril not brought on in his place? we know he can take the right wing if needed. what was the point in playing cisse for 10 minutes?

i have never questioned rafa's tactics (not even with kewell starting v milan ) but he did dissapoint me on sunday in that this was our game at anfield, our game v the mancs and we couldn't manage a 4-4-2, not even give rafas chosen striker a chance with another front man, a man who could take on the right side if vital in the game. could he have done much worse than garcia's general play? (minus luis's couple of chances)

if rafa really does not want djibril why not make this clear and get rid in the summer? why sell baros for a quite measly sum. lyon are sure to be interested in cisse and we could have used those funds on other important positions.

im still concerned about whether nando will settle, how rafa will play him and although i think pongolle will be a very key player for us, i want cisse to be given a chance. i don't think he has been given anything like the opportunity he deserves. he was a sub for the super cup and won it for us. he won us the uefa super cup so give the guy a bloomin chance.

IM ONE REDS FANS THAT WILL BE HIGHLY DISAPPOINTED IF THE DJIB LEAVES IN JAN!

   

[sunny_LFC]

Put Cisse and Crouch up together, Then we will see goals, Just go back to Cisse's pre-season form, most people forgotten that Cisse scored 6 goals in or champions league qualifiers.
If i was Cisse id be god damn frustrated aswell.

agreed. i thought and think crouch and cisse could have something together. we at least need to give it a try, if not against the likes of man u at least against lesser opposition. fingers crossed for the weekend...!

[The Red artist.]

agreed. i thought and think crouch and cisse could have something together. we at least need to give it a try, if not against the likes of man u at least against lesser opposition. fingers crossed for the weekend...!

Djib needs a vote of confidence from Rafa,he and Crouch i think can form a good partnership,but they must be given games to show it.He pisses me off wi his attitude,but if he's playin he'll score and you'll see a different attitude.He must be so frustrated right now,i know i am.

                                     Y.N.W.A................J.F.T.96.

[randomize]

Goals? He just smashes the ball and hopes for the best
Come on, the Super cup were both fortunate goals. I wouldn't exactly call him deadly!

You have to be there to score them fortunate or not.You never answered my earlier question regarding Stevie but seeing as your screen name is Superste I'm guessing you wouldn't say a bad thing about him even though he whinges just as much if not more then Cisse.

[carven]

For me, the difference between "Whiner Stevie" and " Complain-like-Sissy Cisse " is that Gerrard actually whines when/after the BALL HAS GONE OUT OF PLAY whereas Cisse stopped dead in his tracks to complain to the ref while he could have helped the team to win a corner or sorts.

I think all of Cisse's moaning is quite insignificant if you compare it on separate occasions. For me, it was yesterday's incident that finally broke the/some of the camel's back.

Yes, i agree with some people here that Cisse deserves a chance and yes, he does have the right to be A LITTLE frustrated. But surely not at the expense of the team ? You wanna complain to the ref ? hey, go break a leg (  no pun intended...really ) doing so but leave the chances of screwing the team out of it.

And for the record, I'm not anti-Cisse or any LFC player for that matter. I'm a LFC fan and will support every player wearing the sacred red shirt. It just hurts and frustrates me to see that players who are paid millions does not put in enough effort for the team.

[cornelius]

For me, the difference between "Whiner Stevie" and " Complain-like-Sissy Cisse " is that Gerrard actually whines when/after the BALL HAS GONE OUT OF PLAY whereas Cisse stopped dead in his tracks to complain to the ref while he could have helped the team to win a corner or sorts.

To be fair Cisse has shown a much better attitude towards playing for LFC in the last 12 months than Steven Gerrard.

And some of Stevie's handling of other players on the pitch has had a visible effect on their confidence (Biscan being a prime example). Inspirational captain? Probably. Leader? My arse.

[AdamS]

As Aldo put it, he needs to start catching pidgeons. He's perceived to be lazy and he needs to do something about that.

Luis had a poor game, but you can't fault his effort.

[the good half]

As Aldo put it, he needs to start catching pidgeons. He's perceived to be lazy and he needs to do something about that.

Luis had a poor game, but you can't fault his effort.

You wouldn't doubt MY effort either if I played.
I loathe that argument. It's baseless. The same as missing a sitter, and praising the 'thought that counts'. Sorry mate.

[azer]

To be fair Cisse has shown a much better attitude towards playing for LFC in the last 12 months than Steven Gerrard.

And some of Stevie's handling of other players on the pitch has had a visible effect on their confidence (Biscan being a prime example). Inspirational captain? Probably. Leader? My arse.

gerrard does it where it matters. Cisse has looked out of sorts on the pitch.
Leader my arse??? get real, did you even watch the CL final. maybe if gerrard got married in a red suit you would think differently.

As Aldo put it, he needs to start catching pidgeons. He's perceived to be lazy and he needs to do something about that.

Luis had a poor game, but you can't fault his effort.

Thats spot on. What ever about Garcia giving the ball away at least he is always trying.

[Red-juvenated]

Cisse needs to relax a little and show a lot mre team spirit, especially when a pass is not exactly what he wanted. He's too wound up in games and is desperate to get goals. I think he will make a good pairing with Nando, would like to see them for the B'ham game.

[cornelius]

gerrard does it where it matters. Cisse has looked out of sorts on the pitch.
Leader my arse??? get real, did you even watch the CL final. maybe if gerrard got married in a red suit you would think differently.

Don't be a prick all your life Azer. Why don't you have a day off fella? I said he was an inspirational captain or can't you read.

But you can certainly call into question his leadership qualities on the evidence of the last 18 months.

[azer]

Cisse needs to relax a little and show a lot mre team spirit, especially when a pass is not exactly what he wanted. He's too wound up in games and is desperate to get goals. I think he will make a good pairing with Nando, would like to see them for the B'ham game.

thats a pretty good point as well, he seems to dive into games. Forgeting he has a brain. if nando had cisse's pace.....

[Johnnyboy1973]

gerrard does it where it matters. Cisse has looked out of sorts on the pitch.
Leader my arse??? get real, did you even watch the CL final. maybe if gerrard got married in a red suit you would think differently.

I would think differently if he had not said he is leaving Liverpool.

[randomize]

gerrard does it where it matters. Cisse has looked out of sorts on the pitch.
Leader my arse??? get real, did you even watch the CL final. maybe if gerrard got married in a red suit you would think differently.

Thats spot on. What ever about Garcia giving the ball away at least he is always trying.

So what you're saying is it's alright to sook and moan as long as they deliver. That's fine untill you relise Cisse hasn't had a chance to deliver so there goes that argument.

I could try too,doesn't make me a great player.

[the good half]

What is this about 'at least he's trying'? Fat blokes in the pub could TRY.

Beardsly tried AND didn't give the ball away ALL THE TIME.

Time for more happy pills I think for me.

[azer]

So what you're saying is it's alright to sook and moan as long as they deliver. That's fine untill you relise Cisse hasn't had a chance to deliver so there goes that argument.

I could try too,doesn't make me a great player.

Cisse has had a chance, be it 15 mins or 45 but he just mopes around. When he gets the ball he doesnt know what to do with it unless he is within shooting distance and will then have a pop.

If you were a tryer then im sure you would put more of an effort in given 15 mins than cisse did and has done.

when will people accept the fact that he just isnt a  good player. Rafa knows it, Otherwise he would be playing him. He has to develop more to his game than being a powerful shoot on sight man. Remember those goals he scored were against very poor opposition. His finishing in the super cup was nothing more than fortunate and im sure given the fact you are a tryer you would have made better attempts than him.

[myrlas]

Cisse has had a chance, be it 15 mins or 45 but he just mopes around. When he gets the ball he doesnt know what to do with it unless he is within shooting distance and will then have a pop.

A legend said something in the lines of: "If you don't know what to do with the ball, put it in the net, then we'll discuss the options afterwards"

To actually criticise a striker for having a go at goal is plain stupid. And you know it. That is perhaps the main ability for a striker. Having a go...and hit the target.

To even spend so much time trying to make something out of Cisse's 10 minutes against the mancs is pretty offside as well if you ask me. You can have any opinion you'd like, but to judge a player BEFORE he's been given a chance to show his true self (on the one scene you guys seems to accept, which is PL) is kind of funny really. The real thing was that he had barely 2-3 involvements...where one of them was bad judgement, the other was a fine lay-off, and the third was a header that he won against Silvestre if I remember correctly. Apart from that...invisible as the lone striker in a team that settles for a draw.

What the fuck about Traore's appearance. Abysmal if you ask me. Did you see his face when he mishit that pass? Tragic!

FFS!!!

If you want a striker to chase pigeons...so be it. I actually want a striker who scores goals, and helps the team to win.

[the good half]

Agree.
That's why Garcia should get the flick. He gets the full 90.

[Dick Emery]

When Cisse does something that warrants a place in the team then people can moan about his non-inclusion. At the moment he has done absolutely nothing. Maybe this is due to a lack of chances offered to him in the side. Maybe, given more of a chance, he'd produce something. Who knows?

He doesn't help his cause by acting like a sulking, teenage schoolgirl when he's on the pitch. It isn't acceptable and it isn't clever. It's hard to feel sympathy for a multi-millionaire primadonna with a cob on who's letting the fans down something rotten by his lack of performances. He should act like a grown up and do his job properly, the overly-pampered idiot. "My manager doesn't like me" Ahhh, didums, you poor little lad.

[Johnnyboy1973]

When Cisse does something that warrants a place in the team then people can moan about his non-inclusion. At the moment he has done absolutely nothing. Maybe this is due to a lack of chances offered to him in the side. Maybe, given more of a chance, he'd produce something. Who knows?

He doesn't help his cause by acting like a sulking, teenage schoolgirl when he's on the pitch. It isn't acceptable and it isn't clever. It's hard to feel sympathy for a multi-millionaire primadonna with a cob on who's letting the fans down something rotten by his lack of performances. He should act like a grown up and do his job properly, the overly-pampered idiot. "My manager doesn't like me" Ahhh, didums, you poor little lad.

This is based on what?

Fuck me, I would not mind if you had seen enough of him this season to actually form an opinion.

But, clearly you must be basing this on his fifteen minutes on Sunday. Oh well, fair enough.

He might be letting you down, but he aint letting me down, so dont include me as one of these so called "fans" and certainly not the set who are so narrow minded to have made a decision one way or the other upon the limited amount of playing time he has had.

Overly pampered? Should take a look at our captain. All Djibs has ever said is that he wants to play for LFC, unlike others.

Clearly you have your favourites - you sound like Rafa in disguise.

[a partridge in seat_5c]

Fiver says he gets Kuyt - another target man from what I have read.

on a serious note for a change, Kuyt IN and Cissé OUT is exactly what I expect Rafa has in mind...I guess Kuyt will be cup-tied for a bit or in all likelihood will even stay in Holland till next summer (World Cup and all that)...

but come next summer, assuming we can junk Cissé and have the funds for Kuyt ie. he's not top scorer at the World Cup, then I think we'll be in for him big time...

[Johnnyboy1973]

on a serious note for a change, Kuyt IN and Cissé OUT is exactly what I expect Rafa has in mind...I guess Kuyt will be cup-tied for a bit or in all likelihood will even stay in Holland till next summer (World Cup and all that)...

but come next summer, assuming we can junk Cissé and have the funds for Kuyt ie. he's not top scorer at the World Cup, then I think we'll be in for him big time...

To be honest, I wasn't really joking. Dont know if it would be Kuyt or not - but it will someone of that mould.

For me Cisse's gone.

Rumour has it for Lyon in Jan for 12 million.

Watched the mods jumped on that one, so read quick.

[cornelius]

on a serious note for a change, Kuyt IN and Cissé OUT is exactly what I expect Rafa has in mind...I guess Kuyt will be cup-tied for a bit or in all likelihood will even stay in Holland till next summer (World Cup and all that)...

but come next summer, assuming we can junk Cissé and have the funds for Kuyt ie. he's not top scorer at the World Cup, then I think we'll be in for him big time...

What so we offload one expensive player and splash out a big wedge on someone else who is unproven in the premiership?

I don't know enough about this lad so you'll have to enlighten me but I understand he's also a bit of a target man. If so we would then have Crouch, Morientes and Kuyt with nobody offering us anything different up front.

[Johnnyboy1973]

What so we offload one expensive player and splash out a big wedge on someone else who is unproven in the premiership?

I don't know enough about this lad so you'll have to enlighten me but I understand he's also a bit of a target man. If so we would then have Crouch, Morientes and Kuyt with nobody offering us anything different up front.

But, when you play one up front how much of a difference do you need?

Think he needs to look at the midfielders more and get more options there as that system dictates it.

On a side note, how gutted do you think Rafa was that Heskey had gone before he had arrived?

[a partridge in seat_5c]

point taken Vladilad but Kuyt is supposed to have some pace about him as well, which would make him very suitable for the lone striker role...if he can put himself about, is fairly nippy AND can score goals, sorted

like you say, unproven though, but then so was Xabi Alonso...

[Johnnyboy1973]

point taken Vladilad but Kuyt is supposed to have some pace about him as well, which would make him very suitable for the lone striker role...if he can put himself about, is fairly nippy AND can score goals, sorted

like you say, unproven though, but then so was Xabi Alonso...

and Josemi

[azer]

isnt it amazing that players like alonso and sissoko can be hailed after a few games.
Yet when cisse has had the same amount of games this time last year then people were still saying he needs time. IMO you either adopt to the PL or ya dont.

[Johnnyboy1973]

isnt it amazing that players like alonso and sissoko can be hailed after a few games.
Yet when cisse has had the same amount of games this time last year then people were still saying he needs time. IMO you either adopt to the PL or ya dont.

Henry.

[cornelius]

But, when you play one up front how much of a difference do you need?

Think he needs to look at the midfielders more and get more options there as that system dictates it.

On a side note, how gutted do you think Rafa was that Heskey had gone before he had arrived?

point taken Vladilad but Kuyt is supposed to have some pace about him as well, which would make him very suitable for the lone striker role...if he can put himself about, is fairly nippy AND can score goals, sorted

like you say, unproven though, but then so was Xabi Alonso...

So that's it then we're going down the route of 1 man up front and there'll be no alternatives?

I sincerely hope not. This may have yeilded results for Valencia but unless it does the same here we're going to see a lot of frustrated supporters, me included. I'm starting to see why many Valencia fans were reportedly tearing their hair out with Benitez before he finally landed their first title in 30 years!!!

Just to clarify seat I mention Kuyt being unproven because a lot of people on here have criticised those who mention Cisse's record in France and you could argue that the dutch league is no better than the french league.

[Dick Emery]

This is based on what?

Fuck me, I would not mind if you had seen enough of him this season to actually form an opinion.

But, clearly you must be basing this on his fifteen minutes on Sunday. Oh well, fair enough.

He might be letting you down, but he aint letting me down, so dont include me as one of these so called "fans" and certainly not the set who are so narrow minded to have made a decision one way or the other upon the limited amount of playing time he has had.

Overly pampered? Should take a look at our captain. All Djibs has ever said is that he wants to play for LFC, unlike others.

Clearly you have your favourites - you sound like Rafa in disguise.

The question is not whether I have favourites but why you do. Why on earth are you his biggest fan? He's done fuck all. At least Gerrard has done a bit. Cisse has done absolutely nothing and you are kissing his arse.

Thanks for the Rafa comparison. A bloke who's won the Spanish League, the Uefa Cup and the Champions League. Nice one.

[myrlas]

isnt it amazing that players like alonso and sissoko can be hailed after a few games.
Yet when cisse has had the same amount of games this time last year then people were still saying he needs time. IMO you either adopt to the PL or ya dont.

I suppose you were on Cisse's back after his debut goal at WHL last season? I mean the signs must have been there already then. Not knowing what to do with the ball...one-dimentional and all the other stuff..

Auuugh!!! I can't see it..i really can't see it! Help me!! Heeeelp meeeee!

PS! Saviours don't normally last long at this club...so don't hold your hopes too high. Before you know it people like yourself have torn apart Alonsos and Sissoko's way of playing, and all of a sudden they have become a burden, and we let our expectations pass on to a new player we're either linked with...or even an injured one.

[Johnnyboy1973]

So that's it then we're going down the route of 1 man up front and there'll be no alternatives?

I sincerely hope not. This may have yeilded results for Valencia but unless it does the same here we're going to see a lot of frustrated supporters, me included. I'm starting to see why many Valencia fans were reportedly tearing their hair out with Benitez before he finally landed their first title in 30 years!!!

Dunno mate, just my opinion. But, yeah I think it will be one up generally. Might change it every now and then but for me, that is his system. Must be, we play it when we dont even have wingers to utilise it properly.

But, as Valencia fans found out, it works with the correct personel.

Anyone know where we can get an Aimar?

[-HH-]

I don't know enough about this lad so you'll have to enlighten me but I understand he's also a bit of a target man. If so we would then have Crouch, Morientes and Kuyt with nobody offering us anything different up front.

Aye, I'll be peed off if we sell Cisse and buy another target man. One of my real plusses from Rafa's reign thus far was that I'd always argued the need for variety from our strikers, where what we had was a lot of pace and not a lot else under Ged. If we got rid of Cisse and replaced him with a target man, Pongo would be our only pacey striker. I don't see us playing 4-5-1 all the time, and feel that 4-4-2 will be used a lot in our home games against lesser opposition. I don't like the idea of pairing any 2 of Morientes, Crouch and *insert name of target man* so if we are to sell Cisse, he needs to be replaced with a striker with a fair bit of pace - maybe a bit less head down than Cisse or Baros can be at times - a bit more guile in order to fit in with Rafa's thinking. Dare I say Andy Cole type in his prime - pace, goals and used to link up play reasonably well when at his best.

[cornelius]

On a side note, how gutted do you think Rafa was that Heskey had gone before he had arrived?

It's a good question and one I'd rather not think about. In fact it makes my head hurt thinking about Heskey and various connatations.

[a partridge in seat_5c]

I thought you said Kuyt was pretty quick Mark?

I've not seen him so not a clue...